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From: Digestifier <Linux-Misc-Request@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu>
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To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Reply-To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Date: Mon, 26 Sep 94 08:13:37 EDT
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Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #826
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Linux-Misc Digest #826, Volume #2 Mon, 26 Sep 94 08:13:37 EDT
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Contents:
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Linus' visit to Perth (Bill Hogan)
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Linux on Pentium P90 PCI---which motherboard? (Vaughan R. Pratt)
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Usenet groups via SLIP (Dan Halverson)
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Re: P5-90 MHz beats SGI R4000-100MHz. (William T. Whitehouse)
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setting up FTP anonymous (Anibal Jodorcovsky)
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Re: More Memory = Slow Linux?? (Florian Schmidt)
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TIA vs. TERM (Oz Dror)
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Re: News readers for SL/ip (Brian M Berry)
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Re: P5-90 MHz beats SGI R4000-100MHz. (Bill Broadley)
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CBC News Using Linux for Mail! (Ken Edwards)
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Setting up DOS. was: Don't use Linux or it's to academic! (Hallvard Paulsen)
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286 telnet P5 with Linux? (Lee Wai Han)
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ext2 QUESTIONS (Michael H. Price II)
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Re: Linux DOOM for X released (Herbert Xu)
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Re: Telnet & ftp freeze! (David T. Margrave)
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Re: Damn X-aware xterms!!! (S. O'Connor)
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Re: Damn X-aware xterms!!! (Baba Buehler)
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Re: Damn X-aware xterms!!! (Ernest Leuenberger)
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From: bhogan@crl.com (Bill Hogan)
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Subject: Linus' visit to Perth
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Date: 25 Sep 1994 22:11:40 -0700
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[ Article crossposted from aus.computers.linux,aus.auug ]
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[ Author was Patrick D'Cruze ]
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[ Posted on 22 Sep 1994 02:39:19 +0800 ]
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I thought I might post a brief summary of Linus' presentation at WAUG.
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I'd never attended a WAUG meeting before. I wasn't really sure about what
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they did and what happened in their meetings. So I didn't know what to
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expect.
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I got there about 15 minutes early. After obtaining a brochure on WAUG and
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AUUG I was pleasantly surprised to see free copies of the September issue
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of the Linux Journal. I believe that LJ sent over 200 copies of the issue
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to WAUG at very short notice - well done LJ. I didn't take a copy (I've
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already got the issue at home) but I think many people were quite interested
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in its contents - it was a real eye-opener for some.
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The meeting started at about 6pm and Linus stepped up after a short
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introduction and began his presentation. His presentation gave an
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introduction to Linux, to some of Linux's main features, a few of its
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internals, current developments, and future developments and the benefits
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of free software. I don't think there were quite as many questions as the
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SLUG meeting but there were nevertheless some significant questions asked.
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Two highlights during the presentation:
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a) someone asked if Linus could compare Linux and BSD4.4. This brought
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a huge response from the rest of us - I think we've all witnessed the
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massive flame wars that erupt whenever someone asks this question on
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Usenet. Linus diplomatically declined to comment claiming a certain
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degree of bias :)
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b) Linus was commenting upon how he still hasn't earned his bachelor (of
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computer science?) from the university yet. Its an interesting procedure
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though because Linus is allowed to teach a few courses at the university
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even though he hasn't formally studied the units at the university.
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However by teaching them he gets credits for those units towards his
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degree. I guess there's just no substitute for 'on the job experience'.
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After the meeting people chatted outside and helped themselves to the beef and
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bread carvery. There was a lot of people waiting to meet and talk with Linus
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and I'm glad I took the opportunity to do so. Linus is a very personable
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fellow and I certainly agree with Jamie Honan's sentiments when he stated
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that "you couldn't meet a nicer bloke".
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Linus now has a few days to enjoy WA's hospitality and I believe he's
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heading up to Monkey Mia on Thursday. He'll be giving a tutorial
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on Linux kernel internals on Saturday morning and then departs Australia
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on the Sunday for a week in Singapore. And then will end another leg of
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the Linus Torvalds World Tour. I would've volunteered to show Linus
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around our fair city in his remaining days here but I beleive he already
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has a number of tour guides to do that :)
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In closing and on behalf of many many people, I would like to thank WAUG
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and AUUG for bring Linus to Australia and for allowing us non-WAUG
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members the opportunity of attending Linus' presentation. Their generosity
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is very greatly appreciated. And I'm sure that everyone who obtained a
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copy of the Linux Journal feels doubly appreciative. I know of quite a
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few people who will subsequently be sending in applications to AUUG and this
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is perhaps the highest compliment I can give.
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And hopefully it won't be so long before we see Linus in Australia again. :)
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Patrick D'Cruze
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pdcruze@orac.iinet.com.au
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From: pratt@Sunburn.Stanford.EDU (Vaughan R. Pratt)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development
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Subject: Linux on Pentium P90 PCI---which motherboard?
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Date: 23 Sep 1994 21:15:37 GMT
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If Linux runs on your Pentium P90 PCI, or you know of a working such,
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I'd appreciate knowing what motherboard did the trick.
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--
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Vaughan Pratt http://boole.stanford.edu/boole.html
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From: ceet1065@eiger.ceet.niu.edu (Dan Halverson)
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Subject: Usenet groups via SLIP
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Date: 25 Sep 1994 17:08:29 -0500
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New Topic Alert! Flame Suppression equipment enabled.
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I have a linux system set up to run over SLIP at this time. I dial into
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my slip server every night to get my SMTP mail. The mail-server trys to
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deliver mail every 30 minutes. Therefore, I may have a waste of up to 30
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minutes waiting for mail. What I would like to do is set up an NNTP news
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transfer program to accept the groups I follow down to my Linux machine.
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From there, I could read, post, etc. What I am looking for is what I
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would need to setup in terms of configuration files, etc. and what program
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would work best. I don't expect to receive enough news to overload the
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bandwidth. Only about 10 groups.
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Thanks for any help
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Dan
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From: wtwhiteh@prairienet.org (William T. Whitehouse)
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Subject: Re: P5-90 MHz beats SGI R4000-100MHz.
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Date: 26 Sep 1994 01:13:54 GMT
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Larry Pyeatt (pyeatt@cervesa.cs.colostate.edu) wrote:
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: In article <3621kv$3pf@mark.ucdavis.edu>, broadley@turing.ucdavis.edu (Bill Broadley) writes:
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: |> : |> Funny in my 2 month old magazine I see a DELL P-90, 16 MB ram, 17" monitor,
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: |> : |> #9 2 MB vram card (250k xstones), 1 GB disk, 3*cdrom for
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: |> : |> $3899. I'm sure the ethernet card doesn't cost $500
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: |>
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: |> : You are free to call Dell and check my price. I did call them.
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: |> Read any Computer Shopper, byte, or pc-mag in the last two months.
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: Your belief is not based in reality. Apparently you did not call Dell
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: as I suggested. Did you not even read my post? I read the add in
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: Computer shopper and then called Dell to get a price quote.
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: [deletia]
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: The number I put down was the
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: number that Dell quoted me. Maybe you should call THEM and tell them
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: that their prices are wrong.
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Maybe he should. PC World magazine, in their Sept. 94 issue, rated the
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Dell Dimension XPS P90 with the above config a #1 Best Buy at $3828. I'm
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sure _they_ must have called Dell at one time or another.
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Sounds like two realities are in effect here ... one belonging to the
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Dell rep who talked to the PC World folks and the other belonging to the
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Dell rep who talked to Mr. Pyeatt. It doesn't inspire a lot of faith in
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Dell phone support.
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--
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Bill Whitehouse wtwhiteh@prairienet.org
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"It is the theory which decides what we can observe." - Einstein
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From: anibal@ee470.ee.mcgill.ca (Anibal Jodorcovsky)
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Subject: setting up FTP anonymous
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Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 01:07:35 GMT
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Hi all,
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subject says it all...
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how do I go about setting up an anonymous FTP site with Slackware
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distribution 2.0? I read the howto and faq and couldn't find anything.
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thanks in advance,
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--
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--
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Anibal Jodorcovsky *
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Montreal - Canada * Unix _IS_ user friendly...
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anibal@ee.mcgill.ca * It's just selective about who its friends are.
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From: F.SCHMIDT@BIONIC.zer.de (Florian Schmidt)
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Subject: Re: More Memory = Slow Linux??
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Date: Wed, 21 Sep 1994 23:00:00 +0000
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reply on user garcia@ece.cmu.edu
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> I keep seeing posts made by people who have added memory
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> to their computers and subsequently experienced a drop in
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> performance under Linux.
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> I want to know if anyone knows *why* this happens. Please post
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> any replies to this newsgroup, since I believe others would also
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> be interested in hearing the answers. If you cannot post for
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> whatever reason, e-mail me (I will forward to the newsgroup if
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> you like).
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i think it is because of the efficiency which a relatively small cache has
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when serving a big memory - pool...
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--
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jibbeldidabbeldidubbeldidu - mich juckts am arsch und kratzen darfst DU!
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GMU -d+ -p+ c++ l+ u--- e* m--- s++/+ !n f? g+ w+ t+ r y+
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irc: moses
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## CrossPoint v3.0 ##
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From: dror@netcom.com (Oz Dror)
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Subject: TIA vs. TERM
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Date: Fri, 23 Sep 1994 19:47:11 GMT
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Is there a discussion some where about the advantage of one v.s. the other.
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-Oz
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--
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<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
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NAME Oz Dror, Los Angeles, California
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SMAIL dror@netcom.com <<Use Linux since 8/15/94>>
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PHONE (213) 874-7978 Fax (213) 874-7965
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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From: berry@ee.cornell.edu (Brian M Berry)
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Subject: Re: News readers for SL/ip
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Date: 26 Sep 1994 06:06:54 GMT
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Ian Colquhoun (ianc@bonk.io.org) wrote:
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: Are there any news readers for Linux (or any other UNIX) that reads news
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: more like Trumpet for Windows does? Having to wait while TIN or TRN reads
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: the entire newsgroups file via NNTP over a 14.4K link is a bit ridiculous!
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: Please e-mail any responses to me..
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I found that, at a hit on some functionality (not really a priority for me),
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using the -n option with [R]TIN eliminated the nasty "Reading active
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news file..." delays.
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The catch, though, is that you need to create a .newsrc that contains
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only the newsgroups you care about. The newsreader will then only
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acquire information relevant to these groups. This means, of course,
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that a "goto" command specifying a group not on your active list
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results in an "not in active file" error.
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I find that that the drawbacks don't annoy me too much, as my
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subscription list is fairly fixed, and I rarely need to read/post
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elsewhere. (Furthermore, TIN has always been my newsreader of choice,
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and I didn't want to part with it :-)
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(Hey, I'm even saving some daily bandwidth...perhaps it's the
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internet'aly "green" thing to do...)
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Brian
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//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
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Brian Michael Berry berry@ee.cornell.edu
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Graduate Student / Electrical Engineering
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Cornell University / Ithaca NY
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From: broadley@turing.ucdavis.edu (Bill Broadley)
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Subject: Re: P5-90 MHz beats SGI R4000-100MHz.
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Date: 23 Sep 1994 20:37:43 GMT
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: 2. SGI Indy does not cost ~3 times more than a top of the line DELL.
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: Let's look at the numbers, shall we:
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: Dell XPS 90, 16Meg ram, 17" monitor, #9 graphics card,
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: CD Rom Drive, 1G IDE disk, ethernet card, 3 year warranty.
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: Price: ~$4400
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Funny in my 2 month old magazine I see a DELL P-90, 16 MB ram, 17" monitor,
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#9 2 MB vram card (250k xstones), 1 GB disk, 3*cdrom for
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$3899. I'm sure the ethernet card doesn't cost $500
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: SGI Indy, 16 Meg Ram, 17" monitor, accelerated graphics
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: 1G FAST SCSI Drive, ethernet, CCD camera, 3 year warranty.
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: Price: ~$6500
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Best price I've seen.
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: You should note the the Indy has a MIPS R4600 processor, which is
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: much faster than Pentium. Also, the SCSI Drive is faster and more
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: expandable than the Dell IDE. Overall, the Indy will have much
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: higher throughput and lower price/performance.
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SCSI has it's advantages. But EIDE has a higher peak speed (12-13 Mb/sec),
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and can handle 4 drives (which isn't bad).
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Isn't that price for the 100 Mhz 4600? INT FP
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SGI IndyPC R4600 50/100 16/16 62.8 49.9 May94 SGI anno
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Hardly competition for a p90:
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Intel XPRESS Pent735 90 512+8/8 90.1 72.7 Mar94 comp.arch(Intel)
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Even if it's the 133 Mhz with L2 cache (I doubt it):
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SGI IndySC R4600 66/133 512+16/16 93.7 72.9 Aug94 SGI anno
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Still slower.
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So I suspec to get 62 specint you spend $6500 or get 90 specint for
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$3900 with Dell. BTW you can get scsi p-90's with 17" for less from
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other vendors.
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--
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Bill Broadley Broadley@math.ucdavis.edu UCD Math Sys-Admin
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Linux is great. http://ucdmath.ucdavis.edu/~broadley PGP-ok
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From: edwards@xon.cuug.ab.ca (Ken Edwards)
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Subject: CBC News Using Linux for Mail!
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Date: Thu, 22 Sep 1994 05:08:24 GMT
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The CBC, Canada's National Public network publishes tvnews@mail.north.net
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as their email address at the end of each show.
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Not only am I glad to see the network saving money by using Linux, I thought
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linuxers would be interested in seeing evidence of just how far Linux has
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managed to spread.
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%finger tvnews@mail.north.net
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Welcome to Linux version 1.1.48 at uunorth.north.net !
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1:00am up 14:34, 13 users, load average: 0.43, 0.27, 0.25
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Login: tvnews Name: CBC TV News
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Directory: /home/pip/tvnews Shell: /bin/true
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Way to go Linux.
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From: Hallvard.Paulsen@imm.unit.no (Hallvard Paulsen)
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Subject: Setting up DOS. was: Don't use Linux or it's to academic!
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Date: 26 Sep 1994 06:44:19 GMT
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Reply-To: Hallvard.Paulsen@imm.unit.no (Hallvard Paulsen)
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|> Even DOS and Windoze require administration. It doesn't get done, and that's
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|> why most DOS/Windoze machines are a MESS. Stray files, improperly configured
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|> software, lost temporary files taking up disk space. What a waste of money
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|> and resources...
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I find that DOZ/Windoze takes *a* *lot* of administration in order
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to make programs run right. The process mostly consists of
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1. Edit config.sys
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2. Edit autoexec.bat
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3. reboot.
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I think that over the last 4 years I have spent at
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least 2-3 weeks in this loop. Usually in order to
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release more memory for a new application.
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In dos 6+ this has become a little bit better, since
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it allows you to have different startup options
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in your config.sys and autoexec.bat. But this will
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of course mean that you have to sacrify something
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in order to make other things work. And if you want
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to swich from doing one thing to doing something else,
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you might have to reboot.
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In linux, this is no problem. On my 16MB box I realy
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*have* 16MB to play with, not 640.
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Hallvard Paulsen
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From: im_lwhab@uxmail.ust.hk (Lee Wai Han)
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Subject: 286 telnet P5 with Linux?
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Date: Wed, 21 Sep 1994 19:16:11 GMT
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Is it worth to set up a 286 system to telnet to a P5(with Linux installed)
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to do somethings?
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What things can a 286 do with such connections?
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Do I have any better connection for choose?
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[ Say, null modem / terminal(?) ]
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If connecting a 286 didn't worth anything, how about a 386?
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Thank you in advance?
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From: mhp1@ra (Michael H. Price II)
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Subject: ext2 QUESTIONS
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Date: 22 Sep 1994 06:13:44 GMT
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Reply-To: mhp1@Ra.MsState.Edu
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I have a few questions and can't seem to find the answers to them:
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1. I know that mke2fs reserves 5% of the disk space for the super user.
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I even know how to set it to 0%. What I don't know is why 5% is
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reserved in the first place? Does it hurt to set it to 0?
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2. What is the purpose of the lost+found directory?
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3. Why does ext2 have a bunch of options that don't do anything yet?
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Thanks for your time.
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Michael.
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P.S. I have a hard copy of the ext2 FAQ in front of me. Please no cute
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replies to read the FAQ ;-)
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From: herbert@greathan.apana.org.au (Herbert Xu)
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Subject: Re: Linux DOOM for X released
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Date: 26 Sep 1994 10:11:10 +1000
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Greg Harewood (gjh@ukc.ac.uk) wrote:
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: In article <350849INN7ol@cs.utk.edu>,
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: Michael Peek <peek@duncan.cs.utk.edu> wrote:
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: >David Taylor (ddt@idcube.idsoftware.com) wrote:
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: >: DOOM v1.666 for Linux using X is available at:
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: >
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: >I wonder: If this is a specific Linux port, and no other ports are in the
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: >works, it seems to me that the program would pick up a lot of speed if it
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: >used the SVGALIB routines. It sure would be easier to see!
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It doesn't seem to be a Linux specific port as the IRIX version is also
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available.
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A. B <=> True B. A <=> False
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Email: Herbert Xu ~{PmV>HI~} <herbert@greathan.apana.org.au>
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PGP Key: pgp-public-keys@pgp.mit.edu or any other key sites
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From: dmargrav@clark.net (David T. Margrave)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
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Subject: Re: Telnet & ftp freeze!
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Date: 24 Sep 1994 00:15:24 GMT
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In article <940923152916.222033c8@CHIP.FNAL.GOV>, DABOUS@CHIP.FNAL.GOV says:
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I've also experimented with telnetting into my linux box from work,
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and had no problems. Could this be a function not only of your
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own config, but also your internet provider?
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>
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>Hello everyone,
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>
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> This is my last hope to get some help to an annnoying
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>problem that I am having. If I fail to resolve this problem, I
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>may sadly switch to freeBSD, though I regret to do so after
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>I spent tens of hours setting up Linux. I still have faith in
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>Linux gurus.
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>
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> Said that, I am having problems with telnet an MTU sizes. If I
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>telnet/ftp to my Linux box from a remote site, I find my sessions _sometimes_
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>hang up. ifconfig shows that some packets have been dropped. Reading some
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>documentation, I found out that this is a fragmentation problem that is
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>being worked on in Net-2E. I choose mtu with different sizes, but I guess
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>the best that can work for me is 576 (though this still breaks.) I am
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>running v1.1.48 and using SLIP protocol.
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>
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> The problem gets much worse and freeze much quicker if you telnet
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>to your Linux machine, and then from your Linux machine you telnet/ftp to
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>some other machine.
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>
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> I've seen this problem being reported several times on Linux
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>newsgroups, but no one had given an answer to it. I have programming
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>experiecne and I would like to help in solving it.
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>
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>- Kal Dabous
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> dabous@fnal.gov
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>
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From: irish@eskimo.com (S. O'Connor)
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Subject: Re: Damn X-aware xterms!!!
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Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 10:07:30 GMT
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ramos@engr.latech.edu (Alex Ramos) writes:
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>Yeah I know an xterm is "X-aware" by definition... but maybe someone
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>knows what I'm talking about: On slackware2.0 Linux, it's impossible
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>to paste between xterms, because whenever you click on one, it emulates
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>arrow keys instead of highlighting for pasting. How do I disable such
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>an annoying (argghh) "feature"?
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>Thanks.
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Gee, I've never had that problem. I'm using Slackware 2.0 right
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out of the (ftp) "box", haven't changed a thing, and I can cut and paste
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all day. Maybe if you _hold_ the button down while making your cut
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selection....
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Irish
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From: baba@ph-meter.beckman.uiuc.edu (Baba Buehler)
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Subject: Re: Damn X-aware xterms!!!
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Date: 22 Sep 94 06:57:07 GMT
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Reply-To: baba@beckman.uiuc.edu
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ramos@engr.latech.edu (Alex Ramos) writes:
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>Yeah I know an xterm is "X-aware" by definition... but maybe someone
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>knows what I'm talking about: On slackware2.0 Linux, it's impossible
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>to paste between xterms, because whenever you click on one, it emulates
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>arrow keys instead of highlighting for pasting. How do I disable such
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>an annoying (argghh) "feature"?
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I think you've run across an annoying "feature" of elvis, rather than a
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feature of xterms. Try vim, works better for me.
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--
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%>- Baba Z Buehler
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%>- Beckman Institute Systems Services, Urbana Illinois
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%>- WWW: http://www.beckman.uiuc.edu/groups/biss/people/baba/
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%>- PGP Public Key available via WWW & public key servers
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From: ernestl@bnr.ca (Ernest Leuenberger)
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Subject: Re: Damn X-aware xterms!!!
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Date: 26 Sep 1994 11:36:17 GMT
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Reply-To: ernestl@bnr.ca
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In article <CwqExK.11I@eskimo.com>, irish@eskimo.com (S. O'Connor) writes:
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|> slg@slgsun.cb.att.com (Sean Gilley) writes:
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|>
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|> >Nope. I've noticed this myself. If you have two Xterm windows up, and
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|> >highlight text in the first, then *click* on the second, you no longer
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|> >have text selected for cut and paste.
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|>
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|> Bullshit.
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This language is uncalled for! The described problem is NOT BS. I've seen
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it myself. Just because your setup does not behave like this does not mean
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some other configuration can't.
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|>
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|> >Anyone know how to fix this?
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|>
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|> It ain't broke.
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YES IT IS, at least it may be misconfigured. I have this 'problem' on two
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systems a Linux system and a Sparc both running olvwm.
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Seeing that fvwm is in the keywords list leads me to believe that it is not
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just occurring on olvwm.
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|> >Sean.
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|>
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|> Irish
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I use "OpenWindows.SetInput: followmouse". I don't have to click on a
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window to type in it but sometimes I want to raise it before pasting.
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(I don't like autoraise). Clicking on the title or border should not
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unselect anything.
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Again I ask the question: "how do we fix this".
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Ernest.
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