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From: Digestifier <Linux-Development-Request@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu>
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To: Linux-Development@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Reply-To: Linux-Development@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Date: Mon, 5 Sep 94 11:13:05 EDT
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Subject: Linux-Development Digest #123
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Linux-Development Digest #123, Volume #2 Mon, 5 Sep 94 11:13:05 EDT
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Contents:
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Re: polled ports (Bruce Evans)
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Re: Digi Intelligent Boards? (Simon Park)
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Re: polled ports (Glenn Moloney)
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Re: Chars rrrrepeating at 2400 Baud with 16554 UART? (Markus Kuhn)
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Re: Future of linux -- the sequel (Joachim Schrod)
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Re: Unicode & Linux's future (was Re: Acid) (Joachim Schrod)
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WARNING about shadow-mk package (Bauke Jan Douma)
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Re: Future of linux -- the sequel (Gerard Hynes)
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Re: ext2fs corruption in 1.1.47-48 (Marino Ladavac)
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Re: Wanted: ircII that is *complete* (Joe Rosenfeld)
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Re: Linux - my first impressions (Scott Telford)
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Re: time speeds up (Xiaoguang Zhang)
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Re: IP routing not using default net? (Alan Cox)
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NOVELL lan driver for linux ?? (alberto gaiga)
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Re: DLL Tools for Linux (Mitchum DSouza)
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From: bde@kralizec.zeta.org.au (Bruce Evans)
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Subject: Re: polled ports
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Date: 5 Sep 1994 22:17:05 +1000
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In article <GLENN.94Sep5201748@tauon.ph.unimelb.edu.au>,
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Glenn Moloney <glenn@tauon.ph.unimelb.edu.au> wrote:
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>
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>I agree with Rob here, but I have a related question. I don't want to
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>poll ports, but rather write to some ports at 0.5 -> 1.0 millisecond
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>intervals (with moderately reliable timing). The application is a
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>stepper motor being driven directly from the parallel port. Since it
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>is a dedicated PC, I am presently busy waiting (yuck!) with
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>udelay(). However, this PC is intended to control a number of
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>instruments and motors, so I would rather not "go busy" on the stepper
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>motor.
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Take a spare serial port and program it to 8N1 9600 bps no fifo.
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Write a stream of junk to the data port and you will get interrupts
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every 1/0.96 ms (with moderately reliable timing :-). The stream
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of interrupts is easy to stop by stopping writing. Certain other
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interrupt rates are easy to program.
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--
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Bruce Evans bde@kralizec.zeta.org.au
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From: si@wimpol.demon.co.uk (Simon Park)
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Subject: Re: Digi Intelligent Boards?
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Date: Mon, 5 Sep 1994 11:42:18 +0000
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In article <342htv$eql@orion.cc.pcc.edu> jsievert@zeus.cc.pcc.edu (Jerry Sievert) writes:
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>
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>Hi.
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>
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>A bit back, there was talk about an alpha driver for the digiboard/8i
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>(intelligent) boards. What I'm curious about is if there's a driver
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>that will currently (with very little or no hacking) compile into one
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>of the more recent (1.1.45+) kernels.
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>
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>I would appreciate email (not here, I'll never get it) at the
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>following address:
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> jerry@industrial.com
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>
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>Thanks.
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>
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Hi,
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AFAIK there are no Linux drivers available for any of the
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intelligent serial cards. But there projects in hand working on
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drivers for the Digiboard COM/Xi and PC/Xe cards.
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I have a 60% complete driver for the COM/Xi boards which will
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currently handle reading and writing but it's modem control is
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still non-existant. I am not going to release any of it until
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I'm happy its reliable since its hung my machine at least twice
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during its development.
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For the PC/Xe cards I know a guy called David Jeske was working
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on them. Plus I think someone from Digiboard Inc. was planning a
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Linux driver for the PC/Xe (sorry, I can't remember their name).
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If anyone wants to alpha-test my COM/Xi driver when its ready and
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is prepared to risk their hard disks :-) then email me and I'll
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start a list of people to contact when I finally finish it.
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If anyone else is working on a driver for the COM/Xi please get
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in touch and maybe we can collaborate.
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Cheers
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Si
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PS: This message has been emailed to jerry,
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posted to comp.os.linux.development and
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emailed to the SERIAL mail channel.
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--
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o o
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.. si@wimpol.demon.co.uk
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Grin PGP key available
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v--v
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From: glenn@tauon.ph.unimelb.edu.au (Glenn Moloney)
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Subject: Re: polled ports
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Date: 05 Sep 1994 10:17:48 GMT
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Reply-To: glenn@tauon.ph.unimelb.edu.au
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Hello Linuxers,
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In article <CvMKs5.3AK@pe1chl.ampr.org> rob@pe1chl.ampr.org (Rob Janssen) writes:
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> >Are there any known improvements to the polling code? 1200 baud shouldn't be
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> >too fast...
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> It polls 100 times per second, the timer-interrupt rate. So 1200 baud
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> is already slightly too fast for this mode.
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> It could be usable with 16550A chips, but they have other problems when
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> used with a mouse. Therefore they are disabled below 2400.
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>
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> It is better to listen to the rest of the world, and somehow move your
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> IRQs or use a board which can share IRQs.
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I agree with Rob here, but I have a related question. I don't want to
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poll ports, but rather write to some ports at 0.5 -> 1.0 millisecond
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intervals (with moderately reliable timing). The application is a
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stepper motor being driven directly from the parallel port. Since it
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is a dedicated PC, I am presently busy waiting (yuck!) with
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udelay(). However, this PC is intended to control a number of
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instruments and motors, so I would rather not "go busy" on the stepper
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motor.
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I would love to get higher resolution timers. The velocity control is
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not crucial, just the position control. Is this possible with current
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kernels, or with a kernel patch, or is it a hardware limitation? Will
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I just have to invest in a programmable counter/timer card to do this?
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Any thoughts or suggestions welcome,
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cheers,
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glenn.
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Glenn Moloney glenn@tauon.ph.unimelb.edu.au
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School of Physics, Phone: +61 3 344 5081
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University of Melbourne, Fax: +61 3 347 4783
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Parkville, Australia 3052.
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--
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Glenn Moloney glenn@tauon.ph.unimelb.edu.au
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School of Physics, Phone: +61 3 344 5081
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University of Melbourne, Fax: +61 3 347 4783
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Parkville, Australia 3052.
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From: mskuhn@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Markus Kuhn)
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Subject: Re: Chars rrrrepeating at 2400 Baud with 16554 UART?
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Date: Mon, 5 Sep 1994 12:31:52 GMT
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Reply-To: mskuhn@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de
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I_Stewart@equinox.gen.nz (I P Stewart) writes:
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>Lawrence Houston (houston@norton.geog.mcgill.ca) wrote:
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>: Recently installed a STB 4COM Multiport Serial Card and found at 2400
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>: Baud that incoming characters would occasionally be repeated as much as
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>: 4 times! This same problem was NOT observed at higher or lower line
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>: rates and was indpendent of whether the port was using shared interrupts.
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>I've seen this at 1200 using a board with a 16552 (I think that's what it
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>is, anyway, it provides the same as 2 16550A's, as far as I know). The
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>problem went away at higher speeds.
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A few months ago, I installed a machine with a normal COM card using a
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'STARTECH ST16C550CP' UART and one of the first 1.0 kernel
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versions. At 1200 baud, I had exactly the same problem you described.
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Markus
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Markus Kuhn, Computer Science student -- University of Erlangen,
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Internet Mail: <mskuhn@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> - Germany
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WWW Home: <http://wwwcip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de/user/mskuhn>
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From: schrod@iti.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Joachim Schrod)
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Subject: Re: Future of linux -- the sequel
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Date: 5 Sep 1994 10:41:32 GMT
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In article <CvMKy4.3Bz@pe1chl.ampr.org>, rob@pe1chl.ampr.org (Rob Janssen) writes:
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> In <34d4t0$2c22@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> pyeatt@cervesa.cs.colostate.edu (Larry Pyeatt) writes:
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> >In article <348vsp$68c@cesdis1.gsfc.nasa.gov>, becker@cesdis.gsfc.nasa.gov (Donald Becker) writes:
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> >|> > $6400 minumum
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> >|>
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> >|> That's just way more than a reasonable Linux box will cost.
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> >Define "reasonable." I defined reasonable to be "something similar to
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> >SGI Indy. You can't get that sort of performance with cheap parts.
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> Hey come on, he explained how all prices that added up to that $6400
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> were way above current street-price for PC parts.
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Yeah, but he used $33 Ethernet cards (I assume NE2000s) and explained
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that 4MB is enough to run Linux+X and compared these parts to
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respective workstation equipment. IMHO that disqualified him.
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As an example, I'm currently thinking about upgrading my 16MB to 32MB
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since it's not enough for serious work. The AIX system at work is
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already short at memory with 32MB, 64 or 128 MB would be fine. How
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can I put 128 MB in my VLB PC? That's the reality I'm living in, and
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I suppose Larry has a similar environment. I was even astonished that
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he listed only a 400 MB disk, I wouldn't buy anything below 1 GB.
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On the other hand, might be that peripherie prices in the US are
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really as low, I would love to have a `nice' 17" monitor (i.e.,
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one that has ca. 80 kHz, 135 MHz, Trinitron if possible) for $ 850.
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But I suspect that Donald's term `nice' is simply a different one than
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mine.
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Cheers,
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Joachim
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--
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=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Joachim Schrod Email: schrod@iti.informatik.th-darmstadt.de
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Computer Science Department
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Technical University of Darmstadt, Germany
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From: schrod@iti.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Joachim Schrod)
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Subject: Re: Unicode & Linux's future (was Re: Acid)
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Date: 5 Sep 1994 10:48:33 GMT
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In article <1994Sep3.204420.2737@midway.uchicago.edu>, goer@quads.uchicago.edu (Richard L. Goerwitz) writes:
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> Am I babbling nonsense, or am I making sense?
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I think you underestimate the effort to make a truly multilingual
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environment.
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Take Khmer as an example, where syllables form clusters around a
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`determining glyph'. There _are_ non-unidirectional scripts, that are
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not covered by a method to switch directions in any way. How about
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Berber or other similar scripts that have no predefined direction?
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Unicode might be a nice thing, but it does not care for many scripts
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of this world; so it will not be THE solution, either. ('Though it
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would be a Good Thing to have support for it more widespread.)
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Joachim
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--
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=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Joachim Schrod Email: schrod@iti.informatik.th-darmstadt.de
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Computer Science Department
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Technical University of Darmstadt, Germany
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From: bjdouma@xs4all.nl (Bauke Jan Douma)
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Subject: WARNING about shadow-mk package
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Date: 5 Sep 1994 13:56:22 GMT
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If you are about to update you shadow programs with the shadow-mk
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package by Mohan Kokal, think again.
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Here's the snippet from the Makefile in that package where login is
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installed:
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install -m4755 login $(LOGINDIR)/_login
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install -m4711 login.secure $(LOGINDIR)/login
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It appears that login is installed as _login, and another binary,
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login.secure is installed as login.
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This package has no sources for login.secure!
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Login.secure was never in the original shadow-3.n.n packages by John
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F. Haugh, and in this package is nowhere referred to.
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Sagittarius(tty2):/usr/src/shadow-mk> ls -la login*
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-rwx--x--x 1 root staff 27792 Sep 1 15:05 login
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-rw-r--r-- 1 root staff 3351 Jun 28 04:44 login.1
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-rw-r--r-- 1 root staff 14568 Sep 17 1993 login.5
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-rw-r--r-- 1 root staff 3264 Sep 17 1993 login.c
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-rw-r--r-- 1 root staff 5324 Jul 13 09:12 login.defs
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-rw------- 1 root staff 1555 Sep 1 15:04 login.o
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-rws--x--x 1 root staff 1124 Jul 13 10:36 login.secure <- ?
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I would advise anyone that has installed this package to remove it.
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Of those that have already emailed me on this, one person told me in
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his correspondence with the author of this package (Mohan Kokal) that
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author, in his helpfulness, asked for a temporary account on his
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machine and, having been denied that, asked for the password file.
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The emailer also told me he has observed this author to be bragging
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about violating computer security.
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bjdouma@xs4all.nl (Bauke Jan Douma)
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From: ghynes@public.compusult.nf.ca (Gerard Hynes)
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Subject: Re: Future of linux -- the sequel
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Date: Mon, 5 Sep 1994 10:18:13
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In article <CvMI0w.DyD@ucdavis.edu> broadley@hopper.ucdavis.edu (Bill Broadley) writes:
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>From: broadley@hopper.ucdavis.edu (Bill Broadley)
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>Subject: Re: Future of linux -- the sequel
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>Date: Sun, 4 Sep 1994 20:53:19 GMT
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>: If I wanted to do any floating point, I would also want the SGI, since
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>: it puts Pentium to shame. Which brings us back to my main point, which
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>: is that a Linux system with a non-Intel processor would be a "good thing."
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>Hmm this hypothetical SGI indy with the same price/performance as a
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>p-100 with 512k cache with 1.0 GB disk and 32 MB ram for about $5,000.
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[ P-90 vs. SGI Indy remarks deleted .....munch,munch burp!]
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I have to agree with you Bill. The SGI is targeted at low-cost (<$10k)
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3-D graphics users. The Indy is an expensive proposition when you
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compare it to P-90 systems for just general-purpose computing.
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The Linux community has done a remarkable job of supporting just
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about every commodity computer peripheral in existence. This fact
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plus the overall quality of the software appeals to many users,
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wether they are academics, bit twiddlers etc.
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Powerful graphics accelerators are here today from a number of
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companies. Floating point performance (SGI's strong suite) will
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improve on Intels (eventually) and as such Linux users will have
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better FP performance in the future.
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>Not sure if that will be a 601-100, an alpha 200 mhz, a 4600-150, a
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>4400-200, or 604 will be the first, but I'll be waiting.
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125Mhz, 150Mhz, 175Mhz, 190Mhz 21064 APLHAs are here today.
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The 190Mhz ALPHA is the core of the 2100 server. VAX 7000 and
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VAX 10000 have >200Mhz available today.
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275Mhz are due in quantity before the end of the year.
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If you want to see a real "HOT" chip, check out the HOT CHIPS
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papers on the proposed 21164 ALPHA. ~9.3 million elements,
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2 levels of cache on-chip, L1=16k direct-mapped write through,
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L2=96k(!) 3-way set associative. Coming out of the gate (pardon the
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pun) at ~300Mhz. Recent comp.arch articles cover the chip in
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greater depth.
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>--
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>Bill Broadley Broadley@math.ucdavis.edu UCD Math Sys-Admin
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>Linux is great. Bike to live, live to bike. PGP-ok
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From: lan_lada@rcsw52 (Marino Ladavac)
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Subject: Re: ext2fs corruption in 1.1.47-48
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Date: Mon, 5 Sep 1994 13:04:12 GMT
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rob@pe1chl.ampr.org (Rob Janssen) writes:
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:
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[explanation of my symptoms deleted]
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:
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: I think it should not matter how many devices supply terminator power,
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: as long as at least one does. The quality of the cable and the type of
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: termination can make quite some difference.
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One of these days I will rip the OS/2 machine open and move the SCSI into
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Linux box. We'll see ...
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:
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: Do you have parity enabled on the SCSI bus?
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I believe yes, but I am not really certain. However, on occasion even
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two bits were inverted, therefore preserving parity. Might be the cable.
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: Did you do the same 50MB test under OS/2 and DOS? What happened?
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Unfortunately not (for the lack of compiler.) However, some 400 MB of
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stuff is there living fine (albeit much slower than on IDE drives. Any
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reason for that?)
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/Alby
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--
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Proof by Intimidation:
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"I'm bigger, therefore I'm right."
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noone@nowhere.in.particular
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From: cowboy@cowboy.async.csuohio.edu (Joe Rosenfeld)
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Subject: Re: Wanted: ircII that is *complete*
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Date: Mon, 5 Sep 1994 13:14:11 GMT
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Scott Howard (c9219517@sage.newcastle.edu.au) wrote:
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: : Yes, cs.bu.edu:/pub/irc/clients. ircII compiles under Linux with a very
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: : minor change to config.h. Read config.h, because it tells you exactly
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: : what to change.
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Nothing very major, but the site has changed to:
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ftp://ftp-cs.bu.edu:/pub/irc/clients
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Just in case anyone is interested.
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cowboy
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From: st@epcc.ed.ac.uk (Scott Telford)
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Subject: Re: Linux - my first impressions
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Date: Mon, 5 Sep 1994 13:51:34 GMT
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In article <CvGstn.GH8@mail.auburn.edu>,
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lynn@magneto.physics.auburn.edu (Owen Lynn) writes:
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> In article <34447i$ksa@rs18.hrz.th-darmstadt.de>,
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> olav woelfelschneider <wosch@rbg.informatik.th-darmstadt.de> wrote:
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> >Owen Lynn (lynn@magneto.physics.auburn.edu) wrote:
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> >: Hi folks!
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> >
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> >[..lotsa deleted..]
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> >If you like to edit a config file, just edit /usr/src/linux/config.in
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> >It should be clear for you what to edit there.
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> >Then make config and just press return until you are throug.
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> >Maybe you could also change the makefile so that you have no need to
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> >press return that much. Contribute your changes (: !
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>
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> Ok. Who do I send the diffs to when I'm done? Is there a way to specify
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> the name of the kernel, like in 4.1.x? The closest thing I could find
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> was a file called version.h.
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My Pseudo-BSD-Style Kernel Config package (ftp.epcc.ed.ac.uk:/pub/
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personal/st/linux/pBs-config-2.0.tar.gz) will let you eschew all this
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config.in nonsense in favour of a BSD-like kernel config file,
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configuration names and all. Unfortunately the current release only
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supports Linux v1.0.x or v1.1.[25-27] - I'd update the diffs to the
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current release if I thought they wouldn't be broken again by a new
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kernel release a day later....
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Scott Telford, Edinburgh Parallel Computing Centre, <s.telford@ed.ac.uk>
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University of Edinburgh, Mayfield Rd, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK. (+44 31 650 5978)
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-- "We do want to tour again, we will tour again" - Kate Bush, Munich, 1980. --
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From: zhang@gmsds.ms.ornl.gov (Xiaoguang Zhang)
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Subject: Re: time speeds up
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Date: 5 Sep 1994 14:27:13 GMT
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David Monro (davidm@syd.dms.CSIRO.AU) wrote:
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: Yeah, I get this too. I always assumed it was a hardware problem, since
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: I don't run the machine under DOS, but recently my mother has been using
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: the machine under DOS and it doesn't seem to happen there. It was about
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: 45mins fast after about 5 hours use the other night too - gave me a real
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: fright. The problem seems to have got worse a few kernels ago.
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: I manually fix the clock (and yes, I do write it back to the CMOS clock
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: as well) whenever I boot the machine.
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Have you been playing with your pc speaker?
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I've seen this problem a long time ago under DOS, when I was running
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a video game (forget which one). The clock advanced about 10 hours after
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about half an hour of play. Talking about time flies by. :-)
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Back then my 386sx did not have a real time clock and the CMOS clock was
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driven by the timer chip. The video game used the timer chip to play sound,
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therefore messed up the clock.
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From: iialan@iifeak.swan.ac.uk (Alan Cox)
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Subject: Re: IP routing not using default net?
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Date: Mon, 5 Sep 1994 12:43:03 GMT
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In article <nickbCvIGEp.Hxz@netcom.com> nickb@netcom.com (Nicholas L. Barbieri) writes:
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>We are seeing a problem with the IP routing in the 1.1.45+ kernels.
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>The default route is not being used. Putting a literal route in
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>the table works fine, but we have too many networks to document.
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>Anybody tried this on a big network?
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As is always the case 'Its working for everyone else'. Run some tcpdump
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traces make sure its not the gateway thats a problem. Email me your route
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table and /proc/net/route.
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Alan
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// Alan Cox // iialan@www.linux.org.uk // GW4PTS@GB7SWN.#45.GBR.EU //
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From: gaiga@c700-1.sm.dsi.unimi.it (alberto gaiga)
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Subject: NOVELL lan driver for linux ??
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Date: 5 Sep 1994 16:34:41 +0200
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Dear Linuxers,
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I have a PC on a NOVELL lan, I would like to use it
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with linux...
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You know... dos is not Uni*!
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Well, the question is this:
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The novell is attached to Internet,
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is there a way to let my pc
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share this link? Can my Pc
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run linux and use novell to reach
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the outer world?
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The only way that I can figure is to use another
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PC as MSDOS-SLIP server and attach my machine to it.
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Any help will be appreciated very much.
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PLEASE ANSWER WITH MAIL!!!
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Best regards,Alberto.
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From: Mitchum.DSouza@mrc-apu.cam.ac.uk (Mitchum DSouza)
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Subject: Re: DLL Tools for Linux
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Date: 5 Sep 1994 15:02:25 GMT
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In article <3429ii$58l@sndsu1.sinet.slb.com>, allen@ariel.com (Marc L. Allen)
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writes:
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|> I'm working with the DLL Tools for Linux, but I'd like to find the latest
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|> version. Could someone please let me know?
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Read the GCC-FAQ on sunsite.unc.edu:/pub/Linux/docs/faqs. The version
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number of the tools may be different, but the site the latest version is
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available from is still correct (at least was the last time I looked).
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|> Also, is there a way for me to debug into a shared library that these tools
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|> generate? I tried gdb, but all I get are my non-library source files.
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I dont't understand your concept of "debug a shared library". Do you mean
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debug the entry point fixups before the shared libraries, or the actual
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functions therein. If the latter, then you should just compile with -g
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which will give you static versions of the functions which you can debug
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with ease.
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|> Also, where can I find information on alternative shared library
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|> implementations? I know that gcc supports a PIC option that supposedly
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|> allows shared libraries to be created. Where can I get more info on that?
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At the moment there is little/no documentation on alternatives (the alternative
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shared libraries being ELF/PIC and a.out/PIC current being finished/cleaned
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up for public consumption). Although GCC supports -fpic, linux doesnt use it
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(yet). FreeBSAD does however.
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Mitch
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