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From: Digestifier <Linux-Misc-Request@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu>
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To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Reply-To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Date: Mon, 26 Sep 94 20:13:30 EDT
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Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #830
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Linux-Misc Digest #830, Volume #2 Mon, 26 Sep 94 20:13:30 EDT
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Contents:
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Re: Motherboard recommendations? (Donald Becker)
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Re: Is Linux faster than Os/2? Please help. (Alan Cox)
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Re: SB16 MCD and Mitsumi problem - Help (Raymond Ho)
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Re: GCC (templates) on Linux (John Rhoades)
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PROMISE DC4030VL-2 IDE Controller (joel krauska)
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Broken semaphore implementation? (Dmitri Belosludtsev)
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Re: Editors/WordProcessors for Linux (Alan Osborne)
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IP Addresses For Standalone LAN (Lam Dang)
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Re: Don't use Linux or it's to academic! (Alex Ramos)
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Re: 486 Math Not Detected on 486SLC (Mark A. Horton KA4YBR)
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Re: Emacs & latex for thesis (Grant Edwards)
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Re: Damn X-aware xterms!!! (Mark Dobie)
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Re: Yggdrasil Linux Plug and Play CD ver1.1 ? (Daniel Quinlan)
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HELP compiling using X11 User Interface Toolkit (Riccardo Facchetti - Allanon -)
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Re: Orchid Kelvin 64 Xfree86 Driver Availability ??? (Raymond Ho)
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Re: Distibutions??? What are the differences!!! (Leon Heller)
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From: becker@cesdis.gsfc.nasa.gov (Donald Becker)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.misc
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Subject: Re: Motherboard recommendations?
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Date: 26 Sep 1994 14:56:33 -0400
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In article <35vm4e$mhj@perot.mtsu.edu>,
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John Wallace <csjohn@perot.mtsu.edu> wrote:
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>What is a good price/performance VLB motherboard which is
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>both OS/2 & Linux compatible? I have 4 60ns 1x9 SIMMs
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>(30-pin) and 1 60ns 4x36 SIMMs (72 pin) to put into the
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>board, although I could do without the 4 1x9s if I had to.
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>Any help would be appreciated.
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There are 486 motherboards available that support both kinds of SIMMs.
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The best performance seems to come from boards using the SiS '471 chipset.
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I've seen several different designs, but they all have the following
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features:
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3 VL slots, 2 master, 1 "video"
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3-4 ISA slots (one design has three 16 bit and one 8 bit slot)
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2 72-pin SIMM slots (populated 1 at a time)
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4 30-pin SIMM slots (populated 4 at a time).
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Jumpered CPU clock
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"Green" support (the SiS '471 is a green chipset)
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3.3V regulator for the DX4 (sometimes optional)
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Also tempting is the VLB-ISA-PCI motherboards, but they tend to compromise
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performance for the multiple bus support.
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The ASUS SP3G motherboard is very nice, with SCSI-IDE-2F-2S-1P-1M on the
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motherboard and PCI slots, but it requires 72 pin SIMMs added in equal-sized
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pairs.
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--
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Donald Becker becker@cesdis.gsfc.nasa.gov
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USRA-CESDIS, Center of Excellence in Space Data and Information Sciences.
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Code 930.5, Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, MD. 20771
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301-286-0882 http://cesdis.gsfc.nasa.gov/pub/people/becker/whoiam.html
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From: iialan@iifeak.swan.ac.uk (Alan Cox)
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Subject: Re: Is Linux faster than Os/2? Please help.
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Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 14:56:58 GMT
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In article <CwF7x0.K2r@nl.oracle.com> rgasch@nl.oracle.com (Robert Gasch) writes:
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>I hate to question your figures, but I'm interested in this for my own
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>sake. I'm running Linux 1.0.9 (Slakware 2.0) with 8Mb Ram with the S3
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>server. When I start up X and create 2 xterms, I start using swap. BTW,
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>I'm using the default window manager with a 3x3 virtual desktop and am
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>running several gettys and the tcp demons (to enable loopback connections).
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>I don't think I'm doing anything weird enough to account for a difference
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>of 4MB used memory? BTW, the numbers I'm giving are as reported by top.
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Starting to use swap and swapping slowing you down are a bit different. You
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have probably swapped out a few spare getty processes and the bit of the
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X server that does start up - no harm done.
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I use fvwm as the window manager, 3x3 desktop and rxvt (not X term) and
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don't even touch swap on an 8Mb host.
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Alan
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--
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..-----------,,----------------------------,,----------------------------,,
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// Alan Cox // iialan@www.linux.org.uk // GW4PTS@GB7SWN.#45.GBR.EU //
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``----------'`----------------------------'`----------------------------''
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From: rayho@ix.netcom.com (Raymond Ho)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
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Subject: Re: SB16 MCD and Mitsumi problem - Help
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Date: 24 Sep 1994 03:38:15 GMT
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In <35u61p$46a@ns1.unicomp.net> brogers@ns1.unicomp.net (B. Rogers) writes:
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>
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>In article <35qtdv$pcg@ixnews1.ix.netcom.com>,
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>Raymond Ho <rayho@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
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>>I have a Mitsumi FX001D controlled by a Sound Blaster 16 MCD. The
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>>SB16 is their latest revision with the Mitsumi CD IO port set at 0x230.
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>>The only options I have are 230, 250, 270 and 290, while with the older
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>>board, the IO port can be set starting at 0x300. I was trying to install
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>>the Yggdrasil Linux, the boot diskette insists on looking for a Sony CD
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>>ROM drive, I guest it sees the IO port of 0x230 being set, I believe
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>>that is where the Sony default. Can I use the boot command to tell
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>>LILO that I have a Mitsumi CD at 0x230 and IRQ 11?
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>>
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>>Thanks...
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>
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>You're Welcome.
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>
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>I had the same problem with the SlackWare 2.0 CD-ROM and a Mitsumi Double-
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>Speed on an SB16. First of all, if you are making your own boot disks to
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>suit the hardware on your system, then don't use the SoundBlaster boot
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>disk; use the Mitsumi boot disk. (I don't even know if you have to create
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>boot disks from images on the Yggdrasil CD, but that's what I did for Slack-
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>Ware. I'm just telling you what I know.) Then, when you boot the floppy,
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>at the "LILO boot:" prompt, specify the boot image to use followed by
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>"mcd=0x230,11".
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>
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>Example:
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>
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> LILO boot: bootimage mcd=0x230,11
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>
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>NOTE: The "bootimage" above should be substituted with the name of the
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>default boot image (the one listed first when you hit Tab).
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>
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>Seizure Later!
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>--
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>/* Brian Rogers, disciple of Java, brogers@unicomp.net */
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>
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Thanks for responding. I tried that with the original boot diskette from
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Yggdrasil and failed, I downloaded the latest boot diskette image from
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them and tried with the linux mcd=0x230,11, it worked.
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Ray
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From: rhoades@cs.unc.edu (John Rhoades)
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Subject: Re: GCC (templates) on Linux
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Date: 24 Sep 1994 01:35:57 -0400
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In article <mikec.780243336@atl1>, mikec@peach.america.net (Michael J. Callahan) writes:
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> Is the version of GCC which handles templates available for Linux yet?
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> Where can I pick it up?
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Templates sort of work in gcc 2.5.8. I've been using them successfully, but
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I've had one problem. I have to include the implementation part along with
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the interface part in every source file. If I don't, I get undefined
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externals. This slows down compilations quite a bit. Anybody know a way
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around this? I've tried the #pragma interface and #pragma implementation
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statements with no success. Documentation of g++ templates is woefully
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lacking.
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/s John S. Rhoades
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From: joel krauska <jkrauska@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu>
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.help
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Subject: PROMISE DC4030VL-2 IDE Controller
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Date: Sun, 25 Sep 1994 21:36:17 -0500 (CDT)
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I'm looking for anyone who has used this card and has seen/tried any
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drivers for it for linux.. The main problem is getting linux to "see" the
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3rd and 4th IDE drives.. It see's the first 2 fine.
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Joel Krauska (about to call PROMISE)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development
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From: dnb@orgland.ru (Dmitri Belosludtsev)
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Subject: Broken semaphore implementation?
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Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:49:47 GMT
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Hi!
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I tried to port some program from SYSV to Linux and found
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strange differences in semaphore implementation.
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The program below runs OK on SYSV (ISC) or BSD/386 1.1 but fails (got EAGAIN)
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on semop call in Linux (Kernel 1.1.50).
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#include <stdio.h>
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#include <sys/types.h>
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#include <sys/ipc.h>
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#include <sys/sem.h>
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key_t key = 5325633;
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int semid;
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#ifdef ISC
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union Semun {
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int val;
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struct semid_ds *buf;
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unsigned short *array;
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} U;
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#else
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union semun U;
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#endif
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void main()
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{
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struct sembuf test[3] = {
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{0, 0, IPC_NOWAIT},
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{0, 1, SEM_UNDO},
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{0, -1, IPC_NOWAIT|SEM_UNDO},
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};
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if ((semid = semget(key, 1, IPC_CREAT|0666)) < 0) {
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perror("semget(IPC_CREAT)");
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exit(-1);
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}
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if (semop(semid, test, 3) < 0) {
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perror("semop(test)");
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} else {
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printf("semop(test) return OK\n");
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}
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printf("sem#0 has value %d\n", semctl(semid, 0, GETVAL, U));
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if (semctl(semid, 0, IPC_RMID, U) < 0) {
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perror("semctl(IPC_RMID)");
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exit(-1);
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}
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exit(0);
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}
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From: alan@osborne.demon.co.uk (Alan Osborne)
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Subject: Re: Editors/WordProcessors for Linux
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Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 14:36:37 +0000
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S. Troughton (Stuart@trognet.demon.co.uk) wrote:
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: I am new to using Linux and I was wondering what editors/wordprocessors
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If you don't want the "classic unix" stuff or andrew, you have the
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option of for example WP5.1 under dosemu (dosemu seems to work very well
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now) or WP for SCO using the iBCS support. The combination of good dos
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emulation and iBCS gives you many alternatives.
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This is getting to be an extremely frequent subject...perhaps it
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should be added to the FAQ....
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Cue "emacs and TeX are best" war......(no, please..don't)
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--
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AlanO
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From: dangit@netcom.com (Lam Dang)
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Subject: IP Addresses For Standalone LAN
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Date: Sat, 24 Sep 1994 04:59:48 GMT
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I have set up an IP net of several nodes at home. Following general
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conventions, they're given the addresses 192.0.0.1, 192.0.0.5, and
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192.0.0.9. At least one of these addresses (.1) already exists on the
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Internet. If this one is connected via PPP to a node on the Internet, it
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must be given another address to avoid confusion.
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Are there IP addresses set aside for standalone LANs? Where are they
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documented?
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--
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Lam Dang
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dangit@netcom.com
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From: ramos@engr.latech.edu (Alex Ramos)
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Subject: Re: Don't use Linux or it's to academic!
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Date: 25 Sep 1994 21:33:14 GMT
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Hallvard Paulsen (Hallvard.Paulsen@imm.unit.no), quoted out of context, wrote:
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> |> When I'm recommending some system to my customers it should be something
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> |> that has a proven record of durability, Netware and Lan Server both have
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> |> that when it comes to NOS'es. MS-DOS and OS/2 have it when it comes to
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> |> PC OS'es.
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> Windows durability is about 2 hours.. (The time between reboots.)
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> I guess MS-DOS is quite durable, but ohh so limited in its
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> capabilities.
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In a development environment (Borland C++ 4.02), it's more like 15 minutes.
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--
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Alex Ramos (ramos@engr.latech.edu) * http://info.latech.edu/~ramos/
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Louisiana Tech University, BSEE/Sr * These opinions are probably mine
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
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From: mah@ka4ybr.com (Mark A. Horton KA4YBR)
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Subject: Re: 486 Math Not Detected on 486SLC
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Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 17:04:59 GMT
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Daniel Andor (daniel@hapsi.demon.co.uk) wrote:
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: In article <CwI67u.AG7@mcdgs01.cr.usgs.gov>
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: rfugina@mcdgs01.cr.usgs.GOV "Rob Fugina" writes:
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: Of course you can buy one... (487, that is - next to the proc usually)
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: Daniel Andor ----- daniel@hapsi.demon.co.uk -----
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Sure! Buy a real 486 cleverly disguised as a 487 that turns your
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existing 486 into a rather expensive shunt resistor! Intel
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Marketing loves this! It's often cheaper to junk the whole board
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and buy a real 486DX. :)
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- Mark
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--
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"Linux! Guerrilla UNIX Development Venimus, Vidimus, Dolavimus."
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============================================================
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Mark A. Horton ka4ybr mah@ka4ybr.atl.ga.us
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P.O. Box 747 Decatur GA US 30031-0747 mah@ka4ybr.com
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+1.404.371.0291 33 45 31 N / 084 16 59 W
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From: grante@reddwarf.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards)
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Subject: Re: Emacs & latex for thesis
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Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 20:40:45 GMT
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Cornelius Krasel (krasel@alf.biochem.mpg.de) wrote:
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: : [quoting somebody else]
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: : The real question is: Why would you want to write a THESIS on emax and
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: : latex?
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: : [end of quote]
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: Easy: because I write my thesis faster with emacs and LaTeX than with MS-Word
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: or whatever you may think of.
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LaTeX also does a far better job of typsetting (especially math stuff)
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than any of the WYSIWYG packages that I've tried. Most of the WYSIWYG
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stuff I've tried doesn't even support ligatures.
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--
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Grant Edwards |Yow! I'd like some JUNK
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Rosemount Inc. |FOOD... and then I want to
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|be ALONE --
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grante@rosemount.com |
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From: mrd@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Mark Dobie)
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Subject: Re: Damn X-aware xterms!!!
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Date: 26 Sep 1994 16:51:13 +0100
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In <35rlsu$5jh@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> geyer@urania.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de (Helmut Geyer) writes:
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>If the problem occurs whenever elvis (vi) is running, the problem is
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>the xterm support of elvis, changing the usual copy/paste mouse buttons
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>to the ctrl mouse button. This is misdesign in elvis, not in xterm,
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>as ctrl mouse button has a different meaning in a xterm already.
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This is elvis taking advantage of a little used xterm feature. Xterm has
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a mode where an application can get information about mouse events. In
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this mode you have to use SHIFT with the mouse buttons to select and
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paste. Elvis after version 1.7 uses this mode.
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I reckon one could argue equally well that the mis-design is in xterm
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rather than elvis.
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Anyway, I use vim these days... :)
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Mark
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--
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Mark Dobie MS Windows? Linux and X!
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University of Southampton M.R.Dobie@ecs.soton.ac.uk
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From: quinlan@freya.yggdrasil.com (Daniel Quinlan)
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Subject: Re: Yggdrasil Linux Plug and Play CD ver1.1 ?
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Date: 26 Sep 1994 02:34:45 GMT
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Reply-To: quinlan@yggdrasil.com
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Jeff Kesselman <jeffpk@netcom.com> writes:
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> The Fall94 also has a trick that at the moment I believe is special
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> to yygdrasil, though they've sent it to Linus for general inclusion.
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A small correction. It hasn't been sent yet although Ross Biro, my
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esteemed coworker, plans to send them once he finishes the diffs.
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I'm also not certain if we'll send them directly to Linus or make them
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publicly available as a patch vs. 1.1.51 (or whatever is current) so
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that they can be used by the Linux community more quickly.
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> Thsi is the ability to 'thunk' calls to the 16bit MS_DOS CD-ROM and
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> hard disk interface. This makes it possible to use devies other
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> then those supported directly by drivers. (Don't ask me about
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> performance as I haven't used it...)
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Performance is somewhat slow, but as they say, something is better
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than nothing.
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Dan
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--
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Daniel Quinlan <quinlan@yggdrasil.com>
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From: riccardo@cdc835.cdc.polimi.it (Riccardo Facchetti - Allanon -)
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Subject: HELP compiling using X11 User Interface Toolkit
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Date: 26 Sep 1994 15:26:08 GMT
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Hello ppl,
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i have decided just yersterday to start writing an X application,
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and after some study on UIT manuals, i have started to write down
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a bit of code.
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Aftre that i've built a Makefile and do the fatal 'make'
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It ended up with a lot of messages like this:
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[...]
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main.o: Undefined symbol UIObject::createDragSite(...) referenced from text segment
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main.o: Undefined symbol UIObject::createDropSite(...) referenced from text segment
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main.o: Undefined symbol UIDisplay::createDragSite(...) referenced from text segment
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main.o: Undefined symbol UIDisplay::createDropSite(...) referenced from text segment
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main.o: Undefined symbol UIObject::createDragSite(...) referenced from text segment
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[...]
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Here the source:
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#include <uit/BaseWindow.h>
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#include <uit/ComponentDisplay.h>
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#include <uit/AlphanumericInput.h>
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#include <uit/Button.h>
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#include <uit/Notifier.h>
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#include "object_data.h"
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void btn_handler (UIObject *obj)
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{
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AlphanumericInput *textfield = (AlphanumericInput *)obj->getObjectData(TEXTFIELD);
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char *value;
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textfield->getValue(value);
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textfield->setValue("");
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delete value;
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}
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main(int argc, char **argv)
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{
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BaseWindow base;
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base.initUI(argc, argv);
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base.setHeight (300);
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base.setWidth (500);
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ComponentDisplay cd;
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base.addDisplay (cd);
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AlphanumericInput text_field;
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cd.addComponent (text_field);
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Button btn;
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btn.setLabel ("Quit");
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cd.addComponent (btn);
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btn.setObjectData(TEXTFIELD_DATA_NAME, text_field);
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Notifier n;
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n.start();
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}
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and here the make lines:
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g++ -I/usr/include/uit -c main.C
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g++ -L/usr/openwin/lib -o xyamm main.o -lX11 -lxview -lolgx -lUIC -lm
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Am I wrong ?
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What is the problem ?
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Please help me ... or you will never see an X11 version of yamm :))
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Thanks,
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Riccardo.
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--
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Riccardo Facchetti | e-mail: riccardo@cdc8g5.cdc.polimi.it
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Centro di Calcolo | home e-mail:
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Politecnico di Milano | Riccardo.Facchetti@p7.f120.n331.z2.fidonet.org
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P.za Leonardo da Vinci, 32 |
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I-20133 - Milano - Italy | Nickname on IRC: Allanon
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| EBIC coordinator for *.it domain
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Home address: |
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Via PAOLO VI, 29 | For anyone that play FRPG, look at this:
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22053 - Lecco - Italy | http://cdc8g5.cdc.polimi.it:6666/~riccardo/
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==================================================================
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...
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there walks a lady we all know * who shines white light and wants to show *
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that everything still turns to gold * and if you listen very hard *
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the tune will come to you at last * when all are one and one is all *
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to be a ROCK and not to roll ...
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... and she's buying the stairway to heaven
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LZ
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From: rayho@ix.netcom.com (Raymond Ho)
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Crossposted-To: git.unix.linux,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.admin
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Subject: Re: Orchid Kelvin 64 Xfree86 Driver Availability ???
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Date: 26 Sep 1994 02:29:11 GMT
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In <360e6r$qt@mordred.gatech.edu> nilsen@comlab.gtri.gatech.edu (nilsen) writes:
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>
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>
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>Does anyone know if drivers have been written for this card yet??
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>
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>I think it uses a cirrus logic 5434 chipset
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>
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>I would obviously prefer the driver to be public domain
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>
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>I know that it is supposed to be coming in xfree86 3.1, when is this due
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>out???
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>
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>Is there any way i can get an advance copy of the driver??
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>
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>
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>And what does accelerated vs. unaccelerated support mean on the linux
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>hardware compatability sheet??
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>
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>thanx,
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>
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>--
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>Robert Windsor Nilsen III | We make holes in teeth!
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>nilsen@comlab.gtri.gatech.edu |
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>
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I would like to know too, I have a Diamond Speedstar 64 PCI which uses the
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same Currus Logic 5434 chip. I've configured it as a clgd5424 for X and it
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works fine for all the display modes, except when I exit, then when screen
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will just goes into funny characters. I have tried using the clgd543x driver
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but with no luck.
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From: Leon@lfheller.demon.co.uk (Leon Heller)
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Subject: Re: Distibutions??? What are the differences!!!
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Reply-To: Leon@lfheller.demon.co.uk
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Date: Fri, 23 Sep 1994 20:22:07 +0000
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In article <35s3qr$kr5@www.interramp.com>
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pp000458@interramp.com "Barry Kominik" writes:
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> Can some please explain to me what are the differences in the
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> distributions for Linux. I see SLS, SlackWare, Yggdrasil and the
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> Linux Quarterly.
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>
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> I have quite a bit of UNIX experience and am not scared to play. What
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> distribution should I get?
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>
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> Thanks,
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> Barry
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I've got the SLS CDROM. It was quite easy to get going, but I had trouble
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recompiling the kernel, and the printed documentation supplied didn't
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correspond to the software - files and directories missing, and so on.
|
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However, I've subsequently added a lot of stuff from various ftp sites,
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including a recent kernel (which compiled without any problems), and
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created my own personal system. If you take this route, it doesn't
|
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really matter which one you get. I've seen one or two other postings
|
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along these lines.
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Leon
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--
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Leon Heller
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Email: leon@lfheller.demon.co.uk
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Phone: +44 (0734) 266679
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