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From: Digestifier <Linux-Misc-Request@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu>
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To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Reply-To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Date: Wed, 7 Sep 94 07:13:18 EDT
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Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #720
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Linux-Misc Digest #720, Volume #2 Wed, 7 Sep 94 07:13:18 EDT
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Contents:
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Wanted: XFree86 compatible ISA card (and recommendations) (Robert Ashcroft)
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Buying a YGGDRASIL CD ROM (axtrinh@biivax.dp.beckman.com)
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Re: OS/2 vs. Unix Which one is better and why??? (Mike Gebhardt)
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1.7MB+ format help wanted... (pageone@netcom.com)
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Re: Yggdrasil Sum94 CD (Steve B.)
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Re: If Linux passes X/Opens Spec 1170, will it become a true Unix? (Rick Kelly)
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Re: Newest kernel version to fix memory problems... (Stephen Harris)
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SWT in Texas: Has anyone dealt with this firm? (Chuck Lloyd)
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Re: BOCA 8 port NIGHTMARE !!! (Bob Kupiec)
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Re: Linux is a GNU system and the DWARF support (Joe Buck)
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Linux for HP/Apollo? (David Edwards)
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Re: Reminiscence... (Pete Ehlke)
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Re: Reminiscence... (Michael O'Reilly)
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Re: 525MB streamer that wouldn't backup 300MB: SOLVED! (Harald Milz)
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Re: CAP for Linux? (Alan Cox)
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*** PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *** (misc-2.07) (Ian Jackson)
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From: rna@leland.Stanford.EDU (Robert Ashcroft)
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Crossposted-To: misc.forsale.computers.pc-clone,ba.market.computers
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Subject: Wanted: XFree86 compatible ISA card (and recommendations)
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Date: 7 Sep 1994 03:22:59 GMT
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I'm interested in cheap XFree86 SVGA cards. I'd like recommendations and
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if you have one to buy, perhaps used, I'll consider buying it.
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Situation: At school there is an old 386 computer on which I have Linux
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running. I got X to run in 16-color VGA mode (ho ho ho... sort of like
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a dog walking on its hind legs, it does it poorly, but you are amazed it
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does it at all). But the "SVGA" card that came with it is just too stupid
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to deal with XFree86.
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At the moment the best I can do is have it display its X-windows on
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a Sparc in the same room, which is cool in and of itself, but not
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real useful.
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So I'd like to yank that card and put in a better one. It needn't be
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wonderful, it needn't be new, it just needs to work and be usable for
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low intensity X-use. I just want to be able to show people how great
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this stuff is---my home system is has the ATI GUPro, displayed on a
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17'' screen, but I can't (don't want to) haul that into school.
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I also don't want to spend too much, since the sole purpose is to
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demo this for other people.
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Recommendations appreciated.
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RNA
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From: axtrinh@biivax.dp.beckman.com
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Subject: Buying a YGGDRASIL CD ROM
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Date: 6 Sep 94 16:43:32 PDT
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Hello,
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Before I buy the YGGDRASIL Linux CD ROM. I'd like to know
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if the Toshiba 3401B is supported? Will someone e-mail me
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the answer please.
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Andy
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From: mgebhard@panix.com (Mike Gebhardt)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
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Subject: Re: OS/2 vs. Unix Which one is better and why???
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Date: 7 Sep 1994 00:47:34 -0400
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To: lynn@magneto.physics.auburn.edu
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Subject: Re: OS/2 vs. Unix Which one is better and why???
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.linux.misc
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References: <34ai1k$n12@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <CvqrIq.5wn@mail.auburn.edu>
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>In article <34ai1k$n12@solaris.cc.vt.edu>, <kenliu@vt.edu> wrote:
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*** lots of other stuff deleted ***
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>>I know for a fact that you can't learn Unix (I mean learn it really well)just
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>>by fooling around with it. So what's the point?
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I couldn't disagree with that statement more. Installing applications and
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getting them to work on my Slackware distribution has taught me more
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about the inner workings of Unices in general than anything else ever
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could, and I've been in the computer business since 1981.
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When I wanted to learn the inner workings of Un*x I installed Slackware
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at home, because during the day I was too busy getting things done to
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pick apart SunOs.
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So at night I customized and upgraded Emacs, Got PPP working with my
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office network, fixed some bugs in the version of xlock originally
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supplied with the distribution, got X configured and set up to my liking,
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and then I started playing with the kernel source.
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Each and every one of the above experiences has been put to use in that
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most important of daily tasks called "making a living". The experience I
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have gained with my Linux system has put me steps ahead of the rest of
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the folks working with me, because when something goes wrong, it's
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usually me who finds the answer, simply because my experience with Linux
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has given me a basic idea of where to look.
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So, to all of you out there, I say hack away. You never know when some
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tidbit you learn by playing with Linux in your spare time is going to add
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a little more to that next bonus check!!
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Regards,
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Mike G.
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mgebhard@panix.com
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From: pageone@netcom.com
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Subject: 1.7MB+ format help wanted...
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Date: Tue, 6 Sep 1994 23:49:06 GMT
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I would like information on how to set the /etc/fdprm file
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to hold the correct formats for the 1.7mb and 1.9mb disks (and any other
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high-density formats). I'm using Slackware 2.0.0 and Linux kernel 1.0.9.
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I'd like to see the parameters posted to the group, along with
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any other info related (e.g. reliability) on this topic.
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Thanks!
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- Chad Page
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
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From: spberg@netcom.com (Steve B.)
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Subject: Re: Yggdrasil Sum94 CD
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Date: Wed, 7 Sep 1994 00:06:16 GMT
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: Is there any way to recover from this or should I just write it off and buy a
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: new one? I heard rumors that Yggdrasil has a Fall94 release out but have not
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: been able to find out any info on it.
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If the scratches aren't too deep you can find polish for it. Try a local
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HIGH-end stereo store. As for Yggdrasil Fall 94, last I heard was it
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would start shipping around the end of this month.
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--
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/--------------------------------------------------------------------------\
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| <spberg@netcom.com> on the InterNet| I Think, |
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| <Stephen P Berg> in Aurora, Co. | Therefore I Am, |
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| <SSgt> on the IRC | I Think?! |
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| <The Roadster Man> on the BBS's | |
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| Just another damn roadhog on the Information Super-Highway |
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From: rmk@rmkhome.com (Rick Kelly)
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Subject: Re: If Linux passes X/Opens Spec 1170, will it become a true Unix?
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Reply-To: rmk@rmkhome.com (Rick Kelly)
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Date: Wed, 7 Sep 1994 04:45:00 GMT
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Alan Cox (iialan@iifeak.swan.ac.uk) wrote:
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: In article <33r4kv$c0s@agate.berkeley.edu> maxims@ucsee.EECS.Berkeley.EDU (Maxim Spivak) writes:
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: >In UniForum's UniNews July 20,1994 issue there's and article on X/Open's
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: >UNIX branding. This got me thinking--if Linux would pass this branding,
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: >would it become a full-fledged _official_ Unix, on par with SunOS or
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: >HP/UX or whatever?
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: Correct as I understand it unless there is some requirement for the code
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: to be derived from the AT&T code...
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Unless things have changed wildly....
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One can have their OS certified as passing the SVID test suite without
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using a single line of AT&T code.
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: >So the question is--how close is Linux to conformance to Spec 1170? Would
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: >it be a Good Thing(tm) for Linux to become a "true" Unix? Would it cost
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: >major money to be branded, and if yes, is it worth raising that kind of
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: >money somehow?
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: It would cost a lot and include royalties according to the X/open blurb I
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: saw.
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Yes, I bet the "UNIX Inside" stickers are expensive.
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--
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Rick Kelly rmk@rmkhome.com rmk@bedford.progress.com
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From: hsw1@papa.attmail.com (Stephen Harris)
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Subject: Re: Newest kernel version to fix memory problems...
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Date: Tue, 6 Sep 1994 21:58:58 GMT
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Gabe Krupa (gabe@deathstar.cris.com) wrote:
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: At one point, 11 mb worth of buffers were shown as being used and I thought
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: that it had to do with playing audio cd's through my cdrom. So I stopped
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: doing that. It didn't help. So I unmounted all nfs file-systems. Ditto.
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: I'm stumped. It seems that the kernel should return all alloced memory to the
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: general memory pool after a process terminates even if that process never freed
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: the memory itself. So I tried mallocing a meg or so and exiting, but that did
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: not seem to be the cause.
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Effectively buffers ARE the general memory pool!
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Any 'unused' memory in Linux is allocated to the buffer cache. When a program
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requires extra memory (eg you startup Emacs) then the cache is shrunk by
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enough to allocate the required memory.
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This has been discussed ad nauseum these past few weeks....
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--
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rgds
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Stephen
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From: lloydc@cymry.ultranet.com (Chuck Lloyd)
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Subject: SWT in Texas: Has anyone dealt with this firm?
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Date: 7 Sep 1994 06:31:50 GMT
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Hello,
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I am considering purchasing a 486DX2/66 with at least SCSI-2
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and possibly PCI. This firm seems to put together a nice system at
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a good price. They also make sure it runs Linux.
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Is this too good to be true? Has anyone out there done business
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with this firm? How did it go? Are you pleased with your system
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and the company?
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Thanks in advance
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__________________
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Chuck Lloyd
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lloydc@ultranet.com
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From: kupiec@tigger.jvnc.net (Bob Kupiec)
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Subject: Re: BOCA 8 port NIGHTMARE !!!
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Date: Wed, 7 Sep 1994 01:01:32 GMT
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In <Cvo467.7C3@ix.de>, hm@ix.de writes:
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>In comp.os.linux.misc, Rob Janssen (rob@pe1chl.ampr.org) wrote:
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>> This card is not suitable for use with modems. Get a 6-port ioAT66 instead.
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>
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>Or in other words: the Boca BB1004/1008 does not offer the necessary
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>signal lines for modems. They lack DTR, DCD and friends.
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The Boca 2by4 (4S/2P) does support modems and works well. Only bad
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this is that each port requires it's own IRQ.
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--
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Bob Kupiec (N3MML) Phone: 1-609-897-7319 JvNCnet (GES, Inc.)
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Network Operations -or- : 1-800-35-TIGER 3 Independence Way
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Email: kupiec@jvnc.net Fax : 1-609-897-7310 Princeton, NJ 08540
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From: jbuck@synopsys.com (Joe Buck)
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Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
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Subject: Re: Linux is a GNU system and the DWARF support
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Date: 7 Sep 1994 05:52:31 GMT
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hjl@nynexst.com (H.J. Lu) writes:
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>I still think the commercial softwares should be encouraged under
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>Linux. There are places for everyone under Linux. The kernel, the C
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>library and other basic components should remain free. The user can make
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>choices on the commercial applications.
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Certainly. And RMS and MIB have also said that commercial/binary-only
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stuff will be allowed on the Hurd.
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Note, however, that crt0.S could have used the "as a special exception"
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copyright used by the stuff in libgcc.a: the file itself is under the
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GPL, but as a special exception, applications built with gcc and linked
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to it don't fall under the GPL. This is how the FSF and Cygnus folk
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have been addressing the issue of key files that always have to be
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linked in.
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--
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-- Joe Buck <jbuck@synopsys.com>
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Posting from but not speaking for Synopsys, Inc.
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***** Stamp out junk e-mail spamming! If someone sends you a junk e-mail
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***** ad just because you posted in comp.foo, boycott their company.
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From: dpe@rocket.cc.umr.edu (David Edwards)
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Subject: Linux for HP/Apollo?
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Date: Tue, 6 Sep 1994 22:07:51 GMT
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Question for the Linux/68K folks... Was porting Linux to the earlier
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Apollo systems (the 68K based ones...) ever considered? Having seen
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a couple adds for "DN3500 w/ 32M ram / 170M HD, 19" color monitor, etc.
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etc. etc. $400 obo", and wanting to reclaim my '486 from mail/news
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spooling duty, I made the (semi?) logical leap, and wanted to know
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if anyone else has attempted this type of thing before.
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Later!
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David
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--
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____________________________________________________________________
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David Edwards || I will not do it, in my car, I will not speak ||
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U of MO, Rolla || for UMR. I would not, could not in a plane, I ||
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dpe@umr.edu || would not, could not on a train. I will not ||
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|| speak for UMR, I will not do it, Sam you are. ||
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From: ehlkep@iia.org (Pete Ehlke)
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Subject: Re: Reminiscence...
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Date: 6 Sep 1994 21:48:02 -0400
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donadio@mxd120.rh.psu.edu (Matthew Donadio) writes:
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>I just got done reading hlu's post about Linux being a GNU system, so
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>I decided that it is about time for another post about the good old
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>days. I've been using Linux since 0.12 (Jan 92) and it's amazing what
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>it has become.
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>Do you remember...
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>...when the only choice when getting a distribution was getting the root
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> disk first, or the boot disk first?
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>...alt.os.linux?
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>...comp.os.linux?
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Oh, you bet. How 'bout the BIG news that MGR would be coming out?
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... no ps. Just hit ^printScreen and get a dump of the process tables.
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the good old days...
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______________________________________________________________________________
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But how could we know when I was young | Pete Ehlke
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All the changes that were to come? | ehlkep@iia.org
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All the photos in the wallets on the battlefield |
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And now the terror of the scientific sun? |
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-The Clash, "Something about England"|
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From: michael@iinet.com.au (Michael O'Reilly)
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Subject: Re: Reminiscence...
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Date: 7 Sep 1994 10:06:51 +0800
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Matthew Donadio (donadio@mxd120.rh.psu.edu) wrote:
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: I just got done reading hlu's post about Linux being a GNU system, so
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: I decided that it is about time for another post about the good old
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: days. I've been using Linux since 0.12 (Jan 92) and it's amazing what
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: it has become.
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: Do you remember...
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[ .. ]
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: ...sectors 508 and 509?
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Ah hah! Thats bytes 508 + 509 of the first sector in the kernel.. :)
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: ...Linus said 1.0 would be out by Christmas 92? :)
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Heh. and when he made the leap from 0.13 --> 0.95 in the expectation
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that there'd only be a few more kernels. and the 0.99.a-z series. :)
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: ...when compiling the kernel on a 4MB 386sx took 13 minutes ?
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When swapping was implemented, and demand paging.. :)
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Dynamic disk cache sizing..
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When someone who is remaing nameless due to modesty pointed out that
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searching a bit array for a free page is probably less efficent than
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taking the first free page of the free page list... :)
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: ...when introducing the VFS broke infrequent used binaries like bash and ls ?
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That was the readdir() changeover.. :)
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: ...signal/noise ratio on alt.os.linux was >> 1
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Ahh. The good ol' days. When you could read ALL the newsgroup, and
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still have time to eat. When you needed minix to uuse linux, as linux
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could create it's own filesystem yet (that was 0.11 I think).
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Michael.
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--
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Michael O'Reilly @ iiNet Technologies, Internet Service providers.
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Voice (09) 307 1183, Fax (09) 307 8414. Email michael@iinet.com.au
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From: hm@ix.de (Harald Milz)
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Subject: Re: 525MB streamer that wouldn't backup 300MB: SOLVED!
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Reply-To: hm@ix.de
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Date: Wed, 7 Sep 1994 08:50:18 GMT
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In comp.os.linux.admin, Eelco H. Essenberg (essenber@dutiws.twi.tudelft.nl) wrote:
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> That sort of gave the game away: the tapes I had were labelled "DC6525", but were
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> in fact DC6150's... I got myself another tape, a 3M DC6525 and lo and behold: 523MB
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> on a single tape...
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Oops. Which brand were those mislabeled tapes?
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--
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Signs of crime: screaming or cries for help.
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-- from the Brown Security Crime Prevention Pamphlet
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--
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Harald Milz (hm@ix.de) WWW: http://www.ix.de/editors/hm.html
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iX Multiuser Multitasking Magazine phone +49 (511) 53 52-377
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Helstorfer Str. 7, D-30625 Hannover fax +49 (511) 53 52-378
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Opinions stated herein are my own, not necessarily my employer's.
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From: iialan@iifeak.swan.ac.uk (Alan Cox)
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Subject: Re: CAP for Linux?
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Date: Wed, 7 Sep 1994 09:27:58 GMT
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In article <1994Sep2.221522.27821@ntg.com> dplatt@3do.com (Dave Platt) writes:
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>Phase 2 (which is what most organizations are using these days) will be
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>a more difficult capability to implement. It requires a consistent
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>method of persuading the Ethernet interface to receive multicasts. A
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>fair number of the current Linux ethercard drivers do not yet support
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>multicasting, and [as far as I can tell] there is no consistent kernel
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>interface for registering with the network in order to receive arbitrary
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>packets (e.g. there's no equivalent to the Berkeley packet filter).
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The multicasting is in almost all drivers (although not always to best of
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ability) but there is no user side interface to use it to its full
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currently. Its the dev->set_multicast_list() function.
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BPF can be found in tcpdump as a usermode library. BPF is a performance
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issue however as it requires promisc mode. It's built on the SOCK_PACKET
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interface that allows you to receive specific protocols or all packets
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depending on your desire. The libpacket.c in DOSEMU is a library for using
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it and DOSEMU's virtual packet driver for Novell is a fine example of how
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it works.
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Alan
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// Alan Cox // iialan@www.linux.org.uk // GW4PTS@GB7SWN.#45.GBR.EU //
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From: ijackson@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ian Jackson)
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Subject: *** PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *** (misc-2.07)
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Date: 7 Sep 1994 04:03:26 -0600
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Please do not post questions to comp.os.linux.misc - read on for details of
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which groups you should read and post to.
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Please do not crosspost anything between different groups of the comp.os.linux
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hierarchy. See Matt Welsh's introduction to the hierarchy, posted weekly.
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If you have a question about Linux you should get and read the Linux Frequently
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Asked Questions with Answers list from sunsite.unc.edu, in /pub/Linux/docs, or
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from another Linux FTP site. It is also posted periodically to c.o.l.announce.
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In particular, read the question `You still haven't answered my question!'
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The FAQ will refer you to the Linux HOWTOs (more detailed descriptions of
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particular topics) found in the HOWTO directory in the same place.
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Then you should consider posting to comp.os.linux.help - not
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comp.os.linux.misc.
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Note that X Windows related questions should go to comp.windows.x.i386unix, and
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that non-Linux-specific Unix questions should go to comp.unix.questions.
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Please read the FAQs for these groups before posting - look on rtfm.mit.edu in
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/pub/usenet/news.answers/Intel-Unix-X-faq and .../unix-faq.
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Only if you have a posting that is not more appropriate for one of the other
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Linux groups - ie it is not a question, not about the future development of
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Linux, not an announcement or bug report and not about system administration -
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should you post to comp.os.linux.misc.
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Comments on this posting are welcomed - please email me !
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--
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Ian Jackson <ijackson@nyx.cs.du.edu> (urgent email: iwj10@phx.cam.ac.uk)
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2 Lexington Close, Cambridge, CB4 3LS, England; phone: +44 223 64238
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** FOR YOUR REFERENCE **
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The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests
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to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is:
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Internet: Linux-Misc-Request@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU
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You can send mail to the entire list (and comp.os.linux.misc) via:
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Internet: Linux-Misc@NEWS-DIGESTS.MIT.EDU
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Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites:
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nic.funet.fi pub/OS/Linux
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tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux
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sunsite.unc.edu pub/Linux
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End of Linux-Misc Digest
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