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From: Digestifier <Linux-Development-Request@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu>
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To: Linux-Development@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Reply-To: Linux-Development@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Date: Tue, 1 Mar 94 14:13:08 EST
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Subject: Linux-Development Digest #512
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Linux-Development Digest #512, Volume #1 Tue, 1 Mar 94 14:13:08 EST
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Contents:
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Re: Attention Linux Adaptec developers (Peter Herweijer)
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Driver for dumb digiboard? (Theodore Ts'o)
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eth0: transmit timed out in PL15h (Peter Suetterlin)
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Re: Specialix driver (Tim Smith)
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Re: serial driver woes (Rob Janssen)
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Reboot is being flaky.. (Dan Miner)
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Looking for help debugging kernel problems (Rich Braun)
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Re: Serial problem with 0.99.15: tty65: input overrun (Erik Petersen)
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Re: structs ip and icmp not defined in pl15h (Alan Cox)
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Re: Specialix driver (Alan Cox)
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Re: Help! GCC errors (Mitchum DSouza)
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[Q] how do I track down a recurring crash? (Jerod Tufte)
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Re: Linux Darkstar 0.99.15 #2 Sat Jan 1 21:36:13 MET 1994 Alpha ?? (Philippe Steindl)
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Re: structs ip and icmp not defined in pl15h (J Rozes)
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From: pieterh@sci.kun.nl (Peter Herweijer)
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Subject: Re: Attention Linux Adaptec developers
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Date: Tue, 1 Mar 1994 12:07:58 GMT
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rapchun@suicide.sdsu.edu (David Rapchun) writes:
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> [some silly question that he need not have asked if he'd taken the
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> trouble to actually read the group instead of wasting other's time,
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> followed by a particularly obnoxious .sig]
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Your .sig is not only way too big, but utterly pathetic. What does it
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represent? Subliminal messages or something? I hope nobody takes the
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trouble to answer your question until you learn how to behave yourself.
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Thank you.
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Peter Herweijer
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pieterh@sci.kun.nl
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From: tytso@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Theodore Ts'o)
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Subject: Driver for dumb digiboard?
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Date: 1 Mar 1994 08:36:04 -0500
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Reply-To: tytso@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Theodore Ts'o)
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From: jjw@seastar.org (John Welch)
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Date: Fri, 25 Feb 1994 01:15:51 GMT
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We are considering switching over from SCO Xenix to Linux, but
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have run into a snarl - it doesn't appear that Linux supports the old,
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dumb 8-port Digiboard that we currently use.
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Have I just missed it in serial.c? Or does anybody know where
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such a beastie might be obtained? ADVthanksANCE.
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If it's a dumb digibaord (as opposed to their newer "intelligent"
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boards) , the Linux serial driver will support it just fine. Just get
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the "setserial" utility from tsx-11.mit.edu, in /pub/linux/sources/sbin,
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and install it on your system. Then edit /etc/rc.serial so that the
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appropriate ports and interrupts for the digiboards are configured
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correctly. It will all work!
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- Ted
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From: pit@lupo.kis.uni-freiburg.de (Peter Suetterlin)
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Subject: eth0: transmit timed out in PL15h
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Date: 1 Mar 1994 09:05:37 GMT
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Hello World!
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Yesterday I observed a problem with my Ethernet connection to our local
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network. I'm not quite shure if this is related to the other network
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problems reported in this group. (These were about unreachable networks
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at boottime). Well, my connection comes up with no problems, with all
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services running ok (I'm using the new mount)
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Then, I got the message
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eth0: transmit timed out, TX status 0x9c, ISR 0x0
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eth0: Possible network cable problem?
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After that, networking broke down and only a reboot fixed it (I tried to
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re-ifconfig and re-route, but no help).
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Well, first, it is *not* a cable problem, as it does not occur in pl15b.
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I tried to trace a bit back and noticed that the problem arises during
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heavy use of X-connections to remote hosts (I was doing Image processing
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with a lot of windows opened, displaying color images and plots).
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OTOH it seems not connected to the real amount of data going through
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the net, as I can FTP large amounts of data without problems.
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Has anyone else observed that? Where should I look to I get more info
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about the problem?
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Here's my config:
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486DX/2-66VL, 3com 503 Etherlink card, Slackware 1.1.0, PL15h
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Regards and thanks for any hints,
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Peter
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---------------------- Peter 'PIT' Suetterlin -------------------
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| Kiepenheuer Institut | Sternfreunde | Planetarium Freiburg |
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| fuer Sonnenphysik | Breisgau e.V | |
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| 0761/3198-210 | 0761/71571 | 0761/276099 |
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-pit@lupo.kis.uni-freiburg.de---!! Hey, this is my linux box !!------
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From: tzs@u.washington.edu (Tim Smith)
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Subject: Re: Specialix driver
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Date: 1 Mar 1994 09:29:06 GMT
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Robert Sanders <gt8134b@prism.gatech.EDU> wrote:
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>If I distribute .o files to link into the kernel, having included none
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>of the include files and used no .c files distributed with the kernel,
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>have I not created a derivative work? If not, then the GPL is and has
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No, you've not created a derivative work. You have made it easier for
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someone else to do so (the person who actually links), and this may
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make you liable for contributory infrigement.
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--Tim Smith
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From: rob@pe1chl.ampr.org (Rob Janssen)
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Subject: Re: serial driver woes
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Date: Tue, 1 Mar 1994 09:26:47 GMT
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Reply-To: pe1chl@rabo.nl
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In <2kud5g$lm7@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> gkm@tmn.com (Greg McGary) writes:
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>I've been wrestling with the linux 0.99.15 serial driver for a couple of
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>days now with limited success. I would appreciate hearing from others
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>who have delved into the serial/tty/ns16550a morass.
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>Here are my findings, in no particular order:
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>* I found at least three bugs in the calculation & deployment of
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> rs_timer() timeouts, with the net result that timeouts intended to
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> happen within a few jiffies don't happen for 60 seconds! When an
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> interrupt is lost (and they are lost with some frequency), the
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> driver waits all that time before things start up again. I
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> discovered this after noting that uucp performance on my 14,400bps
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> modem (with 16550a UART) was miserable due to 60 second dry-spells
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> in transmission every 20-30Kb transferred. I fixed this, and got a
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> significant improvement, but other problems still exist...
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I think that when you lose interrupts with some frequency, something
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is amiss with the hardware. Maybe you try to share interrupts using
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some unreliable circuitry? (or no circuitry at all)
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>Now, some questions:
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>* Is the Linux serial driver generally known to be buggy/unreliable at
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> high speed, or is there something about my hardware configuration
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> that's causing me problems that others don't have?
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I am using it at 76800 bps with a modified 16550a card, and can transfer
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compressable files at 71000 bps without overrun on my 486/33 with SCSI disk.
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>* Are there multiple versions of the 16550a, some of which don't
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> work--possibly like mine! :-(
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the a-type is supposed to work. the plain 16550 doesn't.
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Rob
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--
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| Rob Janssen | AMPRnet: rob@pe1chl.ampr.org |
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| e-mail: pe1chl@rabo.nl | AX.25 BBS: PE1CHL@PI8UTR.#UTR.NLD.EU |
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From: dminer@nyx10.cs.du.edu (Dan Miner)
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Subject: Reboot is being flaky..
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Date: Tue, 1 Mar 94 09:24:23 GMT
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I've been getting the one for a while now. It is just getting too
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annoying for me. *grin*
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When I use reboot (from SysVInit 2.4), I will sometimes get a reboot
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(soft) of the computer. Other times, it will beep a lot at me and
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"lockup". But I can still do alt-cntl-del, and it will beep a lot.
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It keeps this up til I do a hard reset (or power down.. very rare).
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The only thing I can determine is a common factor of time.. It I don't
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reboot my computer for a day or so, it will do the "beeping game".
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Otherwise, it "usually" works fine. Is there any way I can look into
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this problem to GIVE a better possible bug report?
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Dan
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PS. I remember the problem from poeigl too, but it didn't show up
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til about the 0.99.14.
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--
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Dan Miner dminer@nyx.cs.du.edu
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Future student Linux: try it, you'll like.
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"Your program is encoded in pi." I started with a 64
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From: richb@pioneer.ci.net (Rich Braun)
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Subject: Looking for help debugging kernel problems
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Date: Tue, 1 Mar 1994 13:35:50 GMT
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Apologies in advance if this is an RTFM question...
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I would like to find the exact location of the bugs which are causing my
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pl15{bdefh} system to crash. I want to find out why the serial driver
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isn't talking to all 8 ports on the Gtek BBS550 board recently
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installed. The system ran for 13 months with only one crash (pl10a)
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until I upgraded from pl13 to pl15 on the 8th of February. Since
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then, it's been improving with each new kernel downloaded from
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ftp.funet.fi (kudos to the developers for all their great work in the
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month of February), but it still doesn't have the same old reliability
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for which I first came to respect Linux.
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How do I (a) get a crash dump, (b) poke at the serial-board hardware; and
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(b) otherwise get information about the kernel's status when things go haywire?
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When pl15h crashed yesterday, it could respond to 'pings' over the Internet,
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but all processes were hung.
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Thanks,
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-rich
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--
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Question Reality. ____ New England Community Internet
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See URL http://www.pn.com \ / NECI: neci-info@pioneer.ci.net
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Home: richb@pioneer.ci.net \/ Work: braun@leds.enet.dec.com
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From: erik@errant.north.net (Erik Petersen)
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Subject: Re: Serial problem with 0.99.15: tty65: input overrun
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Date: Tue, 1 Mar 1994 06:43:48 GMT
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Rob Janssen (rob@pe1chl.ampr.org) wrote:
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: > I get this too using 0.99.15(c or e). It has happened when I use
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: >mgetty to record a voice file from a ZyXEL modem. I am also set to 56k
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: >using a 16550A. What the heck is tty65 anyway, there isn't even one in my
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: >/dev directory.
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: tty65 = the tty with minor number 65. can have whatever name you choose
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: in /dev!
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: BTW, this problem does not occur at my system, and I'm using 76800 bps.
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: I think it is related to using an IDE disk, which does data transfers
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: with interrupts disabled. I'm using an Adaptec 1542B which does not have
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: that problem.
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Even though this is gettying :-) silly, I'll add my two cents...
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I had this problem in a big way and found the problem to involve
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using getty on a modem line. Now I'm not sure about exactly what is
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going on but...I have three serial ports 2-16450 1-16550A. The modem
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is on the 16550A and I have a serial mouse and a 286 running telix
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(it has a 16450 so the line runs at 4800) on the other 16450. The
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last time I opened my machine, I put the modem on the terminal and
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the terminal on the modem designated ports by accident. The next
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thing you know, tty65 errors all over the place.
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To fix it, I switched the cables and presto, no errors. I think the
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problem is in gettydefs and the way the port is initialized. Since
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my modem will auto baud the DTE speed (4800 in this case) I don't
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think it was overloading the UART. What I suspect (and I'm probably
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wrong) is that by using the wrong gettydefs setting the ports went
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nuts. I noticed that the modem RXD lights were flashing continuously
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(maybe due the the CLOCAL setting) and the terminal didn't work
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(fully expected). The errors occured directly parallel with the RXD
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burst on the modem.
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This problem has been nagging in this group for sometime and I have
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yet to see an answer. This would be nice and might lay in the
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gettydefs file. If you have this problem, you might want to check
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there.
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BTW: The modem usually is served by uugetty but, due to the port
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switch, was being managed by getty.
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--
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Erik Petersen erik@errant.north.net
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Errant on the Internet V 416.699.8959
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Toronto, ON Canada F 416.699.5902
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From: iiitac@swan.pyr (Alan Cox)
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Subject: Re: structs ip and icmp not defined in pl15h
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Date: Tue, 1 Mar 1994 14:27:49 GMT
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In article <JROZES.94Feb28165957@allegro.cs.tufts.edu> jrozes@allegro.cs.tufts.edu (J Rozes) writes:
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>I was just porting the NetBSD timed and interestingly, I found that
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><linux/ip.h> and <linux/icmp.h> do not define struct ip and struct icmp,
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>respectively. I did some grep'ing to see if they were defined elsewhere,
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>but came up with nothing.
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>
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>I'm using the standard pl15, patched to pl15h, all taken from nic.funet.fi.
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>No net3 code or anything like that; it's a vanilla kernel (+ppp). Sooo...
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>is this a mistake, a "feature" or am I just (likely) missing something?
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You are missing the fact Linux is _NOT_ NetBSD basically. If you get the
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bsd/netinet files from sunacm.swan.ac.uk and install those then compile
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with -Ibsd you should be ok (these are the compatibility includes).
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Alternatively have a look at Florian de la Roche's excellent ports of
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most of the NetBSD tools to see how its done 'properly' as it were.
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Alan
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From: iiitac@swan.pyr (Alan Cox)
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Subject: Re: Specialix driver
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Date: Tue, 1 Mar 1994 14:33:13 GMT
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In article <2kd0m4$9q@melchior.frmug.fr.net> thomas@melchior.frmug.fr.net (Thomas Quinot) writes:
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>Jon Brawn (jonb@specialix.com) wrote:
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>: IF Specialix were to write a driver for SI on Linux, we could NOT release the
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>: source of the download code into the public domain AT ALL. We COULD supply a
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>: binary file with it in. The Linux driver source would be made available.
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>But... Why couldn't you license it under the GNU General Public License ?
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>This has nothing to do with public domain, and Linux is _not_ public domain
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>software...
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It would be OK I guess, not ideal and I don't like it - I certainly wouldn't
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buy the card. Given that some of the other manufacturers pretty much said
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'Of course we give you documentation, its standard' [That's a quote from
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a man from Accent who do a nice smart 8 port card]. I ceased to have the need
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for more than 6 ports so I got an accent 4 port card to go with my 2 other
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ports but they if anything sounded keen on the idea.
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Alan
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iiitac@pyr.swan.ac.uk
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From: Mitchum DSouza <m.dsouza@mrc-apu.cam.ac.uk>
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Subject: Re: Help! GCC errors
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Date: 1 Mar 1994 11:42:00 -0500
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Reply-To: m.dsouza@mrc-apu.cam.ac.uk
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Dean Junk:
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| I just upgraded to .99.15 kernel from .99.14 kernel along with the
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| following libraries:
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| ld.so.1.4.3
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| libc.so.4.5.21
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| libm.so.4.5.21
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| and the following tar archives:
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| image-4.5.21
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| inc-4.5.21
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| I am having the following problem compiling xmix:
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| /usr/lib/libgcc.sa(__libc.o): Definition of symbol __NEEDS_SHRLIB_libc_4 (multiply defined)
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| /usr/lib/libc.sa(__libc.o): Definition of symbol __NEEDS_SHRLIB_libc_4 (multiply defined)
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| make: *** [xmix] Error 1
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| Do you have any ideas? I have everything else working great but this!
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| System setup:
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| 386DX-40 AMD
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| 16MB Memory
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| 2-250 WD IDE HD's
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| Mitsumi CD-ROM
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| SB Multi-CD 16 card
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| Conner 250MB Tape Backup
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| 3.5" Floppy
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| 5.25" Floppy
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| 14400 Pract Per modem
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| Linux .99.15 from sunsite.unc.edu
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| gcc 2.4.5
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| xfree 2.0
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Do one of the following.
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1) Read the library release notes TO THE LETTER - EVERY SINGLE SENTENCE.
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2) Read the GCC-FAQ before asking GCC related queries.
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Mitch
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From: jet5@pyrite.SOM.CWRU.Edu (Jerod Tufte)
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Subject: [Q] how do I track down a recurring crash?
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Date: 1 Mar 1994 16:59:59 GMT
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here's the situation:
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Any time I run a program under X that has a high redraw rate, i.e.
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xtank, netrek, xboing, etc, and a sound is played, I get a freeze-up.
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I've tried having sounds go to both dsp and audio, and running multiple
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programs and every time, the machine will freeze shortly into the
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high video activity period, usually in the middle of a screen draw.
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my setup:
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486dx2/66 VLB
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.99.15h w/ IN2000 & E2100 drivers added
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STB Powergraph S3-805 VLB video
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IN2000 scsi card
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Cabletron E2100 ether card.
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Soundblaster 2.0
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extra serial ports
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libc 4.5.19, Xfree 2.0-S3 version, sound driver 2.4 from stock pl15h
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my thought is that the VLB card is snagging the cpu's attention, and
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for some reason this jams the sound card. I'd love any tips that tell
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me what I can do to try to track this down, or anyone who's running
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a similar setup that has has success/failure with it. One other thought
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is that all these programs were (except the kernel) compiled with
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older libs, and that might cause some weird problem.
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thanks.
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Jerod Tufte
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jet5@po.cwru.edu Case Western Reserve University Computer Engineering
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jet@b62528.student.cwru.edu <<< finger me for PGP2.3a public key
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From: ilg@imp.ch (Philippe Steindl)
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Subject: Re: Linux Darkstar 0.99.15 #2 Sat Jan 1 21:36:13 MET 1994 Alpha ??
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Date: 1 Mar 1994 18:24:51 +0100
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Donald J. Becker (becker@super.org) wrote:
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[Some stuff cut]
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: I'm interested in an Alpha port. As many people out there know my current
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Awesome :)
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: To switch back to DEC for a moment: despite my hopes, I don't expect the
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: AlphaPCI to be low-priced. I think DEC will do the traditional
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Well, it's not only DEC, that will produce AlphaPCI boards. There was an
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article in C't (a german computer magazine) reporting that there are
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several firms working on an alphaPCI board. The lowest ones (for now ISA/PCI
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boards) should not priced more than an average 486/66 board. These boards
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use the new 21066 alpha processor, which has PCIcontroller, Cachecontroller
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*and* (!) a graphics controller within the memory controller all within
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the CPU, which let's firms build cheap boards. As an example, for a
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"graphics board", all you need is ram and a ramdac. This solution is
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rumoured to beat all existing graphic cards... For now, I haven't seen a
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board using this graphics feature.
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I think we have to wait a bit, but I expect some *rather* cheap boards.
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It depends on what you define cheap, but a lowcost alpha will start at
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~4000 US$ here, and we're an expensive country :) I expect alphas in the US
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to be sold for ~2500$. We will see what time brings...
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cu
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Philippe Steindl
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From: jrozes@allegro.cs.tufts.edu (J Rozes)
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Subject: Re: structs ip and icmp not defined in pl15h
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Date: Tue, 1 Mar 1994 17:11:44 GMT
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>>>>> "Alan" == Alan Cox <iiitac@swan.pyr> writes:
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> In article <JROZES.94Feb28165957@allegro.cs.tufts.edu> jrozes@allegro.cs.tufts.edu (J Rozes) writes:
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>> I was just porting the NetBSD timed and interestingly, I found that
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>> <linux/ip.h> and <linux/icmp.h> do not define struct ip and struct icmp,
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>> respectively. I did some grep'ing to see if they were defined elsewhere,
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>> but came up with nothing.
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>>
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>> I'm using the standard pl15, patched to pl15h, all taken from nic.funet.fi.
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>> No net3 code or anything like that; it's a vanilla kernel (+ppp). Sooo...
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>> is this a mistake, a "feature" or am I just (likely) missing something?
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> You are missing the fact Linux is _NOT_ NetBSD basically. If you get the
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> bsd/netinet files from sunacm.swan.ac.uk and install those then compile
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> with -Ibsd you should be ok (these are the compatibility includes).
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> Alternatively have a look at Florian de la Roche's excellent ports of
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> most of the NetBSD tools to see how its done 'properly' as it were.
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> Alan
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I don't think I'm missing anything. These are kinda important structures,
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don't ya' think? How else do you tell your program what the structure of
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an ip or icmp packet is--just let it guess? Additionally, take a look at
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Solaris, which definitely is _NOT_ NetBSD, yet includes these structure
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definitions (not in /usr/ucbinclude, either). I know linux is a far cry from
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BSD, but I just don't consider IP and ICMP to be BSD-isms only.
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So, if Linux doesn't define ip/icmp packets in header, how does one go
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about such programming? Might it have something to do with the C library?
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jonathan
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