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From: Digestifier <Linux-Misc-Request@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu>
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To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Reply-To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Date: Tue, 27 Sep 94 03:13:13 EDT
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Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #831
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Linux-Misc Digest #831, Volume #2 Tue, 27 Sep 94 03:13:13 EDT
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Contents:
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How Old Is Linus? (Terence S. Murphy)
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Re: Apple IIgs floppies (root)
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Re: Damn X-aware xterms!!! (Mark Dobie)
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Re: Summary: SCSI and IDE working together (MS-DOS/Win & Linux) (Jeff Jonas)
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Re: Is Linux faster than Os/2? Please help. (Robert Ashcroft)
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Re: Maple V for linux! (Lam Dang)
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How can I rank video cards for Linux? (Brian L. Kahn)
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Re: Don't use Linux or it's to academic! (NAME "Cleetus Overbey Johnson")
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Re: How to use a host as a router - READ THIS (Jay Ashworth)
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Linux at large sites? (David Lemson)
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GNUStep: Real or Hoax?!? (Derrik Walker II)
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Re: Where is Mosaic for Term? (Colin Smith)
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From: blackbob@wwa.com (Terence S. Murphy)
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Subject: How Old Is Linus?
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Date: 26 Sep 1994 16:14:51 -0500
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Someone posted a message today which said that Linus doesn't yet have his
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BS degree. I had always thought that he was a graduate student. Now I
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realize that it might be possible for him to be a graduate student
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without having a BS, which I suspect is the case. I know that he started
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working on Linux in 1991, and that would put him as a freshman or younger
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then when he started, which I sort of doubt is the case. So I'd like to
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know exactly how old he is now and where he's at in school. I assume
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several people here know.
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Are there any biographies/interviews about Linus besides the ones
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in _Dr. Dobb's_ and _Linux Journal_? Those ones were decent, but
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not too great. It would be so cool if someone wrote a book about Linus
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and the rest of the developers. The story is so romantic that I'm
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sure it will happen if Linux if still around for a couple of more years.
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--
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Terry Murphy | UIUC Frosh/CS Major | "The whole world has been made again" -
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Marillion | There ought to be an alt.fan.linus-torvalds! | "The S.A.T is not
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geared for the lower class so why waste time even trying to pass?"-Gang Starr
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"I never found a companion that was so companionable as solitude"-H.D.Thoreau
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From: root@mit.edu (root)
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Subject: Re: Apple IIgs floppies
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Date: 27 Sep 1994 01:53:50 GMT
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Reply-To: jered@mit.edu
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It's not possible.
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(Not with a standard drive, at least)
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See comp.emulators.apple2.
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Jered
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From: mrd@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Mark Dobie)
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Subject: Re: Damn X-aware xterms!!!
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Date: 26 Sep 1994 17:05:26 +0100
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In <366bnh$t7o@bcarh8ab.bnr.ca> ernestl@bnr.ca (Ernest Leuenberger) writes:
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>In article <CwqExK.11I@eskimo.com>, irish@eskimo.com (S. O'Connor) writes:
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>|> slg@slgsun.cb.att.com (Sean Gilley) writes:
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>|>
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>|> >Nope. I've noticed this myself. If you have two Xterm windows up, and
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>|> >highlight text in the first, then *click* on the second, you no longer
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>|> >have text selected for cut and paste.
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>|>
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>|> It ain't broke.
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>YES IT IS, at least it may be misconfigured. I have this 'problem' on two
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>systems a Linux system and a Sparc both running olvwm.
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It's not broke - it's part of the Open Look user interface specification
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and therefore implemented by ol[v]wm and described in the man page.
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In Open Look, when you click in the frame of the window you are
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selecting the window itself as an object. If you click on other windows
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with the middle button (called ADJUST in Open Look) you add them to the
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selection, forming a group of selected windows.
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You can manipulate the windows together as a group. If you drag one they
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all move. You can open and close all at the same time, quit them all
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and make them sticky and unsticky. You have to set up items in your root
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menu to do this.
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>I use "OpenWindows.SetInput: followmouse". I don't have to click on a
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>window to type in it but sometimes I want to raise it before pasting.
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>(I don't like autoraise). Clicking on the title or border should not
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>unselect anything.
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According to Open Look it should. Clicking on the title bar selects the
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window itself.
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>Again I ask the question: "how do we fix this".
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Fortunately you can turn this behaviour off. Add the line
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OpenWindows.SelectWindows: False
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to your ~/.Xdefaults file, assuming this gets processed by xrdb when you
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start X.
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Everyone happy? :)
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Mark
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Mark Dobie MS Windows? Linux and X!
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University of Southampton M.R.Dobie@ecs.soton.ac.uk
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From: jeffj@panix.com (Jeff Jonas)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.periphs.scsi
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Subject: Re: Summary: SCSI and IDE working together (MS-DOS/Win & Linux)
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Date: 26 Sep 1994 12:07:33 -0400
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I will try not to repeat what you already received,
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but I see the situation as follows
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A) HARDWARE:
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A1) HARDWARE: the PC's side of the peripheral bus
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All the controllers are on the same bus.
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For the ISA bus, you need to map out the addresses and interrupts
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so they don't conflict. EISA cards negotiate this in firmware.
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I don't even attempt to discuss other busses or motherboards
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that have things integrated (which usually appear as bus devices
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but some have funky BIOS interaction).
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On my 80486 machine, I have a primary IDE controller,
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an Adaptec 1542C SCSI controller and an
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Adaptec SCSI bus on the Soundblaster 16 card.
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They are all enabled but at different addresses and interrupts.
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I boot from the IDE disks.
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I have no hard disks on SCSI at this time so I'm not familiar with
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handling them. (someday I'll install the SCSI hard disk with Linux).
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On my 80286 machine, I have a MFM controller as the primary
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and an IDE controller as the secondary. (*1) (*2)
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It's quite possible to have 2: IDE controllers for 4 IDE disks on one PC.
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One day I'll be ambitions and move the secondary IDE disk and controller
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to the 80486, giving me 3: IDE disks and 2: SCSI busses.
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A2) HARDWARE: the peripheral's side of the peripheral bus
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Some things are true for all busses
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a) TERMINATION: the device at the physical ends of the bus MUST
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be terminated, even if it's the controller.
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b) every device must have a unique address.
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For SCSI, every device has jumpers for 0-7
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(7 is typically the SCSI controller itself)
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For floppy disks and MFM disks, the PC cable normally has
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several wires twisted to swap the drive select, making the end
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the first disk (A: floppy or C: hard disk).
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Using a straight cable is possible if you jumper the drive selects
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correctly (such as the dual floppy drives that fit in one slot).
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ATA/IDE disks are tricky as they use a straight cable.
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The first disk is jumpered as the 'master' and typically is jumpered
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differently is it's alone or if there's slave disk.
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The second disk (if present) is jumpered as 'slave'.
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The hardware FAQ lists the evolution of the peripheral busses.
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The ATA/IDE interface is most volatile as many disks cannot
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share the bus, and more features keep getting added (such as DMA).
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A3) HARDWARE: BIOS interaction to hardware
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Under Linux, etc, you use the BIOS only for booting.
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The OS's drivers run to the raw machine, bypassing the BIOS completely.
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Under DOS, the BIOS is more apparent as it provides the definitions
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for the A:, B:, C: and D: drives.
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Normally the IDE (or MFM, RLL, ESDI) drives appear as C: and D:
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and are bootable, but some SCSI devices can sneak in there.
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I'm not clear if the motherboard's BIOS needs to support that or if the
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SCSI controller's BIOS can override.
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The BIOS needs not reside on one physical device: it can be in many parts:
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some on the motherboard and some on every peripheral card.
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They just cannot overlap in address space.
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B) LOW LEVEL SOFTWARE
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Under Linux, Unix, OS/2 and just about anything OTHER than DOS,
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you set the hardware in the configuration and regenerate the kernel.
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Under DOS, you need hardware specific drivers that provide
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some architecture neutral interface, such as ASPI for SCSI.
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The IDE disks are handled natively by the BIOS and DOS.
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I use Adaptec's EZ-SCSI drivers to provide the ASPI interface
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for both SCSI controllers.
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C) HIGH LEVEL SOFTWARE
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Under Linux, Unix, etc., you 'mount' the block device with the
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appropriate file system type to make the device appear in the file
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system namespace.
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That way you mount CD-ROMS using the High Sierra/ISO9660 format,
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hard disks using the appropriate file system type and they all appear
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to you as files.
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Under DOS, there's a layer of drivers that uses the ASPI interface.
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MSCDEX is the Microsoft Compact Disk Extensions that make CDs in
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High Sierra/ISO9660 format appear as MS-DOS files.
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ASPIDISK makes SCSI disks appear as devices (when the controller's
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BIOS doesn't do that already due to IDE disks taking the C: and D: drives).
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(*1) The IDE controller is a cheap $10 IDE/floppy/serial/parallel/game
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multi I/O ISA card.
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The IDE is jumpered to the secondary address with IRQ14 disabled.
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I see no need to buy a new card when old cards work fine.
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I find the $100 caching controllers hard to justify considering
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that any decent file system software has a buffer cache.
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(*2) "Why do I have the IDE as the secondary", you may ask.
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Putting the IDE as the primary would put the faster disk first.
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Well, I have my reasons
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A) I plan on moving the IDE disk and controller to another machine,
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leaving the MFM disk on the 80386 machine, so I'll leave that as the primary
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B) By using the 4drives shareware
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1) the IDE drive runs really fast by using the multiple sectors per
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interrupt feature for read/write (a feature that's supported only
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in the more recent BIOSes)
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2) the IDE disk is NOT supported by the old BIOS, so by using the
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driver no BIOS support is needed for the IDE at all.
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--
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Jeffrey Jonas
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jeffj@panix.com
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From: rna@leland.Stanford.EDU (Robert Ashcroft)
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Subject: Re: Is Linux faster than Os/2? Please help.
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Date: 27 Sep 1994 01:34:29 GMT
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In article <35r1n8$8e5@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu>,
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Jeffrey Nipp <jnipp@unix.cc.emory.edu> wrote:
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>The real question is: Why would you want to write a THESIS on emax and
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>latex? There are many comercial products which are much better suited to
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>that particular task which will run native under OS/2 or in a dos or
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>windows box under OS/2 and give much better performance than the unix
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>programs you mention.
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Uh, I've known numerous people who have written theses, and almost all
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of them used Latex or Tex or something, and most of those used Emacs
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while doing so. The only exception being a marketing weenie I know who
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wrote his thesis in MS Word on a ****ing Macintosh...
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And I'm using Latex and Emacs (with Auctex! Very nice package that
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more or less integrates the two) for my thesis.
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I've yet to see nicer looking math output than Tex and Latex. There is
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a ton of stuff available for it too, just check out the Tex newsgroup
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faqs sometime.
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RNA
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From: dangit@netcom.com (Lam Dang)
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Subject: Re: Maple V for linux!
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Date: Tue, 27 Sep 1994 00:15:15 GMT
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Scott Weinstein (swein@csc.albany.edu) wrote:
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: I havn't seen anything on the newsgroups about this... Maple V is
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: available for Linux. It looks and runs just like the Solaris version.
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: The binaries are not staticly linked and the entire installation takes
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: up 24 MB. I'm impressed.
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: The SCO version also works with Linux under the iBCS emulator.
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: With WordPerfect, mapleV, and DOOM, there's no excuse for not
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: installing Linux.
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Where to get Maple V for Linux?
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--
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Lam Dang
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dangit@netcom.com
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From: blk@vanity.mitre.org (Brian L. Kahn)
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Subject: How can I rank video cards for Linux?
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Date: 26 Sep 1994 16:01:12 GMT
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I've looked at the FAQs, but I still have no clues.
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I'll be upgrading my video card soon, so I'm wondering how to rank
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them for speed under Linux/Xwindows. My range is limited to the mid
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to low end of the market ($80-$160) new or used, but most accelerators
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and fancy features don't seem to be supported by XFree anyways. Even
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when the FAQ mentions support for this or that feature, I don't see
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how to translate that into speed!
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Is there a test that is relevant to Linux/Xwindows and is CPU
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independent? Does one of the Xperf tests hit the video card limit on
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slower CPUs? Does a test of bytes/sec in graphics mode tell how fast
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X will run? What about correlation of WinStones to XStones?
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The Tseng chips have always been pretty fast, and that is without
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accelerator hardware, right? The Tridents have always been kinda
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middling, but what about the 9400? How would a VLB Trident rank
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against a 16 bit Tseng 4000?
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And what's the story with S3 chips? Diamond uses evil proprietary
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clocking, so I'll avoid them, but other vendors use the chip. Is it
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partially supported or what? Is it just a trouble to work with?
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General comments or specific recommendations gratefully accepted.
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--
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Brian L. Kahn "In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
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blk@mitre.org In practice, of course, there is."
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Subject: Re: Don't use Linux or it's to academic!
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From: bailey9@muvms6.wvnet.edu (NAME "Cleetus Overbey Johnson")
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Date: 25 Sep 94 13:38:26 EDT
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In article <CwnG9r.GEJ@mcdgs01.cr.usgs.gov>, rfugina@mcdgs01 (Rob Fugina) writes:
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> In article <jeffpkCwMJ0o.uK@netcom.com>,
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> Jeff Kesselman <jeffpk@netcom.com> wrote:
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>>I'll add 2 cents to make it 4. I agree with you 100%. Back in college I
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>>had to support intelligent but non cs researchers using PCs. Even DOS
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>>was a bit of a challenge for them, a UNIX is much too much OS, at least
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>>in its raw state.
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>>If someone can come up with a Linux that not only installs easily, but
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>>requries close to zero admin, then it might be a contender to replace DOS
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>>on pure end-user's machines...
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>
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> Even DOS and Windoze require administration. It doesn't get done, and that's
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> why most DOS/Windoze machines are a MESS. Stray files, improperly configured
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> software, lost temporary files taking up disk space. What a waste of money
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> and resources...
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>
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> Rob
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>
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And aside from that, the little administration you may have to perform on a
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linux (or other unix) box can be
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A: remotely performed in most cases
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B: very much like the other unix administrative tasks you have
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C: Will actually _prevent_ most of the damage that a user might cause
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Neary all the administrative tasks I have ever had to perform on our network of
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PC's running a plethora of ill-behaving software involves problems arising from
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users deleting or modifying files (which files, they don't know). Configuring
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software on the machines is completely different from one application to
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another.
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I still don't understand what all this "Unix is just too much operating
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system", or "Unix is too difficult" griping stems from. I know it isn't easy to
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jump right into the Unix environment. I don't think the problem is with the
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operating system. I think the real problem is with the applications. I can't
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imagine trying to show a non/cs friend of mine how to edit a system file with
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vi. When I first started using Linux (indeed my first Unix experience at all) I
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was horrified by the fact I didn't have alt-key combinations, or even basic
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pull down menus. After learning the key-combinations for Joe, which has become
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my favorite editor, I feel sick when I use DOS edit, or IBM's "e".
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For people who arent spending hours on the computer per day, however,
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the virtues of Emacs aren't going to be worth diddly. I occasionally hear
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comments to the effect of "Get a real editor" as if its manly to use software
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which is not at all friendly to use. I guess I'm a slightly masochistic Unix
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purist now too, that I've found how quickly I can work with minimalist
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software, but to gain a public acceptance like DOS, there are going to have to
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be some brain-dead applications.
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I would imagine I could probably set Joe or another editor up to allow
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me to use alt-key combinations, but what average user wants to take on that
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task?
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From: jra@zeus.IntNet.net (Jay Ashworth)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.admin,alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions
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Subject: Re: How to use a host as a router - READ THIS
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Date: 26 Sep 1994 12:13:08 -0400
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fvm@tasking.nl (Frank van Maarseveen) writes:
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>I saw a posting in comp.os.solaris recently about assigning multiple
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>IP addresses to the same adapter! (on a SparcStation with Solaris 2.x)
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I'll reply to this, since the original posting was mine, I guess...
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>This was done in order to route something across the same physical network
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>without the need for an extra adapter. The second "virtual" adapter was
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>referred to as le0:1, the ":1" part appended to the original adapter name.
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>Though a bit unusual, there's nothing wrong with this I think.
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>I suppose there are no plans yet for implementing this feature in linux.
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This is, of course, the opposite of the situation we were originally
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talking about, the same address on two different interfaces. This one
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here is useful for running one machine with multiple names as well.
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I've been asked to condense my postings about using Linux as a router for
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the Networking HOWTO by it's editor; I'll be scribbling today.
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Cheers,
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-- jra
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--
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Jay R. Ashworth High Technology Systems Comsulting Ashworth
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Designer Linux: The Choice of a GNU Generation & Associates
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ka1fjx/4
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jra@baylink.com "Hey! Do any of you guys know how to Madison?" 813 790 7592
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From: lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson)
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Subject: Linux at large sites?
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Date: 26 Sep 1994 22:02:13 GMT
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Reply-To: lemson@uiuc.edu
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I flipped through the FAQ's but could not find an answer to this
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question:
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Does anyone use Linux for a 'large site'? I am talking about an
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e-mail server (POP server, SMTP server, people logging in to read
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mail) for about 500-1000 people? How many concurrent connections
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can one expect to have on a high-end Pentium with Linux? Is there a
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hard limit in the kernel that cannot be bypassed?
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People keep suggesting Linux as a low cost alternative for our local
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school district's mail servers but I have no idea how well it works
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for, say, 50 or 80 concurrent users.
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Please e-mail replies and I will post a summary to
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comp.os.linux.misc, as I do not usually read this newsgroup.
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Thanks in advance.
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David Lemson (217) 244-8833
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University of Illinois Computing & Comm Services Office System Administrator
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Internet : lemson@uiuc.edu BITNET : LEMSON@UIUCVMD
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From: Derrik Walker II <dwalker@omega.csuohio.edu>
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Subject: GNUStep: Real or Hoax?!?
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Date: Tue, 27 Sep 1994 03:07:46 GMT
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I Seem to remember reading somewhere that FSF was working on a NeXTStep
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like environment (user and Development) that was OOP and Wraparound PS.
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This is intended to be ran on Linux for Mach 3.0 (Assuming the Linux on
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Mach is also Real).
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So is this a bunch of bull shit or is it real. I love both Linux and NS,
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and a combaniation of the two would be the greatest!
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-Derrik
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Derrik Walker II Student of Computer Sciences
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Cleveland State University Automation Assistant, Law Library
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d.k.walker85@csuohio.edu dwalker@omega.csuohio.edu
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http://pclab19.law.csuohio.edu:8099/html/dwalker/home.html
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From: colins@netcom.com (Colin Smith)
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Subject: Re: Where is Mosaic for Term?
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Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 03:23:10 GMT
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Travis L. Cobbs (tcobbs@galaxy.csc.calpoly.edu) wrote:
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: I imagine this has been asked before, but the faq for this group isn't on my
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: server at the moment, and I just started reading it. I've seen various references
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: to people using Mosaic for Term, but I haven't seen anyone say where it can be
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: found. Where is it locate? (Preferably via FTP.)
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: --Travis Cobbs
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: tcobbs@galaxy.csc.calpoly.edu
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Travis,
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Try sunsite.unc.edu or one of the mirrors sites. I believe there is a
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new version, 2.4.2, on that site.
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Regards,
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Colin Smith......Atlanta, GA
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colins@netcom.com
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Colin Smith......Atlanta, GA
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colins@netcom.com
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