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From: Digestifier <Linux-Misc-Request@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu>
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To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Reply-To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Date: Thu, 8 Sep 94 00:13:19 EDT
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Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #723
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Linux-Misc Digest #723, Volume #2 Thu, 8 Sep 94 00:13:19 EDT
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Contents:
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Re: ATI Mach64 Alpha driver Arrived:!!!!!! (Harald Milz)
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Re: Looking for Telnet Source (Harald Milz)
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Re: Send me your xFree86 benchmarks (Harald Milz)
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TIA - Makes Slip From Reg SHell (Segal Gad)
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Re: Linux is a GNU system and the DWARF support (Dances With Geeks)
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CD Installation HELP !!! (Aditya Mishra)
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Re: [INFO WANTED] C/SLIP vs. PPP (Richard Lindner)
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Re: Needed: Details on working UPS/Deamon shutdown systems. (John Lellis)
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Re: Linux is a GNU system and the DWARF support (Joe Buck)
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Re: Linux BBS Software (Aris Stathakis)
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Re: 486dx4 vs Pentium 60 (Peter Hahn)
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Needed: Details on working UPS/Deamon shutdown systems. (John Antram)
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Re: OS/2 vs. Unix Which one is better and why??? (Darin Johnson)
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Setting up term for everyone on system. (C.W. Southern)
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From: hm@ix.de (Harald Milz)
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Subject: Re: ATI Mach64 Alpha driver Arrived:!!!!!!
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Reply-To: hm@ix.de
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Date: Wed, 7 Sep 1994 17:05:26 GMT
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In comp.os.linux.misc, U62323@uicvm.uic.edu wrote:
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> I found Alpha driver from MIT on sunsite.unc.edu in directory
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> /pub/Linux/X11/X-servers, file name is XF_SVGA_Mach64.tar.gz
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> Make sure you read Readme file after un-taring the file.
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> I have it nd it works with no problems.
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Oh, I just read the lsm entry. Seems it does not do what everyone
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would expect:
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Title = XFree86 SVGA driver for ATI Mach64 Graphics Cards
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Version = 0.00 (Alpha version)
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Desc1 = Mods to the standard ATI driver to support the Mach64. This
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Desc2 = is _not_ an accelerated X server. It is _not_ tested except
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Desc3 = that I am using it right now.
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Desc4 =
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Desc5 =
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Author = William Shubert
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AuthorEmail = wms@ssd.intel.com
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3:-O
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--
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The human race has one really effective weapon, and that is laughter.
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-- Mark Twain
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--
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Harald Milz (hm@ix.de) WWW: http://www.ix.de/editors/hm.html
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iX Multiuser Multitasking Magazine phone +49 (511) 53 52-377
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Helstorfer Str. 7, D-30625 Hannover fax +49 (511) 53 52-378
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Opinions stated herein are my own, not necessarily my employer's.
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d herein are my own, not necessarily my employer's.
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From: hm@ix.de (Harald Milz)
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Subject: Re: Looking for Telnet Source
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Reply-To: hm@ix.de
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Date: Wed, 7 Sep 1994 17:11:34 GMT
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In comp.os.linux.misc, Jason Rimmer (jrimmer@netcom.com) wrote:
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> I've looked through most of Sunsite, and I can't fin the source
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> for Linux Telnet anywhere! Any clue where this beast lies?
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It's somewhere in the rest you didn't check:
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/pub/Linux/system/Network/sunacm/NetKit-B-0.02/telnet.tar.gz
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In 1914, the first crossword puzzle was printed in a newspaper. The
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creator received $4000 down ... and $3000 across.
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--
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Harald Milz (hm@ix.de) WWW: http://www.ix.de/editors/hm.html
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iX Multiuser Multitasking Magazine phone +49 (511) 53 52-377
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Helstorfer Str. 7, D-30625 Hannover fax +49 (511) 53 52-378
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Opinions stated herein are my own, not necessarily my employer's.
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Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.i386unix
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From: hm@ix.de (Harald Milz)
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Subject: Re: Send me your xFree86 benchmarks
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Reply-To: hm@ix.de
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Date: Wed, 7 Sep 1994 17:14:17 GMT
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In comp.os.linux.misc, Derrik Walker II (dwalker@omega.csuohio.edu) wrote:
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> Since I could not Find a master list of video cards/chip sets, I would
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> like everyone who has done so to send me the following infromation:
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> 1. the make of your video card
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> 2. the model of your video card
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> 3. the chip set of your video card.
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> 4. the Bus type of the card.
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> 5. your CPU type and speed (ie 384dx-40, or 486dlc-33)
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> 6. and obviously the xfree86 bench mark.
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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What's that?
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--
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Anybody with money to burn will easily find someone to tend the fire.
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--
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Harald Milz (hm@ix.de) WWW: http://www.ix.de/editors/hm.html
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iX Multiuser Multitasking Magazine phone +49 (511) 53 52-377
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Helstorfer Str. 7, D-30625 Hannover fax +49 (511) 53 52-378
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Opinions stated herein are my own, not necessarily my employer's.
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ssarily my employer's.
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From: s2447847@techst02.technion.ac.il (Segal Gad )
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Subject: TIA - Makes Slip From Reg SHell
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Date: Wed, 7 Sep 1994 19:43:18 GMT
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hi guyz.
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yes its true this tia makes a SLIP connection from a regular unix shell.
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its outrageous. but doesnt have real SLIP posib.
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1) your address doesnt change. :(
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2) noone can ftp/telnet to you.
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well. the rest is regular. and for muy opiniun better then term cause you dont need special term progs for it liek irc for term. u just take a client you like
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..
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well thats :)
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PS> almost forgot. to get it gopher to marketplace.ocm
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this damn VI! marketplace.com
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and go to the first section. about TIA.
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:) thats it.
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follow on from there.
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From: lilo@slip-14-1.ots.utexas.edu (Dances With Geeks)
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Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
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Subject: Re: Linux is a GNU system and the DWARF support
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Date: 7 Sep 1994 19:54:51 GMT
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On 5 Sep 1994 22:04:13 GMT, H.J. Lu (hjl@nynexst.com) wrote:
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> Today after I talked with RMS on the phone, I learned that the GNU project
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> is preparing for a Linux/GNU distribution based on the Debian distribution,
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> which is due in a few weeks. I think noone should call GNU is a vaporware
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> now since the Linux/GNU system is running on x86. I was told if Linux had
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> came along be fore hurd was started Linux would have been used as the GNU
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> kernel. Now since hurd is well on the way, it should not be aborted. It looks
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> like porting Linux to other platforms may pick up some steams as well as the
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> work on the Linux kernel. I am glad to see it finnally happen.
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I don't want to rain on the parade, but I hope we do *not* start considering
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ourselves a GNU system. We use the GNU software, it's wonderful stuff, I
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like it, but we also use whatever fits in with the Linux philosophy, which
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is much more unconstrained and much less ideological than the GNU
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philosophy, IMO. There are licensing problems in the standard GNU approach,
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again IMO, involving the linkage of libraries into applications. I'm not
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saying the GNU approach is wrong, just that it's not as open as it might be.
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I'm glad to see that the Debian release is moving along--but not because I
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think Linux development should be subsumed into it. On the contrary, I
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think the strength of development for Linux is that there are a number of
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competing, independent threads which serve to strengthen the whole tapestry.
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I would hate to see that change, as it would inevitably do if we became part
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of a less-flexible structure.
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I very much appreciate the amount of work that has gone into GNU software,
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and the quality of that software. I use it all the time! But I don't think
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that recognition by FSF is the primary measure of the success of Linux.
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They are different things entirely.
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Mainstreaming support for Linux in GCC is another issue entirely, BTW....if
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Linux is used extensively in the community, it probably makes sense for both
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Linux people and GNU people for both groups to work closely together....
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Anyway, if my message isn't reasonably diplomatic, I better apologize in
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advance, I've had nine hours of sleep in two days and really need about
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twice that :) :)
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lilo
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From: mishra@cs.utexas.edu (Aditya Mishra)
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Subject: CD Installation HELP !!!
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Date: 7 Sep 1994 12:08:07 -0500
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This is for a DESPERATE friend! Please enlighten her....
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Subject: HELP!! "Read-only file system" message from Linux Installation
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I had posted this question before, but got no response. I hope someone
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will respond because I am stuck on my installation. I have already
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read all the latest linux FAQ files, but that problem was not addressed.
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I am trying to install slackware(v1.1.1) from cdrom.
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I partitioned my hard drive with the following configuration:
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/dev/hda1 205096(blocks) dos
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/dev/hda2 82152 linux native
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/dev/hda3 10584 linux swap
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/dev/hda4 112896 linux native
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I ran setup and followed the prompts, but the installation failed with the
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following messages:
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"Done formatting device /dev/hda2...
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Root partition mounted.
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/bin setup: cannot create /mnt/fstab: read-only file system".
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Question:
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How do I go about making my / filesystem read-write?
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I am running a 486D66 with 420M hard drive and Creative Soundblaster Card
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and CD-ROM drive.
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Thanks in advance.
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From: rjl@spectre.apana.org.au (Richard Lindner)
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Subject: Re: [INFO WANTED] C/SLIP vs. PPP
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Date: Wed, 7 Sep 1994 08:17:00 GMT
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Frederic POTTER (frederic@swing.ibp.fr) wrote:
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: In fact, it depends on the quality of you telephone line.
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: 1) Your line is a good one, so they are not numerous errors, SLIP is faster
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: because it doesn't contain any errors correction protocols as PPP does.
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: 2) Your line is poor and you are using SLIP, so the packet correction is made
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: via TCP/IP standards procedure, which is much slower than serial line dedicated PPP
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: error correction procedures
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aahh - but what if mnp4 or v42 is active? - would slip then be faster?
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enquiring minds are wondering .....
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--
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Richard Lindner - System Manager Upper Murray Public Access Unix
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rjl@spectre.apana.org.au PO Box 1555, Wodonga, Vic. 3689, Oz
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Data: 060 208773 Fax: 060 562105 Voice: 060 562072 (bh) 060 208813 (ah)
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From: lellis@dmccorp.com (John Lellis)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin
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Subject: Re: Needed: Details on working UPS/Deamon shutdown systems.
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Date: 7 Sep 1994 17:13:42 GMT
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John Antram (antram@newton.emba.uvm.edu) wrote:
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: Hello all, I am in need of details on working powerd/UPS etc systems
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: we are planning on having at least 2 machines up at all times, and I'd like
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: to have them shut down in a healthy way. Please E-mail if possible, if people
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: would like, I'll post a summery.
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There is a BUPS-HOWTO on sunsite describing how to do this with an APC UPS.
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--
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John Lellis (lellis@dmccorp.com)
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... Our continuing mission: To seek out knowledge of C, to explore
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strange UNIX commands, and to boldly code where no one has man page 4.
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From: jbuck@synopsys.com (Joe Buck)
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Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
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Subject: Re: Linux is a GNU system and the DWARF support
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Date: 8 Sep 1994 00:21:55 GMT
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lilo@slip-14-1.ots.utexas.edu (Dances With Geeks) writes:
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>There are licensing problems in the standard GNU approach,
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>again IMO, involving the linkage of libraries into applications. I'm not
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>saying the GNU approach is wrong, just that it's not as open as it might be.
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If there are licensing problems in the GNU approach, then Linux suffers
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from them. The kernel is under the GPL, the C library is under the LGPL,
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certain key files always linked in, like libgcc.a and crt0.S have special
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exceptions to avoid bringing whole applications under the GPL. These
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statements are true of both Linux and the future Hurd. There is no
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difference, Linux is using every single GNU licensing convention exactly
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as the FSF intended.
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The only difference I can see is attitude: the FSF people talk about
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software hoarders, grumble a lot but then adjust their licenses where
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needed (example: the stream classes in libg++ moved from the LGPL to the
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"as a special exception" no-restrictions license), and the Linux people
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are more relaxed about the whole thing. But legally, it's *exactly* the
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same: if you have problems with the GNU licensing approach you'll need
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to abandon Linux and join up with the BSD folks.
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--
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-- Joe Buck <jbuck@synopsys.com>
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Posting from but not speaking for Synopsys, Inc.
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***** Stamp out junk e-mail spamming! If someone sends you a junk e-mail
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***** ad just because you posted in comp.foo, boycott their company.
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From: aris@unisup1.mpd.co.za (Aris Stathakis)
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Subject: Re: Linux BBS Software
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Date: Wed, 07 Sep 1994 11:57:17 GMT
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>In article <33s4do$t8o@newshost.uni-koblenz.de>, Wayne Hodgen said something like:
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> The problem with all the BBS software out there is that it's all run on the
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> Internet news/mail services lines. A lot of people (me included) run FIDO
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> at home. I have Internet here at work but I can't afford it at home. I just
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> spent 4 days installing the latest Slackware, getting dail-ins working and
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> trying out 8 BBS packages, none of which I found satisfactory.
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> OK, you say, you don't like it, write your own. Well, I'm seriously
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> considering it. A student of ours has written a FIDO scanner/tosser. A FIDO
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> editor using ncurses and is working on a simple mailer (Binkley is a config
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> nightmare). Is anyone already working on a FIDO BBS for Linux? Does anyone
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> know if theres Free source examples of how to do such a thing? Who would
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> be interested in it?
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Try UniBoard. It isn't free, but it is cheap. He does have support for FIDO
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(in Beta). You can get it from ftp.wariat.org:/pub/uniboard.
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BTW, source ISN'T available. But it does work well and is very configurable :-)
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Aris
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--
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Aris Stathakis Tel: +27 11 887 1040 Snail Mail:
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SCO ACE / Novell CNE Fax: +27 11 887 5158 P.O. Box 781228
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M&PD (Pty) Ltd. Fax: +27 11 786 6647 Sandton, 2146
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E-Mail: aris@mpd.co.za Cell:+27 83 601 0206 R.S.A.
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From: Peter@tequila.oche.de (Peter Hahn)
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Subject: Re: 486dx4 vs Pentium 60
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Date: Wed, 7 Sep 1994 15:10:20 GMT
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danpop@cernapo.cern.ch (Dan Pop) writes:
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>In <1994Sep2.080346.24257@tequila.oche.de> Peter@tequila.oche.de (Peter Hahn) writes:
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>>zkessin@world.std.com (Zach) writes:
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>>>Hi i'm looking to get a system to run Linux but was wondering if
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>>>someone could advise me on weather I should get a 486dx4/100 or a
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>>>Pentium 60. The 2 systems I am looking at cost almost exactly the same
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>>>but the 486 has a 520 mb SCSI hd while the pentium has a 420 ide.
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>>>Any thoughts?
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>>
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>>Two arguments apperare in mind: First, a Pentium-60 benchmarks at 61 SpecInt,
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>>a dx4-100 at 52 -- can't remember floating point exactly, but the difference
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>>is tendencially even bigger. Second the memory interface of the Pentium is
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>>much better than the 486 one. It is 64 Bit wide and knows of write back
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>>cache.
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>> There are even more reasons, but this two would be sufficient for me.
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>You seem to ignore the fact that the performance of a Linux box does not
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>depend exclusively on the cpu speed. The hard disk performance is also
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>essential, and here the 486 box is at a clear advantage. The extra disk
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>space is a bonus, too.
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>So, it's not going to be an easy choice :-)
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Well, I didn't realise the SCSI vs. IDE tradeoff. There is not much of a
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difference, if you keep the builtin 520MB disk, as it is slower than the
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average IDE interface. But I admit the lack of upgrading to better backup
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devices and real fast disks.
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On the other hand SCSI isn't always fast: my 1542 performs maximum 2MB
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per second linear read/write with both disks.
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However, a Pentium board without builtin SCSI support is pretty seldom,
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though.
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Peter
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--
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Peter Hahn Peterstr. 26
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52062 Aachen Germany
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Peter@tequila.oche.de pch@pool.informatik.rwth-aachen.de
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Voice: +49 241 37151
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin
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From: antram@newton.emba.uvm.edu (John Antram)
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Subject: Needed: Details on working UPS/Deamon shutdown systems.
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Date: Wed, 7 Sep 1994 15:03:51 GMT
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Hello all, I am in need of details on working powerd/UPS etc systems
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we are planning on having at least 2 machines up at all times, and I'd like
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to have them shut down in a healthy way. Please E-mail if possible, if people
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would like, I'll post a summery.
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-John
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From: djohnson@elvis.ucsd.edu (Darin Johnson)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
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Subject: Re: OS/2 vs. Unix Which one is better and why???
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Date: 08 Sep 1994 01:36:16 GMT
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> In article <34ai1k$n12@solaris.cc.vt.edu>, <kenliu@vt.edu> wrote:
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> >Well maybe, but hey he
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> >can't run Microsoft Office, or use multimedia or even run the DOS apps
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> >required for engineering classes here.
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Required? What kind of repressive regime requires using DOS
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apps (that have been shown to cause insanity in lab inhabitants)?
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If they supply the computers, that is one thing; but if a valid
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alternative is found that should be allowed.
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> >What is it that he can "do" with a Linux machine that is
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> >really productive? Bob says that his friend does
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> >"all sorts of things" with his machine.
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The first thing to learn - write it down if you must - is that
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the meaning of productivity depends upon the person speaking.
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If you define productivity as being able to run certain DOS apps,
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you might also go and stat an even noisier flame war by claiming
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that Macs are unproductive.
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If the productivity in question is learning about computers
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and computer science, then your friends approach is much better
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than sticking to OS/2 and not asking needless questions.
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> >What I want to know is:
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> >1) Why do CS majors here use Unix? What is it that is so great about Unix
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> > that can't be done with OS/2? No flames on this one.
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Because it's common and programmer friendly. Of course, many
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places just have them as their main machines that anyone can use;
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but don't get upset if you do your assignments in DOS or something
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else (for programming, the TA should be able to get the source code
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and recompile it though). They can write their reports in whatever
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system they want. UNIX machines are available all over and in
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many varieties, and in modern times, is very affordable for the
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student.
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UNIX is what the real world in CS uses. CS people are NOT USERS!
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Being able to run DOS apps is almost useless (most that I know that
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care about apps would prefer macs anyway). UNIX machines are
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multi-user, very network friendly (can you use the school's OS/2
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machines from home, or across the country?). UNIX machines are up to
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state of the art in hardware and software (unless you consider
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software state of the art to mean flashy UI only). UNIX can support
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BIG systems - super computers run UNIX (what will you do when you need
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real horsepower for your engineering work and the P90 won't cut it?).
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It's not that CS people are in ivory towers, but they are actually
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building (or learning about) the systems that everyone else uses.
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Would you complain "what is so great about calculus for engineers?"
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MSDOS and Macs is completely out as far as educational CS goes.
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You just can't teach OS principles on machines with outdated
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OS's. Some places use VMS, others have doddering TOPS machines.
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Some try to teach under msdos, but probably aren't very effective.
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OS/2 is probably ok as an example of how to mess up a good idea.
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Start chopping down until you have 8, 4, or 2 megs and you'll
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start getting a better idea. Heck, I used to run with a productive
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Amiga system - multitasking - with only 1 meg (started with 512K
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but that limited graphics and buffer space). OS/2 is treated as
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a big joke by many who have to program in it.
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> >2) Isn't the lack of "killer" apps a good reason not to use Unix?
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This just shows an incredible bias. Personally, I've seen very
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little under DOS (except games) that I cared to run.
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"Killer" apps means different things depending upon what you want
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to do. If you like ray tracing, then SGI (unix) has the best
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killer apps. If you're a desktop publishing person, Apple probably
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has the best. If you do desktop video, then it's Amiga. If youbest. If you do desktop video, then it's Amiga. If you want
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CAD, it is probably msdos (I think).
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If you have a particular app that you need, and that drives your
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choice of computer - great! But don't complain because other
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people don't have the same needs you do.
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> >My reasoning is that he should just stick to learning about computers in a
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> >conventional way (reading mags and books and online literature, and taking
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> >classes) rather than wasting his time by fooling around with Unix.
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Why? You went to school to get an education, so don't get flustered
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if someone wants to get one instead of just sliding through. Will
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your resume read "did only the minimum necessary work for my degree"?
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Sheesh, if your friend takes up bagpipes, will you complain to him
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that this has nothing to do with his major, and that guitar is a
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better choice anyway?
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People who learn things the conventional (easy) way are the most
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annoying ones to CS people, since they end up with only a superficial
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knowledge without knowing this (or not caring). Besides, the current
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conventional ways to learn computers are designed for USERS or the
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mass market, and if you want to go beyond that, conventional ways
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fail. Heck, there aren't any decent programming magazines anymore,
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so that route is out (note that I said "decent"). As far as books,
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stores are full of "Blah for Dummies" and such.
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> >I know for a fact that you can't learn Unix (I mean learn it really well)just
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> >by fooling around with it. So what's the point?
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You can't learn ANYTHING well without fooling around with it!!
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You get only superficial knowledge. With computers, the most
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common symptom is the tendency to shove everything into the
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templates already learned - and the first time something doesn't
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fit into expectations (such as a new error message) that person
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doesn't know how to procede.
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Learning things only from a book is pitiful. (maybe you should watch
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some Fawlty Towers in this regard) Why do you think lab classes are
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usually required?
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I am really glad you are in engineering and not in education.
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--
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Darin Johnson
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djohnson@ucsd.edu
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"I wonder what's keeping Guybrush?"
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.admin
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From: cws9669@ultb.isc.rit.edu (C.W. Southern)
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Subject: Setting up term for everyone on system.
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Reply-To: cws9669@ultb.rit.edu ()
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Date: Wed, 7 Sep 1994 17:41:43 GMT
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I want to setup term on my Linux box so everyone on my system can
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use it. Right now I have it setup for me only. But I know that there
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is a way set it up so more then one user can share the socket to
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connect to the remote machine. Maybe run term as root... something
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like that? Can anyone help.
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chris.
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cws9669@rit.edu
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