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From: Digestifier <Linux-Misc-Request@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu>
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To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Reply-To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Date: Sat, 1 Oct 94 02:13:09 EDT
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Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #854
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Linux-Misc Digest #854, Volume #2 Sat, 1 Oct 94 02:13:09 EDT
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Contents:
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Re: Linux goes commercial (Peter Mutsaers)
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ObjectBuilder problem, ... (Dongxiao Yue)
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Linux counter: There are 7808 registered Linux users (Harald.T.Alvestrand@uninett.no)
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New User HOWTO proposal (David K. Merriman)
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Re: pkzip for dos? (NightHawk)
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Re: Maple V for linux! (William Huang)
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Re: Special Sale On QNX! (Aaron K. Michalove)
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Re: New Linux Distribution (David - Morris)
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Re: running linux from cdrom (Erik Ratcliffe)
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Re: New User HOWTO proposal (David K. Merriman)
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Re: 286 telnet P5 with Linux? (Info Monger)
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From: plm@atcmp.nl (Peter Mutsaers)
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Subject: Re: Linux goes commercial
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Date: Fri, 30 Sep 1994 16:58:37 GMT
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>> On 27 Sep 1994 10:54:58 GMT, c-clark@freenet2.scri.fsu.edu (Champ
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>> Clark) said:
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CC> My boss swears up and down that he read somewhere that Linux
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CC> is no longer going to be a "free" (when I say that, I mean,
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CC> you dont have to buy it.. you can FTP it) anymore. He states
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CC> that the author (linus) has decided to make "linux" a commerical
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CC> product. I told him that I though this was odd, and i figured
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Apperently your boss projects his own evilness on every other person.
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Apart from that, the whole Linux OS is made up of so many components
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of so many people that noone could ever decide to make it
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commercial. It is too much a joint 'net' project/effort.
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--
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Peter Mutsaers | AT Computing bv, P.O. Box 1428,
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plm@atcmp.nl | 6501 BK Nijmegen, The Netherlands
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tel. work: +31 (0)80 527248 |
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tel. home: +31 (0)3405 71093 | "... En..., doet ie het al?"
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
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From: dyue@mega.cs.umn.edu (Dongxiao Yue)
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Subject: ObjectBuilder problem, ...
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Date: Wed, 28 Sep 1994 04:41:30 GMT
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Hi, folks,
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I just installed OI for Linux, the thing does not look pretty as
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a Motif-like application(maybe I do not know where are the resources to set),
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another serious problem is:
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with the default settings, all the dialogs do not have a title bar
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added by the window manager(Fvwm), so i can not move the palete dialog
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and all the other stuff poped-up.
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Is there a way to tell the Fvwm to add the title bar? I checked
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the file uib.cf but found nothing.
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Dongxiao
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From: Harald.T.Alvestrand@uninett.no
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Subject: Linux counter: There are 7808 registered Linux users
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Date: 1 Oct 1994 03:00:05 +0100
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This is the monthly report from the Linux Usage Counter.
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It is posted on the 1st of every month on the newsgroup
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comp.os.linux.misc
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An uptodate version is always available by anonymous FTP from
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ftp://aun.uninett.no/pub/misc/linux-counter, together with other
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reports based on the same material.
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To enter your registration into the statistics, send an E-mail to
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linux-counter@uninett.no, with the SUBJECT line being one of
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I use Linux at home
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I use Linux at work
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I use Linux at school
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The reply will contain information about how to register more
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information about yourself, your machine and your friends, if you
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want to.
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If you can't do FTP, you can get the reports by sending the counter
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an E-mail containing in the BODY one of the lines
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//REPORT short
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//REPORT persons
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//REPORT machines
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//HELP
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Any questions should be adressed to the maintainer of the counter,
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Harald.T.Alvestrand@uninett.no
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Good luck!
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=================================================================
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Status of the Linux counter, as of Sat Oct 1 01:01:19 MET 1994
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There are 7808 registered Linux users
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I estimate this as being between 0.2 and 5% of the total number of Linux users,
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giving the total community size something between 156.160 and 3.904.000 members.
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See the file README.ESTIMATES for the details of why I think so.
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PLACES WHERE LINUX IS USED
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Self Other Sum %Sum Place
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5897 85 5982 76% home
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1880 48 1928 24% work
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225 513 738 9% school
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583 52 635 8% somewhere
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59 0 59 0% not used
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7181 686 7867 100% TOTAL
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NOTE: Some people use Linux in multiple places, so the total is not
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the sum of the columns.
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COUNTRIES WHERE LINUX IS USED
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Country Self Other Sum MPop Linux/M
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1 is Iceland 12 0 12 0.3 46.0
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2 fi Finland 225 0 225 5.0 45.0
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3 no Norway 140 0 140 4.3 32.6
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4 nl Netherlands 303 2 305 14.9 20.3
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5 dk Denmark 103 1 104 5.1 20.2
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6 se Sweden 156 2 158 8.6 18.1
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7 au Australia 267 4 271 17.1 15.6
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8 de Germany 1045 11 1056 79.1 13.2
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9 ca Canada 350 22 372 26.6 13.2
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10 at Austria 94 11 105 7.6 12.4
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11 us USA 2962 52 3014 249.6 11.9
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12 ch Switzerland 74 0 74 6.7 11.0
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13 si Slovenia 19 1 20 2.0 9.7
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14 gb Great Britain 402 10 412 57.2 7.0
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15 ie Ireland 23 0 23 3.5 6.6
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16 be Belgium 58 506 564 9.9 5.9
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17 nz New Zealand 19 2 21 3.4 5.6
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18 lu Luxembourg 2 0 2 0.4 5.1
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19 ee Estonia 8 4 12 1.6 5.0
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20 fr France 254 14 268 56.2 4.5
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21 il Israel 19 0 19 6.3 3.0
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22 sg Singapore 8 0 8 2.7 3.0
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23 hk Hong Kong 16 0 16 5.9 2.7
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24 hu Hungary 18 0 18 10.5 1.7
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25 cr Costa Rica 5 0 5 3.1 1.6
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26 it Italy 89 0 89 57.7 1.5
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27 pt Portugal 15 2 17 10.3 1.5
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28 gr Greece 14 0 14 10.1 1.4
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29 cz Czech Rebublic 13 0 13 10.0 1.3
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30 za South Africa 39 0 39 30.2 1.3
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31 hr Croatia 6 0 6 4.8 1.3
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32 es Spain 49 5 54 39.5 1.2
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33 cl Chile 16 0 16 13.5 1.2
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34 jp Japan 140 0 140 123.3 1.1
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35 tw Taiwan 21 0 21 20.3 1.0
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36 na Namibia 1 0 1 1.5 0.7
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37 pr Puerto Rico 2 0 2 3.8 0.5
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38 pl Poland 17 8 25 38.4 0.4
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39 sk Slovakia 2 1 3 5.4 0.4
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40 kr Korea (South) 14 0 14 43.1 0.3
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41 uy Uruguay 1 0 1 3.2 0.3
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42 ro Romania 7 0 7 23.2 0.3
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43 lb Lebanon 1 0 1 3.6 0.3
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44 ve Venezuela 5 0 5 20.1 0.2
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45 ar Argentine 6 0 6 32.7 0.2
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46 my Malaysia 3 0 3 18.0 0.2
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47 ua Ukraine 6 0 6 51.9 0.1
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48 su Soviet Union (former) 17 3 20 147.4 0.1
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49 bg Bulgaria 1 0 1 8.8 0.1
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50 br Brazil 16 3 19 158.2 0.1
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51 by Belarus 1 0 1 10.4 0.1
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52 co Colombia 3 0 3 34.3 0.1
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53 mx Mexico 6 3 9 81.4 0.1
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54 th Thailand 4 0 4 57.6 0.1
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55 cs Czechoslovakia (former) 1 0 1 15.7 0.1
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56 ph Philippines 3 0 3 68.5 0.0
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57 xe Europe (Somewhere in it) 11 0 11 320.0 0.0
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58 tr Turkey 1 0 1 60.9 0.0
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59 in India 5 0 5 844.0 0.0
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60 id Indonesia 1 0 1 197.2 0.0
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61 xw The World (Somewhere in i 2 0 2 5000.0 0.0
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62 xx Unknown 1 19 20 5000.0 0.0
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From: merriman@metronet.com (David K. Merriman)
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Subject: New User HOWTO proposal
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Date: Wed, 28 Sep 1994 03:59:38 GMT
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In light of the experiences I've had getting Linux installed and configured,
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I'd like to offer to write a Linux New Users HOWTO.
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I'm thinking that it could contain those little gems of wisdom that the
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experienced user has learned (like how to scroll back the boot screen(s)),
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what the different files are, and what their significance is, what programs in
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a "base" installation (broken down by disksets a, ap, d, i, n, t) do what (and
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how to invoke them - ie, what is bash/csh/man/etc.; "PICO is a basic text
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editor, similar to the MSDOS EDIT program. To start using it, enter
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the line 'pico <filename>'; additional options will be displayed at the bottom
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of the screen. Text entered is stored in memory only, and you *must* save the
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buffer to a file to save the text you've entered." ), what the system files
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are and what their contents mean (rc.K, rc.M, etc), how to decide what actions
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to take when (when to make the kernel? how to automate stuff like mounting
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floppies/cdroms, etc), and so on. I see it as being cross-referenced, not
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only internally, but to the other HOWTO's, indexed, the whole thing. I know
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that some of the stuff I'm asking for already exists - to some degree - in
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other HOWTOs; much of it is buried or expressed in different terms and phrases
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that don't have quite the same meaning to a new user. I'd like to have a try
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at changing that :-)
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As a recent convert from the messydos/WinDoze world, with minimal Unix
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experience, I was hoping to find such a file to - as I put it - "hold my hand"
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as I was led into the Linux world.
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It didn't exist, so I'd like to offer to be the one to create it.
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I expect that some might scoff, but hopefully, enough of you will remember
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what it was like the first time *you* were stuck in front of a Linux or Unix
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box - and were thoroughly baffled by it, and didn't know quite where to start.
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I doubt that I'll be able to attribute everyone's specific contributions, but
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I will make it more than clear that the file is *not* mine, other than as the
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one who pieced it together :-)
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Please email your tips, tricks, or anything else that you've had to tell
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another Unix/Linux newbie. Remember, it's up to you to explain things in
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kindergarden terms for us newbies, so code should be *heavily* commented,
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tips/tricks should be clearly explained as to function and method, and so on.
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Thanks!
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Dave Merriman
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merriman@metronet.com
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From: fsosi@j51.com (NightHawk)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
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Subject: Re: pkzip for dos?
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Date: 27 Sep 1994 23:48:13 -0400
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DABOUS@CHIP.FNAL.GOV wrote:
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: Hi All,
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: Does Linux have a utility to pkunzip DOS .zip files? If yes, would
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Yes.
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: you tell what site it is on?
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I think I got mine from gatekeeper.dec.com.
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: Thank you.
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: dabous@fnal.gov
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From: wyhuang@sdcc15.ucsd.edu (William Huang)
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Subject: Re: Maple V for linux!
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Date: 28 Sep 94 07:28:17 GMT
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In article <1994Sep27.003555.1874@escape.widomaker.com> shendrix@escape.widomaker.com (Shannon Hendrix) writes:
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!swein@csc.albany.edu (Scott Weinstein) writes:
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!
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!>I havn't seen anything on the newsgroups about this... Maple V is
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!>available for Linux. It looks and runs just like the Solaris version.
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!>The binaries are not staticly linked and the entire installation takes
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!>up 24 MB. I'm impressed.
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!
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I'll be really impressed when they get Matlab working for Linux.
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
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From: amichalo@liberty.uc.wlu.edu (Aaron K. Michalove)
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Subject: Re: Special Sale On QNX!
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Date: Fri, 30 Sep 1994 05:26:46 GMT
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: knowledgable and go the extra mile for the sale. And, we promise to BEAT
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: ANYONE'S PRICE! A complete QNX developer's package starts at just $195!
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You "BEAT ANYONE'S PRICE" huh? Beat Linux's then..PAY me to use it.
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-Aaron
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From: dwm@shell.portal.com (David - Morris)
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Subject: Re: New Linux Distribution
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Date: 29 Sep 1994 07:24:12 GMT
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>Juana Moreno (madrid@gandalf.rutgers.edu) wrote:
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>:[...]
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>: My distribution, tentatively called "WIn-dos Transition" (WIT), would have
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>: the following features:
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Seems to me that if someone is going to invest time in making it easier
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to initially access linux, the effort would be better spent in improving
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an existing distribution such as the Yggdrisil Plug&Play approach.
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It will run from the provided boot floppy and cd-rom. The curious can
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try it, see if their hardware will be easily supported.
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Some kind of file system emulated via a DOS file so that config data and
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user home directories could be preserved w/o worry about harddrive space,
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partitions, etc. Same for SWAP space if required.
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Yggdrisill still requires a few arcane decisions and some help getting
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X started.
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All the basic function could be present, just slow. AND when ready, the
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user has everything in hand to install the 'real' thing.
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From: erat@netcom.com (Erik Ratcliffe)
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Subject: Re: running linux from cdrom
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Date: Wed, 28 Sep 1994 04:32:09 GMT
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Ludo Daemen (daemenl@Belgium.EU.net) wrote:
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: I'm new to the unix/linux world. I would like to give linux a try on my
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: machine. Only : I don't have 80 meg readily available on my drive to do a
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: full installation.
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: So : is it possible to keep part of the software on the distribution
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: CD-rom ??
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The Yggdrasil "Plug-and-Play" Linux CDROMs do just that; they allow
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you to install a small system on your hard drive, and the rest runs from the
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CD. Also, I think TransAmeritech has a CDROM of Linux that does the same
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thing. Either of these would probably do a sufficient job (one note,
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though: running programs from a CDROM that's double-speed or slower is
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ssslllooooooowwwwwwwwww... If you can handle the lack of speed without
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pulling your hair out, you'll be fine; otherwise, I'd fork out a couple
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hundred bucks and get another hard drive... :).
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I don't have the addresses/phone numbers for these companies handy,
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but if you need them, drop me some e-mail and I'll dig them up for you.
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| (0)(0) erat@netcom.com | "Drink up... Happy Hour is |
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| (oo) Greetings from fragrant | now enforced by law." |
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| =\/= Old Town Alexandria, VA (USA) | -- Dead Kennedys |
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From: merriman@metronet.com (David K. Merriman)
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Subject: Re: New User HOWTO proposal
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Date: Thu, 29 Sep 1994 05:33:53 GMT
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In article <1994Sep28.151109.15306@cs.cornell.edu> mdw@cs.cornell.edu (Matt Welsh) writes:
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>In article <merriman.20.015A5865@metronet.com> merriman@metronet.com (David
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K. Merriman) writes:>>In light of the experiences I've had getting Linux
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installed and configured, >>I'd like to offer to write a Linux New Users HOWTO.
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>Your idea is a good one, but I fear that such a HOWTO would be
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>extremely long. You want to cover everything from shells to
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>man pages to editors to kernel compliations. This is essentially
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>what has been done in the I&GS, which covers these things and more.
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>You can't condense this information considerably, and if you try
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>to do so you'll lose the content. What's wrong with the I&GS?
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I am not proposing to write the Ultimate Linux HOWTO; as I thought I made
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clear, I mean only to cover those items that come with a Linux "basic"
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installation. Further, I wouldn't want to try and give detailed explanations
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of how to use all the programs that are installed; rather, brief
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single-paragraph descriptions and how-to-start-it-the-first-time instructions
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would be the goal.
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As for the I&GS, it does *not* cover anything more than getting the most
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general and rudimentary Linux system installed. On the other hand, the rest
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of the HOWTOs are excellent for the areas *they* cover (and very well, from
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what I can tell - but I'm limited in my knowledge of Linux).
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Simply put, I'm proposing to generate a HOWTO to "bridge" between the I&GS,
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and the others, _briefly_ describe the _general_ function/purpose of the
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different applications (I installed the entire 4-disk AP set, and I'll be
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damned if I know what half that stuff is, or what it's for - I'm a _new user_;
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I don't *know* Unix/Linux yet. All I have is a Linux *system* to learn on),
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and give rudimentary instructions on how to start the program. I hold my own
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question about how to extract a tar file as an example: my own limited
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knowledge led me to think that the "f" command-line option would only be
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appropriate if reading from a tape device - that it wouldn't be needed if I
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specified the directory/file. Several kind folks pointed out my error, and
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how to correct it. Now why should some other newbie like myself have to go
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through the same thing? Or similar, with a different program/utility, when the
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absolute basic operations can be quickly and easily explained?
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As for making new kernels, I'd like to see something like a flowchart or
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cookbook approach: if This, then That, else the other Thing - if you did That,
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then you need to rebuild your kernel by doing a, b, c, d. I *precisely*
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followed the instructions in the Installation howto; but either some details
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were missing, or I didn't understand what I was supposed to be doing: I could
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boot off my hard drive or a floppy, but could *not* access the floppy drives
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or my soundblaster/cdrom. Going through other howto files,and following the
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instructions I could find, I tried editing some of the files, and remaking the
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kernel. Now the boot process stops after it configures the serial ports - and
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I mean _stops_ : I can enter text and such, but *never* get the prompt. So
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now I have to go back through and try to figure out where it's getting
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confused, and how to undo what I did wrong :-) I'd rather be actually *using*
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Linux for something, but if this turns out to help me learn more about it,
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then I can live with it; but it's time and effort expended that could be
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better spent on something more productive.
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>Miscellaneous tips, tricks, and so forth are already
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covered in the >Tips-HOWTO, by Vince reed (reedv@rpi.edu). Please send that
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information>to him. I'd rather see people updating the current HOWTOs instead
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>of trying to preempt what we already have.
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Again, I'm not proposing the Ultimate Guide; simply the kinds of things that a
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new user would find helpful - like using SHIFT-PAGEUP to scroll back
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through the boot screens (to try and find out where their bad kernel make
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went off into the weeds :-)
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The tips & tricks would be introduced at different points in the document -
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for example, the shift-pageup could be highlighted and placed right after a
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section on the kernel make sequence _and_ somewhere around a description of
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what all the boot messages mean. That way, they'd be more likely to be
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rememberd in the appropriate context.
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Simply put, I see the I&GS as the "bridge" between DOS/Windows/??? and Linux,
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and the other HOWTOs as roads to different places - I'm simply proposing to
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set up a stand at the end of the bridge, containing maps and directions, to
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help others that are new to the Land of Linux get started.
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Dave Merriman
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From: trowbrid@jakesys.sol.net (Info Monger)
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Subject: Re: 286 telnet P5 with Linux?
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Date: Wed, 28 Sep 1994 07:56:43 GMT
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Erik Mouw (jakmouw@et.tudelft.nl) wrote:
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: In article <1994Sep21.191611.22638@uxmail.ust.hk>, im_lwhab@uxmail.ust.hk (Lee Wai Han) writes:
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: > Is it worth to set up a 286 system to telnet to a P5(with Linux installed)
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: > to do somethings?
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: > What things can a 286 do with such connections?
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: > Do I have any better connection for choose?
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: > [ Say, null modem / terminal(?) ]
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: > If connecting a 286 didn't worth anything, how about a 386?
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: >
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: > Thank you in advance?
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: Depends on what you want to do. A 286 with NCSA telnet is something like
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: a Linux machine in text mode with virtual consoles. At home I have a 386
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: running Linux, a 286 running NCSA telnet and a VT100 connected to the
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: 386. I prefer the 286 with NCSA telnet as "second workplace" because of
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: the virtual consoles. The VT100 is only for emergency purposes, such as
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: killing processes (as root).
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: Erik
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: Erik Mouw, Department of Electrical Engineering,
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: Delft University of Technology, The Netherlands
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: email : JAKMouw@ET.TUDelft.NL
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: D O N ' T P A N I C !
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: --------------------------------------------------
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: Why did the Roman Empire collapse?
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: What is the Latin for office automation?
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Info Monger (alias: Tim J. Trowbridge [T.J.])
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