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From: Digestifier <Linux-Misc-Request@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu>
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To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Reply-To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Date: Fri, 23 Sep 94 18:13:52 EDT
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Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #809
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Linux-Misc Digest #809, Volume #2 Fri, 23 Sep 94 18:13:52 EDT
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Contents:
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Re: More Memory = Slow Linux?? (Ian McCloghrie)
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Re: Do HP SCSI DAT drives work? (Michael Dreher)
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Licenced WordPerfect 5.1 runs only after the DEMO Version (Christian Kranz)
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Re: How to use a host as a router - READ THIS (Jay Ashworth)
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Re: which is better: Mitsumi or Panasonic CDROM? (David Barr)
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Re: P5-90 MHz beats SGI R4000-100MHz. (Ove Ewerlid)
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Re: Damn X-aware xterms!!! (Daniel Poirot)
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Re: More Memory = Slow Linux?? (Tom Barringer)
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Seeking modem advice, experiences (James H. Haynes)
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Errors writing to MSDOS Partition (Bernhard Kappler)
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Re: P5-90 MHz beats SGI R4000-100MHz. (Ian McCloghrie)
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AVI/QT programs? (Bob)
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Re: Don't use Linux or it's to academic! (Dan Newcombe)
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Re: Licenced WordPerfect 5.1 runs only after the DEMO Version (Mark A. Davis)
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From: ianm@qualcomm.com (Ian McCloghrie)
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Subject: Re: More Memory = Slow Linux??
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Date: 23 Sep 1994 10:10:14 -0700
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huw@isgtec.com (Huw Leonard) writes:
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>In article <ianm.780262652@miles> ianm@qualcomm.com (Ian McCloghrie) writes:
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>>only got 24 address lines on an ISA bus, so it's a pretty fundamental
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>>limitation. With PCI, EISA, or (presumably) MCA, you can get around
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>>this.
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>And, BTW, VL-bus. Other 32-bit OS deal with it by making the >16MB memory into
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>non-DMA cache space. Anyone know if that's what Linux does?
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Ummm... I believe that VLB does not provide its own DMA hardware,
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but uses that which is on the ISA bus instead. Thus it doesn't fix
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the > 16M problem.
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From what I've read on the net, Linux uses bounce buffers, DMAing into
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kernel space < 16M and then copying to the real location, > 16M if
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necessary.
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--
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____
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\bi/ Ian McCloghrie | FLUG: FurryMUCK Linux User's Group
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\/ email: ian@ucsd.edu | Card Carrying Member, UCSD Secret Islandia Club
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GCS (!)d-(--) p c++ l++(+++) u+ e- m+ s+/+ n+(-) h- f+ !g w+ t+ r y*
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The above represents my personal opinions and not necessarily those
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of my employer, Qualcomm Inc.
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From: michael@bbn.hp.com (Michael Dreher)
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Date: Wed, 21 Sep 1994 13:58:14 GMT
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Subject: Re: Do HP SCSI DAT drives work?
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Richard Giles (rgiles@fisonssurf.co.uk) wrote:
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: Anybody know if HP SCSI DAT drives work on Linux. We have an Adaptec SCSI
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: card which is already working with a 1 Gig. hard disc.
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My HP DAT drive works fine with linux and the NCR 53c810 hostadapter.
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: Also, can you have multiple backups on the 1 tape.
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It's possible, but you must use the nonrewinding device /dev/nrmt0 and find
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the right place on the tape 'by hand' (using 'mt fsf <n>'). I never tried
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it, but it should work. You can also try to use the add-mode of tar, but
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there is a good chance, that this doesn't work.
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cu, Michael
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From: kranz@sent3.uni-duisburg.de (Christian Kranz)
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Subject: Licenced WordPerfect 5.1 runs only after the DEMO Version
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Date: 23 Sep 1994 13:59:37 GMT
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Hello,
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I have installed a licenced version of WordPerfect 5.1 for SCO-Unix.
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After starting it i get the following error message:
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> xwp
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X Error of failed request: BadValue (integer parameter out of range for
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operation)
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Major opcode of failed request: 51 (X_SetFontPath)
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Minor opcode of failed request: 0
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Resource id in failed request: 0x4
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Serial number of failed request: 39
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Current serial number in output stream: 40
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If i run it after the DEMO version of WordPerfect it works fine.
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Any comments?
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Ch. Kranz (kranz@sent3.uni-duisburg.de)
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From: jra@zeus.IntNet.net (Jay Ashworth)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.admin,alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions
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Subject: Re: How to use a host as a router - READ THIS
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Date: 23 Sep 1994 15:53:03 -0400
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dwm@shell.portal.com (David - Morris) writes:
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>Re. why not 127.0.0.0 instead of 127.0.0.1 -- the destination address must
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>be a 'host' address and the host address can't be zero (0).
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True... but I think he was talking about the destination address, not the
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interface address... you can route either the loopback _net_, or the
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loopback _host_, with equal facility.
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Cheers,
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-- jra
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--
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Jay R. Ashworth High Technology Systems Comsulting Ashworth
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Designer Linux: The Choice of a GNU Generation & Associates
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ka1fjx/4
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jra@baylink.com "Hey! Do any of you guys know how to Madison?" 813 790 7592
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From: davidb@u.washington.edu (David Barr)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
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Subject: Re: which is better: Mitsumi or Panasonic CDROM?
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Date: 20 Sep 1994 16:04:13 GMT
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tranter@Software.Mitel.COM (Jeff Tranter) writes:
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>Apart from whether the hardware is better, currently under Linux the
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>kernel drivers for the Panasonic seem to be better than for
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>Mitsumi. The driver has been optimized for performance, up to 16
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>drives can be connected, PhotoCD is supported, and you can read the
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>digital data from audio CDs. It is also quite good at autoprobing for
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>the drive i/o address.
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Why can't the Mitsumi read digital data from audio CDs? Is this a
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limitation of the hardware, or the driver?
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David
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--
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/David Barr (206)685-8129 University of Washington /
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/Systems Programmer Medical Centers Information Systems/
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/davidb@u.washington.edu Seattle, Washington, USA /
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/ http://alfred1.u.washington.edu:8080/~davidb/ /
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From: ewerlid@frej.teknikum.uu.se (Ove Ewerlid)
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Subject: Re: P5-90 MHz beats SGI R4000-100MHz.
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Date: 23 Sep 1994 20:14:03 GMT
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> Oh yeah? What about SGIs superb graphics ? What about the fact that you
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> can put 256MB RAM in them (and it works! (have you ever seen a PC
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> with > 64MB?)) ?
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Yup! Got one in front of me - 128 Mb.
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> What about ECC checked memory ? What about a >200MB/sec bus ?
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Yup! Got one in front of me that does more than 200Mb/sec (64 bits wide)
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This is a vanilla P90 system!
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However, the disk throughput suck as I only have one IDE drive on an
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ISA bus. It is, however, not noticable due to the amount of DRAM available.
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From: poirot@hardy.jsc.nasa.gov (Daniel Poirot)
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Subject: Re: Damn X-aware xterms!!!
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Date: 22 Sep 1994 17:58:08 GMT
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In article <35ldh1$5jq@aurora.engr.LaTech.edu>,
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Alex Ramos <ramos@engr.latech.edu> wrote:
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>Yeah I know an xterm is "X-aware" by definition... but maybe someone
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>knows what I'm talking about: On slackware2.0 Linux, it's impossible
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>to paste between xterms, because whenever you click on one, it emulates
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>arrow keys instead of highlighting for pasting. How do I disable such
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>an annoying (argghh) "feature"?
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BIZZZT Sorry, wrong, thanks for playing...
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Actually, the problem is with /usr/bin/elvis. It thinks that you mean
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to move the point when you click...
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I removed the link from /usr/bin/vi to /usr/bin/elvis and linked
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it instead to /usr/bin/vim.
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--
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Daniel Poirot poirot@aio.jsc.nasa.gov
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NASA JSC "The mind is a terrible thing."
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ER3 tel: (713)483-8793
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Houston, TX 77058 fax: (713)483-3204
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From: tomb@bedford.progress.COM (Tom Barringer)
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Subject: Re: More Memory = Slow Linux??
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Date: 22 Sep 1994 20:09:48 GMT
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Reply-To: tomb@progress.com
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|> |> I keep seeing posts made by people who have added memory
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|> |> to their computers and subsequently experienced a drop in
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|> |> performance under Linux.
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|> |>
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|> |> I want to know if anyone knows *why* this happens. Please post
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|> |> any replies to this newsgroup, since I believe others would also
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|> |> be interested in hearing the answers. If you cannot post for
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|> |> whatever reason, e-mail me (I will forward to the newsgroup if
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|> |> you like).
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|>
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|> OK. here is the scoop:
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|>
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|> Most PC motherboards have really cheesy cache setups. The cache works
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|> fine as long as you don't put too much RAM in. When you get too much
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|> RAM, the cache does not work on the upper part, so on a 16 Meg system,
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|> you may only have caching on the lower 8 Meg. If your cache RAM is 15ns
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|> and your DRAM is 70ns, and your cache hit rate is 90% for the lower 8 Meg
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|> and 0% for the upper 8 Meg, then your AVERAGE time for memory access is:
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|>
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|> lower 8 Meg: .10 * 70 + .9 * 15 = 20.5 ns
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|> upper 8 Meg: 1.0 * 70 + 0.0* 15 = 70 ns
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|> overall: 45.25 ns
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|>
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|> So, by adding the upper 8 Meg, you have more than doubled the AVERAGE time
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|> to access memory. The cache makes a big difference.
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|>
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|> The fix: upgrade your cache to 256K. Don't forget to upgrade the
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|> cache tag RAM as well, or you will still get no benefit from the
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|> additional cache. Some motherboards are so cheesy that it is
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|> impossible to cache the whole address space, even with the maximum
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|> cache RAM.
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To add the final nail to the coffin:
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Since the cacheing works from 0000 up, and DOS conventional memory
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is all in the lowest area, you don't ordinarily see the slowdown.
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It's only when you're USING that higher memory that the lack of cacheing
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gets you... like a UNIX-type OS does. If you use that new-and-uncached
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memory in Windows you'll see it slow down too, when your system resources
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start getting used up that high. (But even uncached it still looks faster
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than it used to with 8M because you are using real memory
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for the 8-16M area instead of disk swap space. Changing the cacheing
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appropriately results in a _further_ speedup over just installing the
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extra memory.)
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The point being, DOS and Windows don't use that memory often or well --
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which is why they don't get the same benefit from it that Linux does.
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--
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Tom Barringer : Progress Software Corp. : The Tall Conspiracy is looking
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QA Development : 14 Oak Park : for members. Please see the
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tomb@progress.com : Bedford, MA 01730 : recruitment flyer posted on
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GEnie: T.Barringer : #include <std/disclaim.i> : the top of your refrigerator.
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HREF="ftp://ftp.progress.com/tomb/tomb.html"
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From: haynes@cats.ucsc.edu (James H. Haynes)
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Subject: Seeking modem advice, experiences
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Date: 22 Sep 1994 17:59:14 GMT
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Last night I noticed there are internal 14.4K modems selling as low as $75,
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and 28.8K modems selling as low as $120. And a bewildering variety of
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modems selling at a variety of prices. Can we collect some data on which
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ones do or don't work well with Linux?
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--
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haynes@cats.ucsc.edu
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"Ya can talk all ya wanna, but it's dif'rent than it was!"
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"No it aint! But ya gotta know the territory!"
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Meredith Willson: "The Music Man"
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From: bkappler@gris.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de (Bernhard Kappler)
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Subject: Errors writing to MSDOS Partition
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Date: 20 Sep 94 07:43:37 GMT
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Hello,
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I'm running Linux on a 386-33Mhz with 8 MB memory. I've an Adaptec
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1542 SCSI Board and a 80MB Disk from SeaGate and a 660MB Disk from HP.
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Linux works fine with the ext2 filesystem. Only writing on a msdos
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partition almost ever leads to corrupt files. This happens only if
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I write a file on my msdos Partion on the harddisk. Floppies do fine.
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I found out that files get corrupted doing a "sync" or waiting until
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the buffer has been copied to disk.
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For example:
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cp file /msdos/file
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diff file /msdos/file
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no differences will be found until the buffer has been flushed
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to disk.
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Doing: cp file /msdos/file
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sync
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diff file /msdos/file
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will show up differences in over 90% of the tries!!!!
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My dos partition uses to second half of the HP disk (the upper cylinders).
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I think the disk has about 1400 Cylinders, put I actualy don't know.
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The partition was created using fdisk from linux and FAT 16 BIT as
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filesystem.
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I hope someone can help me to fix this problem!!!
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Bernhard Kappler bkappler@gris.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de
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From: ianm@qualcomm.com (Ian McCloghrie)
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Subject: Re: P5-90 MHz beats SGI R4000-100MHz.
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Date: 23 Sep 1994 10:17:33 -0700
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lera@zeus.chem.wvu.edu (Valery Petrov) writes:
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>the price difference (similarly equipped SGI is ~3 times more expensive)
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>I wonder who whould like to buy those Indigos nowdays.
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(in the future, please try to use lines < 70 characters long)
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The reason people buy Indigos (and SGIs in general) is not to have
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general CPU compute servers. The reason, quite simply, is graphics.
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(Yup, that's what the 'G' in SGI stands for). The amount of graphics
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rendering hardware one can get in an SGI is more than just about any
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other off-the-shelf workstation, certainly more than in a PC.
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Combine this with their GL 3-d graphics libraries, and you've got a
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system for doing really really nice graphics programming.
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--
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____
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\bi/ Ian McCloghrie | FLUG: FurryMUCK Linux User's Group
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\/ email: ian@ucsd.edu | Card Carrying Member, UCSD Secret Islandia Club
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GCS (!)d-(--) p c++ l++(+++) u+ e- m+ s+/+ n+(-) h- f+ !g w+ t+ r y*
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The above represents my personal opinions and not necessarily those
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of my employer, Qualcomm Inc.
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From: bob@xnet.com (Bob)
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Subject: AVI/QT programs?
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Date: 21 Sep 1994 22:01:40 GMT
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i read somewhere that there are AVI and Quicktime viewers for Xwindows. have
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any of them been ported to XFree? if so, where are they? if not, does anyone
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know where any of the non-ported programs are located?
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thanx,
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bob
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--
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Bob Hollinger <------------------------------------->
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4B Chaucer Ln. > \ bob@interaccess.com / < Disclaimer:
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Streamwood, IL 60107 > \/\/ bob@xnet.com \/\/ <
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708-483-9391 <------------------------------------->I don't know her!
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From: newcombe@aa.csc.peachnet.edu (Dan Newcombe)
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Subject: Re: Don't use Linux or it's to academic!
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Date: Fri, 23 Sep 1994 15:56:22 UNDEFINED
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In article <7PIWkunLQ994071yn@oslonett.no> serik@oslonett.no (Svein Erik Brostigen) writes:
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><Flam-bait follows!>
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Good...I'm hungry.
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>1. There is no support for the more sofisticated disk handlings like
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> RAID 5 or STRIPING.
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And I suppose there is under DOS? Hey...if you really need it, write a device
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driver for it.
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>2. There are no programs available that does Word-processing, spreadsheets,
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> databases, presentation graphics and so on, as we have under MS-DOS
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> and Windows.
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Hmmm....remind me when I get home to check and see what this Andrew Word
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Processors is that's taking up hard drive space, or sc, or ingres, or
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postgres, or SCO Oracle, or ...
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Yes, MS-Word doesn't run under Linux (yet), but there is more to life than
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Bill Gates.
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>3. There is currently no easy way to interconnect to LAN Server or Netware
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> natively, i.e. from Linux.
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This I am not sure about...but isn't there IPX support in the kernel? Or is
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it still rough? Plus, I think you can connect to a Netware server under
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DOSEMU.
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>4. There is no support for MCA-based machines.
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It's not my fault if you bought proprietary and bad hardware from IBM.
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Gee...I doubt there is a ReelMagic MCA card either...guess that means it sucks
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too.
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>5. There is no support for Token-Ring (some ALPHA code is floating around
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> on the Net, but....)
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There is also no support for light pens. Hey...if you want the support,
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write it or help contribute...but obviously Token Ring hasn't been in much
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demand. I guess this goes back to that buying IBM stuff again :)
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>6. Nationalized version of the few programs existing are not available.
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>7. Nationalized versions of Linux is not available.
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I think you said it best at the start of your message:
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"Norwegian is my first language, English my second"
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>8. Support for modern graphics accelerators like Mach64, Stealth64 etc,
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> is not scheduled until maybe next year.
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Yeah...so. They're scheduled aren't they. If you want them right away, call
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Diamond and ATI and bitch at them until the supply native drivers when the
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release the cards.
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>9. Printed manuals and easy 'Get started' manuals does not exist.
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Bull shit. That is a laugh.
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>10. Support for Mulit-media is shaky.
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Really...gee...video capture, cd-rom access (as that's what DOS dweebs usually
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think that multi-media means.), audio support. I can play quicktime movies
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under X more reliably than under Windoze.
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>11. Support for ISDN is not generally available.
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Don't know...don't care.
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>12. There is no disk-compression.
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So...call Stacker. Or go back to DOS, or buy a new hard drive. Actually,
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there is code (on sunsite) for either a compressed filesystem, or one that
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runs almost everything through a built-in-gzip. It may not be called
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DoubleSpace, but it does exist.
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>Personally, I think Linux is great and I'm runnig it on one of my disks,
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>but I also run MS-DOS and WfW 3.11 and OS/2 WARP2 BETA, OS/2 2.11, all
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>except WARP2 in native language.
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Okay...for the record: Linux is not DOS. If you want to do the same things
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you do under DOS, then friggin run DOS or Windows. I'm sorry that it doesn't
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support your native language...that must be a pain for you. At least you come
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from a county with a school system that teaches you other languages and isn't
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so self-centric to think there is nothing else :)
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>When I'm recommending some system to my customers it should be something
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>that has a proven record of durability, Netware and Lan Server both have
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>that when it comes to NOS'es. MS-DOS and OS/2 have it when it comes to
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>PC OS'es.
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>When it comes to TokenRing and MCA based machines, well IBM is the
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>biggest player in the computer world no matter what you people of the
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>.edu thinks!
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You've got to be kidding me...there are still people that believe the myth of
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"You never get fired for buying IBM". Damn...that's funny.
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>What amazes me, is that there are so few from the commercial world in
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>this fora, only from the academic world. Maybe I should take that as
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>a sign telling me that this is of purely academic interest at the
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>moment.
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Oh...so because I have an .edu I must be a stuffy professor. No. Lets see,
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there are
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.edu sites that give outside/guest access
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.edu sites that actually have employees working for them who know what they
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are talking about
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.edu sites that know what is current
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.edu sites that still think 1969 is current
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and so on.
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Please don't make sweeping generalizations.
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Dan Newcombe newcombe@aa.csc.peachnet.edu
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"And the man in the mirror has sad eyes." -Marillion
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From: mark@taylor.infi.net (Mark A. Davis)
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Subject: Re: Licenced WordPerfect 5.1 runs only after the DEMO Version
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Date: Fri, 23 Sep 1994 16:54:00 GMT
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kranz@sent3.uni-duisburg.de (Christian Kranz) writes:
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>Hello,
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>I have installed a licenced version of WordPerfect 5.1 for SCO-Unix.
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>After starting it i get the following error message:
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>> xwp
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>X Error of failed request: BadValue (integer parameter out of range for
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>operation)
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> Major opcode of failed request: 51 (X_SetFontPath)
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> Minor opcode of failed request: 0
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> Resource id in failed request: 0x4
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> Serial number of failed request: 39
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> Current serial number in output stream: 40
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>If i run it after the DEMO version of WordPerfect it works fine.
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>Any comments?
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Make sure your Xserver sees the wordperfect fonts! (Include the wordperfect
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fonts in your Xconfig file).
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| Mark A. Davis | Lake Taylor Hospital | Norfolk,VA (804)-461-5001x431 |
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| Director/SysAdmin | Information Systems | mark@taylor.infi.net |
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