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From: Digestifier <Linux-Misc-Request@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu>
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To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Reply-To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Date: Wed, 5 Oct 94 02:13:08 EDT
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Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #880
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Linux-Misc Digest #880, Volume #2 Wed, 5 Oct 94 02:13:08 EDT
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Contents:
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Re: Novell unveils plan for Corsair (Russell Nelson)
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Re: Nailed down to 386bsd or linux, now which one? (Jerry W Johnson)
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Re: P5-90 MHz beats SGI R4000-100MHz. (Ove Hansen)
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Re: Play Audio CD's on Linux? (Harry C Pulley)
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Lilo booting last booted OS.
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Re: Support for more PS fonts under EZ (Terry Gliedt)
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Re: Linux vs NeXTSTEP (Thomas Gschwind)
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diamond stealth status? (Karl Rudnick)
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Re: Linux <-> Hurd (was: How Old Is Linus?) (Kevin K. Lewis)
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Re: Curious: Why is Linux DOOM so much slower than DOS doom (Thomas Gschwind)
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Re: diamond stealth status? (Dan Pop)
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Re: Linux on Pentium P90 PCI---which motherboard? (Kai Leibrandt)
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Re: Split this group! (.help) (Byron A Jeff)
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----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From: nelson@crynwr.crynwr.com (Russell Nelson)
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Subject: Re: Novell unveils plan for Corsair
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Date: 04 Oct 1994 15:14:41 GMT
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In article <36iisn$t4@gilligan.npeg.provo.novell.com> ron@novell.com (Ron Holt) writes:
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In article <35smlr$irk@clarknet.clark.net>, Marc Fraioli <mjf@clark.net> wrote:
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>The new CEO, Bob Frankenberg, is yet another
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>dull business man with no real interest in his industry.
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Not true. Running a billion dollar company is more complex that
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you paint it.
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But he shows no interest in opposing the 800lb gorilla. In fact, he's
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even trying to appease it. Yeah, like yr gonna run a NetWare server
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on NTAS.
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--
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-russ <nelson@crynwr.com> http://www.crynwr.com/crynwr/nelson.html
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Crynwr Software | Crynwr Software sells packet driver support | ask4 PGP key
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11 Grant St. | +1 315 268 1925 (9201 FAX) | What is thee doing about it?
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Potsdam, NY 13676 | LPF member - ask me about the harm software patents do.
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------------------------------
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From: jwjohn@ecst.csuchico.edu (Jerry W Johnson)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
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Subject: Re: Nailed down to 386bsd or linux, now which one?
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Date: 4 Oct 1994 07:31:49 GMT
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>>For a fun discussion of this, there is a series of articles were Linus
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>>and Andy Tanenbaum 'discussed' the merits of both of these when Linux
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>>was in it's infancy.
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>Might anyone have or know where these articles might be obtained,
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>please? Maybe a more detailed "when", too?
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Should anyone else care...
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The text of this thread is at sunsite.unc.edu
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pub/Linux/Incoming/linux_is_obsolete.txt.z
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Thanks to those who helped.
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I'm sure it's old news for the vets, but I found it interesting.
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Tanenbaum is quite the provocateur!
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Cheers, --Jerry
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--
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||=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-||"Thus, the claim about object orientation usually||
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||Jerry W. Johnson ||means only that their latest release was coded in||
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||jwjohn@ecst.csuchico.edu||C++. Big bloody deal." Yourdan,The Decline & Fall||
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From: ove@zombie.neu.sgi.com (Ove Hansen)
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Subject: Re: P5-90 MHz beats SGI R4000-100MHz.
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Date: 3 Oct 1994 02:42:14 GMT
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|> In article <CwLrz3.IKt@news.tudelft.nl>, stock@dutsh7.tudelft.nl (Robert
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|> Stockmann) writes:
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|> He your email adress is not valid! Ever tried to set up some
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|> intelligent
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|> networking (e.g. sub netting) from within the sysadmin X program on a
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|> Indy? it doesn't work. So I had to use a normal xterm and vi and some
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|> tough hacking in those over 500 lines long corrupted scripts (My Linux
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|> experience helped me out) to get it going...IRIX is certainly not my
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|> favorit UNIX...
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Maybe RTFM-ing some more would'ave helped - here's how you could'ave
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done it...
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# echo "netmask 0xffffff80" > /etc/config/ifconfig-1.options
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# /etc/init.d/network stop
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# /etc/init.d/network start
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Linux is very good - but not good enough yet to build a "corporate
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network". From my .sig you'll see that I'm somewhat biased - just FYI
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before flaming me - I'm running a large network of SGI machines, I've run
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large networks of Suns, VAXes and Macs - but I've also recommended and
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installed Dell Pentiums + Slackware to friends who needed enough bang but
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didn't have the bucks. Actually, I log in to and use one almost daily.
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*Very* nice indeed - five people on? Don't notice each other. Dead stable
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too (last downtime was planned - and note time before load average...):
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hal:~$ w
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3:37am up 14 days, 12:44, 6 users, load average: 0.01, 0.01, 0.01
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It'd make me throw out my PS/2 with Windows any day but you'll never ever
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see me swapping my Indy for it (DOOM runs well on SGIs too so... :-)
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--
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Ove Hansen - Network Administrator e-mail: ove@neu.sgi.com
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Silicon Graphics Manufacturing S.A. (Switzerland) Phone : (41-38) 433 535
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Chemin des Rochettes 2, CH-2016 Cortaillod Fax : (41-38) 433 900
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From: hpulley@uoguelph.ca (Harry C Pulley)
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Subject: Re: Play Audio CD's on Linux?
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Date: 3 Oct 1994 19:29:57 GMT
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Roy Donehower (donehower%DFCS@pcmail.usafa.af.mil) wrote:
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: In article <36hu3p$qea@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu> 6500boo@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (William Bushing) writes:
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: >OK, call me blind or stupid... flame me to your heart's content.
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: >I love Linux, but I haven't yet found out how to play audio CD's
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: >while operating under Linux. I grep'ed through all the documenta-
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: >tion I could see for anything on audio/CD, but could find nothing.
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: >I'd hate to return to DOS or, shudder, Windose just to be able to
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: >play music while I work. I know Linux can do it... my world would
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: >be complete with multiple windows multitasking PLUS music! Thanks
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: >in advance for any pointers.
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: Use the Linux/X-Windows program workman. I use it all the time
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: and it works great. Of course, you must have CD-ROM support
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: compiled into the Linux kernel.
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If you can't go into X for some reason there is also workbone, a stripped down
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text-mode version of workman.
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Harry
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--
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<:-{} hpulley@uoguelph.ca |This message released|It takes all kinds,
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\ Harry C. Pulley, IV |to the PUBLIC DOMAIN.|and to each his own.
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==================================+=====================|This thought in mind,
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Stay away from the DOS side, Luke!|Un*x don't play that.|I walk alone.
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From: rutger@arrakis.kub.nl ()
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Subject: Lilo booting last booted OS.
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Date: 4 Oct 1994 18:41:12 GMT
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Hi all,
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I would like to know if it is possible that Lilo will boot the last booted
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OS. E.g. if I boot Linux then Lilo will keep on booting linux 'till I select
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another OS (MS-Dos). I liked this feature in the SLS distribution (0.99.X),
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but it is gone in the slackware distribution.
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Suggestions anyone?
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Thanks in advance.
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Rutger
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From: tpg@MR.Net (Terry Gliedt)
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Subject: Re: Support for more PS fonts under EZ
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Date: 3 Oct 1994 15:41:55 -0500
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> The recent discussion here regarding Andrew EZ has reminded me of one
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> annoying shortcoming in that program-- its inability to make use of all
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> the Postscript fonts that may be available.
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As with most things in AUIS, its only a matter of knowing. Akex, if you
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want to contact me directly, I have some pointers to what needs to be
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changed. Maybe between us we can work this out and distribute AUIS
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which can print in all sorts of fonts. Looking forward to working with
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you on it.
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===================================================================
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Software Toolsmiths Terry Gliedt tpg@mr.net MIME OK 507-356-4710
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From: tom@csdec1.tuwien.ac.at (Thomas Gschwind)
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Subject: Re: Linux vs NeXTSTEP
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Date: 4 Oct 1994 15:51:01 GMT
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Dave Coons (davec@fa.disney.com) wrote:
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: Jason V Robertson (jr7877@eehpx12) wrote:
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: > [...]
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: NEXTSTEP is undeniably the finest operating system I have ever used.
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Oh yes, you can configure everything, being from the operations performed
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on the windows frame...
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: The user interface is intelligently thought out, the operating system is
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: object oriented from the ground up, and the application development tools
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: were the first of their kind. I have an original NeXT box on my desk
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The interface builder is not that beautiful, because if you like to
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(have to) do some things by hand (eg not drawing connections in the
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interface builder, instead setting them up within the source code),
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you'll have to do nearly everything by hand...
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: for doing day-to-day office tasks like mail, remote logins, word
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: processing and spreadsheets. I also upgraded a while back with their
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: NeXTdimension color card, which increases my workspace by adding a color
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: monitor (better for graphics) next to the original monochrome (better for
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: text). Operating System upgrades and Software installation are a snap.
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I am sure, that was a VERY CHEAP upgrade...
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: As for memory requirements, 8 megs is too little, 16 enough for most work,
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: and 32 is perfect. The 105 MB disks shipped with the newer workstations
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: was too small, but 330 MB can support the entire suite of development tools
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: and a few extras like Tetris.
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Thats the point 16meg is the limit, and Linux is flying on 16megs, and
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you really would not like to use it with 16meg! Especially you are
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developing a program (even a tiny one!). You have running:
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InterfaceBuilder
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ProjectBuilder
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gcc
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An Editor
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That uses nearly no memory ;-(
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: [Problem with card eliminated]
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: Ironically, since our new project required a PC and a custom processing
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: card, Linux was suggested by a co-worker and presents a serious challenge
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: to NEXTSTEP. It enjoys a rapidly widening user base and is at an exciting
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: time in its growth curve. Although I'm no fan of X, Linux provides as
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: generic a software platform as can be had, and all sorts of software is
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: supported. We also have quite a few in-house X applications that would
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: be nice to run without having to run an X server atop NeXT's Display
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: Postscript engine.
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There is just one thing I am missing in X: Drag&Drop
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However, it is not really necessary, it would make everything nicer;
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possibly easier for beginners.
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Tom
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--
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\|/ Thomas GSCHWIND, Student at Technische Universit<69>t WIEN
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(o o) email: tom@logic.tuwien.ac.at
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--oOo--(_)--oOo-- DOS is too DOSASTROUS for you? Try UN*X!
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Subject: diamond stealth status?
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From: Karl Rudnick <khr@trg.saic.com>
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Date: Tue, 04 Oct 1994 21:48:35 GMT
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Hi
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I'm new to this newsgroup and am contemplating a linux installation.
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I have a question regarding my video card, Diamond Stealth VRAM. I
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noticed in the How-To that this card is not supported by XFree86. I
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presume there is some commercial reason here? (pardon my naivete if
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this has been extensively discussed before).
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Presumably, I have 3 alternatives:
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1. Obtain an XFree86 driver from somewhere(one) else. Does one
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even exist?
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2. Get a commercial X-Server package which supports my card and
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works with linux.
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3. Trash my card and get a new one (about the same cost as 2?).
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I would appreciate any enlightenment, especially from someone who
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went through the same experience as I am about to undertake.
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Karl
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_______________________________________________________________________
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___
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Karl H. Rudnick khr@trg.saic.com
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e-mail
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Technology Research Group 619-546-6468
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voice
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Science Applications International Corporation 619-546-6587
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fax
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Mail Station C4, 10260 Campus Point Drive
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San Diego, CA 92121
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_______________________________________________________________________
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___
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From: lewikk@grasshopper.aud.alcatel.com (Kevin K. Lewis)
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Subject: Re: Linux <-> Hurd (was: How Old Is Linus?)
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Date: 03 Oct 1994 18:25:28 GMT
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In article <19941001024823.AAA7336@emile.math.ucsb.edu> boldt@math.ucsb.edu (Axel Boldt) writes:
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Jiann-Ming> Why would Linux go away?
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Hurd, maybe? Are they planning an 486 version at all?
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The initial target for the Hurd is 803+86 machines (and others have
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been added to the list: AXP, PowerPC, etc).
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--
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Kevin K. Lewis | My opinions may be unreasonable
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lewikk@aud.alcatel.com | but such is the voice of inspiration
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From: tom@csdec1.tuwien.ac.at (Thomas Gschwind)
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Subject: Re: Curious: Why is Linux DOOM so much slower than DOS doom
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Date: 4 Oct 1994 16:07:09 GMT
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Sujat Jamil (sujat@shasta.ee.umn.edu) wrote:
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: I'd really like to know why does Linux DOOM run significantly slower
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: on Linux than it does on DOS for the same machine. Is it because it
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: has to go through multiple layers of X and Linux? I've also played it
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: on a SGI workstation, where it is reasonably fast. Of course, the
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: machine also had a 150 MHz MIPS processor. Is there any way to
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: make doom run faster on Linux besides getting a faster machine?
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Kill everything, you do not need and if this is still to slow,
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than try renicing it, see man nice.
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--
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\|/ Thomas GSCHWIND, Student at Technische Universit<69>t WIEN
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(o o) email: tom@logic.tuwien.ac.at
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--oOo--(_)--oOo-- DOS is too DOSASTROUS for you? Try UN*X!
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From: danpop@cernapo.cern.ch (Dan Pop)
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Subject: Re: diamond stealth status?
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Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 00:38:18 GMT
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In <31381166@MVB.SAIC.COM> Karl Rudnick <khr@trg.saic.com> writes:
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>I'm new to this newsgroup and am contemplating a linux installation.
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>I have a question regarding my video card, Diamond Stealth VRAM. I
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>noticed in the How-To that this card is not supported by XFree86. I
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>presume there is some commercial reason here? (pardon my naivete if
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>this has been extensively discussed before).
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Contrary to popular belief, this kind of questions don't belong to
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this group (or any other Linux group). There is a special group,
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dedicated to XFree86 and named comp.windows.x.i386unix.
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>
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>Presumably, I have 3 alternatives:
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>
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> 1. Obtain an XFree86 driver from somewhere(one) else. Does one
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> even exist?
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>
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> 2. Get a commercial X-Server package which supports my card and
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> works with linux.
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>
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> 3. Trash my card and get a new one (about the same cost as 2?).
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I'm pretty sure you can get a cheaper supported card than a commercial
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X server. And I've never heard of commercial servers for Linux. I guess
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nobody dared to face the competition of XFree86 :-)
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4. Wait. From the recent announcement of XFree86 3.1:
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NOTE: The Diamond SpeedStar 24 (and possibly recent SpeedStar+) boards are
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NOT supported, even though they use the ET4000. The Stealth 32
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which uses the ET4000/W32p is also not supported. Historically
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the information required for this support was only available
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under non-disclosure. As of September 27, 1994, Diamond has
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verbally agreed to provide The XFree86 Project, Inc. with
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detailed information about Diamond products. This should permit
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us to better support these in future versions of XFree86.
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Dan
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--
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Dan Pop
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CERN, CN Division
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Email: danpop@cernapo.cern.ch
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Mail: CERN - PPE, Bat. 31 R-004, CH-1211 Geneve 23, Switzerland
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development
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From: Kai.Leibrandt@brunel.ac.uk (Kai Leibrandt)
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Subject: Re: Linux on Pentium P90 PCI---which motherboard?
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Date: Tue, 4 Oct 1994 18:49:04 GMT
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Mikael Lyngvig (milyng@netcom.com) wrote:
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: pratt@Sunburn.Stanford.EDU (Vaughan R. Pratt) writes:
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: I'm using a Zeos P90 PCI - it has only been a few days since I installed,
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: though. Seems like it runs just fine and smaller load on heavy tasks than
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: I get on NETCOM at 3:30 am ;) I haven't got X to run yet; xinit complains
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: about a missing config file. My configuration is:
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: Zeos P90, 16 MB RAM, 540 MB IDE HD & 340 MB IDE HD, Mitsumi CD-ROM (*),
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: 2 * 16550 serial ports, Phoenix BIOS (v4.0??), Diamond Stealth 64 (using
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: the S3 Vision 964 64-bit chip - not tested yet...), Practical Peripherals
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: PM14400FXMT modem - not tested yet), Microsoft mouse (not tested yet).
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: I been throught a lot of the standard Unix utils, and they all seem to run
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: just fine.
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: (*) The Mitsumi drive, as configured by Zeos, needs the command "mcd=0x310,10"
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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: when booting the Mitsumi kernel otherwise Linux won't recognize the drive.
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Try rebuilding your kernel, after having changed the IRQ and BASE_ADDR entries in
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/usr/src/linux/include/linux/mcd.h, to whatever you need them to be. You shouldn't
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need to manually tell the kernel what's where on rebooring after this.
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Hope this is any help,
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Kailee.
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--
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____________________________________________________________________
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Interaction Design Research
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____________________________________________________________________
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Kai Leibrandt BSc(Hons) Kai.Leibrandt@brunel.ac.uk
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From: byron@gemini.cc.gatech.edu (Byron A Jeff)
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Subject: Re: Split this group! (.help)
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Date: 2 Oct 1994 13:40:11 GMT
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In article <36k82v$ccg@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk>,
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Mr D R Barlow <xuuah@csv.warwick.ac.uk> wrote:
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-In article <36j3df$319@crl5.crl.com>,
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- itz@crl.com (Ian T. Zimmerman) writes:
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->
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->Folks, this newsgroup can net ~400 messages a day! That's just TOO
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->f#!@$#ing MANY! I vote will all my extremities to split.
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-
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-Into what? Maybe we could split into
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-comp.os.linux.help.havereadthefaq
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-comp.os.linux.help.lazy
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-comp.os.linux.help.hey-isnt-doom-great
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-
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-Problem is (can I remove a file called kcore in my 'proc' directory?)
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-the second would be declared bogus does to lack of traffic.
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-
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-Seriously. What do you suggest?
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It's actually worse than that. When you split into new groups people start
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posting new questions into those groups without regard for the title or
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the charter of the group. c.o.l.help is for questions, yet all the other
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groups have a bunch of questions posted into them.
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The bottom line is that we're being overwhelmed by loads of information:
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mostly FAQs, dozens of responses to the same question, and posts in
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inappropriate places. New groups will not solve the problem because they'll
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simply provide "new clean cultures for bacteria to grow".
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The solution in my opinion is three-fold:
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1) Don't create a whole bunch of new groups.
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2) Make all new groups moderated.
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3) Collapse admin into misc because they're not very much different anyway.
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Obviously the load of new group is too much for a human moderator to handle.
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So the groups should be moderated in the following manner.
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1) Program moderated. The program moderator enforces keywords and reading of
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the documentation. Reject posts that do not fit the criteria possibly
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sending appropriate snippets of the documentation to help the poster
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along. Remember that posting to a moderated newsgroup opens the door
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to an E-mail response.
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2) Posting responses into the group should be limited. Only one correct answer
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need be posted in response to a question , not 10.
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3) FAQ's, HOW-TO's, guides, and any other documentation should be posted in
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appropriate groups regularly and with long expires.
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4) Continue the excellent idea of making Linux documentation available over
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E-mail, ftp, and WWW. Encourage people to read the docs.
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Lastly leave a few unmoderated groups available. I'd personally belive that
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development, help, and misc is enough.
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This is an instance where information overload is clogging up the ability to
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transfer relavent information back in forth in a resonable manner.
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Comments?
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BAJ
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--
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Another random extraction from the mental bit stream of...
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Byron A. Jeff - PhD student operating in parallel - And Using Linux!
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Georgia Tech, Atlanta GA 30332 Internet: byron@cc.gatech.edu
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