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From: Digestifier <Linux-Development-Request@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu>
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To: Linux-Development@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Reply-To: Linux-Development@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Date: Thu, 8 Sep 94 19:13:08 EDT
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Subject: Linux-Development Digest #140
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Linux-Development Digest #140, Volume #2 Thu, 8 Sep 94 19:13:08 EDT
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Contents:
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Re: NET releases and non-8-bit aligned subnet masks (Alan Cox)
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Re: Future of linux -- the sequel (Tor Arntsen)
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Re: Multiprocessing Pentium Systems (Rich Deighton)
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Re: Multiprocessing Pentium Systems (Rich Deighton)
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Driver for Colorado Trakker? (Ilkka Tuohela)
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Re: Alpha Linux (Tor Arntsen)
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Re: Netware Client (Rafal Maszkowski)
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Re: News Spool File System - new filesystem type?? (Wolfgang Schelongowski)
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Mach64 XServer 90MHz limitation (Weng Loh)
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Linux for the Mac... :-) (George Andre)
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Re: Netware Client (Mark Evans)
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Re: Future of linux -- the sequel (Vicky.Barbe)
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Re: Future of linux -- the sequel (Vicky.Barbe)
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Re: NOVELL lan driver for linux ?? (Po-An Hsiung)
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Re: Best PCI viceo and SCSI controller (Jered J Floyd)
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sather on a PowerMac? (Ron Dilsavor (Sverdrup))
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Re: Future of linux -- the sequel (Dan Newcombe)
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Re: help SCSI aha1542 broken since 1.1.36 now in 1.1.49 (Rene COUGNENC)
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Re: floppy problems in 1.1.49 (Wolfram Gloger)
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Re: Survey: who wants f77,cc,c++,hpf for linux? (Dan Newcombe)
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From: iialan@iifeak.swan.ac.uk (Alan Cox)
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Subject: Re: NET releases and non-8-bit aligned subnet masks
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Date: Wed, 7 Sep 1994 19:55:34 GMT
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In article <lma.778890891@dayton.Stanford.EDU> lma@dayton.Stanford.EDU (Larry Augustin) writes:
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>A (hopefully) quick question. Which versions of Net and the kernel
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>support non 8-bit aligned networks/netmasks? I couldn't find any
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>mention of this in the FAQs.
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0.99.15 and higher
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Alan
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// Alan Cox // iialan@www.linux.org.uk // GW4PTS@GB7SWN.#45.GBR.EU //
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From: tor@spacetec.no (Tor Arntsen)
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Subject: Re: Future of linux -- the sequel
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Date: 8 Sep 1994 15:35:12 GMT
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Reply-To: tor@spacetec.no
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In article s5o@glitnir.ifi.uio.no, kjetilho@ifi.uio.no (Kjetil Torgrim Homme) writes:
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[...]
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>BTW, the entry level Indy used to be the Indy 4400PC, and the 4400's
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>performance without a secondary cache is pretty poor. It's still at
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>least as fast as a DX66.
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[...]
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The entry level Indy used to be an R4000PC, not R4400. The difference is big..
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We have both the Indy 4000PC and the 4600 version on site here.
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The 4600 is really nice and fast.
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I'm considering a R4600 board for a PC box, although the CPU alone is not enough
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to get a well balanced system w.r.t. performance.
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---
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Tor Arntsen (tor@spacetec.no) Standard disclaimers apply.
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From: rad@ndl.co.uk (Rich Deighton)
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Subject: Re: Multiprocessing Pentium Systems
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Date: Thu, 8 Sep 1994 08:45:08 GMT
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>I've just seen some new dual processor pentium systems in Computer
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>Shopper. They look swell for the money, but there isn't a single OS
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>that can take advantage of them.
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Wrong. Windows NT will take advantage of multi-processors and does it
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transparently without any extra config.
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From: rad@ndl.co.uk (Rich Deighton)
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Subject: Re: Multiprocessing Pentium Systems
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Date: Thu, 8 Sep 1994 08:56:54 GMT
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>Are you sure NT doesn't support them? I thought it supported SMP?
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>(I know.. It's not much of an OS, but it isn't all _that_ bad from
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>what I hear.)
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"...not much of an OS.."
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Ho-hum. It's actually an extremely good OS. I've been using it for 3 months
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now and have been toying with the idea of making space on my Linux box for
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it. The NT kernel (executive) provides features similiar to the Linux kernel,
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there are differences especially in the way NT is hardware independant,
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is fully multip-threaded and can handle SMP. Features which I think the Linux
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kernel would benefit from.
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So the frontend to NT is basically the 3.1 API but so what. It actually works
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under the NT kernel! You can get used to it.
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It has to be said that Linux is a very good OS, but there is little need to
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flame something just because it comes from Microsoft. Be open minded about
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such things :-)
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Rich
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From: Ilkka Tuohela
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Subject: Driver for Colorado Trakker?
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Date: 07 Sep 1994 21:28:17 GMT
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Has someone written a Colorado Trakker -driver for Linux? Where could
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I find it?
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* hile *
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From: tor@spacetec.no (Tor Arntsen)
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Subject: Re: Alpha Linux
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Date: 8 Sep 1994 15:18:14 GMT
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Reply-To: tor@spacetec.no
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>>>Why drop one?
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>>>16 bits = short int
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>>>32 bits = int
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>>>64 bits = long
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>
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>This is, what OSF/1 does. So `the OSF/1 idiocy' bemoaned by Anton must
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[...]
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And IRIX 6 as far as I know.
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--
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Tor
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From: rzm@dain.oso.chalmers.se (Rafal Maszkowski)
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Subject: Re: Netware Client
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Date: Thu, 8 Sep 1994 12:24:55 GMT
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Mark Evans (evansmp@mb4715.aston.ac.uk) wrote:
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> Alan Cox (iialan@iifeak.swan.ac.uk) wrote:
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> : Alternatively you wait for Undocumented Netware to come out and work from
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> : that.
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> Or you read the Dr Dobbs stuff, look at lots of ethernet packets, apply guesswork and
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> trial and error.
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Just curiosity: can the author be sued for writing or distributing
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client written as above?
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R.
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--
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Rafal Maszkowski rzm@oso.chalmers.se http://www.mat.uni.torun.pl/~rzm
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Opinia publiczna powinna byc zaalarmowana swoim nieistnieniem - St. J. Lec
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From: ws@xivic.bo.open.de (Wolfgang Schelongowski)
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Crossposted-To: news.software.b
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Subject: Re: News Spool File System - new filesystem type??
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Date: 8 Sep 1994 13:02:10 +0200
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In <ROB.94Sep7164407@gangrene.berkeley.edu> rob@agate.berkeley.edu (Rob Robertson) writes:
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>In article <f8bQkapDlfeB067yn@halcyon.com> mpdillon@halcyon.com (Michael Dillon) writes:
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> 1. This is a compressed file system using LZ technology
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> 2. Since LZ compression replaces repeated strings with a dictionary
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> reference and since news postings tend to have a lot of the
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> same words over and over, the NSFS uses a two part dictionary.
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> The first part of the dictionary is applied to all files in the
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> NSFS and contains words that are likely to occur in many news postings.
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> This includes headers
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There should be enough redundance to recognize garbled headers. Remember
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the flood of dupes during Easter? That was a gateway from another net
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where data is stored in a form that is very efficient for the site,
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but a pain in the %&$ for the net. We shouldn't fall for _known_ traps.
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(There used to be a sort of regular posting, ahem thread, in de.admin.*
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under subjects like (translated) "NUKE THE %&$! GATEWAYS !!!!". I haven't
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seen it for more than a month, however ...)
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>and common English words and phrases. The
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NON. Tout compris? (Translation: NEIN. Alles klar?).
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See what I mean?
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> second part is a file specific dictionary as is normally found in
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> LZ compression systems.
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>I don't think this would work, as so many words in usenet postings are
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>misspelled that looking them up in a dictionary, probably won't buy
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>you anything, cuz they won't be found!
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> ^
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> c whut i meen?
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>Oh, I just got an idea, maybe we could use it to do spelling
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>correction!
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"Their are knot any dragons hear. Instead their are bare and hoarse and
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a grate many other monsters. Hour ruler is King Trent, whoo has rained
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four seventeen years. Know won gets chaste here; oui fair inn piece.
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My tail is dun."
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Indeed, it is.
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--
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Wolfgang Schelongowski ws@xivic.bo.open.de
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Disclaimer: Some of my best Bnews users are friends.
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From: wloh@panix.com (Weng Loh)
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Subject: Mach64 XServer 90MHz limitation
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Date: 8 Sep 1994 15:24:37 -0400
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I am currently playing with "alpha" driver for the ATI
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Mach64 chipset XServer posted on sunsite.unc.edu.
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The configured clocks for that chipset goes up to 135Mhz
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(or thereabout) but the server does not like seeing any
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clock set above 90Mhz.
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I have tried rebuilding the server ( XFree_SVGA using
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the alpha ATI driver.c ) after changing the include
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file x386.h def for the default max clock rate to
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150000 (150Mhz) and remade all files. However the
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rebuilt Server still complains if I specify a clock
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over 90MHz.
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This is proving to be a real nuisance as my ATI
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card needs a 100Mhz clock to do the resolutions
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above 1024x768 at acceptable (70Hz) refresh rates.
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Does anybody know if there are other parts of the
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server that needs to be patched to overcome this
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90MHz clock limit?
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Thanks.
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Weng.
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From: dat94gan@ludat.lth.se (George Andre)
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Subject: Linux for the Mac... :-)
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Date: 8 Sep 1994 18:50:48 GMT
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Reply-To: dat94gan@ludat.lth.se
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Hi folks!
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I must confess.. I got so excited about the Linux on my schools PCs that I've decided to help the Linux community to port it on the Mac... Anyone that is involved into such a project or knows someone that is, please, give me a call. (email)
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mvh, George A.
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**********************************************************************************
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George Andre * Epiqure Design
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dat94gan@ludat.lth.se * Sweden's only entertainment software house.
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**********************************************************************************
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From: evansmp@mb4715.aston.ac.uk (Mark Evans)
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Subject: Re: Netware Client
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Date: Thu, 8 Sep 1994 08:47:24 GMT
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Alan Cox (iialan@iifeak.swan.ac.uk) wrote:
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: In article <090294103907Rnf0.79b5@ankh-morpork.hacktic.nl> sander@ankh-morpork.hacktic.nl (Sander Plomp) writes:
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: >But NetWare clients for many OS-es exists, and it should be possible to
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: >make one for linux just as well.
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: Yes you buy the documentation from Novell for $15000 + royalties sign a
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: non disclosure agreement and write a user mode file system using no GPL or
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: LGL code.
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: Alternatively you wait for Undocumented Netware to come out and work from
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: that.
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Or you read the Dr Dobbs stuff, look at lots of ethernet packets, apply guesswork and
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trial and error.
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From: barbe@uia.ac.be (Vicky.Barbe)
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Subject: Re: Future of linux -- the sequel
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Reply-To: barbe@uia.ac.be
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Date: Thu, 8 Sep 1994 14:24:05 GMT
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In article 4uA@pe1chl.ampr.org, rob@pe1chl.ampr.org (Rob Janssen) writes:
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> In <34el3j$hsp@gazette.engr.sgi.com> erik@westworld.esd.sgi.com (Erik Fortune) writes:
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>
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<stuff about article deleted>
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> However, this is not what the thread is all about. The point is that the
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> original statement that an Indy makes a Pentium feel like a 4.77MHz XT
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> was a gross exaggeration, and that still stands. The memo only shows that
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> SGI has had performance problems as well. It would be a real feat when
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> the difference between 5.1 and 5.2 was between something that is too
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> slow to work with and something that is 50 times as fast as a Pentium,
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> but I *really doubt* this is the case.
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No, err, the point actually was that Linux is getting so large it is
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becoming unhandy : 1.66 megabytes doesn't even fit on one floppy anymore !
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Cut the bull and throw away all but the most necessary drivers, let the
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owners get their drivers off the net if they want ! It's okay to put
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all the drivers into the distributions, but I don't want them when I upgrade
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my kernel. Most kernel work isn't kernel but driver work these days.
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And I'm not proposing holy wars against Intel architecture, I just said that
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Linux is perhaps a bit too depending on it. I know that to build an OS that
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runs on a lot of different architectures (with or without recompiling), you
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have got to write a new OS and put Linux on top, so forget about that for
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a moment. But all those drivers ... I don't want to spend 6 megabytes of
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my hard disk for just the sources of yet another cdrom or scsi or ethernet
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device.
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> Rob
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Peter.
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From: barbe@uia.ac.be (Vicky.Barbe)
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Subject: Re: Future of linux -- the sequel
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Reply-To: barbe@uia.ac.be
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Date: Thu, 8 Sep 1994 14:31:32 GMT
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> But one can buy PC-Hardware on each Shop, department store, and so on....
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> The "Shit" is available everywhere. If you go to a computer show (e.g. CeBIT,
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> or ComDex...) you here the question "Can this HardWare running Windows???"!
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> The masses ask for Intel, not For POWER, MIPS, Sparc or ARM....!!!
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> I to think Motorola, and all the others have built better Procs., but not the
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> best wins the Price. The most aggressive does it!! And MS-Intel is aggressive!
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>
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... like the good old fortune once told me :
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"Suppose Cray computers suddenly develop a personal computer. So it happens,
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and the machine turns out to run at 300Mhz, 500 Mips, it has 200Mb of internal
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memory, 4Gb hard disk, a screen resolution of 4096x4096 in 24bit true color
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and ... it fits into your shirt pocket and is fully voice activated. Which
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is the first question the computer society asks ?
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'Does it run dos-software ?'"
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Peter.
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From: eric@laplace (Po-An Hsiung)
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Subject: Re: NOVELL lan driver for linux ??
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Date: 8 Sep 1994 08:12:32 GMT
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Have you tried using dosemu0.53 (the latest version is pre53_18) which
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includes support for NOVELL lan, so try it.
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BTW, if you don't know dosemu is a DOS emulator for linux which is very
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efficient and almost the same as the real DOS.
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Eric.
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Kevin Kitchens (cprklk@gsusgi2.Gsu.EDU) wrote:
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: alberto gaiga (gaiga@c700-1.sm.dsi.unimi.it) wrote:
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: : Dear Linuxers,
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: : I have a PC on a NOVELL lan, I would like to use it
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: : with linux...
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: : You know... dos is not Uni*!
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: : Well, the question is this:
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: : The novell is attached to Internet,
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: : is there a way to let my pc
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: : share this link? Can my Pc
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: : run linux and use novell to reach
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: : the outer world?
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: : The only way that I can figure is to use another
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: : PC as MSDOS-SLIP server and attach my machine to it.
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: : Any help will be appreciated very much.
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: : PLEASE ANSWER WITH MAIL!!!
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: : Best regards,Alberto.
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: PLEASE ANSWER TO THE LIST TOO!!!!
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: Kevin
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~\\|//~
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-(o o)-
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+---------------------------oOOOo--(_)--oOOOo----------------------------+
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|Eric, E-mail addr: eric@math.ntu.edu.tw |
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|System Manager, Tel. ext. : 2903 (886-02-363-0231) |
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|Department of Mathematics, Office : New Math. Bldg., Rm. # 402.|
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|National Taiwan University. Time avail.: 12:30 to 17:30. |
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From: jered@mit.edu (Jered J Floyd)
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Subject: Re: Best PCI viceo and SCSI controller
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Date: 8 Sep 1994 21:40:57 GMT
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What I use, and find as best, is:
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Buslogic BT946C - PCI This SCSI card is absolutely wonderful.
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Diamond Stealth 64 PCI This video will be supported in XF3.1
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--
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Jered Floyd - jered@mit.edu
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Geek Code 2.1 - GAT d? H- s-:- g- p? !au a-- w+ v+ C++++ UL++++ P+ L++
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N+++ K+++ W++ M-- V-- -po+ Y++ tv+ 5+++ j++ R v++ b+++ D+++ B--- e* u**
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h++ f? r? n- !y+ (Finger for PGP key, picture, humor anOUT OF SPACE
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From: rdilsavo@mbvlab.wpafb.af.mil (Ron Dilsavor (Sverdrup))
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Subject: sather on a PowerMac?
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Date: 7 Sep 1994 21:05:40 GMT
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From: newcombe@aa.csc.peachnet.edu (Dan Newcombe)
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Subject: Re: Future of linux -- the sequel
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Date: Thu, 8 Sep 1994 10:51:28 UNDEFINED
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In article <1994Sep8.143132.16414@reks.uia.ac.be> barbe@uia.ac.be (Vicky.Barbe) writes:
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>... like the good old fortune once told me :
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>"Suppose Cray computers suddenly develop a personal computer. So it happens,
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>and the machine turns out to run at 300Mhz, 500 Mips, it has 200Mb of internal
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>memory, 4Gb hard disk, a screen resolution of 4096x4096 in 24bit true color
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>and ... it fits into your shirt pocket and is fully voice activated. Which
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>is the first question the computer society asks ?
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>'Does it run dos-software ?'"
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Yup...you can tell it's an old fortune. now adays they'd ask if it ran
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windows :(
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--
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Dan Newcombe newcombe@aa.csc.peachnet.edu
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-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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"And the man in the mirror has sad eyes." -Marillion
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From: rene@renux.frmug.fr.net (Rene COUGNENC)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
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Subject: Re: help SCSI aha1542 broken since 1.1.36 now in 1.1.49
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Date: 7 Sep 1994 15:19:37 GMT
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Reply-To: cougnenc@hsc.fr.net (Rene COUGNENC)
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Ce brave Steven A Marien ecrit:
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> In article <94249.131208BTITMARS@esoc.bitnet>,
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> BARRY TITMARSH <BTITMARS@ESOC.BITNET> wrote:
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> >So please. Who is working on scsi aha1542B/C code now..
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> >I have a broken aha1542 since 1.1.36 and still no fix.
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>
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> My Adaptec 1542B has worked with every kernel I've installed.
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> This includes 1.1.49 and many other previous patch levels.
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Mine too, I'm happy with it.
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linux linux linux linux -[ cougnenc@renux.frmug.fr.net ]- linux linux linux
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From: u7y22ab@sun2.lrz-muenchen.de (Wolfram Gloger)
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Subject: Re: floppy problems in 1.1.49
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Date: 8 Sep 1994 14:53:20 GMT
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tinamou@vega.cray.com (Doug Nicholson) writes:
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>Michael Callahan (callahan@maths.ox.ac.uk) wrote:
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>[ ... some stuff deleted ... ]
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>: Sep 2 04:58:18 darkstar kernel: VFS: Disk change detected on device 2/0
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>: Sep 2 04:58:22 darkstar kernel: floppy: disk absent or changed during operationSep 2 04:58:22 darkstar kernel: floppy I/O error
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>: Sep 2 04:58:22 darkstar kernel: dev 0200, sector 38
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>[ ... more stuff deleted ... ]
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As this was not while loading a ramdisk, I can't comment.
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>You're not the only one having problems, Mike.
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>I get messages similar to the above when I boot from floppy and
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>the kernel is copying the floppy to the ramdisk. This occurs
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>with both 1.1.23 and 1.1.45 but not 1.0 or 1.0.9.
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I had this too until 1.1.47 (I believe) then it got fixed - I have
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a bootable rootdisk with 1.1.49 that works just fine.
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Wolfram.
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From: newcombe@aa.csc.peachnet.edu (Dan Newcombe)
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Crossposted-To: comp.lang.fortran
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Subject: Re: Survey: who wants f77,cc,c++,hpf for linux?
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Date: Thu, 8 Sep 1994 11:01:16 UNDEFINED
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In article <34m769$bju@indy.pgroup.com> lfm@pgroup.com (Larry Meadows) writes:
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>1. Are people interested in a commercial compiler suite for Linux on
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> Intel Architecture platforms? The suite would include true compilers
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> for extended Fortran 77, ANSI C, Draft-ANSI C++ with extensions, and
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> High Performance Fortran. C, f77, and C++ could support shared memory
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> parallelism (thread-based) if system support is available in Linux.
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> HPF would support socket-based communications on networked systems,
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> and could support custom interconnects.
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Well, I think that porting the C/C++ would be fruitless with Gnu. The
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FORTRAN, while not useful to me, would probably be found useful by some.
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There is the f2c program, but I think a native FORTRAN compiler would be
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looked upon with more favour.
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>2. How much would people pay for such a product [ loaded question ]?
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As I've said, it's not something I need...but I would expect it should be no
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more than $500.
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>3. What distribution media would be required?
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Floppy, CD, FTP
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>4. Is there interest in accompanying GUI/non-GUI debuggers and
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> performance analysis tools?
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A GUI debugger would be nice. xxgdb is a pain, and UPS, while better, ain't
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perfect. It would be nice as long as it's not thousands of dollars.
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-Dan
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Dan Newcombe newcombe@aa.csc.peachnet.edu
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