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From: Digestifier <Linux-Misc-Request@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu>
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To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Reply-To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Date: Tue, 20 Sep 94 23:13:17 EDT
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Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #792
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Linux-Misc Digest #792, Volume #2 Tue, 20 Sep 94 23:13:17 EDT
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Contents:
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Re: Dos, OS/2 and Linux? (Tom Barringer)
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Re: Contrib. $s for Linux Dev (Tom Barringer)
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Linux Businesses (Randy Hootman)
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Re: Time Screws up w/ Linux (Mark 'Enry' Komarinski)
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Re: Is Linux faster than Os/2? Please help. (Robert Gasch)
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HELP: Problems/errors with sz
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Official Linux POV - BETA (Christopher Cason)
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Re: Where are asm/delay.h and asm/unistd.h? (Nick Pearson)
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Re: LILO (Tom Barringer)
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Re: XFree86 patch for DOOM 320x200 doublescan (Peter Bollerman)
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Re: Linux is a GNU system and the DWARF support (J.J. Paijmans)
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Re: Garnet, CLISP, Linux? (Erik Westlin)
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Where is ftape? (Robert Broughton)
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Re: Linux, 40,000 Cover CD's (Duncan THOMSON)
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Re: Linux v. OS/2 and Desqview - DOS multitasking (Alexandra Griffin)
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Linux and PCI compatibility ("Michael A. Passineau")
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Re: NCR PCI SCSI controllers (Drew Eckhardt)
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From: tomb@bedford.progress.COM (Tom Barringer)
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Subject: Re: Dos, OS/2 and Linux?
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Date: 20 Sep 1994 13:52:03 GMT
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Reply-To: tomb@progress.com
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In article <35kmng$dt@ixnews1.ix.netcom.com>, rayho@ix.netcom.com (Raymond Ho) writes:
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|> I have Dos 6.22 installed on my first harddisk, OS/2 for Windows installed
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|> on the first partition of my second harddisk, I have a second partition
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|> that is open on my second harddisk. Is it possible to load Linux there?
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|> Can I use the OS/2 Boot Manager to control the booting?
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Yes. Information on how to do this is in the HOWTO's.
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Your partition should probably be at least 80, preferably over 100, megabytes.
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--
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Tom Barringer : Progress Software Corp. : The Tall Conspiracy is looking
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QA Development : 14 Oak Park : for members. Please see the
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tomb@progress.com : Bedford, MA 01730 : recruitment flyer posted on
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GEnie: T.Barringer : #include <std/disclaim.i> : the top of your refrigerator.
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HREF="ftp://ftp.progress.com/tomb/tomb.html"
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From: tomb@bedford.progress.COM (Tom Barringer)
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Subject: Re: Contrib. $s for Linux Dev
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Date: 20 Sep 1994 13:59:04 GMT
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Reply-To: tomb@progress.com
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In article <CwE5Jw.76w@osuunx.ucc.okstate.edu>, jwest@jwest.ecen.okstate.edu () writes:
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|> In article <35kjik$d46@panix2.panix.com> rhockens@panix.com (Ralph Hockens)
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|> writes:
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|>
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|> >I'd like to give something back to the folks whose time and labor make this
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|> >all possible. I'm not a programmer, nor am I proficient enough to
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|> But remember, no one *expects*
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|> anything in return at all, especially money. That is the beauty of
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|> Linux.
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For shame.
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That is only _one_ of the _many_ beauties of Linux. Granted that it is a
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large one, but there are others.
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1) True multitasking for those whose multitasking was limited to
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MeSsy-Windows
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2) Kernel source available for education and hacking
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3) Unix-like programming power and compatibility
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...the list goes on.
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:)
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--
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Tom Barringer : Progress Software Corp. : LINUX:
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QA Development : 14 Oak Park : The choice of a
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tomb@progress.com : Bedford, MA 01730 : GNU generation.
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GEnie: T.Barringer : #include <std/disclaim.i> :
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HREF="ftp://ftp.progress.com/tomb/tomb.html"
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From: rph@netcom.com (Randy Hootman)
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Subject: Linux Businesses
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Date: Mon, 19 Sep 1994 07:42:18 GMT
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After due consideration of everyone's interest, I would like to offer
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my support to businesses that are offering Linux support and services.
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I propose that businesses that are offering Linux support and service
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send to my email address (rph@netcom.com) a description of their Linux
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services available. This could be CD-ROM distributions, contracting,
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consulting, hardware, software, Linux T-Shirts, books, etc.
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I will then cat the info, and then gzip the resulting text. I will then put
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this file in a directory available for anonymous ftp (ftp.netcom.com
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/pub/rph).
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People need to know what services are available. So if businesses would
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kindly keep their descriptions of their Linux services to 10 lines or less
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of 80 characters per line and get their info to my email address prior to
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the 25th of each month, I'll start this service. I should have the file
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out by the end of each month. This listing will be free.
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I will continue this service as long as I can.
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I reserve full editorial rights, so please follow the above rules.
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I would like to offer the Linux community the chance to name this thing.
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I thought about the 'Linux Thrifty Nickle'.
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Randy
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--
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///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
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"In recognizing the humanity of our fellow beings,
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we pay ourselves the highest tribute." - Thurgood Marshall
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//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
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Randy Hootman Randysoft Software (408) 229-0119
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From: komarimf@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Mark 'Enry' Komarinski)
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Subject: Re: Time Screws up w/ Linux
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Date: 20 Sep 1994 14:12:28 GMT
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Spencer PriceNash (spencer@montego.umcc.umich.edu) wrote:
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: In article <1994Sep16.064006.246@huiac.apana.org.au>,
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: John Pearson <john@huiac.apana.org.au> wrote:
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: >adamsvm@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu (Vaughn Adams) writes:
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: >
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: >> I have had this problem for a while and never bothered to resolve it.
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: >>Now that I need cron, I need to get it fixd. Everytime I boot Linux, my i
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: >>clock screws up. THe time is always off, but the date is ok. This doesn't
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: >>happen with any other OS that I have run on the computer. I am runnin
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: >>Slackware 1.2 with a couple of dirrerent kernels. it seems to be kernel
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: >>independant.
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: Check the man pages for 'date' and 'clock'. Used together correctly,
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: they should fix the time for you.
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: Under four different *nixes in the last three years, my clock loses
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: between one and two minutes a day, and by using 'clock' my machine
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: is within seconds of being correct.
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An upcoming Linux Journal issue will contain an overview of date, time,
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and nettime in the 'Linux System Administration' section. It may be
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issue #6 or #7. Not sure which.
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--
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- Mark Komarinski - komarimf@craft.camp.clarkson.edu
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"Sure we should sell California to the Japanese. It's going to fall into
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the ocean anyway." - Car Talk (on NPR)
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From: rgasch@nl.oracle.com (Robert Gasch)
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Subject: Re: Is Linux faster than Os/2? Please help.
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Date: Tue, 20 Sep 1994 09:05:24 GMT
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A. Rohde (exp109@modcomp.physik.uni-kiel.de) wrote:
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: 12 megs RAM are absolutely sufficient. A good configured Linux on a 8MB box has
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: 4MB free with X11 running. I don't feel happy with 8MB under OS/2.
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I hate to question your figures, but I'm interested in this for my own
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sake. I'm running Linux 1.0.9 (Slakware 2.0) with 8Mb Ram with the S3
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server. When I start up X and create 2 xterms, I start using swap. BTW,
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I'm using the default window manager with a 3x3 virtual desktop and am
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running several gettys and the tcp demons (to enable loopback connections).
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I don't think I'm doing anything weird enough to account for a difference
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of 4MB used memory? BTW, the numbers I'm giving are as reported by top.
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Can anybody verify this or shed any light on what I'm doing wrong? (Or
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did I interpret your statement incorrectly?)
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Thanks
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--> robert
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From: mvalente@draco.lnec.pt ()
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Subject: HELP: Problems/errors with sz
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Date: 20 Sep 1994 10:49:21 GMT
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Yo all:
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I'm running a Linux system with dial-in capabilities. When
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my users download files using sz they start getting errors
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at about 19k of data. People are using 14.4k with RTS/CTS
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and they have 16550 UARTs but the problems are still there.
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I have advised them to use -w 1024 but they still have errors.
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Anybody know why this is ? The strange thing is that this
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doesnt happen when using ftp ( over a SLIP link )...
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If anyone has any insights ( or a solution ) to this please
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help. Perhaps some switches to sz to make packets smaller,
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slow down throughput, I dont know...
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Thanks in advance
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C U!
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Mario Valente
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From: cjcason@yarrow.wt.uwa.edu.au (Christopher Cason)
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Subject: Official Linux POV - BETA
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Date: 17 Sep 1994 20:03:05 GMT
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I need a dozen or so willing people to beta test an official POV for Linux.
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There's nothing particularly earth-shattering about this version ; it's more
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or less the same as Jeff Epler's SVGAlib port, but with a new X-Windows file
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and probably PPM support. I hope to have it ready in a day or so. Please
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email if you don't mind.
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regards,
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-- Chris
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==============================================================================
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| Chris Cason via Univ. of Western Australia : cjcason@yarrow.wt.uwa.edu.au |
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| Disclaimer : I don't work for/study at UWA. This is a commercial account |
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==============================================================================
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| POV by EMAIL : mail povray@yarrow.wt.uwa.edu.au with word HELP in body |
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| POV by FTP : FTP to ftp.uwa.edu.au and cd to pub/povray |
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| POV-Ray is a FREE raytracer for DOS, UNIX, VAX, Mac, Amiga, OS/2, etc. |
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| - check out the images in our HALL_OF_FAME/ and Images_of_the_month/ ! - |
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From: nick%ruly46.leidenuniv.nl (Nick Pearson)
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Subject: Re: Where are asm/delay.h and asm/unistd.h?
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Date: 20 Sep 1994 10:42:31 GMT
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Or even delete the asm directory and recreate it as a link to asm-i386.
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Nick
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From: tomb@bedford.progress.COM (Tom Barringer)
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Subject: Re: LILO
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Date: 20 Sep 1994 14:00:59 GMT
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Reply-To: tomb@progress.com
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In article <CwE3r8.KH@nvl.army.mil>, cburnett@nvl.army.mil (Chris Burnette) writes:
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|>
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|> Anyone know of a way to make LILO boot up DOS on default instead of
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|> Linux?
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Edit your /etc/lilo.conf file.
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The file contains 3-line descriptions of each bootable partition.
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(Lines starting with a hash mark '#' are comments.)
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The partition listed first is the one which will boot by default.
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--
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Tom Barringer : Progress Software Corp. : The Tall Conspiracy is looking
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QA Development : 14 Oak Park : for members. Please see the
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tomb@progress.com : Bedford, MA 01730 : recruitment flyer posted on
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GEnie: T.Barringer : #include <std/disclaim.i> : the top of your refrigerator.
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HREF="ftp://ftp.progress.com/tomb/tomb.html"
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From: bollerma@math.ruu.nl (Peter Bollerman)
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Subject: Re: XFree86 patch for DOOM 320x200 doublescan
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Reply-To: bollerma@math.ruu.nl
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Date: Tue, 20 Sep 1994 11:13:42 GMT
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In article Jow@tasking.nl, dicks@tasking.nl (Dick Streefland) writes:
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[%]I have made a small patch to the XFree86-2.1.1 release which
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[%]implements a "doublescan" flag that may be added to a mode line
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[%]in Xconfig, just like the "interlace" flag.
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Ok, but where can I find the source to patch it to?
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Also, before I start building, how do I find out if I have a programmable
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clock generator?
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How do I program it?
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Peter
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---
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I'd rather have a bottle in front of me
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than a frontal Lobotomy........... Jack Kilian, The Nighthawk
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From: paai@kub.nl (J.J. Paijmans)
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Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
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Subject: Re: Linux is a GNU system and the DWARF support
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Date: 20 Sep 1994 19:49:17 GMT
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In article <MIB.94Sep20122539@churchy.gnu.ai.mit.edu> mib@churchy.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Michael I Bushnell) writes:
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...
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>
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>--
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>+1 617 623 3248 (H) | En arche en ho logos,
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>+1 617 253 8568 (W) -+- kai ho logos en pros ton theon,
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>1105 Broadway | kai theos en ho logos.
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>Somerville, MA 02144 | Kai ho logos sarx egeneto,
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>mib@gnu.ai.mit.edu | kai eskenosen en hemin.
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With regards to your signature: Gamo to theo sou;
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(sorry, couldn't let that one pas..."
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Paai.
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From: m7469@abc.se (Erik Westlin)
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Subject: Re: Garnet, CLISP, Linux?
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Date: Tue, 20 Sep 1994 22:25:28 GMT
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HEAGYWS@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu wrote:
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: Does anyone have experience running Garnet with CLISP and Linux? I am
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: interested in trying it, but was concerned about speed, and how much
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: disk space it takes up. Also, I looked, but can't find CLX in my current
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: Linux setup. Does it normally come with the Slackware dist?
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: Any insight would be appreciated.
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Well I did compile it some months ago and I tried garnet and found it
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slow on my 386/33. It made an image-file of about 10 megs in size.
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Erik Westlin
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From: Robert_Broughton@mindlink.bc.ca (Robert Broughton)
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Subject: Where is ftape?
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Date: Mon, 19 Sep 94 01:23:33 -0800
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The subject says it all. I looked around on sunsite for it, and didn't find
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it.
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--
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*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
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Robert Broughton Robert_Broughton@mindlink.bc.ca
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"We calm and reassure. We embrace people with the message that we're
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all in it together. That our leaders are infallible and that there is
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nothing, absolutely nothing wrong." - Miles Drentell, _thirtysomething_
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From: duncan@lightning.eee.strath.ac.uk (Duncan THOMSON)
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Subject: Re: Linux, 40,000 Cover CD's
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Date: 20 Sep 1994 11:03:27 GMT
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In comp.os.linux.misc m3apc@csc.liv.ac.uk (A.P. Crossan) writes:
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> Anders Hedborg (ahe@elixir.e.kth.se) wrote:
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>> When is it supposed to be on the shelves? And what issue should I
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>> ask for?
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The issue of PC-Plus which is out *now* is the one you want. The CD
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has other (DOS/Windows) stuff on it besides Slackware, but it's there.
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It is the October issue.
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-Duncan
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--
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Duncan C Thomson, Instrumentation & Measurement | .__ _.._ .__._ _ , .___ _
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University of Strathclyde, Glasgow G1 1XW, UK | |_ (_ |_)|_ |_)/_\|\| | / \
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+44 41 552 4400 X2205 Fax: +44 41 552 2487 | |__._)| |__| \| || | | \_/
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<duncan@spd.eee.strathclyde.ac.uk> | -==- lingvo internacia -==-
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http://lightning.eee.strath.ac.uk/~duncan/ |
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From: acg@kzin.cen.ufl.edu (Alexandra Griffin)
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Subject: Re: Linux v. OS/2 and Desqview - DOS multitasking
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Date: 21 Sep 1994 01:47:56 GMT
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In article <CwED1x.1zo@acsu.buffalo.edu>, Lowell D Fass
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<lfass@acsu.buffalo.edu> wrote:
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>Does anyone know how Linux compares
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>with OS/2 and Desqview in terms of DOS multitasking (speed and crash
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>protection - I'm aware of which DOS programs don't run under Linux
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>yet). I currently use OS/2, which is great, but something of a
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>sludge, and I'm looking to get into the freeware world.
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>Any comments would be appreciated. Thanks.
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You're talking about running multiple DOSEMU sessions concurrently as
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a way of multitasking DOS stuff? I haven't tried OS/2, but my
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experience is that running DOS apps. under emulation in Linux is much
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slower than running the same programs under Desqview (or even MS-Win).
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There is a lot more overhead to support, both in terms of memory & CPU
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cycles. Filesystem access *might* be faster under Linux, though I've
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never benchmarked it. One very noticeable difference is that floppy
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disk use doesn't lock up the whole system, as happens under plain DOS.
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I'd say that the biggest flaw in DOSemu right now is that it does not
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use CPU time efficiently at all-- I've never been able to get the
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"HogThreshold" parameter in the config file to work under recent
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versions of the emulator, and any running DOS sessions will eat up as
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much CPU time as they can even when idle. For this reason you can't
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run multiple DOSEMUs at once and expect to have decent performance in
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the one you're using at any given moment... native Linux apps get
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zapped by this as well. I haven't heard many complaints about this,
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so it could be something unique to my setup that's causing it. Has
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anyone had better luck with curtailing DOSEMU's cpu-hogging?
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On the positive side, crash protection seems to be very good-- I've
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*never* had a program crash inside DOSEMU affect anything outside the
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emulator (native programs or other emulation sessions). However,
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DOSEMU does provide options like direct port access which, if enabled,
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can seriously weaken the protection layer.
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If your main intention is to multitask DOS applications, you might
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want to stick with Desqview or OS/2. They'll probably give you better
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performance and compatibility (DOSEMU can't yet run Windows 3.1, or
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any other programs requiring DPMI / DOS extender functions). If you'd
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like to run mostly native Unix apps. with occasional use of DOS
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emulation then Linux might be what you're looking for.
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-- alex
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From: "Michael A. Passineau" <mikep@mfa.com>
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux
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Subject: Linux and PCI compatibility
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Date: Tue, 20 Sep 1994 20:53:40 -0500 (CDT)
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Hello!
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Being new to Linux I have what may be a very newbie question about
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Linux's comaptibility with the PCI architecture.
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I have a DECpc XL 466d2 which comes with a PCI-based NCR 53C810 embedded
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SCSI controller which controls my hard disk and CDROM drive. The video
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card is VL bus DECpc 864 high res video adapter.
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I am very interested in Linux for this system, but want to find out if:
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1. The latest version of Linux is compatible with the above hardware?
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2. If it is compatible with the above hardware, can I get the OS,
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X-Windows, source, etc. on CDROM?
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Any help would be greatly appreciated!
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Best regards. . . Mike
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Michael A. Passineau
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mikep@mfa.com
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System Administrator
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Network Services Group - McHugh-Freeman
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414.798.8606, x329
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finger above for my PGP public key.
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"Besides, REAL computers have a rename() system call." :-)
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--Larry Wall
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#include <std_disclaimer.h>
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From: drew@frisbee.cs.Colorado.EDU (Drew Eckhardt)
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Crossposted-To: comp.periphs.scsi,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage
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Subject: Re: NCR PCI SCSI controllers
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Date: 21 Sep 1994 00:22:44 GMT
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In article <35lkvl$69@news.u.washington.edu>,
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Trent Piepho <xyzzy@u.washington.edu> wrote:
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>In article <35l7h3$lur@csnews.cs.colorado.edu>,
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>Drew Eckhardt <drew@frisbee.cs.Colorado.EDU> wrote:
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>
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>>If you need one with a BIOS chip, Nextor's model 93 is the only one I'm
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>>aware of, unless you want to go with an 825 based board (FAST+WIDE,
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>>requires two minor patches to make it work under Linux).
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>
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>Are these the kind of patches for things that nobody realized were
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>broken until now and will be included in a kernel RSN? Or the kind
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>that you have to apply yourself and give rise to catch-22 problems
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>installing Linux on a new machine?
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The kind that you have to install yourself, giving rise to the
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catch-22 problem. I don't have an '825 board, and was unable
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to test the code with the '825 so I didn't catch the omission of
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an
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'825'
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from two switch statements and a left over 2 inside an array that
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should have been dimensioned implicitly by the number of initializers.
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>>>Buslogic is an option, but they are expensive, and I want to see
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>>>if they are worth three times the NCR price.
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>>
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>>The Linux Buslogic drivers are a bit more mature. If you want top
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>>performance from _multiple_ devices accessed at the same time
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>>under Linux, right now instead of whenever I get arround to it (I need to
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>>finish debugging the new save/restore pointers code so the right
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>>values get restored after a SCSI context switch) you'll be happier with
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>>the Buslogic boards.
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>
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>Is this because of the hardware or the drivers?
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It's entirely a software problem, mostly due to a lack of time. Basically,
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having what worked of the driver stable by the publication of the July
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issue of iX Multiuser Multitasking Magazine and lecture notes for
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Heidelberg took precedence over getting that working correctly.
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I spent a day getting the seriously broken context switching
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code fixed, but haven't had a chance to fix the current flaw in
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the save/restore pointers code.
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(FYI, Stefan Esser has it working fine under his Free BSD driver)
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>Will the NCR boards be as fast as the Buslogic ones as soon as your
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>drivers get more mature?
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Throughput should be somewhat higher, although CPU usage should be
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slightly worse with the NCR boards (More complicated structures
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are generated, taking more host CPU cycles).
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>Or are the Buslogic boards inherently better
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If you want Adaptec 154x compatability for some reason (Ie, you
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need to run an old copy of Xenix), yes.
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Also, the Buslogic boards have onboard active termination where as
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the NCR boards I've seen have been passively terminated. IMHO,
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this isn't really an issue, since you're still looking at a factor
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of three price disparity after picking up an active terminator.
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>(why the price difference anyway)?
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1. Parts count
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2. As far as I know, the Buslogic 946 board is unique in that it's
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the only Adaptec 154x compatable PCI board.
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3. People have allways payed $200-$300 for
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bus mastering SCSI controllers. If they're still
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willing to pay that price, why should Buslogic
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lower their prices?
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4. Multiple sources.
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--
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Since our leaders won't respect The Constitution, the highest law of our
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country, you can't expect them to obey lesser laws of any country.
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Boycott the United States until this changes.
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