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Subject: Linux-Activists Digest #206
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From: Digestifier <Linux-Activists-Request@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>
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To: Linux-Activists@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU
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Reply-To: Linux-Activists@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU
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Date: Mon, 6 Sep 93 14:13:09 EDT
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Linux-Activists Digest #206, Volume #6 Mon, 6 Sep 93 14:13:09 EDT
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Contents:
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SLS-1.03: What is "/dev/log=" (wd)
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help (""Fritz.Ganter@fvkmads02.tu-graz.ac.at, Tu-Graz@fvkmads02.tu-graz.ac.at,)
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Re: NeXTStep & Linux (DAVID L. JOHNSON)
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Re: NeXTStep & Linux (Hugh D.R. Evans (ESA/ESTEC/WMA Netherlands))
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where's "look"? (Shaogang Gong)
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Re: ll (Frank OEynes)
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Re: NeXTStep & Linux [QUIT!] (Frank OEynes)
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Re: ll (Fritz Ganter)
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Re: BSD UNIX (Denis Fortin)
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Re: NeXTStep & Linux (James Hammett)
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[Help] AHA 1540B + TEAC CD-50 in linux/Dos (Teng-Wen Chang)
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Re: (was: Re: A Word Processor for Linux) (Joshua R. Poulson)
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Re: NeXTStep & Linux (Rich Mulvey)
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Re: BBS package (MCREYNPA)
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Re: Remote task-starting (A06012XT@AWIUNI11.EDVZ.UniVie.AC.AT)
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Re: BSD UNIX (Alan Cox)
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Re: tsipp3.0 compiled? (Christoph Piotti)
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tsipp3.0b compiled (Christoph Piotti)
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From: wd@pcsbst.pcs.com (wd)
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Subject: SLS-1.03: What is "/dev/log="
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Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1993 07:54:28 GMT
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The subject says it all:
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In the current SLS release there is a file "/dev/log=" - what is
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this supposed to be?
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Wolfgang
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=====================================================================
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Wolfgang Denk (+49)-89-68004-288
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Digital-PCS Systemtechnik GmbH, Pfaelzer-Wald-Str. 36, 81539 Muenchen
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Email: wd@pcsbst.pcs.com or wd@pcs.dec.com
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#####################################################################
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# The first thing we do is kill all the lawyers. #
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# (Shakespeare. II Henry VI, Act IV, scene ii) #
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#####################################################################
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From: ""Fritz.Ganter@fvkmads02.tu-graz.ac.at, Tu-Graz@fvkmads02.tu-graz.ac.at,
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Subject: help
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Date: 6 Sep 1993 05:02:23 -0400
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Reply-To: ""Fritz.Ganter@fvkmads02.tu-graz.ac.at, Tu-Graz@fvkmads02.tu-graz.ac.at,
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remove ganter@fvkmads02.tu-graz.ac.at
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From: dlj0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DAVID L. JOHNSON)
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Subject: Re: NeXTStep & Linux
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Date: 6 Sep 93 05:15:13 GMT
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In article <1993Sep5.225916.776@kf8nh.wariat.org>, bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery) writes:
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>In article <930904.224103.9T2.rusnews.w165w@mulvey.com> rich@mulvey.com (Rich Mulvey) writes:
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>>rlion@access.digex.net (crazy lion) writes:
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>>> nextssetp is, in my opinion the best OS there is. but it's hardware
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>>> requirements are just too great for intel. you'd have to have a fully
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>>> loaded comupter to even get one program running. so i doubt that anyoe
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>>> would spend all the time it owuld take to write it when few could benefit..
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>>>
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>> "Too great for Intel?" Ummmm... you may be interested in knowing that
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>>it has been available on Intel processors for several months now... and
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>>in fact, since Next is no longer producing hardware, the average person
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>>is likely to see it *only* on Intel machines... :-)
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>
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>Which doesn't change the fact that it rivals NT for hardware requirements to
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>run it....
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>
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I'm sorry, but I just don't see what is so great about NeXT or NeXTStep. I
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know the answer that Jobs and company give, but let's get beyond the pretty
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icons and the hype.
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It's deadly slow on a NeXT itself. It requires a 486/66 with eisa, 16 meg ram,
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and 2 meg on the video card to run half-way decent monochrome graphics. With
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linux on a box like that, it'd be incredibly fast. While I have not seen the
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Intel port in action, whaddya bet it's terribly slow on even that setup?
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If you want software beyond what comes with it? Let's say we get tired of
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the dictionary, and ObjectBuilder. What else is there? From the ifdef NEXT
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stuff you see in c programs, it seems that it's a pain in the &*^) to write
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for, compared to most unices. What is available? No X11 stuff will be
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easy to port -- it'll have to be completely re-written.
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There isn't that much commercial software out there for it, and what there is
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is very expensive.
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I can't see any future for this product, not at the price, seeing the
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limitations of such a small user base and incompatible OS. It seems like
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NeXT's last gasp.
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>++Brandon
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>--
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>Brandon S. Allbery kf8nh@kf8nh.ampr.org bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org
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>"MSDOS didn't get as bad as it is overnight -- it took over ten years
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>of careful development." ---dmeggins@aix1.uottawa.ca
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>
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--
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David L. Johnson ID: dlj0@lehigh.edu
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Department of Mathematics
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Lehigh University, Bethlehem, PA 18015 Telephone: 215-758-3759 (office)
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215-282-3708 (home)
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#include <std/disclaimer.h>
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From: hevans@estwm0.wm.estec.esa.nl (Hugh D.R. Evans (ESA/ESTEC/WMA Netherlands))
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Subject: Re: NeXTStep & Linux
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Reply-To: hevans@wm.estec.esa.nl
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Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1993 10:59:22 GMT
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In article <1993Sep5.225916.776@kf8nh.wariat.org>, bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery) writes:
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|>
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|>In article <930904.224103.9T2.rusnews.w165w@mulvey.com> rich@mulvey.com (Rich Mulvey) writes:
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|>>rlion@access.digex.net (crazy lion) writes:
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|>>> nextssetp is, in my opinion the best OS there is. but it's hardware
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|>>> requirements are just too great for intel. you'd have to have a fully
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|>>> loaded comupter to even get one program running. so i doubt that anyoe
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|>>> would spend all the time it owuld take to write it when few could benefit..
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|>>>
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|>> "Too great for Intel?" Ummmm... you may be interested in knowing that
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|>>it has been available on Intel processors for several months now... and
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|>>in fact, since Next is no longer producing hardware, the average person
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|>>is likely to see it *only* on Intel machines... :-)
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|>
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|>Which doesn't change the fact that it rivals NT for hardware requirements to
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|>run it....
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|>
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That and its $1000 entry cost is enough to choke most users.
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Not that it isn't worth it, but I can't afford it, well... justify it.
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--
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Hugh Evans
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European Space Research and Technology Centre - Noorwijk, Netherlands
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Internet: hevans@wm.estec.esa.nl SPAN: ESTWM2::hevans
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Here's to woman! Would that we could fall into
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her arms without falling into her hands.
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-Ambrose Bierce
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From: sgg@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Shaogang Gong)
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Subject: where's "look"?
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Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1993 10:51:19 GMT
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is there a program in linux that is similar to "look" on
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a Sun Sparc? if so, what is it? if it's not in the slackware
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distribution, where i can ftp one?
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many thanks.
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--
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Shaogang Gong, Computer Science Department,
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Queen Mary and Westfield College,
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Mile End Road, London E1 4NS, England
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Email: sgg@dcs.qmw.ac.uk
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From: frank@mack.uit.no (Frank OEynes)
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Subject: Re: ll
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Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1993 11:41:37 GMT
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ll is an alias probably found in the .profile of the user you
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were logged in as. It is probably added because it is perhaps
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the most common alias among unix users.
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personally i prefer
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alias ll='ls -la'
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(By the way - this is not a Linux specific question!)
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--
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/////// Frank \Oynes // frankoe@phys.uit.no ///
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////// University of Troms\o // tel: +47 (0)83 45197 ////
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///// Dept. of Physics // fax : 89852 /////
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//// (Auroral Observatory) // snail: N-9000 Troms\o //////
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From: frank@mack.uit.no (Frank OEynes)
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Subject: Re: NeXTStep & Linux [QUIT!]
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Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1993 12:02:15 GMT
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We have been wasting bandwidth for three weeks now flaming NT.
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Let's not start a new flamewar on NeXT !
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These groups are named comp.os.linux.??? for a reason.
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Let us concentrate on constructive criticism of Linux, and raise above
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destructive flaming of other OS's !
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Maybe it is necessary to add this statement to READ-THIS-BEFORE-POSTING :-)
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--
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/////// Frank \Oynes // frankoe@phys.uit.no ///
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////// University of Troms\o // tel: +47 (0)83 45197 ////
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///// Dept. of Physics // fax : 89852 /////
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//// (Auroral Observatory) // snail: N-9000 Troms\o //////
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From: ganter@fvkmapc02.tu-graz.ac.at (Fritz Ganter)
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Subject: Re: ll
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Date: 6 Sep 1993 12:12:47 GMT
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Frank OEynes (frank@mack.uit.no) wrote:
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: ll is an alias probably found in the .profile of the user you
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more correct: if no .profile exists, then it's in /etc/profile
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: were logged in as. It is probably added because it is perhaps
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: the most common alias among unix users.
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: personally i prefer
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: alias ll='ls -la'
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: (By the way - this is not a Linux specific question!)
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: --
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: /////// Frank \Oynes // frankoe@phys.uit.no ///
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--
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Fritz Ganter Graz University of Technology, Austria
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Email: ganter@fvkmapc02.tu-graz.ac.at, ganter@fvkmads02.tu-graz.ac.at
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HAM-Radio: OE6FAD@OE6XYG.AUT.EU, OE6FAD@OE6FAD.AMPR.ORG
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Phone: +43 316 873-7222 (Office), +43 316 663243 (home)
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********** Linux... try it, use it, love it. ************
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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd,comp.os.386bsd.misc
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From: fortin@zap.uniforum.qc.ca (Denis Fortin)
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Subject: Re: BSD UNIX
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Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1993 12:06:29 GMT
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In article <michaelv.747084422@ponderous.cc.iastate.edu> michaelv@iastate.edu (Michael L. VanLoon) writes:
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>Linux is a completely different beast. [...]
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>Until recently, its networking was not at all complete. They have recently
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>adopted Net/2, but it is still somewhat buggy.
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Actually, I recently discovered by reading one of the Linux FAQs that
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Linux's Net-2 simply means "the second release of the Linux networking
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code" and has nothing to do with Berkeley's Net/2 (which I originally
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thought it was).
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--
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Denis, fortin@zap.uniforum.qc.ca
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From: James Hammett <jamesh@apple.com>
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Subject: Re: NeXTStep & Linux
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Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1993 13:32:12 GMT
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In article <1993Sep6.051513.38107@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> DAVID L. JOHNSON,
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dlj0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu writes:
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> I'm sorry, but I just don't see what is so great about NeXT or
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NeXTStep. I
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> know the answer that Jobs and company give, but let's get beyond the
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pretty
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> icons and the hype.
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It took me less than an hour to setup the networking on my NeXT. I
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can now log into it from my Macintosh with NCSA Telnet. On my linux box
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I've been trying to get the thing to even recognize my host's name and
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the ethernet card for about 2 weeks.
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> It's deadly slow on a NeXT itself. It requires a 486/66 with eisa, 16
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meg ram,
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> and 2 meg on the video card to run half-way decent monochrome graphics.
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With
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> linux on a box like that, it'd be incredibly fast. While I have not
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seen the
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> Intel port in action, whaddya bet it's terribly slow on even that setup?
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About 80-90% on (supposedly) of the Video speed.
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> for, compared to most unices. What is available? No X11 stuff will be
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> easy to port -- it'll have to be completely re-written.
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There are several ports of X to the NeXT: 2 Public domain (MouseX, and
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one
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by Tufts University). There are at least 2 commercial versions, that
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support Motiff, available (Pencom's Co-Xist, and eXedous).
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> There isn't that much commercial software out there for it, and what
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>there is is very expensive.
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True, but the same can be said for almost all unices.
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later,
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James
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From: Teng-Wen Chang <tc38+@andrew.cmu.edu>
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Subject: [Help] AHA 1540B + TEAC CD-50 in linux/Dos
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Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1993 10:32:04 -0400
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Do anyone have the successful case with this configuration, in
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Linux/Dos? I setup the SCSI id to be 2, and the terminator is installed
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at both end (one is Adaptec 1540B, another is Teac CD-50 CDROM-driver,
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and it's the only SCSI driver I have now)
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Both dos and linux can recognize the CDROM driver at properly ID and
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CUN(0), but I just can't find the data of the CD-ROM. I use the
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ASP4DOS.sys from adaptec and Corel SCSI driver on the DOS part, and it
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works fine before I tried to use it. I even can't reject the disc by
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using the reject buttom.
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Since I am new to both sides: SCSI card and CDROM, I wonder is it the
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problem of driver(CDROM), or the problem of Adaptec 1540B?
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Any help is appreciated
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tengwen
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From: jrp@widcat.Widener.EDU (Joshua R. Poulson)
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Subject: Re: (was: Re: A Word Processor for Linux)
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Date: 6 Sep 1993 15:12:54 GMT
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Reply-To: Joshua.R.Poulson@cyber.Widener.EDU
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In article <26aulc$ier@news.bu.edu>, heiser@bumetb.bu.edu (Bill Heiser) writes:
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|> In article <WEASEL.93Aug5160625@mecom.oulu.fi> weasel@mecom.oulu.fi (Kari T. Salmela) writes:
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|> > By the way, I have noticed that old UNIX farts are absolutely
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|> >most conservative persons I've ever met. Not even IBM<tm> :) mainframe
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|> [...]
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|> >It's kinda sad to see 25 year old people who are totally fixed to
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|> >their old customs, unable and unwilling to learn & use anything which
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|> >has been coded in the 80's or 90's..
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|>
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|> 25-year old people are "old unix farts"????
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Yeah, really. Looks like I'm getting grief for liking "TeX" here too. :)
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--JRP [24 years old, a systems administrator, and runs Linux at home]
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From: rich@mulvey.com (Rich Mulvey)
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Subject: Re: NeXTStep & Linux
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Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1993 10:29:31 EDT
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dlj0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DAVID L. JOHNSON) writes:
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> In article <1993Sep5.225916.776@kf8nh.wariat.org>, bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Bran
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> don S. Allbery) writes:
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>>In article <930904.224103.9T2.rusnews.w165w@mulvey.com> rich@mulvey.com (Ric
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> h Mulvey) writes:
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>>>rlion@access.digex.net (crazy lion) writes:
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>>>> nextssetp is, in my opinion the best OS there is. but it's hardware
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>>>> requirements are just too great for intel. you'd have to have a fully
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>>>> loaded comupter to even get one program running. so i doubt that anyoe
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>>>> would spend all the time it owuld take to write it when few could benefit
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> ..
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>>>>
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>>> "Too great for Intel?" Ummmm... you may be interested in knowing that
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>>>it has been available on Intel processors for several months now... and
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>>>in fact, since Next is no longer producing hardware, the average person
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>>>is likely to see it *only* on Intel machines... :-)
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>>
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>>Which doesn't change the fact that it rivals NT for hardware requirements to
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>>run it....
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>>
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> I'm sorry, but I just don't see what is so great about NeXT or NeXTStep. I
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> know the answer that Jobs and company give, but let's get beyond the pretty
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> icons and the hype.
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>
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> It's deadly slow on a NeXT itself. It requires a 486/66 with eisa, 16 meg ra
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> m,
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> and 2 meg on the video card to run half-way decent monochrome graphics. With
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> linux on a box like that, it'd be incredibly fast. While I have not seen the
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> Intel port in action, whaddya bet it's terribly slow on even that setup?
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>
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> If you want software beyond what comes with it? Let's say we get tired of
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> the dictionary, and ObjectBuilder. What else is there? From the ifdef NEXT
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> stuff you see in c programs, it seems that it's a pain in the &*^) to write
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> for, compared to most unices. What is available? No X11 stuff will be
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> easy to port -- it'll have to be completely re-written.
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>
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> There isn't that much commercial software out there for it, and what there is
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> is very expensive.
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>
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> I can't see any future for this product, not at the price, seeing the
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> limitations of such a small user base and incompatible OS. It seems like
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> NeXT's last gasp.
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>
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--
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Actually, I saw it in action on a '486 about a month ago at the office of
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a Next developer. It was most definately faster on the '486 - Gateway,
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by the way. ( I couldn't tell you what speed, though I suspect it was
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a 33MHZ machine. )
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As for software availability, the developer showed me a number of
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PD/Shareware apps that rivaled the work of most MS-DOS/BSD commercial
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offerings.
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Not that I'm ever likely to use it, but I was impressed, nonetheless.
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:-)
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- Rich
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--
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Rich Mulvey Amateur Radio: N2VDS 787 Elmwood Terrace
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rich@mulvey.com Rochester, NY 14620
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From: mcreynpa@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu (MCREYNPA)
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Subject: Re: BBS package
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Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1993 16:20:00 GMT
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In article <26eq9j$shi@news.delphi.com>, tdylew@news.delphi.com (TDYLEW@DELPHI.COM) writes...
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>I was wondering if anybody here knew of a BBS package that has been ported
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>to Linux. I found Eagle BBS, but it would require a couple hours of
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>porting work to get up and running. I am looking for something that would
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>be like a mess-dos setup, but allow higher level users to get to the shell.
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>
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> Tom
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>
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How about waffle? See comp.bbs.waffle for details.
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Phillip McReynolds
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MCREYNPA@CTRVAX.VANDERBILT.EDU
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From: A06012XT@AWIUNI11.EDVZ.UniVie.AC.AT
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Subject: Re: Remote task-starting
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Date: Mon, 06 Sep 93 18:42:43 MEZ
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In article <746099931snx@fidonet.bbs.no>
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harald-f@fidonet.bbs.no (Harald Finnaas) writes:
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>
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>> Look up your man pages on nohup, or use csh, which defaults to nohup.
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>> with nohup set, you can log off without killing your process.
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>The problem is that I've ordered a UNIX manual, but I haven't received it
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>yet.:(
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try:
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man <command>
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like:
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man nohup
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>But hey, who needs it with guys like you around? :)
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Actually it's enough to run nohup like:
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nohup .sh &
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to run the command .sh in the background with no hangup signals.
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Andreas Kostyrka
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(A06012XT@HELIOS.UNIVIE.AC.AT till 1.10.93)
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(A9207884@GUNTHER.SMC.UNIVIE.AC.AT)
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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd,comp.os.386bsd.misc
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From: iiitac@swan.pyr (Alan Cox)
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Subject: Re: BSD UNIX
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Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1993 16:20:39 GMT
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In article <CCxLn8.Iv8@zap.uniforum.qc.ca> fortin@zap.uniforum.qc.ca (Denis Fortin) writes:
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>In article <michaelv.747084422@ponderous.cc.iastate.edu> michaelv@iastate.edu (Michael L. VanLoon) writes:
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>>Linux is a completely different beast. [...]
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>>Until recently, its networking was not at all complete. They have recently
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>>adopted Net/2, but it is still somewhat buggy.
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It's none too complete now, however its great fun helping to debug it.
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>Actually, I recently discovered by reading one of the Linux FAQs that
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>Linux's Net-2 simply means "the second release of the Linux networking
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>code" and has nothing to do with Berkeley's Net/2 (which I originally
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>thought it was).
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This is unfortunately misleading there is NET-2 and NET/2 for Linux. The
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first is FvK's work on Ross Biro's from scratch tcp/ip for Linux, the second
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is a port of BSD Networking release 2 for Linux. Both exist, both are used.
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In time NET-2 should be as good as the BSD networking, but for the moment
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its providing some good lessons on interrupt and network writing.
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The original primary motive was to avoid potentially 'contaminated' code
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from BSD releases getting into Linux given the ATT v BSDI lawsuit. Without
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that I'm fairly sure the BSD networking code would have been used straight off.
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Alan
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iiitac@pyr.swan.ac.uk
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From: piotti@uni-muenster.de (Christoph Piotti)
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Subject: Re: tsipp3.0 compiled?
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Date: 6 Sep 1993 17:30:36 GMT
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Christoph Piotti (piotti@uni-muenster.de) wrote:
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: Hi!
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: Is there anyone who had compiled tsipp3.0?
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: I've problems with linking tsipp. There are some missing functions
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: ("Referenced undefined functions ...") in tsipp-specific objects.
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: It seems to be only a small mistake, but I'm not able to find yet.
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: _Christoph
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: Christoph Piotti piotti.uni-muenster.de
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From: piotti@uni-muenster.de (Christoph Piotti)
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Subject: tsipp3.0b compiled
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Date: 6 Sep 1993 17:42:46 GMT
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