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From: Digestifier <Linux-Development-Request@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu>
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To: Linux-Development@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Reply-To: Linux-Development@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Date: Tue, 6 Sep 94 10:13:10 EDT
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Subject: Linux-Development Digest #129
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Linux-Development Digest #129, Volume #2 Tue, 6 Sep 94 10:13:10 EDT
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Contents:
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Re: hdparm.c and/or new fast-IDE won't work now! (R. Andrew Reynolds)
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Serial port problems (Joerg Wedeck)
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Re: WARNING about shadow-mk package (Gary Paul Gortmaker)
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Re: MPEG Hardware Decoder (Kai Dittmann)
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TL5212 driver (Davyd Luque)
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Re: WARNING about shadow-mk package (Patrick Reijnen)
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Re: Installation, Support, Testing [Was: Future of Linux] (Alan Cox)
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Re: BOOTPD / newer kernels, BUG? (Alan Cox)
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Re: cat /proc/interrupts doesn't show printer ints. (Chris Metcalf)
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Re: [STATUS] Linus Floppy Driver Development (Harald T. Alvestrand)
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Re: Anyone working on ISDN card drivers ?? (Olaf Titz)
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Re: more than 2 COM ports at the same time (Alan Cox)
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Re: HORRIBLE SWAP THRASHING BUG (memory prob?) (Russell Leighton)
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Linux T-Shirts. Get your order in NOW! :) (Jean-Paul Chia)
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Re: Unicode & Linux's future (was Re: Acid) (Alan Cox)
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----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From: reynolds@ug.cs.dal.ca (R. Andrew Reynolds)
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Subject: Re: hdparm.c and/or new fast-IDE won't work now!
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Date: Tue, 6 Sep 1994 09:55:22 GMT
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Mark Lord (mlord@bnr.ca) wrote:
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: In article <3411u6$fso@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> jr7877@eehpx12 writes:
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: >Hi, I am running version 1.1.49 of the kernel. When I used to start up
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: >with the older IDE stuff (<1.48) and the older version of hdparm, I could
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: >get mult-count to 16 and umask to 1. But now I get an error at startup:
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: >
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: >setting mult-count to 16 - HDIO_SETMULTCOUNT failed, errno=22
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: >setting unmask to 1 - HDIO_SETUNMASKINTR failed, errno=22
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: > multcount = 0
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: > unmask = 0
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: >
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: >What is errno 22?
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: "Invalid Argument" (from /usr/include/linux/errno.h
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: Since you didn't show us the command line you were using,
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: it's kinda difficult to show you what you're doing wrong.
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: My guess is that your command line looks something like:
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: hdparm -m16 -u1 /dev/hda1
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: As of newer kernels, better error checking is now done.
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: In particular, the "-m" and "-u" settings can only ever apply
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: to the entire physical device, so minor devices are not allowed
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: on the command line when changing those parameters.
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: Try this instead:
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: hdparm -m16 -u1 /dev/hda
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: -ml
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: --
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: mlord@bnr.ca Mark Lord BNR Ottawa,Canada 613-763-7482
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I'm having a problem with hdparm as well. I invoke hdparm -m16 /dev/hda,
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and I get this message:
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/dev/hda:
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setting mult-count to 16
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multcount = 16
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But when I read /var/adm/messages, I came across this:
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Sep 6 06:53:05 reynolds kernel: hda: enabled 16-sector multiple mode
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Sep 6 06:53:05 reynolds kernel: hda: multwrite_intr: status = 0xd0
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Sep 6 06:53:05 reynolds last message repeated 7 times
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Sep 6 06:53:05 reynolds kernel: hda: reset multiple mode to 0
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I quite sure that my system can do 16-sector multiple mode, because I've had
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great success with similar shareware programs for Messy-DOS. The hard drive
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subsystem is a Conner CP3044 IDE drive, hooked up to a generic 16 bit
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Super I/O card. Any suggestions would be appreciated. (-:
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--
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Andrew Reynolds | Reynolds@ug.cs.dal.ca 01rynlds@ac.dal.ca | "400=400"
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Dalhousie CS | "I'm just a guppy in a sea of sharks." | -L. Rolston, 1992
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From: jw@peanuts.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de (Joerg Wedeck)
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Subject: Serial port problems
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Date: 6 Sep 1994 08:26:45 GMT
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Hi,
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as the subject says i am having problems with the serial port with
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ALL linux kernels, when switching to speeds higher than 19200 baud.
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from 38400 baud on onward i have to experience data losses.
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My system with an i486 DX-2/66 has a pci motherboard with saturn
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chipset. the controller is a so called SMC 37C663 Super I/O Controller,
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which incorporates control for serial and parallel ports, floppy and
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ide controller.
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the manual says there are 2 NS16C552 compatible UARTs which support
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FIFO. Are these UARTs incompatible to the serial driver provided by
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linux ?
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it appears to me that hardware flow control is failing (it definitely
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works when trying under dos).
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hoping for an answer,
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Joerg
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--
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==================================+======================================
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Joerg Wedeck | E-Mail: jw@peanuts.informatik\
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Universitaet Tuebingen | .uni-tuebingen.de
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Lehrstuhl fuer Techn. Informatik |
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Sand 13 |
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72076 Tuebingen |
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Germany |
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==================================+======================================
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Deswegen bin ich ja Optio, und Du nur Legionaer :-)
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=========================================================================
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From: gpg109@huxley.anu.edu.au (Gary Paul Gortmaker)
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Subject: Re: WARNING about shadow-mk package
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Date: 6 Sep 1994 20:40:05 +1000
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doolitt@recycle.cebaf.gov (Larry Doolittle) writes:
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>If Mohan is the cracker you suggest, what he would hate the most
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>would be publishing the login.secure program.
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>If Mohan is innocent, the fastest way to clear his neame would be
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>to publish the login.secure program.
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>Either way, I suggest you uuencode login.secure (if it's not an
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>ASCII shell script :-) and post it to these newsgroups. A lot
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>of people here are competent with unassemblers.
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...killing a fly with a cannon -- what about strace? <grin>
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Paul.
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Date: 05 Sep 1994 16:51:00 +0200
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From: k.dittmann@wizzard.ping.de (Kai Dittmann)
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Subject: Re: MPEG Hardware Decoder
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>
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> Hello:
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>
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> Does anyone know of an MPEG Hardware decoder that has been ported
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> to Linux? For example, has the Reel Magic card been ported to Linux?
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>
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> wsuhanic@acs.ryerson.ca
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?????
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Well, we've atomised our ReelMagic Card, and linked into the Kernel...
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The only Problem is too, i can't plug my Monitor to the Kernel :)
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---Kai
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From: davyd@si.upc.es (Davyd Luque)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.misc
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Subject: TL5212 driver
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Date: 5 Sep 1994 16:05:52 GMT
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Reply-To: davyd@si.upc.es
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Hi All!
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I'm trying to use a 3200 bpi tape for reading a backup from
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a Nixdorf mainframe , and I've got a TL5212 Overland Data tape, controlled
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by a Peltec controller board. I've got DOS drivers, but I have nothing for
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UNIX. Does anybody know where to find drivers for SCO or LINUX?
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Thanks in advance!!
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---
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.oooO _ _ Oooo. e-mail: davyd@si.upc.es Fax:343-440-0899
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( ) / ) ( \ ( ) davyd@diable.upc.es Data:343-440-0899
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\ ( / ( ) \ ) / http://www.upc.es/~davyd
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----\_)( ) ( )(_/---|)/\/`/(|-
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.oooO-Oooo. Todo lo que me gusta es inmoral
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ilegal o engorda.
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.misc
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From: patrickr@cs.kun.nl (Patrick Reijnen)
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Subject: Re: WARNING about shadow-mk package
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Date: Tue, 6 Sep 1994 11:29:27 GMT
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In <im14u2c.778835074@cegt201> im14u2c@cegt201.bradley.edu (Joe Zbiciak) writes:
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>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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>This post is in regards to the login.secure program included in
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>the shadow-mk package authored by Mohan Kokal. I, Joseph R.M. Zbiciak,
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>am the sole author of this program, and would like to dispell any
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>rumors labeling it as the tool of a "cracker."
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>Included in this post is the source code for my /bin/login replacement.
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>The binary included in the shadow-mk package distributed by Mohan Kokal
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>was apparently compiled under GCC 2.4.5, using libc 4.4.4. I base this
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>statement on the fact that the binary was indeed compiled by me on my
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>personal Linux box, "asylum," prior to June 9th. On June 9th, I upgraded
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>to GCC 2.5.8, and libc 4.5.26.
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>Inspection of the login.secure binary will reveal that it was indeed
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>linked with libc 4.4.4.
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>Therefore, I seek corroboration of the following, since I cannot
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>do this myself (my system has no room to dl libc 4.4.4 and gcc 2.4.5 to
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>try this):
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>The login.secure binary was most probably compiled as follows:
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>gcc -o login.secure -s -N -O6 -fomit-frame-pointer -m386 login1.c
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>(as I said, under GCC 2.4.5, and libc 4.4.4)
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>Using GCC 2.5.8 and libc 4.5.26 yeilds an executable of 1328 bytes
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>with these options.
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>Let me remind you that the /bin/login on my system has been and continues
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>to be the login.secure binary that was included in shadow-mk. (Size:
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>1124 bytes. CRC: a4abbb26)
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>I have PGP-signed this post to ensure its authenticity. My public key
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>is available via finger. Please finger im14u2c@cegt201.bradley.edu.
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>Pipe the output to a file and run pgp -ka on the file to add the key
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>to your keyring. This key is primarily for private messages. I do not
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>yet have a well established key for business use. One will be forthcoming.
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>Please: I urge *ANYONE* that has any questions, problems, etc. relating
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>this program to CONTACT ME IMMEDIATELY. My email address is, once again,
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>im14u2c@cegt201.bradley.edu. Should that address fail, there's also
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>im14u2c@camelot.bradley.edu. Should both of those addresses fail for one
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>reason or another, email Mohan Kokal at magnus@cegt201.bradley.edu, with
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>instructions to forward the mail to me.
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>And again: I do apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused
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>anyone. The shadow-mk package is not insecure. The login.secure is
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>indeed what it was titled. I do hope that this post lays to rest any
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>suspicion about the shadow-mk package, its contents, and its author.
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>I also apologize to Mohan Kokal for not realizing that such a small piece
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>of code would cause such a large number of people to label him as a
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>cheap-and-dirty cracker.
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Hmm, some people just over react a bit every now and then. Don't bother..
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>Here's the source code:
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>==FILE: login1.c==
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>/* Preprocessor for /bin/login */
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>/* Corrects /bin/login security hole regarding -f */
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>/* Also disables -h for non-root users. */
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>/* (c) 1994, Joseph R. M. Zbiciak */
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>#include <strings.h>
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>#include <unistd.h>
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>#include <stdio.h>
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>main (int argc, char * argv[], char * envp[])
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>{
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> char **av=argv;
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> int ac=argc;
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> if (argc>1) {
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> while(--ac>0) {
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> if (**(++av)=='-' && strlen(*av)>1) {
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> *((*av)+2)=0;
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> if (*((*av)+1)=='h' && getuid()>100) {
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> fprintf(stderr,"You cannot specify a new host.\n");
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> exit (1);
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> }
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> }
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> }
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> }
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> execve("/bin/_login",argv,envp);
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> return 0;
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>}
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>==END OF FILE==
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>- --Joseph R.M. Zbiciak
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> Systems Administrator & Programmer
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> Texas Networking Systems, Inc.
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>DISCLAIMER: Neither this post, nor any other post made by me, reflects
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> the opinions of my various employers, unless EXPLICITLY
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> stated. All opinions stated herein are mine unless otherwise
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> noted.
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> := Joe Zbiciak == im14u2c@ =:
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> :- - cegt201.bradley.edu - -:
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> If it works, Don't fix it. : - camelot.bradley.edu - :
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> :-Finger for PGP Public Key-:
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> :===========================:
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>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
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>Version: 2.3a
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>iQCVAgUBLmwUH/1glWhKqKRRAQHCAgP6AqTd3G9kzRm12GqiE29aL1VHjkYxb/hU
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>FW4F0+TEIM7RbUcbfFPilwtnb2n08btgcLW+92YZRGf4FmzteVLEMhecz/+wB9Wd
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>/Dr8rH5rUrJw2Lclx7ZmiLDLfBVHLahcRNQ/oH/itLg9UJXLzLKq8igEniIpyxgW
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>LevHNAnbWgM=
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>=VIIl
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>-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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Patrick Reijnen
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--
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************************* Patrick Reijnen *************************
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* Department of Computer Science, Catholic University of Nijmegen *
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* Email: patrickr@{sci,cs}.kun.nl *
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* WWW: http://{atlas,zeus}.cs.kun.nl:4080/homepage.html *
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From: iialan@iifeak.swan.ac.uk (Alan Cox)
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Subject: Re: Installation, Support, Testing [Was: Future of Linux]
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Date: Tue, 6 Sep 1994 11:18:38 GMT
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In article <CONNOLLY.94Sep2111740@austin2.hal.com> connolly@hal.com (Dan Connolly) writes:
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> Is there a regression suite that the Linux developers will
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> use to qualify the 1.2 release? How do we know that new
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> developments haven't re-introduced old bugs? Or do we believe
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> it's more cost-effective to just release it and fix the
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> remaining problems in 1.2.x patch releases? (a distinct
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> possibility)
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At least for the networking there are enough 'live and dangerous' systems
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that most bugs are either obscure and few people see them or they turn up
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quickly. I do some regression testing, but my primary test mode is that
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www.linux.org.uk is normally running the latest and greatest netcode and
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taking a battering. I'd like to set up a major IRC hub under Linux at some
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point to really give it some 24hr/day nastiness.
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Naturally anyone who wants to write and provide a complete test suite for
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the Linux tcp/ip is more than welcome 8)
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Alan
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--
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..-----------,,----------------------------,,----------------------------,,
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// Alan Cox // iialan@www.linux.org.uk // GW4PTS@GB7SWN.#45.GBR.EU //
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``----------'`----------------------------'`----------------------------''
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------------------------------
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From: iialan@iifeak.swan.ac.uk (Alan Cox)
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Subject: Re: BOOTPD / newer kernels, BUG?
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Date: Tue, 6 Sep 1994 11:25:40 GMT
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In article <3479l4$lto@owl.nstn.ns.ca> jmaclean@localhost (James MacLean) writes:
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>I too am seeing this. With an older bootpd (from Slackware?), I could get
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>a client to initialize if, after the bootp request came in, I manually
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>updated the arp to reflect the clients hardware address. Otherwise
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Get the up to date bootpd from sunacm.swan.ac.uk in the
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/pub/Linux/Networking/PROGRAMS/Updates directory. The old one had a bug that
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Linux now spots and dislikes.
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Alan
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--
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..-----------,,----------------------------,,----------------------------,,
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// Alan Cox // iialan@www.linux.org.uk // GW4PTS@GB7SWN.#45.GBR.EU //
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``----------'`----------------------------'`----------------------------''
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------------------------------
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From: metcalf@CATFISH.LCS.MIT.EDU (Chris Metcalf)
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Subject: Re: cat /proc/interrupts doesn't show printer ints.
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Date: 6 Sep 1994 12:17:03 GMT
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In article <199409060657.AA00409@unicorn.univ-orleans.fr>,
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<andrei@labomath.univ-orleans.fr> wrote:
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> The Subject says it all. I am *almost* sure my printer uses INT7, as I set it
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>by tunelp, and it works, and if I set it to another value, it doesn't.
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The printer interrupt is only grabbed when the device is open. Try
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something like
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sleep 10 > /dev/lp1 &
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cat /proc/interrupts
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(Or perhaps "cat /proc/interrupts < /dev/lp1".)
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--
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Chris Metcalf, MIT Laboratory for Computer Science
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metcalf@cag.lcs.mit.edu // +1 (617) 253-7766
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From: hta@uninett.no (Harald T. Alvestrand)
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Subject: Re: [STATUS] Linus Floppy Driver Development
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Date: 6 Sep 1994 12:18:47 GMT
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Another problem with the floppy driver:
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It complains (probably the background autoprobe) when, as in my case,
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there *is* no floppy in the machine.
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And when one turns up after initialization, it can't find it.
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I have a removable PCMCIA floppy, and am trying to write a card services
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module for it, so that it works - but time and the size of the floppy
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driver are incompatible quantities.....
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--
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Harald Tveit Alvestrand
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Harald.T.Alvestrand@uninett.no
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G=Harald;I=T;S=Alvestrand;O=uninett;P=uninett;C=no
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+47 73 59 70 94
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My son's name is Torbj<62>rn. The letter between "j" and "r" is o with a slash.
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From: uknf@rzstud1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (Olaf Titz)
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Subject: Re: Anyone working on ISDN card drivers ??
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Date: 6 Sep 1994 12:30:32 GMT
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In article <19940901.145536.270665.NETNEWS@esoc>, <nhead@esoc.bitnet> wrote:
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> If anyone is working on or knows of ISDN drivers for Linux systems please would you
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> let me know ?? I'm considering moving into the digital world and I need some
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There is an ISDN driver that is unfortunately based on a heavily
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patched kernel (but works well). It currently supports only the Teles
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"dumb" ISDN card (the cheapest :-) and the German ISDN standard.
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ftp://ftp.uni-stuttgart.de/pub/unix/linux/isdn
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Olaf
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--
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___ olaf@bigred.ka.sub.org - uknf@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de
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__ o <a href="http://rzstud1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uknf/">click</a>
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__/<_ also: s_titz@ira.uka.de - uknf@dkauni2.bitnet - praetorius@irc
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_)>(_)_________ "now i find that most of the time love's not enough in itself"
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From: iialan@iifeak.swan.ac.uk (Alan Cox)
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Subject: Re: more than 2 COM ports at the same time
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Date: Tue, 6 Sep 1994 12:27:30 GMT
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In article <34ange$58l@nermal.cs.uoguelph.ca> hpulley@uoguelph.ca (Harry C Pulley) writes:
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>Sorry to follow up my own post. I already have 2 parallel ports on 5 and 7 and
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>a sound card on IRQ7. Unfortunately, I don't think my multi-I/O card can
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>change the IRQ for COM4 to IRQ2. Thus, changing IRQs is not an option.
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Got a hacksaw and a broken 16bit PC card. Get the PC edge connector list
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from a diagram, find out where the IRQ is fed out of your 8 bit card -
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normally its one side of a run of jumpers, hook a wire into a bit of 16bit
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card stuck in the 16bit part of the slot and go.
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Alan
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--
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// Alan Cox // iialan@www.linux.org.uk // GW4PTS@GB7SWN.#45.GBR.EU //
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From: rrl@access3.digex.net (Russell Leighton)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin
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Subject: Re: HORRIBLE SWAP THRASHING BUG (memory prob?)
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Date: 6 Sep 1994 08:49:20 -0400
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Thanks to all that have responded to my message. A number
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of people have run "thrash.c" with no problems, all of these
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are running 1.1.49. Perhaps that is the answer. I will upgrade
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(from 1.1.48) and see. More later.
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Russ
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--
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Russell Leighton
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Taylor Computing
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russ@taylor.digex.net taylor@world.std.com
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http://taylor.digex.net http://www.digex.net/~rrl/Welcome.html
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From: jean-paul@drasnia.it.com.au (Jean-Paul Chia)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.misc
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Subject: Linux T-Shirts. Get your order in NOW! :)
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Date: 6 Sep 1994 21:07:35 +0800
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Hello..
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I've decided to add the "Linux Inside" and the "LINUX.. The choice of a GNU
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mail you when the T-Shirts are printed, and then get the details, before
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I send them.
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"Linux! Not UNIX!" T-Shirts are either, Black on White, Navy Blue on White,
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or White on Black, Long or Short Sleeved T-Shirts. "Linux! Not UNIX!" is
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"Linux Inside" T-Shirts have the "Linux Inside" Logo, by Rick Lyons, printed
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--
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||
Jean-Paul Chia TheWiz @ IRC
|
||
Drasnian Technologies, Perth, Western Australia
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PH +61-9-447-6261 FAX +61-9-447-4098
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jean-paul@drasnia.it.com.au, jpchia@iinet.com.au
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||
|
||
From: iialan@iifeak.swan.ac.uk (Alan Cox)
|
||
Subject: Re: Unicode & Linux's future (was Re: Acid)
|
||
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 1994 13:38:19 GMT
|
||
|
||
In article <1994Sep3.204420.2737@midway.uchicago.edu> goer@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
|
||
>SECONDLY, let's consider what it means to "support" multiple languages. On
|
||
>the lowest level, it means simply that the operating system and its core
|
||
>drivers permit the use of character representations that may be wider than
|
||
>8 bits. After this there are several more issues to consider. The first
|
||
|
||
In the case of the Linux kernel this isn't too drastic. Firstly there is almost
|
||
no core operating system assumption about strings present. The single glaring
|
||
one is the '/' symbol and ascii NUL. An encoding that keeps ascii NUL
|
||
special is a good idea from C points of view. The / would need the kernel
|
||
to know the basic primitive rules to spot / as opposed to a / as part of
|
||
a 16bit symbol. Keeping this straight when doing NFS with a non multi
|
||
lingual system will be fascinating 8).
|
||
|
||
>is input methods: Do the keyboard drivers work with the operating system
|
||
>in such a way that one can, on the fly, change one's keymap? Does it sup-
|
||
Yes.
|
||
>port contextual code changes (e.g. Arabic letters will differ depending on
|
||
>their position relative to other letters)? Finally, do the display drivers
|
||
>and GUIs support multiple wordwrap directions? And are their conventions
|
||
|
||
X windows does. Its fair to say its not exactly used a lot but X can do it.
|
||
|
||
>for storing messages, text, etc. as separate "resources" so that one can
|
||
>switch from one set to another for localization purposes?
|
||
|
||
Yes. There are standard tools and library functions for this already in the
|
||
current kernels. Again they 'think' 8 bit bytes still but the basics are
|
||
there to be extended on including things like foreign dates, foreign
|
||
collation orders (sorting) etc. Stuff like the C library is already
|
||
internationalised, and having seen how irritating a German release is to
|
||
English people I'm now trying to internationalise the network tools. The
|
||
current stuff isn't really sufficient as far as I can see for 16bit unicode
|
||
although its close to it and since I'm quite new to the nlcat functions
|
||
I may have missed something.
|
||
|
||
>The idea of switching code pages (DOS/OS2-ish) or doing setlocale calls,
|
||
>as one finds with ANSI C is antithetical to certain aspects of the Uni-
|
||
>code/ISO 10646 design philosophy, in the sense that this philosophy en-
|
||
>compasses all national scripts, rather than forces us to toggle between
|
||
>incompatible standards. Some toggling will always be needed, of course.
|
||
>But the toggling, I'd think, would be between pages in the Unicode and
|
||
>ISO 10646 space.
|
||
|
||
setlocale is needed because some issues are not resolved by Unicode -
|
||
notably things like dates and collation orders. For some languages other
|
||
areas like ascii -> integer conversions change rules too. Those will really
|
||
be much more complex.
|
||
|
||
>So things are improving. What can we do here under Linux? I really can't
|
||
>say. I just don't think that the old idea of multiple conflicting schemes
|
||
>represents a workable form of internationalization. Nor does hacking this
|
||
>or that software to do this or that language.
|
||
|
||
I shall take a good look at the encoding schemes one day but I suspect
|
||
unicode file names are not a serious issue. Someone has apparently worked
|
||
on the console driver. Linux International are working on
|
||
internationalisation using the Unix nlcat stuff - a step in the right
|
||
direction but probably not all the way.
|
||
|
||
>Am I babbling nonsense, or am I making sense?
|
||
|
||
You are raising issues that most people don't care about or need, but which
|
||
I suspect you are right in believing will matter some day.
|
||
|
||
Alan
|
||
--
|
||
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||
// Alan Cox // iialan@www.linux.org.uk // GW4PTS@GB7SWN.#45.GBR.EU //
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