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Subject: Linux-Development Digest #548
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From: Digestifier <Linux-Development-Request@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>
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To: Linux-Development@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU
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Reply-To: Linux-Development@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU
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Date: Sun, 13 Mar 94 13:13:09 EST
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Linux-Development Digest #548, Volume #1 Sun, 13 Mar 94 13:13:09 EST
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Contents:
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STRAW POLL: Linux groups automonitoring (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold)
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Re: UDP report card (The Answer is 42.)
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Crossposted-To: news.groups,comp.os.linux.announce,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.admin
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From: rdippold@qualcomm.com (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold)
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Subject: STRAW POLL: Linux groups automonitoring
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Reply-To: voting@qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold Voting Alias)
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Date: Sun, 13 Mar 1994 17:52:38 GMT
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[]
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STRAW POLL (Last Call)
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Linux groups automonitoring
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Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, Thu 17 March 1994.
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This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting
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questions only contact rdippold@qualcomm.com. For questions about the
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proposal contact Ian Jackson <iwj@cam-orl.co.uk>.
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PROPOSAL (Ian)
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I propose to set up an auto-response daemon which will scan the
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newsgroups comp.os.linux.misc, .help, .development and .admin.
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It will send email to the posters of any messages which either
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(a) do not include one of a set or recognised keywords in the
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Keywords line or
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(b) are crossposted between two or more of the groups listed above,
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without a Followup-To header being used to direct followups
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into no more than one of those groups (plus perhaps one or more
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groups outside the comp.os.linux hierarchy).
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The email will be a brief, friendly introduction to the newsgroup in
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question and the hierarchy in general - probably based on Matt Welsh's
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introduction to the comp.os.linux hierarchy and my daily postings in
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comp.os.linux.misc and .help.
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It will say where the FAQs are, why to read them, and where to get
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them.
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It will also say why the message has been sent to the user, and give a
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brief explanation of why Keywords are a good thing and/or why
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crossposting is a bad thing (as appropriate).
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I would determine the set of allowable keywords with assistance from
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the Linux community; I expect the set to change quite frequently, and
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there to be a dozen or two at most.
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The existence of my daemon would be documented in a regular posting to
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the groups (preferably as part of an existing regular posting).
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Note that this proposal will NOT prevent anyone from posting and does
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not involve marking the groups as moderated.
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I hope to be able to provide an email-to-news gateway that will be
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allow users with retarded software to post with Keywords lines.
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RATIONALE (Ian)
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During the recent discussion in news.groups regarding my original
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proposal to moderate col.* using a program, several people suggested
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that perhaps many of the "poor" posts do not come from first-time
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posters, and that therefore it would be sufficient to send email to
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posters whose postings did not have one of a set of approved keywords.
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Doing so would allow experienced users to start using killfiles to
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read only postings they believe they would find interesting, based on
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keywords, since any users posting without such keywords would be
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informed by the daemon that and why their posting might not get the
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attention they would wish for it.
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HOW TO REPLY
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Erase everything above the top "-=-=-=-" line and erase everything
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below the bottom "-=-=-=-" line. Do not erase anything between these
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lines and do not change the group names.
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Give your name on the line that asks for it. For each group, place a
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YES or NO in the brackets next to it to vote for or against
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automonitoring as described above for that particular group. If
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you don't want to vote on a particular group, just leave the space
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blank. Don't worry about spacing of the columns or any quote
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characters (">") that your reply inserts.
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Then mail the ballot to: voting@qualcomm.com
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Just Replying to this message should work, but check the "To:" line.
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-=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
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linux automoderation poll Ballot <luxp-0001> (Don't remove this marker)
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Give your real name here:
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Use YES or NO for each group to indicate support or opposition to
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automonitoring for that group as described in the proposal above.
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[Your Vote] Group
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[ ] comp.os.linux.misc
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[ ] comp.os.linux.help
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[ ] comp.os.linux.admin
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[ ] comp.os.linux.development
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-=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
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Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program. The
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votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledge-
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ment by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again.
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It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly.
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Only one ballot per person and per account will be counted. All
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names, addresses, and votes are public.
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linux automoderation poll - I have votes from the following as of
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March 12. If you're in here you don't need to vote again.
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==============================================================================
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63912i@cfi.waseda.ac.jp Alexander D\"uring
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a.triulzi@ic.ac.uk Arrigo Triulzi
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abragad@DI.UniPi.IT
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adam@netcom.com Adam J. Richter
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adriano@leland.Stanford.EDU azevedo
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ajake@snafu.muncca.fi Jarkko Aitti
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al198723@academ01.mty.itesm.mx Eugenio Sanchez
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Alec.Muffett@UK.Sun.COM Alec Muffett - Sun IS - System Administrator
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alex@amnaas.oss.nl Alex Sorell
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allender@vnet.IBM.COM Mark Allender
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ampe91@control.auc.dk A. Majland
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andras@cs.wits.ac.za Andr\'as Salamon
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andreas@knobel.knirsch.de Andreas Klemm
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Andries.Brouwer@cwi.nl Andries Brouwer
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andy@sysc.pdx.edu Andrew M. Fraser
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aoppelt@scr.siemens.com Achim Oppelt
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arras@forwiss.uni-erlangen.de Michael Arras
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b16ryf@isbe.ch Urs Ryf
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badri@sofia.tn.cornell.edu Badrinarayanan Seshadri
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bap@scr.siemens.com Barak Pearlmutter
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bart@pdn.paradyne.com Warren Bartlett
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bde@halcyon.com Bruce D. Elliott
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bet@std.sbi.com Bennett Todd
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bob@amscons.amscons.com Bob Amstadt
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bobt@nova.net.com Bob Tykulsker
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brandon@uncvx2.oit.unc.edu Brandon Van Every
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bseller@shlneth.demon.co.uk Brad Seller
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buckel@linuxbox.incubus.sub.org Bernhard H. Buckel
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butler@cs.tulane.edu Larry Butler
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byerr@netcom.com Ben Byer
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byron@cc.gatech.edu Byron A. Jeff
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canver@ares.informatik.uni-ulm.de Ercument Canver
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cascio@comet.ENET.dec.com Pete Cascio
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ccourts@netcom.com Charles Courts
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cdent@yod.honors.indiana.edu Chris Dent
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cgschott@psu.edu Carl Schott
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chan1355@cs.cuhk.hk Chan C O Alex
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charding@turing.raynet.com Chuck Harding
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chris@sartre.ads.com Christopher A. Smith
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chris@surfcty.com Chris D. Johnston
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chuck@cmhcsys.com Charles A. Stickelman
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claussen@db.fmi.uni-passau.de Jens Claussen
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cornec@stna7.stna.dgac.fr cornec
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CPRAKT2@acpx1.exp.univie.ac.at Markus Milleder
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crawdad@smerdis.ccqc.uga.edu T. Daniel Crawford
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creedonn@ul.ie Niall Creedon
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csc2cwh@cabell.vcu.edu Christopher Hicks
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cse.unl.edu!wayne%backbone.UUCP Wayne Schlitt
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cwh@gtech.com Charles W. Harwell III
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dal@vanbc.wimsey.com Dale Lutz
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dan@oea.hacktic.nl Dan Naas
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danielsi@cs.utexas.edu Daniel Supernaw-Issen
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dash@ifi.uio.no Dag Asheim
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dave@delta.demon.co.uk David Godfrey
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daves@home.interaccess.com David Schmitt
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davevw@cats.ucsc.edu
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davida@lsl.co.uk David Allen
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DCarter@prior.com Don Carter (carter@gallium.com)
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dchatham@afit.af.mil Dale J. Chatham
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ddb@anubis.network.com David Dyer-Bennet
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ddj@ITC.CS.CMU.EDU Doug DeJulio
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deisher@enws125.eas.asu.edu Michael E. Deisher
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delman@mipgsun.mipg.upenn.edu Delman Lee
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detorres@bach.nosc.mil Andy de Torres
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dgardner@netcom.com Dave Gardner
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dimitri@ee.ubc.ca Dimitrios P. Bouras
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djrfkock@cs.ruu.nl Dennis de Kock
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dmath@cs.wustl.edu David Mathias
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doughera@lafcol.lafayette.edu Andy Dougherty
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drechsau@icicle.winternet.mpls.mn.us Michael Horwath
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dsavage@alpha.wright.edu David Savage
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dvldbg@cs.umu.se Daniel Brahneborg
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edmonds@cs.ubc.ca Brian Edmonds
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eds2@crux4.cit.cornell.edu Eric Scharff
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een6njb@sun.leeds.ac.uk Nick Bailey
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eoliver@ralph.cs.haverford.edu Erik L. Oliver
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ericm@Finnegan.EE.McGill.CA Eric Masson
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ernst@klab.caltech.edu Ernst Niebur
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etlnlms@etlxd20.ericsson.se Neil Miles
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etrigan@cix.compulink.co.uk Alan Fleming - CIX Staff
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ewt@SunSITE.Unc.EDU Erik Troan
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Falk.Eller@Informatik.TU-Chemnitz.DE Falk Eller
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farmer@shire.math.columbia.edu David Farmer
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feinmann@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca W. Richard JHANG
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fled@watarts.uwaterloo.ca Fled Fairlane
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fpdevries@hgl.signaal.nl Frans P. de Vries
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ftlofaro@buddy.CS.UNLV.EDU Frank Lofaro
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fyoung@gssec.bt.co.uk Fraser Young
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gerlek@cse.ogi.edu Michael Gerlek
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gilbert@inviso.com Gilbert Callaghan
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gisli@hamilton.eecs.umich.edu Gisli Ottarsson
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glonnon@hpbs746.boi.hp.com Greg Lonnon
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gmayer@physik.uni-kl.de Gunther Mayer [AG Meyer]
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greve@rs1.thch.uni-bonn.de Thomas Greve
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grewe%ipp880.dnet@zam049.zam.kfa-juelich.de Thomas Grewe
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grif@corsa.ucr.edu Michael Griffith
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GRL6732@RIGEL.TAMU.EDU Gerard R. Lazo
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gvr@halcyon.com George V. Reilly
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gw@hplb.hpl.hp.com Gunther Walther
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hagmanti@cps.msu.edu Tim Hagman
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haijo@cs.rug.nl Winnie-the-Pooh
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hanisch@wicx01.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de Matthias Hanisch
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hdesiato@cs.UMD.EDU Hui-Hui Hu
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herrmanm@informatik.tu-muenchen.de Michael Herrmann
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hjh@imsor.dth.dk Henrik Juul Hansen
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hta@uninett.no Harald Tveit Alvestrand
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hugh@ccss.com Hugh Daschbach
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huisken@prl.philips.nl Jos Huisken
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ig25@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de Thomas Koenig
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iimura@MicroUnity.com Wallace M. Iimura
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ik@superusers.dk Ib Kammersgaard
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ikuz@cs.vu.nl Ihor Kuz
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imp@Boulder.ParcPlace.COM Warner Losh
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isam0732@mailszrz.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE Isam Ishaq
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Ismo.Peltonen@tower.nullnet.fi Ismo Peltonen
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J.S.Peatfield@amtp.cam.ac.uk Jon Peatfield
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jaffer@martigny.ai.mit.edu Aubrey Jaffer
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jak@zombie.oulu.fi Jukka Karlstrom
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jamesp@cory.EECS.Berkeley.EDU Jim Peroulas
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James_Sampson@ccm.fm.intel.com James Douglas Sampson
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jan@gondor.gun.de Jan Niehusmann
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Janne.Himanka@oulu.fi Janne Himanka
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jem@delta.hut.fi Johan Myreen
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jem@SunSITE.Unc.EDU Jonathan Magid
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jensen@peruvian.cs.utah.edu travis jensen
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jepstei@afterlife.ncsc.mil John Epstein
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jes@mbio.med.upenn.edu Joseph E. Smith
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jgeorge@nbi.com Joe George
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jiching@wiliki.eng.hawaii.edu Jimen Ching
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jim.bacon@tpoint.com Jim Bacon
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jimdenni@ccmail.symantec.com Jim Dennis
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jimj@eecs.umich.edu Jim J. Jewett
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jmn@crown.EECS.Berkeley.EDU J. Mark Noworolski
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jmukherj@ringer.cs.utsa.edu J. Mukherjee
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Joe.Klemmer@f370.n109.z1.fidonet.org Joe Klemmer
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john@HARLIE.st.hmc.edu John Stimson
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jonkaare@fm.unit.no Jon-K Hansen
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jorn@etw.gar.no Jorn Lokoy
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jstump@cs.cornell.edu John Stump
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julliard@di.epfl.ch Alexandre Julliard
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juphoff@nrao.edu Jeffrey A. Uphoff
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kai@khms.westfalen.de Kai Henningsen
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kaz@lilia.iijnet.or.jp Kaz Sasayama
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kbass@hns.com Ken Bass
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kenf@clark.net Ken Firestone
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kenny@festival.ed.ac.uk Kenneth MacDonald
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kew@timesink.spk.wa.us Keith E. Walker
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kezia@matisse.eri.uct.ac.za Kezia Crawford-Cousins
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kielmann@server.informatik.uni-siegen.de Thilo Kielmann
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king@cogsci.UCSD.EDU Jonathan King
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kk@cs.tu-berlin.de Kolja Kaehler
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klein@informatik.uni-rostock.de Marko Klein
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klemme@uni-paderborn.de Michael Klemme
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kubla@klopfer.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE \"\"Dominik B. Kubla\"\"
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larsen@oes.orst.edu Scott Larsen
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lb43+@andrew.cmu.edu Lyren Brown
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lbd@crash.cts.com Lynn Dobbs
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lendl@cosy.sbg.ac.at Otmar Lendl
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levin@EBO.CI.NET Levin Magruder
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ljthompson@anl.gov Loren J. Thompson
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lmccormick@cisco.com Luke Mccormick
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ma92hdm@brunel.ac.uk Dominic Mitchell
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maechler@stat.math.ethz.ch Martin Maechler
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martin@osiris.cs.CSUFresno.EDU Martin von Loewis
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martin@paule.han.de Martin Kneissl
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mcx@x.sax.de Andreas Thomasch
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mday@park.uvsc.edu Matt Day
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mdw@cs.cornell.edu Matt Welsh
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michela@sci.kun.nl Michel J. Anders
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miguel@litio.quimica.uniovi.es Miguel Alvarez Blanco
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mjf@clark.net Marc Fraioli
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mmead@csugrad.cs.vt.edu matthew c. mead
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mpf@inri.com Mike Finn
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msingh@mcc.com Munindar P. Singh
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mtk@cegelecproj.co.uk Mark Kuschnir
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mu@pax.eunet.ch Kurt Mueller
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mwikholm@at8.abo.fi MaDsen Wikholm
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mwisdom@ccs.carleton.ca Mark Wisdom
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naddy@mips.ruessel.sub.org Christian Weisgerber
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ncc@gensym.com Nicholas Charles Caruso
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newcombe@aa.csc.peachnet.edu Dan Newcombe
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nigel%gamble.uucp@gate.net Nigel Gamble
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nils@exp-math.uni-essen.de Nils Rennebarth
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nk73@columbia.edu Nissim Karpenstein
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nyama!jose@epas.utoronto.ca Jose Dias
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okir@monad.swb.de Olaf Kirch
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olsen@xn.ll.mit.edu Jim Olsen
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oraq@cs.utexas.edu Eric Hollas
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orestz@eskimo.com Orest Zborowski
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osborn@ae.sps.mot.com Steve Osborn
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ove@groovy.neu.sgi.com Ove Hansen
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owaddell@cs.indiana.edu Oscar Waddell
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paul@edgewood.portland.or.us Paul Bingman
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paul@topsy.demon.co.uk Paul Turvey G1PJJ
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pchen@mtu.edu Pu Chen
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Peng.Yanming@mech.kuleuven.ac.be Yanming PENG
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peter@nelly.hampshire.edu Peter Couvares
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peterb@telerama.lm.com Pete Berger
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petit@lirac.ibp.fr Pascal PETIT
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pierre@shell.portal.com Pierre Uszynski
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pit@lupo.kis.uni-freiburg.de Peter Suetterlin
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pmelo@inescca.inescc.pt Manuel Paulo de Albuquerque Melo
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pryser@iiic.ethz.ch Peter Ryser
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pwildi@SynOptics.COM Patrick D. Wildi
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quinn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU Michael J. Quinn
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R.Wells@bnr.co.uk Reuben Wells
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ralf@ark.btbg.sub.de Ralf W. Stephan
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rayek@iesd.auc.dk Torsten Andersen
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rbhumbla@UCSD.EDU Ravinder Bhumbla
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rcsaeg@alpha1.urc.tue.nl Edwin de Graaf
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remisosk@forklift.mi04.zds.com Tom Remisoski
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rene@renux.frmug.fr.net Rene Cougnenc
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restrugo@netcom.com Ramiro Estrugo
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ric@ariadne.demon.co.uk Richard Gingell
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ritchiej@osshe.edu John Ritchie
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rob@bradco.sbay.org Rob Bradshaw
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rob@pe1chl.ampr.org Rob Janssen
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robert@par.univie.ac.at Robert Mayer - Student
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rockwell@nova.umd.edu Raul Deluth Miller
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Roger.Horner@Software.Mitel.COM Roger Horner
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rolf@mathematik.uni-stuttgart.de Rolf Schreiber
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romano@pimac2.iet.unipi.it Romano Giannetti
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ron@draconia.hacktic.nl Ron Smits
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root@ilfb03.tuwien.ac.at Gerhard Schneider
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roshne@faerun.mi.org Rod Shelton
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rpa@ksr.com
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rv@cs.brown.edu rodrigo vanegas
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rwarnick@cscns.com Ron Warnick
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S.Herbert@sheffield.ac.uk Stuart Herbert
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salle@amertume.ufr-info-p7.ibp.fr Salle Laurent
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scarboro@cattell.psych.upenn.edu Don Scarborough
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schulzke@peanuts.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de Carsten Schulz-Key
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schwarzo@fourier.fmi.uni-passau.de Oliver Schwarz
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scott@eng.amdahl.com Scott Blackledge
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sdh@po.cwru.edu Scott Heavner
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sergeyva@acf2.NYU.EDU Aleksandr Sergeyev
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sfiedler@cs.arizona.edu Stephan Fiedler
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sheldon@iastate.edu
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shyamal@seas.smu.edu Shyamal Prasad
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siebeck@infoac.rmi.de Wolfgang Siebeck
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sinkkone@cc.helsinki.fi Janne Sinkkonen
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skip@els.cray.com Geoff Rothfuss
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smitch@geog.utoronto.ca Scott Mitchell
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sparcom!karl@uu.psi.com Karl J. Smith
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spierce@tigerden.com Stephen Pierce
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spo@LTE.E-TECHNIK.uni-erlangen.de Thomas Sporer
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SRK106@PSUVM.PSU.EDU Senthil Kumar
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srp@rcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com Steve Pietrowicz
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stephan@sunlab.ka.sub.org Stephan Niemz
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Stephen@zmemw16.demon.co.uk Stephen Parkinson
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stern@amath.washington.edu Louis Gabriel "Ted" Stern
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stevek@midnite.roslyn.ny.us Steve Kann
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steveo@beyond.demon.co.uk Steve O'Hara-Smith
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stidolph@leland.Stanford.EDU Wayne Stidolph
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sts@wits.ruhr.de Stefan T Schwingeler
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stuckey@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu Anthony J. Stuckey
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sweh.womble%spuddy.UUCP Stephen William Edward Harris
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syy@tdat.ElSegundoCA.NCR.COM Sang Y. Yum
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s_kemmer@ira.uka.de Frank Kemmer
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tandem@freeze.oslo.dnmi.no Adrian Phillips
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teffta@cs690-3.erie.ge.com Andrew Tefft
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tgm@netcom.com Thomas G. McWilliams
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tim@derwent.co.uk Tim Morley
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tkerwin@morpheus.wustl.edu Timothy Kerwin
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tmichl@cosy.sbg.ac.at Thomas Michlmayr
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toman@axel.cts.com John C. Toman
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toobii@elixir.e.kth.se Torbj\"orn Lindh
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toy@soho.crd.ge.com Raymond Toy
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twpierce@unix.amherst.edu Tim Pierce
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u9219811@sys.uea.ac.uk Nick Holland
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UMV801@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de Manfred Pflueger
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UNE41C@IBM.rhrz.uni-bonn.de Uwe Ritzmann
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urlichs@smurf.noris.de Matthias Urlichs
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vandevod@cs.cuhk.hk David VANDEVOORDE
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vds7789@aw101.iasl.ca.boeing.com Vince Skahan
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ve@nils.rhein.de Volkmar Eich
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veillard@mururoa.imag.fr Daniel Veillard
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vindvad@imf.unit.no Hans Vindvad
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walter@pollux.edv.agrar.tu-muenchen.de Bernhard Walter
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wenger@isbe.ch Hansjuerg Wenger
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wessel@ee.up.ac.za Wessel du Preez
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wil@cix.compulink.co.uk William Stuart-Smith
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wim@hudson.es.ele.tue.nl
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wlieftin@cs.vu.nl Wouter Liefting
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wmagro@baron.ncsa.uiuc.edu W. Magro
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wunderli@inf.ethz.ch Martin Andre Wunderli
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yngmnds!youngber@uunet.UU.NET Jerry Youngberg
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--
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On the fabled hidden continent of Xxxx, somewhere near the rim, there is a
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lost colony of wizards who wear corks around their pointy hats and live on
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nothing but prawns. -- Terry Pratchett, Reaper Man
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From: jwiegand@opus.temple.edu (The Answer is 42.)
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Subject: Re: UDP report card
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Date: 13 Mar 1994 02:03:20 GMT
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In article <CMGMss.KH@aston.ac.uk> evansmp@mb48026.aston.ac.uk (Mark Evans) writes:
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>gans (gans@acf2.nyu.edu) wrote:
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>
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>: We've got a situation at NYU where a number of hostile entities
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>: regularly broadcast 127.0.0.1 over the local net... And some
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>: linux boxes, including mine, respond (which I do not think is
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>: correct behavior).
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>
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>It is a common problem, 127.0.0.2 can be even more dangerous, quite a few
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>machines only have 127.0.0.1 rather than 127.0.0.0 as a route to loopback.
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>Thus such an address can end up going through serveral machines, simply
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>being forwarded to default routes until it gets to a machine which accepts
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>it. In some instances telnet 127.0.0.2 will connect you to a (psudo-random)
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>machine somewhere on the internet.
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Just out of curiousity, I tried this, and boy was I surprised:
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opus:~/News jim$ /usr/etc/ping 127.0.0.2
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ICMP Host Unreachable from gateway Washington2.Dante.net (192.77.156.2)
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for icmp from opus (129.32.25.70) to 127.0.0.2
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I don't even know where this machine is at! Couldn't find it w/nslookup
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on the Suns.
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jim
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howabout that
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