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Subject: Linux-Development Digest #523
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From: Digestifier <Linux-Development-Request@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>
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To: Linux-Development@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU
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Reply-To: Linux-Development@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU
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Date: Sun, 6 Mar 94 14:13:08 EST
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Linux-Development Digest #523, Volume #1 Sun, 6 Mar 94 14:13:08 EST
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Contents:
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Re: GOD SPEAKS ON LINUX! (Eternal Darkness)
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Re: Help! GCC errors (Dave Gardner)
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Re: Linux msdos File System Bug? (Alex Ramos)
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Re: Help! GCC errors (Robert Moser)
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Undefined C library functions: 1. light C shared image (Use (raarts@netland.nl)
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Re: Help! GCC errors [STUPID IDIOTS ON COMP.OS.LINUX.* GROUPS] (Zeyd M. Ben-Halim)
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Re: Using COFF-binaries on linux (Alfred Longyear)
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Re: Help: BASM to GAS, Syntax, Opcode? (Manish Gupta)
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Documentation of Kernel Clock Magic (Markus Kuhn)
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0.99p15j: Caps-lock does no capital-letters (System Administrator)
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AMD 486DX problem (with Linux?) (Gregory McKesey)
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Re: TIOCLBIS and TIOCLBIC (Greg McGary)
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Re: Amiga FileSystem, Anyone? (Steven M. Palm)
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Re: Specialix driver (Anthony Lovell)
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From: jake@acca.nmsu.edu (Eternal Darkness)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.misc
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Subject: Re: GOD SPEAKS ON LINUX!
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Date: 6 Mar 1994 10:18:24 GMT
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: >God@Up.There.Above. Just one question, is God using a Unix platform?
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: It must be MS-DOS. Or why can people become ill or why do we have wars ?
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--
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No, even worse... By the way God is calling Linux names, he/she must be using
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something like VMS (Hehehehehehe).
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Sincerely,
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Jake Skinner Garcia,
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Eternal Darkness(tm)
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From: dgardner@netcom.com (Dave Gardner)
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Subject: Re: Help! GCC errors
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Date: Fri, 4 Mar 1994 21:20:15 GMT
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Dean Junk (us292121@bulldog.mmm.com) wrote:
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: Take this as you wish ... piss off! I can't beleive the attitude of some
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: of the people on this newsgroup.
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Dean, you're not alone.
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I started using Linux about a year ago with SLS, before I and many others
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knew just how broken it was. Many of us had lots of problems and asked
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lots of questions, most answered much the same way as you got here.
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Rather than politely either answer the question, or point out where the
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answer might be found, many Linux 'experts' chose to instead wield their
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often questionable wit to insult. And nobody, expert or newbie, likes to
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be insulted; it has nothing to do with the thickness of the skin.
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They drove a lot of people away from Linux, to either BSD or a commercial
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*nix, or back to DOS or OS/2, somewhere else where they can get help by
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asking, rather than getting trashed. This is Not a Good Thing(tm), and if
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it continues (as it will, no doubt, in at least some quarters), it will
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ultimately hurt Linux.
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I hope this doesn't happen because I happen to like Linux a lot, and want
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it to succeed as more than just a hobbyist OS with a small but devoted and
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sometimes overzealous club of acolytes. I'd like to see some heavy-hitting
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commercial AND free/shareware developed for it, and have it become a
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major player in the Unix market. But it's slowly gaining a reputation
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that it's got to shake soon, or it will die out.
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--
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Dave Gardner \ / The views expressed in this message are entirely
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dgardner@netcom.com -*- my own. I speak for no one else, and no one
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S. Pasadena, CA / \ else speaks for me .... I think.
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From: ramos@engr.latech.edu (Alex Ramos)
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Subject: Re: Linux msdos File System Bug?
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Date: 6 Mar 1994 02:22:28 GMT
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Andrew J. Piziali (andy@piziali.lonestar.org), quoted out of context, wrote:
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> If I use the file browser less(1) to examine a file on an MS-DOS file
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> system, I notice several peculiarities.
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> First, the less(1) command "G" (position to end of file) displays the first
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> line of the file on the last line of the screen instead of the last line of the
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> file. For example, "G" on file "tar.log" on an ext2 file system looks like so:
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I think you're having trouble with the CR/LF translation.
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Try piping the file through "perl -lpe {} | less" instead of just "less".
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--
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Alex Ramos <ramos@engr.latech.edu> * This message is copyrighted material!
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Louisiana Tech University BSEE/Sr * All rights reserved. No warranty, etc
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From: araw@iplab7.health.ufl.edu (Robert Moser)
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Subject: Re: Help! GCC errors
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Date: 05 Mar 1994 03:39:30 GMT
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In article <dgardnerCM5sLs.HD6@netcom.com> dgardner@netcom.com (Dave Gardner) writes:
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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.development
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Path: usenet.ufl.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!wupost!csus.edu!netcom.com!dgardner
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From: dgardner@netcom.com (Dave Gardner)
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Organization: miloNET Offline, South Pasadena, CA, USA
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X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1]
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References: <2l2f36$dn2@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> <2l51cc$l3v@dawn.mmm.com>
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Date: Fri, 4 Mar 1994 21:20:15 GMT
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Dean Junk (us292121@bulldog.mmm.com) wrote:
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: Take this as you wish ... piss off! I can't beleive the attitude of some
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: of the people on this newsgroup.
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Dean, you're not alone.
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I started using Linux about a year ago with SLS, before I and many others
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knew just how broken it was. Many of us had lots of problems and asked
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I started out with SLS also... also had problems... Now I'm a slackware user
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lots of questions, most answered much the same way as you got here.
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Rather than politely either answer the question, or point out where the
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answer might be found, many Linux 'experts' chose to instead wield their
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often questionable wit to insult. And nobody, expert or newbie, likes to
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be insulted; it has nothing to do with the thickness of the skin.
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I also have to agree. As a group we need to inculcate a more helpful attitude
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for newbies (on public channels like this one). Of course private maillists
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are quite a different matter (I've been trodden under with my own ignorance
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many times on these). I even recall an individual volunteer to act as a
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filter for the groups, in that he would gently direct the faq and really
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"green" newbies to the right place. But I don't think anyone ever took him
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seriously.
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[munch]
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I hope this doesn't happen because I happen to like Linux a lot, and want
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it to succeed as more than just a hobbyist OS with a small but devoted and
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sometimes overzealous club of acolytes. I'd like to see some heavy-hitting
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commercial AND free/shareware developed for it, and have it become a
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major player in the Unix market.
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You bet!!!! I've got an opportunity to use it as the OS of a medical imaging
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display station to demonstrate to the administration of my workplace. I want to
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see it kick !!!@@@!!! (esp. since "they", in ignorance, think that NT is the
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OS of choice for "highend PC workstations"... bah, humbug, get a life, I mean
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an OS, I mean an OS with some life in it.).
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But it's slowly gaining a reputation
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that it's got to shake soon, or it will die out.
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I haven't noticed a "rep", but I agree with the aforementioned parts of being
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more helpful and otherwise tolerant and keeping you !!!@@!!! mouth shut if
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you've nothing good or helpful to say.
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[munch]
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ARAW, aka Robert
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From: raarts@netland.nl
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Subject: Undefined C library functions: 1. light C shared image (Use
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Date: Sat, 5 Mar 1994 00:18:58 GMT
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On upgrading to libc 4.5.19 I got the following on almost
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every command:
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Undefined C library functions:
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1. light C shared image (Use the real one instead.)
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PLEASE explain to me what this is.
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If this is a FAQ, or you have any pointers PLEASE email me.
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Ron Arts
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raarts@netland.nl
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Crossposted-To: alt.pud,alt.stupidity
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From: zmbenhal@netcom.com (Zeyd M. Ben-Halim)
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Subject: Re: Help! GCC errors [STUPID IDIOTS ON COMP.OS.LINUX.* GROUPS]
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Date: Fri, 4 Mar 1994 21:52:27 GMT
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In article <1994Mar4.161948.26471@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> crfisher@nyx10.cs.du.edu (I am being repressed.) writes:
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>In article <2kvr8o$4iv@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu>,
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>Mitchum DSouza <m.dsouza@mrc-apu.cam.ac.uk> wrote:
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>>Dean Junk:
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>> Do one of the following:
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>>1) Read the library release notes TO THE LETTER - EVERY SINGLE SENTENCE.
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>>2) Read the GCC-FAQ before asking GCC related queries.
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>>Mitch
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> WHAT IS THE POINT IN REPLYING IF YOU DO NOT KNOW THE ANSWER?
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^^^^^^^^^^^
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He DOES know the answer! The answer is in the release notes.
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> Although it may seem that every newsgroup in the c.o.l.*
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> series actually have the word flame in them, they do not. I am so
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> sick of the petty replies and responses I see here all the time.
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> If you can not help someone then do not bother to even reply. You
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> do no one any good when you do. All you do is waste resources
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> and show that you don't even know hot to flame properly.
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Well other are sick and tire of people asking questions without reading
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the docs first. The FIRST line of the release note says "IF YOU MISS ONE
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LINE IN THIS RELEASE THE LIBRARY WILL NOT WORK FOR YOU". How much clearer
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can things get. It questionable s to what wastes more resources: people
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who ask questions that are already answered, or those who flame them for
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not doing their homework before openning their (proverbial) mouths.
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There is such thing as nettiquette. People are supposed to read any available
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docs, and browse through the group before asking questions. The flame wasn't
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as directed at Junk, who by then had figured out the answer, but others who
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are inclined to ask questions that have been answered repeatedly.
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> Bah.
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>
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>--
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>Unless you are born in finland you can't be finnish.
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>
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--
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---
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Zeyd M. Ben-Halim zmbenhal@netcom.com
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10479 1/4 Santa Monica Blvd, LA, CA, 90025 (310) 470-0281
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From: longyear@netcom.com (Alfred Longyear)
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Subject: Re: Using COFF-binaries on linux
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Date: Fri, 4 Mar 1994 23:58:43 GMT
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aurel@dali.uni-paderborn.de (Aurel Balmosan) writes:
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>Hello,
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>I want to run coff-binaries (from sco-unix) on my linux-system but the only answer
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>from linux is segmention fault. I have seen (on tsx-11.mit.edu in the file ls-lR)
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>that there are some ibcs2 and coff library which I could not get from any linux-ftp-
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>server.
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>Where can I get this libraries and tools ?
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To run COFF binaries, you need only the COFF loader. To run iBCS programs, you
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need the iBCS emulator. The iBCS emulator is being developed. If you wish
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the development version of the code, then please join the developer's mail
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list. Instructions for joining the mail list may be obtained by sending
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an email message to "linux-activists-request@niksula.hut.fi" with the
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text of "help".
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The channel for iBCS is called IBCS2.
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Being able to run COFF binaries is probably not going to get you very much
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additional functionality. It is the iBCS compatability that you are truely
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seeking. (I say this because just having the COFF loader is pretty
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usless in itself. It is like having the ELF loader. Only when they are
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taken in concert with the emulator do they become useful; at the present
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time, of course.)
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From: manish@ms.uky.edu (Manish Gupta)
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Subject: Re: Help: BASM to GAS, Syntax, Opcode?
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Date: 4 Mar 1994 23:46:11 -0500
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Thanks to all those who replied to this posting. The answer to my question
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as told by many is
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push Offset AC_START /* BASM Syntax */
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pushl $AC_START /* Corresponding GAS Statement */
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thanks again.
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manish gupta.
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--
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I call them as I see them. If I can't see them, I make them up.
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-- Biff Barf
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From: unrza3@cd4680fs.rrze.uni-erlangen.de (Markus Kuhn)
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Subject: Documentation of Kernel Clock Magic
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Date: Sun, 6 Mar 1994 16:23:37 +0100
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Reply-To: mskuhn@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de
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Just if anyone wondered, what all the magic code around the clock
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support (sched.c) and the _adjtimex() system call does: The new RFC 1589
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documents this time and frequency PLL control code. It allows
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to gradually adjust the time offset as well as the frequency of
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the system clock to a reference clock (e.g. a radio time normal
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or a network time normal as with NTP). This allows to let the
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Linux clock tick with very high precision according to the official
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time.
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Markus
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--
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Markus Kuhn, Computer Science student +0o0; University of Erlangen, Germany
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Internet: mskuhn@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de | X.500 entry available
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From: root@desaster.sunflower.sub.org (System Administrator)
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Subject: 0.99p15j: Caps-lock does no capital-letters
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Date: Thu, 3 Mar 1994 10:23:29 GMT
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I do not know about the other older versions, but with 0.99pj I
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can switch on and off the caps-lock-LED on my keyboard only...
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...it has no influence on the letters, they are always lowercase...
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I might not have noticed earlier since I use it so seldom... Normaly
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the SHIFT-key does the job :-)
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Is this a common problem with 0.99p15j?
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Cheers, Michael Will
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From: mckesey@imaphics.prior.com (Gregory McKesey)
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Subject: AMD 486DX problem (with Linux?)
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Date: 05 Mar 1994 05:42:38 GMT
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I have found an annoying problem with the AMD 486DX chip and
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Linux that is leading me to believe that there may be a compatibility
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problem with this chips math functions. One reported symptom is
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that ghostscript dies during initialization. While trying to track
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down the problem I booted my kernel with the no387 option (using Lilo).
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To my surprise ghostscript worked in this configuration.
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I decided to investigate further, and found a problem with
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single precesion (ie float) multiplys. The following is a sample
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program that illustrates the problem.
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---cut here-----------------------cut here-------------------------cut here---
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main()
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{
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float a=1.3125;
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float b=7.9999;
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double x= 1.3125;
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double y= 7.9999;
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printf ("%f * %f =", a, b);
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a *= b;
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printf ("%f\n", a);
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printf ("%f * %f =", x, y);
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x *= y;
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printf ("%f\n", x);
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if (a != (float)x)
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{
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printf("Test Failed, this must be an AMD 486DX chip!\n");
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}
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else
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{
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printf("Test succeeded!\n");
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}
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}
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---cut here-----------------------cut here-------------------------cut here---
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This is the output that I obtained on my system:
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% ./amdtest
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1.312500 * 7.999900 =10.499990
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1.312500 * 7.999900 =10.499869
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Test Failed, this must be an AMD 486DX chip!
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%
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The correct answer is 10.499869 rounded off. It certainly is
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not 10.499990. The a *= b gave an erroneous result. I thought that I
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may have a defective chip. So I tried running some coprocesser
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diagnostic software obtained on the net. Of course the chip passed
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all the test. FYI I tried CHKCOP ver 2.20 from Intel, 87TEST from
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Microway and MCPDIAG from Advance Computer Graphics.
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I also looked through some old news postings to see if anyone else
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might be having these problems. There were a few posts suggesting
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that some people are having problems with ghostscript. Perhaps all
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of these people had AMDs also.
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Anyways, I was hoping that someone else with an AMD 486DX
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could verify that this is an AMD problem (or whether it is just
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limited to me :( ). If someone also had another OS/Compiler
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combination to ensure that this is not just a AMD486DX/GCC/Linux
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problem.
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For those interested my configuration is:
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AMD 486DX/40
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AMI Enterprise III EISA/VESA MB
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ADAPTEC 1542B controller
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16MB RAM
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Linux 0.99.15 & 0.99.15h
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gcc 2.5.8
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libc 4.5.21
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Any help, advice or solutions would be appreciated
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Greg.
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--
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____________________________________________________________________
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Gregory McKesey (Software Manager) Gallium Software Inc.
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Tel: (613)721-0902 ext (431) 303 Moodie Dr., Suite 4000
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Fax: (613)721-1278 Nepean, Ontario, Canada.
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gmckesey@gallium.com K2H-9R4
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From: gkm@tmn.com (Greg McGary)
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Subject: Re: TIOCLBIS and TIOCLBIC
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Date: 6 Mar 1994 12:30:56 -0500
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Reply-To: gkm@tmn.com
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| #define TIOCLBIS _IOW('t', 127, int) /* Bis local mode bits */
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| #define TIOCLBIC _IOW('t', 126, int) /* Bic local mode bits */
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| This is one of the lines of code that uses TIOCLBIS.
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| ioctl(ch->wr.num, TIOCLBIS, LLITOUT)
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TIOCLBI[CS] are BSD-specific tty modes, as you've no doubt surmised.
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It's been a number of years since I've hacked this stuff, but my
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recollection is that none of these modes are unique to the BSD, i.e.,
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there are equivalent modes in the Sys-V and POSIX (Linux uses the
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POSIX interface) tty drivers. I know that LLITOUT is equivalent to
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turning off OPOST in termios->c_oflag. You'll have to get ahold of
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the man page for tty(7), and possibly stty(1) from a BSD system, find
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the modes used with TIOCLBI[CS], then map them onto the POSIX
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equivalents found in the termio (or is it termios?) man page. Hmm, it
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seems I don't seem to have one here on my system, so I don't know if
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Linux even has a termio man page... If not, the POSIX ioctl interface
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is derived from System-V, so in a pinch you can probably get by with a
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System-V version.
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| used to tell if a file exists. This is the line of code where it is used.
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| acc = access(fname.str->data, F_OK);
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This code works unchanged in Linux, but the file you need to include
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is <unistd.h>.
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--
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Greg McGary (703) 729-6217 gkm@tmn.com
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525K East Market Street, #110, Leesburg, Virginia, 22075
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From: smp@agape.sol.net (Steven M. Palm)
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Subject: Re: Amiga FileSystem, Anyone?
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Date: Sat, 5 Mar 1994 18:32:00 GMT
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David Wright (dmw@prism1.prism1.com) wrote:
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: RJ> I think Amiga disks are physically incompatible with the machines Linux
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: RJ> normally runs on...
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: Amiga FLOPPY drives (not the disks) are different than PC floppy
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: drives, and I suppose that the PC's floppy controller might be incapable of
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: reading floppy disks in Amiga format. But if you have an Amiga *HARD* drive
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: there will be no difference between the drive & controller itself and a
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: standard PC unit.
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Bah Humbug. I installed numerous PC Floppy drives in Amiga computers and
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used them just fine in AmigaDOS. It's not the hardware of the drive, it's
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the hardware of the controller, part of the Amiga's custom chipset. The PC
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controller just cannot access the floppy drive in the same manner that the
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Amiga chipset can.
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Steven M. Palm smp@agape.sol.net
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Milwaukee, WI FidoNet: 1:154/600
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Linux! :) smp@solaria.mil.wi.us
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Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
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From: alovell@kerberos.demon.co.uk (Anthony Lovell)
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Subject: Re: Specialix driver
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Date: Sun, 6 Mar 1994 15:29:31 GMT
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John Paul Morrison (jmorriso@bogomips.ee.ubc.ca) wrote:
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: In article <robertl.762402975@amsg>, Robert Lipe <robertl@arnet.com> wrote:
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: >Re: Specialix drivers.
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: >
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: >IMHO: The reason none of us supports LINUX, BSD-386, 386-BSD, NET/2, is
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: >summarized by the preceding 100 messages. We have proprietary card
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: >executables that have taken mongo R&D $$$ to develop. As proprietary as
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: >these executables is the interface as to how a programmer talks to them.
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: >Given the potential legal problems outlined above (I think there were 75
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: >different interpretations in those 100 messages), most of us are willing
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: >to "just say no" and focus in a market w/o these hassles.
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: If this is about downloading code to the board, I wonder why noone complained
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: about the Digicom/Cardinal softmodem firmware downloader.
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I'd be inclined to agree with you here, the downloaded code on the board is
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as much a part of the card as an eprom image on a modem card .
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--
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anthony
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