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Subject: Linux-Activists Digest #214
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From: Digestifier <Linux-Activists-Request@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>
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To: Linux-Activists@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU
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Reply-To: Linux-Activists@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU
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Date: Thu, 9 Sep 93 12:13:13 EDT
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Linux-Activists Digest #214, Volume #6 Thu, 9 Sep 93 12:13:13 EDT
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Contents:
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Re: 2 IDE Drives ? (James Fidell)
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xlock / gnuplot / doc hang m/c under X (Derek Jones)
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[Q] PhotoCD Access ? (Ian Parkin)
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can i get PPP for linux? (Thomas Niederreiter)
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Setting up an Address. (Paul Trouton)
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printing & BogoMips (Tim Lacy)
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Re: Compiling a man page (Lars Wirzenius)
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Re: printing & BogoMips (Lars Wirzenius)
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Re: CL5426 graphics board? (Jerome Lacroix)
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Re: Can you port Linux to my Refrigerator? (Alan Cox)
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Re: Multimedia (Alan Cox)
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Re: Multimedia (Rich Mulvey)
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Re: [Q] PhotoCD Access ? (Alan Cox)
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Re: What are the various PC bassed Unix box OS? ("Alex R.N. Wetmore")
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Re: What are the various PC bassed Unix box OS? (Alan Cox)
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xlock under pl12 (John Fauerbach)
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Re: Linux 'port to 16-bit machines?? (Markus Nullmeier)
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rlogin problem (John Fauerbach)
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Re: [Q] PhotoCD Access ? (Markus Nullmeier)
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Re: Can you port Linux to my Refrigerator? (Brandon S. Allbery)
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Re: printing & BogoMips (Markus Nullmeier)
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From: jfid@mfltd.co.uk (James Fidell)
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Subject: Re: 2 IDE Drives ?
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Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1993 08:38:20 GMT
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In article <1993Sep8.224948.292@news.dfrf.nasa.gov>, davisrj@arts.dfrf.nasa.gov (Roy Davis) writes:
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> Hi all,
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>
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> I'm just about ready to toss linux on my 386 (waiting for that new hard
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> drive to get here). Looked at this group for the fist time today and saw
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> something about 5-600 articles old about a problem with linux and 2 IDE
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> hard drives. I was hoping to just add the new drive in as the second
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> without changing the first so could somebody tell me exactly what the problem
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> was. I think it had to do with using LILO to boot from the different
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> partitions (something I hope to do).
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I'm running 2 IDE disks off one IDE interface, and I've not had any
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trouble so far. If the disks are of different makes, then you may want
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to get the hard disk data file from comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware -- it covers
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nearly everything you could want to know about chaining two IDE drives
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together. Setting master/slave links can be fun. I can e-mail you an
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old copy of the file if you need it.
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On the other hand, if you want to use to disks on two separate IDE cards,
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then I think you need some kernel patches. I can't be sure, but I think
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you'll find what you need in the ``atdisk'' package.
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James.
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"Yield to temptation -- |
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it may not pass your way again" | jfid@mfltd.co.uk
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- Lazarus Long | James Fidell
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From: derek@aivru.sheffield.ac.uk (Derek Jones)
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Subject: xlock / gnuplot / doc hang m/c under X
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Date: 9 Sep 1993 04:50:31 -0400
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Reply-To: derek@aivru.sheffield.ac.uk (Derek Jones)
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I have gnuplot running fine. It works in dumb terminal mode, - I can
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run through the whole of all.demo just fine. When I run it under X, it
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hangs my machine when it gets to the second sync function example.
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The machine continues to sync (sorry for the confusion) the disk OK, so
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I actually haven't lost any data (yet) by resetting.
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What's worse (in a sense) is that the X screensavers do it too 8-( .
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(doc also does it, - I mentioned this in a previous posting but no-one
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replied...)
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After some time when they've been running happily, - hang. -> RESET!
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Running: 386DX 20MHz 8Mb mem, ULSI 387 Co-pro (I did wonder if it was
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this....?) Slackware, pl12 + Linus' patch kernel, IDE drivers in, SLIP in.
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I'm quite prepared to re-build the kernel with some alteration, - no
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problem since I've done it several times. Or, is it a shared library problem
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or some such? (I went straight for the Slackware pl12a dist'n then to the pl12
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kernel some days later and then applied Linus' patch. I've added SLIP since
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and taken out SCSI support for the time being.)
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Help?
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Keep up the very good work everyone!
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Derek
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--
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Derek Jones.
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System Manager.
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A.I. Vision Research Unit, Sheffield University, Western Bank,
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Sheffield. S10 2TN. U.K.
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Tel: (+44) (0)742 826551 email: derek@aivru.sheffield.ac.uk
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FAX: (+44) (0)742 766515
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From: iparkin@iris.bt.co.uk (Ian Parkin)
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Subject: [Q] PhotoCD Access ?
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Reply-To: iparkin@iris.bt.co.uk
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Date: 09 Sep 93 10:06:13 GMT
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Is anyone accessing Kodak PhotCD's from linux ?
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Any alpha/beta drivers available ?
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IAP
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From: p7003ad@sun3.LRZ-Muenchen.DE (Thomas Niederreiter)
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Subject: can i get PPP for linux?
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Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1993 09:37:59 GMT
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Hi all!
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Is anybody out there you is running PPP with linux?
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I am just searching where I can the sources or binaries for
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ppp.
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I hope someone can tell me where to find them.
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Thanx in advance,
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Thomas Niederreiter
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| Thomas Niederreiter |
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| alias HOR (It's not a bug, It's a feature) |
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| p7003ad@sunmail.lrz-muenchen.de |
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From: ptrouton@bfsec.bt.co.uk (Paul Trouton)
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Subject: Setting up an Address.
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Reply-To: ptrouton@bfsec.bt.co.uk
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Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1993 09:33:09 GMT
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I am running Linux at home on a 486. I have access through work to Email and Internet
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News. I love these two services very much and am afraid of loosing them if I changed my job. For this reason I am considering buying a modem and working from home. My idea
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is this. If I was allowed to keep my account at work, could I forward my mail and news to home. Should I do this by simply downloading mail etc at night, or would it be better to put in a line, with a modem and keep it on line.
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Is there such a thing as a modem that I can leave on and that will store Email and other info, without the computer having to be on.
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Could you reccommend a modem for use with linux at home. I need Email and internet services.
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Can I get an internet number for use with FTP? is it costly? is it possible?
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Can my account in work forward News to my home address? Or will I have to log into work and read news online?
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If I loose my account in work, where else can I log onto to get access to internet News without having to pay a fortune for the service.
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In Brief I want help on what hardware and software I need to be able to use FTP, EMAIL and Internet News facilities at home.
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Thanks in advance Paul...
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From: timla@microsoft.com (Tim Lacy)
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Subject: printing & BogoMips
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Date: 09 Sep 93 05:53:29 GMT
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Two completely unrelated questions:
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1. I have not been able to get lpr,lpd,etc to work right.
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/usr/spool/lpd
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/usr/spool/lp1
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/dev/lp1 is linked to /dev/printer ( actually, the reverse is true )
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lpd starts and stays running from my rc.local script
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lpc says all is well, things get queued, no daemon present
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lpc start, stop, up, down all produce expected results, except for the
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'no daemon present' comment.
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I have tried everything I've read here to get it to work. I can call:
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print /etc/gettydefs
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and ir works just fine, but nothing gets printed with
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lpr /etc/gettydefs
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Any more hints?
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2. What is a BogoMip? My compiles ( kernel) take forever.
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I have a 386DX33 with 16 Mb, two 210 Mb IDE Drives, two 10 Mb swaps.
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And of course, '5.86 BogoMips' - is this a reasonable number?
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Thanks,
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--Tim
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<timla@microsoft.com>
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<timla@cyberspace.com>
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From: wirzeniu@kruuna.Helsinki.FI (Lars Wirzenius)
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Subject: Re: Compiling a man page
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Date: 9 Sep 93 11:30:43 GMT
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elliottm@csulb.edu (Mike Elliott) writes:
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> Try specifying -Tascii -man as command line options;
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Exactly. In case anyone misses the obvious, if you look at
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uninstalled man pages a lot, the following script comes in handy:
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#!/bin/sh
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groff -Tascii -man $* | less
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(a real masterpiece of software engineering :-)
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I call my copy manroff.
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--
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Lars.Wirzenius@helsinki.fi (finger wirzeniu@klaava.helsinki.fi)
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MS-DOS, you can't live with it, you can live without it.
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From: wirzeniu@kruuna.Helsinki.FI (Lars Wirzenius)
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Subject: Re: printing & BogoMips
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Date: 9 Sep 1993 14:45:14 +0300
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timla@microsoft.com (Tim Lacy) writes:
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> 2. What is a BogoMip?
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MIPS is short for Millions of Instructions Per Second. It is a
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measure for the computation speed of a program. Like most such
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measures, it is more often abused than used properly (it is very
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difficult to justly compare MIPS for different kinds of computers).
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BogoMips are Linus's invention. The kernel (or was it a device
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driver?) needs a timing loop (the time is too short and/or needs to be
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too exact for a non-busy-loop method of waiting), which must be
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calibrated to the processor speed of the machine. Hence, the kernel
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measures at boot time how fast a certain kind of busy loop runs on a
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computer. "Bogo" comes from "bogus", i.e, something which is a fake.
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(See the Jargon File for more information.) Hence, the BogoMips value
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gives some indication of the processor speed, but it is way too
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unscientific to be called anything but BogoMips.
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The reasons (there are two) it is printed during bootup is that a) it
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is slightly useful for debugging and for checking that the computers
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caches and turbo button work, and b) Linus loves to chuckle when he
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sees confused people on the news.
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> My compiles ( kernel) take forever. I have a 386DX33 with 16 Mb,
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> two 210 Mb IDE Drives, two 10 Mb swaps. And of course, '5.86
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> BogoMips' - is this a reasonable number?
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My machine is 386DX33, 8 MB, 64 kB memory cache, 109 MB IDE, 12 MB
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swap partition, about 5.99 BogoMips. I think your BogoMips sound
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reasonable.
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What is "forever"? My kernel compiles take around 20 min (depending
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on configuration options), when not running anything else (i.e., no
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X). If yours are significantly slower, there might be something wrong
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in your setup. Are your swaps files or partitions? Partitions are
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much faster.
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--
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Lars.Wirzenius@helsinki.fi (finger wirzeniu@klaava.helsinki.fi)
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MS-DOS, you can't live with it, you can live without it.
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From: ah379@Freenet.carleton.ca (Jerome Lacroix)
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Subject: Re: CL5426 graphics board?
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Reply-To: ah379@Freenet.carleton.ca (Jerome Lacroix)
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Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1993 12:00:18 GMT
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In a previous article, smp@solaria.mil.wi.us (Steven M. Palm) says:
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>I just got a CL5426 graphics card. I believe the chipset is a Cyrix
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>chipset. Does anyone know if this is supported in Linux for X?
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>Thanks one and all.
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According to Linux Systems Labs. (1-800-705-7383), Linux is supposed to
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support the CL-GD54xx series video cards by Cirrus Logic.
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Regards,
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Jerome Lacroix
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ah379@freenet.carleton.ca
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From: iiitac@swan.pyr (Alan Cox)
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Subject: Re: Can you port Linux to my Refrigerator?
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Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1993 10:58:14 GMT
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In article <1993Sep8.161642.21708@amoco.com> zjoc01@hou.amoco.com writes:
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>It may not be Linux, but even the vernible COCO from Radio $hark has run
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>OS9 (a Unix clone) for years...
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OS9 is _not_ a Unix clone. OS9 is a small very neat modular real time OS.
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It just happens to be a nice multi-user environment on tiny computers too.
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We must also not forget UZI on CP/M systems.
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Alan
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From: iiitac@swan.pyr (Alan Cox)
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Subject: Re: Multimedia
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Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1993 11:34:54 GMT
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In article <26m7jb$nol@access.digex.net> brettm@access.digex.net (Brett Michaels) writes:
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>I understand what can be done with CD Players and Sound Cards under DOS,
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>Sun, MS Windows, etc. What can Linux do? Any FAQs or other sources?
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Linux supports most common sound cards and several CD-ROM drives (like the
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Mitsumi). There are programs like workman for playing audio CD's. THere is
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also an MPEG player (mpeg_play) available for X windows, although this likes
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a fast video card, a fastish computer and preferably the X server reconfigured
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for shared memory buffer support. The mpeg player doesn't yet support combined
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audio/video playing.
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Unlike MS-Windows Linux supports tcp/ip based network audio - so you can play
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sounds from remote hosts (rplay) and you can play mpeg movies across the network
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(clobbers the network bandwidth 8-)).
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It's not yet a nice integrated piece but the bits are all there.
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Alan
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From: rich@mulvey.com (Rich Mulvey)
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Subject: Re: Multimedia
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Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1993 08:30:32 EDT
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brettm@access.digex.net (Brett Michaels) writes:
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> I understand what can be done with CD Players and Sound Cards under DOS,
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> Sun, MS Windows, etc. What can Linux do? Any FAQs or other sources?
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As in my previous note, it depends on the app. Give us specifics, and
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we can give you answers. :-)
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- Rich
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Rich Mulvey Amateur Radio: N2VDS 787 Elmwood Terrace
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rich@mulvey.com Rochester, NY 14620
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From: iiitac@swan.pyr (Alan Cox)
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Subject: Re: [Q] PhotoCD Access ?
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Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1993 12:38:28 GMT
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Its probably worth answering this as an article rather than by mail
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PhotoCD is an unpublished secret format protected in the US by countless
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software patents and squads of lawyers. There is nothing actually special
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about reading photo-cd disks so long as you have a multi-session cd-rom.
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Unfortunately to produce photo-cd software you have to license it all and
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sign an NDA.
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Now as it happens if you look on alt.sources archives you'll find a
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preproduction photo-cd reader for various systems, which should port
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to Linux.
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Alan
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iiitac@pyr.swan.ac.uk
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From: "Alex R.N. Wetmore" <aw2t+@andrew.cmu.edu>
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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.misc,comp.os.386bsd.misc
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Subject: Re: What are the various PC bassed Unix box OS?
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Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1993 09:52:55 -0400
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Excerpts from netnews.comp.os.386bsd.misc: 9-Sep-93 Re: What are the
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various PC.. by Jeff Stern@aris.ss.uci.e
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> Wouldn't this, however, be an argument *for* getting a 486? I am just
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> wondering, as I have heard that UNIX on a 486 should conceivably run
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> better because the 486's hardware, especially if it has a local bus,
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> accesses peripherals, especially the hard drive, much more
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> efficiently, so that users are not as affected by others using the
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> drive...
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The hardware is pretty much the same as on 386 systems (which is why a
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lot of motherboards let you plug in a 386 or 486 these days). Local bus
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should speed up disk access (esp with scsi) and video access, but you
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can get local bus for 386 machines as well.
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I agree with the above statement that you really don't need a 486 (I
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used to run bsd on a 386dx/16 with a 387 very happily, but wanted more
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memory which meant buying a new motherboard, so I got a 486sx).
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On the other hand with MB prices being so low these days (about a $30
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difference between a 386/33 and a 486sx/25) why not just buy the 486...
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alex
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc,comp.unix.misc
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From: iiitac@swan.pyr (Alan Cox)
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Subject: Re: What are the various PC bassed Unix box OS?
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Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1993 12:40:23 GMT
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In article <2C8E9252.3016@news.service.uci.edu> jstern@aris.ss.uci.edu (Jeff Stern) writes:
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>Wouldn't this, however, be an argument *for* getting a 486? I am just
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>wondering, as I have heard that UNIX on a 486 should conceivably run
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>better because the 486's hardware, especially if it has a local bus,
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>accesses peripherals, especially the hard drive, much more
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>efficiently, so that users are not as affected by others using the
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>drive...
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I said a 486 wasn't that vital talking on CPU grounds. I've not run a local
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bus machine, but faster video card and disk driving would be a huge asset.
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Yes it probably is a very good argument.
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Alan
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iiitac@pyr.swan.ac.uk
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From: fauerbac@clyde.cs.unca.edu (John Fauerbach)
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Subject: xlock under pl12
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Date: 9 Sep 1993 14:41:58 GMT
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I upgrade to pl12 from Slackware and my xlock will not work right. It
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keeps givien me an invaild password when I enter my password. Any ideas?
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John Fauerbach
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From: af8t@aixfile2.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (Markus Nullmeier)
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Subject: Re: Linux 'port to 16-bit machines??
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Date: 9 Sep 1993 15:02:36 GMT
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In article <CCs502.4Mz@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Larry Doolittle (doolitt@cebaf4.cebaf.gov) writes:
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> 8088's are too slow to be useful for anything anymore. *
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They may come in handy with an ethernet card and NCSA Telnet,
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with reasonable speed (for an MHz 8088, that is).
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> a '286 would be worth it.
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A 4MB 286 might serve as an low-end X-terminal.
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Some company sells a very old X11R3 server which runs
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on top of Windows (-> slooow...). Any Ideas about
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related freeware?
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> Does gcc even support the '286?
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I've been told that GCC is able to compile for 16-bit target
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processors, but don't know if somebody has had worked out that
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for the 8086 or 286 yet.
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Markus Nullmeier af8t@ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de
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From: fauerbac@clyde.cs.unca.edu (John Fauerbach)
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Subject: rlogin problem
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Date: 9 Sep 1993 14:47:10 GMT
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Has anyone else have problems with rlogin. It works for me about half
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the time and the rest of the time it gives me a "User defined signal 1"
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it then runs my .cshrc and .login and exits the remote workstation. My
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other problem is when I press control-c on the remote workstation, it
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closes my connection. This does not happen when I telnet in. I have
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had this problem since pl9 and I am currently on pl12. Any ideas out
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there?
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Thanks,
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John Fauerbach
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From: af8t@aixfile2.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (Markus Nullmeier)
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Subject: Re: [Q] PhotoCD Access ?
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Date: 9 Sep 1993 15:44:54 GMT
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In article <1993Sep9.123828.18922@swan.pyr> Alan Cox (iiitac@swan.pyr) writes:
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> Now as it happens if you look on alt.sources archives you'll find a
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> preproduction photo-cd reader for various systems, which should port
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> to Linux.
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Is this the same pice of software written about in the
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August UnixWorld by Alan Southerton (sp?) ?
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Markus Nullmeier af8t@ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de
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From: bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery)
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Subject: Re: Can you port Linux to my Refrigerator?
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Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1993 15:43:20 GMT
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In article <1993Sep9.105814.6130@swan.pyr> iiitac@swan.pyr (Alan Cox) writes:
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>In article <1993Sep8.161642.21708@amoco.com> zjoc01@hou.amoco.com writes:
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>>It may not be Linux, but even the vernible COCO from Radio $hark has run
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>>OS9 (a Unix clone) for years...
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>OS9 is _not_ a Unix clone. OS9 is a small very neat modular real time OS.
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Everything I've heard about OS/9 indicates that it was specifically designed
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to be Unix-like.
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++Brandon
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Brandon S. Allbery kf8nh@kf8nh.ampr.org bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org
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"MSDOS didn't get as bad as it is overnight -- it took over ten years
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of careful development." ---dmeggins@aix1.uottawa.ca
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From: af8t@aixfile2.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (Markus Nullmeier)
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Subject: Re: printing & BogoMips
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Date: 9 Sep 1993 15:51:37 GMT
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In article <26n50a$j8m@kruuna.Helsinki.FI> Lars Wirzenius (wirzeniu@kruuna.Helsinki.FI) writes:
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> BogoMips are Linus's invention. The kernel (or was it a device
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> driver?) needs a timing loop (the time is too short and/or needs to be
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> too exact for a non-busy-loop method of waiting)
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The cheap QIC-80 hardware reportedly needs such strange methods of timing.
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Markus Nullmeier af8t@ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de
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