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From: Digestifier <Linux-Misc-Request@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu>
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To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Reply-To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Date: Wed, 28 Sep 94 00:13:10 EDT
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Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #835
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Linux-Misc Digest #835, Volume #2 Wed, 28 Sep 94 00:13:10 EDT
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Contents:
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Maple V for Linux (Steve Weibel)
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Re: Linux & Netware. (David W Bellizzi)
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Application oriented languages, Was: Why you should not use Tcl (Paul Budnik)
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Re: Summary: SCSI and IDE working together (MS-DOS/Win & Linux) (Jeff Kesselman)
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SCO WordPerfect: does it run on Linux? (Jeff Arnholt)
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Linux & IBM Thinkpad 500? (Phillip Burgess)
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Re: Beers for Linus (was: Contrib. $s for Linux Dev) (Drew Eckhardt)
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Commercial software for Linux (Miguel A. Rozsas)
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Re: Maple V for Linux (Ross Niebergall)
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Re: Maple V for linux! (Ralph T. Muehleisen)
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Re: Beers for Linus (was: Contrib. $s for Linux Dev) (Mats 'MaDsen' Wikholm)
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Re: LILO (Rutger van de GeVEL)
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Re: Emacs & latex for thesis (Jeffrey Nipp)
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pkzip for dos? (DABOUS@CHIP.FNAL.GOV)
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16 Port Board: Which model and where?? (Bart Kindt)
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Re: Is Linux faster than Os/2? Please help. (Robert Ashcroft)
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Re: Time Screws up w/ Linux (Kamal Shaker)
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Re: Beers for Linus (was: Contrib. $s for Linux Dev) (Craig S. Maloney)
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From: spw@chamois.bu.edu (Steve Weibel)
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Subject: Maple V for Linux
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Date: 27 Sep 1994 17:04:16 GMT
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For those of you interested, this is what I found out about Maple V for
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Linux. Egads - $595(US)...
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Message-Id: <n1431468344.18093@qmgate.maplesoft.on.ca>
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Date: 27 Sep 1994 08:18:44 -0500
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From: "Stefanie Dietrich" <sdietrich@maplesoft.on.ca>
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Subject: Re: FWD>Maple for Linux
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To: "Steve Weibel" <spw@bubot2.bu.edu>
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X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP/QM 3.0.0
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Status: R
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Waterloo Maple Software RE>FWD>Maple for Linux
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Dear Steve,
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****************************************************************
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Maple V Release 3 and Linux
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****************************************************************
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Thank you for your message indicating your interest in Maple for Linux.
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Waterloo Maple Software has recently completed a port to the Linux operating
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system and the product is now available for shipping.
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Maple was compiled under Linux kernel 1.0. Disk space use is standard
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for a UNIX port: 30 MB. If the user is running X and xmaple, then 8 MB
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of RAM are essential.
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The academic price for a single copy of Linux is $595.00 (US)
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If you have any further questions please feel free to contact us.
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|\^/| Waterloo Maple Software
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._|\| |/|_. 450 Phillip Street
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\ MAPLE / Waterloo, Ontario
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<____ ____> CANADA N2L 5J2
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| Tel: (519) 747-2373
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Fax: (519) 747-5284
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E-mail: info@maplesoft.on.ca
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*******************************************************************
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Date: 9/26/94 09:16 AM
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To: Stefanie Dietrich
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From: Info general
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=======================================================================
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I don't know... When I can pick up a student version of Mathematica for
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Windows at the bookstore for $160, I'm tempted to keep my DOS partition.
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Steve Weibel
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From: dbelliz@gomez.sc.intel.com (David W Bellizzi)
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Subject: Re: Linux & Netware.
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Date: Tue, 27 Sep 94 09:59:42 -0800
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I was reading in the NET2 HOWTO that someone has a
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package out for connecting DOS workstations to Linux
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/Unix workstation/servers. It was call something
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like Sams Own Server System (SOSS). I however use
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Novells LanWorkplace for DOS/Windows which works
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great. This package lets you telnet/ftp in DOS or
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Windows and also comes with a host of other utils
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like rsh. One of the coolest apps it gives you
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is a Windows drag and drop ftp. To get to Netware
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from my Linux system I run a small Windows background
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FTP server which lets me FTP from my Linux system and
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see all the attached drives of my Windows system. Lan
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Workplace is buck though..around $300 per node. Hopes this
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helps out
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-DB-
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From: paul@mtnmath.mtnmath.com (Paul Budnik)
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Crossposted-To: comp.dsp,comp.lang.c++,gnu.misc.discuss
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Subject: Application oriented languages, Was: Why you should not use Tcl
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Date: 27 Sep 1994 12:32:57 -0700
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Paul Alexander (pa@mrao.cam.ac.uk) writes:
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[...]
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: I am a fairly late convert to the
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: strengths of multi-language programming in a single application, but
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: now converted I would never go back to my old ways. It is essential to
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: remember that most people using computers are not programmers at all; this
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: is now true even in a physics lab and has been brought about by the excellence
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: of special purpose languages (mostly now Maple and Mathematica!!). I write
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: applications for this audience and they demand applications which have
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: an easy to learn extension language. Tcl is ideal for this, its simplicity
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: of syntax (it IS for non-programmers who have never seen C!) makes it very
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: popular among USERS.
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C++ provides an interesting way to address this. The language is internally
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extensible. Thus one can define a matrix class and define the standard
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operators: +, -, * etc to be the standard operations on matrices. That
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is the approach I adopted in ObjectProDSP. Rather than create a new
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language for defining Digital Signal Processing (DSP) networks I used the
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internal extension capabilities of C++.
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This approach does not force one to use a compiler. I wrote an interpreter
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for a fragment of C++ that allows one to use this language interactively.
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Then I provided facilities for creating and editing networks using menus
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and the mouse. These actions generate statements in this DSP language
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and those statements are interpreted interactively to create DSP nodes
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and edit them into a network. A user can start with only knowing about
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menus and which mouse buttons to click to edit a network. This is all
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she needs to fully use my tool. If she wants she can quickly
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come to understand the DSP language statements that are generated (and
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can be displayed) when she edits a DSP network graphically. In many cases
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it can be quicker to write this code directly rather then play with
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the mouse and menus. This code no matter how it is created and no
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matter how little the user knows about C++ is syntactically correct
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C++ code.
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With this approach I have defined an application oriented language that is
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easy and natural for people working in DSP to understand and use. Because
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it is done in the framework of C++ it can be extended to support anything
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that can be supported in C++. If you start with a lesser framework you are
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almost certainly going to adopt syntax conventions that sooner or later will
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come to haunt you and limit the extensibility of your language.
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Of course C++ is not an ideal language and Richard Stallman is critical
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of its syntax just as he is critical of Tcl. Bjare Stoustup made a deliberate
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decision in designing C++ to maintain nearly complete upward compatibility
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with C. The result is a syntax that is not ideal but has been of enormous
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practical value.
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C++ may not be the perfect foundation for application oriented languages
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but it is the best practical foundation we have today. It is a foundation
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that allows the language to grow indefinitely and still maintain a reasonably
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clean structure. This is an essential element if a language is to grow over
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time to include more applications and more sophisticated operations in
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the applications it addresses.
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The architecture of ObjectProDSP and ObjectPro++ were designed to support
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such indefinite extensibility. The challenge is not to provide a language
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that addresses a single application area but to provide a framework for
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integrating many application areas so they work together. We need to do
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this in a way that each application has a language that is natural and
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intuitive for those working in that area. That is the problem I was
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addressing and why I choose C++ as a foundation for my application language.
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Paul Budnik
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ObjectProDSP and ObjectPro++ are available at:
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tsx-11.mit.edu directory /pub/linux/packages/dsp
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SunSITE.unc.edu directory /pub/Linux/devel/opd
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ftp.funet.fi directory /pub/OS/Linux/util/electronics/opd
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Please use the mirror site nearest you.
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.periphs.scsi
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From: jeffpk@netcom.com (Jeff Kesselman)
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Subject: Re: Summary: SCSI and IDE working together (MS-DOS/Win & Linux)
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Date: Sun, 25 Sep 1994 07:46:20 GMT
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I think I'm 130B user mentioned. I just wanted to note that this was an
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issue with the ncr5380 driver, NOT with combining the SCSI with the IDE.
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That combination in general should add no more complexities beyond your
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making sure that you don't conflict addresses or IRQs (I'm runnign the
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130B IRQ-less, so its a non-issue for me...)
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Jeff Kesselman
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From: arnholt@mayo.edu (Jeff Arnholt)
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Subject: SCO WordPerfect: does it run on Linux?
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Date: 24 Sep 1994 20:27:53 GMT
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Reply-To: arnholt@mayo.edu
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I use WP at work on a SparcStation. I use WP under Windows
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at home. WP is the only utility I'm missing from my
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Linux arsenal. Questions: does it run under Linux? What problems
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have people encountered? Would anybody recommend it?
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I should sadly note that the Windows version is much faster
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than the SparcStation (the Sun having >3x mips), but of course not as
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reliable. I'd guess that SCO WP is like molasses.
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I'd appreciate any comments, preferably mail (arnholt@mayo.edu)
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Many thanks.
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---
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Jeff Arnholt: mail arnholt@mayo.edu
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Mayo Medical and Graduate Schools
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200 1st St. SW, Rochester, MN 55905
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From: pburgess@netcom.com (Phillip Burgess)
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Subject: Linux & IBM Thinkpad 500?
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Date: Sun, 25 Sep 1994 07:59:50 GMT
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Many thanks to all who sent me mail regarding my earlier query regarding
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Linux and subnotebook machines in general. I've pretty much narrowed my
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choices to two machines (based mostly on budget): The Toshiba T3400 and
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the IBM Thinkpad 500.
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The Toshiba does look good. I've seen it for about $1050 (or $900 for a
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refurbished unit), it seems peppy & has a good warranty, and most importatly
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I've heard from someone who is running Linux on it already, so I know that
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part works.
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I've seen the Thinkpad 500 for around $1000 ($800 used) in a 4MB/170MB
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configuration. The cheaper price and extra 50 megs of HD are nice (as is
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the angular black case), but I have not been able to find one of these
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machines in person, and I haven't heard from anyone running Linux on this
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specific Thinkpad model (though the Installation HOWTO does mention
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Thinkpads in general). I'm mainly concerned with the screen controls, which
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are buttons rather than sliders, and might be under the influence of software.
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If you've seen or used Linux on this machine, or just have some more general
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data you'd be willing to share, e-mail would be infinitely appreciated.
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--
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Phillip Burgess (pburgess@netcom.com) >belch<
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From: drew@frisbee.cs.Colorado.EDU (Drew Eckhardt)
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Subject: Re: Beers for Linus (was: Contrib. $s for Linux Dev)
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Date: 27 Sep 1994 17:12:03 GMT
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In article <368s4h$1n7@kubds1.kub.nl>, J.J. Paijmans <paai@kub.nl> wrote:
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>In article <3674l8$5up@csnews.cs.Colorado.EDU> drew@frisbee.cs.Colorado.EDU (Drew Eckhardt) writes:
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>>
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>>For light beers, I'd have to go with Sierra Nevada Pale,
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>>the Walnut Brewery's Buffalo Gold Ale, or Breckenridge Brewery's
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>>India Pale Ale.
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>
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>Are those the pilsener type beers? (Lager, I think in Anglo Saxon
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>speech).
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Nope, they're all ales (albeit pale ones).
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--
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Since our leaders won't respect The Constitution, the highest law of our
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country, you can't expect them to obey lesser laws of any country.
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Boycott the United States until this changes.
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From: miguel@dt.fee.unicamp.br (Miguel A. Rozsas)
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Subject: Commercial software for Linux
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Date: 27 Sep 1994 11:06:42 -0500
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Hi !
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I would like to know about commercial software for Linux.
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I am looking for a SQL Database Manager and a COBOL compiler. Exists in PDS and proprietary solution ? Anyone can point me a anonymous ftp address that have Linux software ?
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Thanks a lot,
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From: rossn@unbc.edu (Ross Niebergall)
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Subject: Re: Maple V for Linux
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Date: 27 Sep 1994 13:21:34 -0700
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In article <369jag$rp@news.bu.edu> spw@chamois.bu.edu (Steve Weibel) writes:
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>
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>
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>I don't know... When I can pick up a student version of Mathematica for
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>Windows at the bookstore for $160, I'm tempted to keep my DOS partition.
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>
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The student version of Maple for Windows is generally available
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for CDN$100.
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You should note that the price that was quoted for Maple for Linux
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was not the student version.
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Ross
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From: rtm@sabine.acs.psu.edu (Ralph T. Muehleisen)
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Subject: Re: Maple V for linux!
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Date: 27 Sep 1994 20:36:13 GMT
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This is the message I got from maplesoft about Maple V pricing
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RE>Price and availability of Maple for Linux
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Maple V for the Linux System became available August 31, 1994. The cost of
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Maple V is $795.00 (US). Academic discount is $595.00 (US).
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Linux Requirements:
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Maple was complied under Linix kernel 1.0. Disk space use is standard
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for a UNIX port: 30 MB. If the user is running X and xmaple, then 8 MB
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of RAM are essential.
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Sincerely yours,
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Tim Brown, Account Manager
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Waterloo Maple Software
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|\^/| 450 Phillip Street
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._|\| |/|_. Waterloo, Ontario
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\ MAPLE / CANADA N2L 5J2
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<____ ____> Tel: (519) 747-2373
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| 1-800-267-6583 (North America)
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Fax: (519) 747-5284
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Email: tbrown@maplesoft.on.ca
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---
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Ralph Muehleisen
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Graduate Student in the Graduate Program in Acoustics at Penn State
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Just learnin' to quiet down ducts...
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It's a bird! It's a plane! It's a (quack) ... duct!
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Ralph Muehleisen (rtm@sabine.acs.psu.edu)
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phone (814-865-0422)
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fax (814-865-3119)
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===============================================
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From: mwikholm@at8.abo.fi (Mats 'MaDsen' Wikholm)
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Subject: Re: Beers for Linus (was: Contrib. $s for Linux Dev)
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Date: Tue, 27 Sep 1994 20:25:37 GMT
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In article <368s4h$1n7@kubds1.kub.nl> paai@kub.nl (J.J. Paijmans) writes:
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>Aside from all that: does anybody know what is involved in getting
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>bottles with beer to Finland? I understand that the customs over there
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>put so much tax on it that you'd better invite him over to Holland.
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>Still I'd want to make a gesture.
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You might try sending it with the contents described as 'dirty
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underwear' or something like that, then they wont open the package in
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customs. Be sure to wrap the bottles up in something so that they
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don't make any sound (or break) when the package is rattled... :)
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>(One of the obvious things to work on is electronic transmission
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>of bottles & alcoholic contents by internet)
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If you manage this, let me know, cause I'd like to download pizza! (I
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know there's already the Pizza Hut WWW but they dont deliver to <20>bo,
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Finland :-( )
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--
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. . . . mwikholm@at8.abo.fi / frantzgatan 3 E 25
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. . . @358.(9)21.377.363 / 20380 <20>bo finland
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. . Linux, the way to get rid of boot viruses
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. <a href="http://at8.abo.fi/~mwikholm">my homepage</a>
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From: gevel@kub.nl (Rutger van de GeVEL)
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Subject: Re: LILO
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Date: 27 Sep 1994 10:56:04 GMT
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Reply-To: rutger@kub.nl
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Tom Barringer (tomb@bedford.progress.COM) wrote:
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: In article <CwE3r8.KH@nvl.army.mil>, cburnett@nvl.army.mil (Chris Burnette)
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: writes:
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: |>
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: |> Anyone know of a way to make LILO boot up DOS on default instead of
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: |> Linux?
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: Edit your /etc/lilo.conf file.
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: The file contains 3-line descriptions of each bootable partition.
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: (Lines starting with a hash mark '#' are comments.)
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: The partition listed first is the one which will boot by default.
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I remember that some old version of lilo had a feature that the last
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booted operating system would continue to boot until a different OS was
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selected. The new version of lilo doesn't seem to have this feature any
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more. I liked this feature, and I would like to use it again: any ideas
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anyone?
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--
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+--------------------------------------------------------------------------+
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| "Hey Worf, have you eaten any good books lately?" - Q in "Deja Q" ST:TNG |
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| MIME Messages are welcome -- PGP Public Key available via PGP Servers -- |
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+--------------------------------------------------------------------------+
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From: jnipp@unix.cc.emory.edu (Jeffrey Nipp)
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Subject: Re: Emacs & latex for thesis
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Date: 27 Sep 1994 17:32:33 GMT
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Ok, so what have we learned here? The software package you are used to
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is the best package for doing productive work, as long as it can handle
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the task at hand. Simple enough.
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TTFN
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JKN
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From: DABOUS@CHIP.FNAL.GOV
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
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Subject: pkzip for dos?
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Date: 27 Sep 1994 15:57:05 -0500
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Hi All,
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Does Linux have a utility to pkunzip DOS .zip files? If yes, would
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you tell what site it is on?
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Thank you.
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dabous@fnal.gov
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.admin
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From: bart@dunedin.es.co.nz (Bart Kindt)
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Subject: 16 Port Board: Which model and where??
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Date: Wed, 28 Sep 1994 16:29:01 GMT
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Hi! I have to set up a 16 port Dial-In terminal server. For this, I need a
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Linux compatible 16 (serial) Port PC board. I have read about boards with the
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name BOCA, but is this the only one I can use?
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And more important, where can I buy one, as cheap as possible? I am in New
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Zealand, and they are *not* available here.
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Any info and suggestions would be very much appreciated!
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Please reply be E-Mail !
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Thanks very much,
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Bart.
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Bart Kindt (ZL4FOX) System Operator, Efficient Software NZ LTD, Dunedin, New Zealand
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From: rna@leland.Stanford.EDU (Robert Ashcroft)
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Subject: Re: Is Linux faster than Os/2? Please help.
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Date: 27 Sep 1994 17:38:11 GMT
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Not that I know of. You want to visit a bookstore and get one of the books
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on Latex and Tex. Which one, I'm not sure, since the book by Leslie Lamport
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on Latex is a bit useless.
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RNA
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In article <Cws7BF.HC8@nl.oracle.com>,
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Robert Gasch <rgasch@nl.oracle.com> wrote:
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>All this discussion of Tex is making me curious: Is there an online
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>tuorial or guide detailing it's features available?
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>
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>Thanks for any pointers
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>--> robert
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>PS: I know what it is but have no clue how to use it.
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>
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>
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>Robert Ashcroft (rna@leland.Stanford.EDU) wrote:
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>: In article <35r1n8$8e5@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu>,
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>: Jeffrey Nipp <jnipp@unix.cc.emory.edu> wrote:
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>: >The real question is: Why would you want to write a THESIS on emax and
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>: >latex? There are many comercial products which are much better suited to
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>: >that particular task which will run native under OS/2 or in a dos or
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>: >windows box under OS/2 and give much better performance than the unix
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>: >programs you mention.
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>
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>: Uh, I've known numerous people who have written theses, and almost all
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>: of them used Latex or Tex or something, and most of those used Emacs
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>: while doing so. The only exception being a marketing weenie I know who
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>: wrote his thesis in MS Word on a ****ing Macintosh...
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>
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>: And I'm using Latex and Emacs (with Auctex! Very nice package that
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>: more or less integrates the two) for my thesis.
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>
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>: I've yet to see nicer looking math output than Tex and Latex. There is
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>: a ton of stuff available for it too, just check out the Tex newsgroup
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>: faqs sometime.
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>
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>: RNA
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Subject: Re: Time Screws up w/ Linux
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From: shaker@latcs1.lat.oz.au (Kamal Shaker)
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Date: Sat, 24 Sep 1994 00:00:04 GMT
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Spencer PriceNash (spencer@montego.umcc.umich.edu) wrote:
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: In article <1994Sep16.064006.246@huiac.apana.org.au>,
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: John Pearson <john@huiac.apana.org.au> wrote:
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: >adamsvm@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu (Vaughn Adams) writes:
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: >
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: >> I have had this problem for a while and never bothered to resolve it.
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: >>Now that I need cron, I need to get it fixd. Everytime I boot Linux, my i
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: >>clock screws up. THe time is always off, but the date is ok. This doesn't
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: >>happen with any other OS that I have run on the computer. I am runnin
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: >>Slackware 1.2 with a couple of dirrerent kernels. it seems to be kernel
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: >>independant.
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Ha! You think you have problems, everytime I boot to linux it
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sets the date to April!! I have no idea about this, but OS/2
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and Dos don't do anything like this....
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Kamal.
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--
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==============================================================================
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Kamal Shaker, | cscks@luxor.latrobe.edu.au or shaker@latcs1.lat.oz.au
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Student Vax Cluster, | %SYSTEM-F-EXQUOTA, alcohol quota exceeded,
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La Trobe Uni, | stomach dumped. (Using OS/2 2.1, and loving it!)
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From: craig@enterprise (Craig S. Maloney)
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Subject: Re: Beers for Linus (was: Contrib. $s for Linux Dev)
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Date: 27 Sep 1994 18:13:29 GMT
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On Tue, 27 Sep 1994 14:17:52 GMT David K. Merriman (merriman@metronet.com) wrote the following...
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:>In article <368s4h$1n7@kubds1.kub.nl> paai@kub.nl (J.J. Paijmans) writes:
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:>>Aside from all that: does anybody know what is involved in getting
|
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:>>bottles with beer to Finland? I understand that the customs over there
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:>>put so much tax on it that you'd better invite him over to Holland.
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:>>Still I'd want to make a gesture.
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:>>(One of the obvious things to work on is electronic transmission
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:>>of bottles & alcoholic contents by internet)
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:>You mean uuencoding or MIME don't work? Bummer.
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:>:-)
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:>Dave Merriman
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Best watch out for us Americans... Someone might just MIME over a case of
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"Miller Lite". (American Term for Beer without the Beer taste)
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--
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Craig
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=============================================================================
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Craig Maloney | Engineering Computer Center
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Supervisor | Wayne State University
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PC/Mac Systems, College of Engineering | 5050 Anthony Wayne Drive
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Internet: craig@enterprise.eng.wayne.edu| Detroit, MI 48202
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Phone : 313-577-5789 | USA.
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