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From: Digestifier <Linux-Development-Request@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu>
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To: Linux-Development@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Reply-To: Linux-Development@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Date: Sun, 11 Sep 94 07:13:04 EDT
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Subject: Linux-Development Digest #154
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Linux-Development Digest #154, Volume #2 Sun, 11 Sep 94 07:13:04 EDT
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Contents:
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Re: Hangs with 1.1.49 ? (Brian Kramer)
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Re: Homemade Terminal Server cheap (cmattern@ronin.mindspring.com)
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Re: DOSEMU 0.53pl18 und 1.1.49 : Serial Problems (C. Engelmann)
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Re: Does really Linux uses RAM efficiently? Undelete ability? (Zygo Blaxell)
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fdisk buggy? (juergen baumann)
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Drivers for Interlan NP600A e-net card? (David Monro)
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Re: fdisk buggy? (juergen baumann)
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Re: Survey: who wants f77,cc,c++,hpf for linux? (David Holland)
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RFD: Linux and end-users (Was: Don't use Linux?!) (Michael Schumacher)
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Re: What on earth is happening to the stability of the Linux Kernel? (H. Peter Anvin)
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Re: Why was ncp removed in 1.1.48? (H. Peter Anvin)
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Re: A thought to improve security (H. Peter Anvin)
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Re: 320x200 X resolution? (Andreas Matthias)
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From: bjkramer@pluto.njcc.com (Brian Kramer)
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Subject: Re: Hangs with 1.1.49 ?
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Date: 8 Sep 1994 21:32:42 -0400
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Ray Bellis (rpb@psy.ox.ac.uk) wrote:
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: I'm having problems where my linux box hangs when doing any significant
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: network access, such as compiling or running X applications (I've got
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: /usr remote mounted using NFS).
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: When the system hangs there aren't any debug messages, the system
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: just stops dead. This didn't used to happen when running 1.0.9.
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: Unfortunately I can't stay running 1.0.9 since the precompiled
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: version on the Slackware 2.0 distribution doesn't contain the
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: devices I need, and if I build 1.0.9 myself it hangs when trying
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: to detect my NE2000 ethernet card.
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: I've posted this to the development group because it seems to be
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: a problem with the new kernel.
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I had this problem with 1.1.46 and 1.1.50...I only added the quota patch
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to the system. It just stops dead. I am back to 1.0.9 till I figure out
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how to solve it.
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--
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Brian Kramer - Owner/Systems Administrator - bjkramer@pluto.njcc.com
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New Jersey Computer Connection - Public Access Unix Site - pluto.njcc.com
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Voice: 609-896-2799 - Fax: 609-896-2994 - Dialups: 609-896-3191
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Dialup or Telnet to pluto.njcc.com and log in as guest for more information.
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From: cmattern@ronin.mindspring.com
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Crossposted-To: comp.dcom.servers
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Subject: Re: Homemade Terminal Server cheap
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Date: 10 Sep 1994 21:41:44 -0400
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Reply-To: cmattern@mindspring.com
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Liam Greenwood (liam@durie.wanganui.gen.nz) wrote:
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: William (billw@glare.cisco.com) wrote:
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: > 1) MSRP for the 16 port card is over $700 apiece - I don't know where
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: > the original poster got $400 for 16 ports. (MSRP of 8 port cards
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: > was over $400.) Cyclade also sells a full "terminal server", 16 ports
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: Cyclades ad in Linux Journal #5 page 6 says;
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: "Order Now Just $99.- 8 ports $399.- 16 ports"
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The ad also specifies that that price is for first time resellers. I
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suspect there are a few strings but the ad is, IMHO, very deceptive,
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especially coming as it does in something that is more of a user/hacker
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mag than a trade journal for VARs.
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--
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===================================================================
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|Chuck Mattern | "Not failure, but low aim, is crime." |
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|cmattern@mindspring.com | -James Russell Lowell- |
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From: engel@yacc.central.de (C. Engelmann)
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Subject: Re: DOSEMU 0.53pl18 und 1.1.49 : Serial Problems
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Date: Thu, 8 Sep 1994 19:30:16 GMT
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root@fabsoft2.zarm.uni-bremen.de (Martin Cornelius) wrote:
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>I just successfully installed Kernel 1.1.49 and Dosemu 0.53pl18,
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>but the serial Ports seem to be not working at all. When I try
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>to install the MS mouse-driver or the Logimouse driver, they
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>both say that no mouse can be found. Also, Procomm cannot access
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>the ports. I'm sure the harware is o.k. as i can use the ports
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>with kermit, selection and X. The serial entries in my dosemu.conf
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>didn't change since dosemu 0.52, where everything worked fine.
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>Any Hints ??
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Not a hint, but the same problem using kernel 1.1.44.
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DOSEMU locks up if I try to load the mouse driver.
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Under X things are working well(the first time !).
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From: zblaxell@calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca (Zygo Blaxell)
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Subject: Re: Does really Linux uses RAM efficiently? Undelete ability?
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Date: Sun, 11 Sep 1994 00:01:50 GMT
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In article <CvEK8E.B4@odin.apana.org.au>,
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John Saunders <john@odin.apana.org.au> wrote:
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>Anthony W. Kay (tkay@crl.com) wrote:
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>> Undelete is a feature you can build on by replacing the rm command with
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>> a program that moves the file to some sort of "trashcan (a directory
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>> like /tmp)". Then write a program (call it unrm if you wish), that
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>> searches the "trashcan", and moves the file(s) back. Remember to add
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>> a program to your crontab that "times out" these files and actually
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>> removes them. (you might also add a rmtrash command).
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>
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>One idea would be to have a "disk space" daemon that periodically checks
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I already do all of this. A 'trash' command mv's files to a
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subdirectory per user in /tmp. A 'tmpclean' script deletes the oldest
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files first until 15% of /tmp is free. They're written as 'bash'
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aliases and 'perl' scripts.
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
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From: root@prometheus.dinoex.sub.org (juergen baumann)
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Subject: fdisk buggy?
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Date: Sat, 10 Sep 1994 19:01:29 GMT
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after some days well working system a
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rather interesting phenomenon
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Disk /dev/sda: 64 heads, 32 sectors, 515 cylinders
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Units = sectors of 1 * 512 bytes
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Device Boot Begin Start End Blocks Id System
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/dev/sda4 184320 184320 1054719 435200 5 Extended
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/dev/sda5 184352 184352 225279 20464 83 Linux native
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/dev/sda6 225280 225280 286719 30720 83 Linux native
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/dev/sda7 286720 286720 348159 30720 83 Linux native
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/dev/sda8 348160 348160 409599 30720 83 Linux native
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/dev/sda9 409600 409600 614399 102400 83 Linux native
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/dev/sda10 614400 614400 860069 122835 83 Linux native
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/dev/sda11 860160 860160 962559 51200 83 Linux native
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/dev/sda12 962560 962560 1054719 46080 83 Linux native
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Nr AF Hd Sec Cyl Hd Sec Cyl Start Size ID
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4 00 0 1 90 63 32 514 184320 870400 05
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5 00 1 1 90 63 32 109 32 40928 83
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6 00 0 1 110 63 32 139 1 61440 83
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7 00 0 1 140 63 32 169 1 61440 83
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8 00 0 1 170 63 32 199 1 61440 83
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9 00 0 1 200 63 32 299 1 204800 83
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10 00 0 1 300 63 32 419 1 245670 83
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11 00 0 1 420 63 32 469 1 102400 83
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12 00 0 1 470 63 32 514 1 92160 83
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eigentlich alles kein Problem, jede Partition hat ihren
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eigenen Raum, keine Ueberschneidungen. Denkste...
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die ersten Partitionen habe ich aus der Liste geloescht,
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waren nicht betroffen, daher unwichtig.
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first partitions are deleted --- they weren't important.
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normally no problem, every partition has its own room,
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no overlapping...
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parttion 4 is the first extended one. every partition is
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preceeded by a block with one entry for the mainpartition
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and a pointer to the next partitionblock if there's any
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further extended partition.
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look at the table above. there's no room for these blocks
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at all! beetween every extended partition there should be
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at least one block free, not listed as part of a partition.
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a diskeditor show, that the needed partitionblock is found
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on the last block of the partition before.
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the partitions was build with fdisk 1.4. normally it works
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ok, so that the necessary block is inserted automatically.
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if you try to enter a used block, you'll get an error and
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I think the partitions were ok 2 weeks ago, when they're built.
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I don't know, what's happened. today I've done a reboot to
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load another kernel and get errors while reading the partitions,
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cause some partitionblocks was overwritten by some files.
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once the intention of this is to prevent damages on other systems
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and naturately It would be nice to get know what's happened there...
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jb
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--
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automatically created signature was bounced to prevent the forwarding to /dev/null....
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From: davidm@syd.dms.CSIRO.AU (David Monro)
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Subject: Drivers for Interlan NP600A e-net card?
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Date: Fri, 9 Sep 1994 15:37:11 GMT
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I have just dredged up a couple of MICOM-Interlan NP600A net cards and
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was wondering if there is any way of using them under Linux. They look
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like they would have been nice cards in their day - on board 80186 w/
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512K memory etc, designed to do some of the protocol stack on-card
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rather than under the OS, 16bit bus.
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Anybody any ideas on how to drive them out there - can they fake a
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cheap card (NE2000 or WD80x3?) or something like that? Or am I out of
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luck this time? (I've been able to drive just about all the other random
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hardware that's fallen into the black hole I call my room...)
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David
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
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From: root@prometheus.dinoex.sub.org (juergen baumann)
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Subject: Re: fdisk buggy?
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Date: Sat, 10 Sep 1994 19:04:45 GMT
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oops, the kernel is 1.0 ;)
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file-system was build
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with ext2 0.5a
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jb
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--
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automatically created signature was bounced to prevent the forwarding to /dev/null....
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Crossposted-To: comp.lang.fortran
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Subject: Re: Survey: who wants f77,cc,c++,hpf for linux?
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From: dholland@husc7.harvard.edu (David Holland)
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Date: 9 Sep 94 15:53:29
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lfm@pgroup.com's message of 7 Sep 1994 22:24:25 -0700 said:
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> 1. Are people interested in a commercial compiler suite for Linux on
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> Intel Architecture platforms?
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Probably.
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However, you'd have to keep the cost in the range people expect
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($50-500) - none of these $20,000 two-user licenses that some Unix
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software vendors offer. Nobody would jump for that.
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> The suite would include true compilers for extended Fortran 77,
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> ANSI C, Draft-ANSI C++ with extensions, and High Performance
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> Fortran.
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There's definitely room for a Fortran compiler, especially a good one.
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f2c just doesn't cut it for a lot of things. As far as C goes,
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remember you have to beat gcc and g++; but that shouldn't be terribly
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difficult. A native 80x86 compiler generates much better code than
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gcc, because the 80x86 architecture is so weird.
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> 2. How much would people pay for such a product [ loaded question ]?
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Depends on how good it is. If it doesn't offer any noticeable
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improvement over gcc, almost nobody's going to bother.
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One area where gcc falls seriously short, IMO, is performance...
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> 3. What distribution media would be required?
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Floppy, CD-ROM are good... non-anonymous ftp might be good too.
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> 4. Is there interest in accompanying GUI/non-GUI debuggers and
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> performance analysis tools?
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Yes. We're all used to gdb, but it's awfully primitive. (A
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command-line debugger? Please...)
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--
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- David A. Holland | -- "Do you have a moment?" -- "Yes.
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dholland@husc.harvard.edu | Unfortunately, it's a moment of inertia."
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From: hightec@sbusol.rz.uni-sb.de (Michael Schumacher)
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Subject: RFD: Linux and end-users (Was: Don't use Linux?!)
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Date: 11 Sep 1994 07:36:42 GMT
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Greetings!
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I received some mail in response to my "Dont use Linux!?" article, which
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I posted to c.o.l.d. People kindly reminded me that subjects like "Dont
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use Linux" are typically used to start a flame war, but not a serious
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discussion. Well, I really *hate* wars of any kind, and just to take
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away any potential snake-oil, I changed the subject line in the hope that
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you carefully read what I've written, and that you now are willing to start
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a serious discussion.
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Please allow me to explain a few details: I do *not* think that the policy
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for the kernel or the C library needs to be changed. I didn't say that,
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I didn't write that, and I didn't think that. The problem I tried to
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describe is the following: If you're offering a commercial product (e.g.
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a database) for Linux, it might happen, that it will not run with newer
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versions of the C library. If a customer purchases your database and is
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not able to get things running, he will definitely make YOU responsible
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for that, even though the problems are not caused by your database code.
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I mentioned some CDROMs which contain dumps of the major Linux/GNU/X
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ftp archives. I did *not* mean the CD versions of dedicated Linux
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distributions (slackware, debian, SLS, ...), which usually come with
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printed documentation, boot disks, and hotline support. I explained
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(well, tried to ...) what I think is wrong with the sort of CDs
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described above: they might be very useful for experienced users (e.g.,
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it might be cheaper to buy such a CD, than to download the sources of
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X11R6 using a slow SLIP connection), but they are not appropriate for
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average users, who have no idea of Un*x and just want to try out Linux.
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Again: I don't think this newsgroup is read by someone who hates Linux,
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so we all - more or less - love this OS. It's great for developers and
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for people who want to learn about Un*x and such, but it's a pain for
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end-users. Have you ever tried to convince a typical DOS- or Mac-user
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of Linux? Sooner or later talking comes to applications, and at that
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point you'll have to talk a lot about emulators, and people will ask
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you: I've got DOS/Windows right now. Could you please explain me, why
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I should use Linux? If it's nothing more than just a platform for
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any-sort-of-emulators to run my applications, I don't need that! This
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is the public opinion about Linux, sorry to say that. IMHO, Linux is
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just to great to deserve this, and therefore I want *YOU* to start a
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discussion about how we can change this. Linux needs commercial products,
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so we have to convince the companies that Linux *IS* a target. The race
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is not run before the huge companies and market leaders appear on the
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scene. If someone like WordPerfect or Borland will offer their products
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for Linux, this will be a signal for others, too. Without the support
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from the commercial world, Linux will stay the "best OS without success".
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I don't mind if you don't share my opinion, and I don't mind if you send
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me a mail about your opinion. But please not in that style:
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[start of quote]
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From daemon Sat Sep 10 07:51:45 1994
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Received: from netcom10.netcom.com by sbusol.rz.uni-sb.de (8.6.8.1/v2.0)
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id HAA18438; Sat, 10 Sep 1994 07:51:39 +0200
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Received: by netcom10.netcom.com (8.6.8.1/Netcom)
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id WAA15823; Fri, 9 Sep 1994 22:50:47 -0700
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Date: Fri, 9 Sep 1994 22:50:47 -0700
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From: tgm@netcom.com (Thomas G. McWilliams)
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Message-Id: <199409100550.WAA15823@netcom10.netcom.com>
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To: hightec@sbusol.rz.uni-sb.de (Michael Schumacher)
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Subject: Re: Don't use Linux?!
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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.development
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Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest)
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X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1]
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Status: RO
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In article <34pq45INNojt@sbusol.rz.uni-sb.de> you wrote:
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: and so I asked my employer for permission to make it GPL'd freeware.
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: Guess what, he said "No way!". So I ripped off my bones and used all
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: of my talents to persuade him to make it a shareware product instead
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: of a true commercial package. Well, now that tgdb is available for
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: a couple of weeks, I'm quite sure there are 100's or even more people
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: who use it for their daily debug sessions. Fine. But the bloody truth
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: is that not even a *single* person has paid the nominal shareware
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Mikey,
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Why don't you sell your bullshit to NT users?
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I'm sure you'll find plenty of buyers for your penny-ante cruft.
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tgm@netcom.com
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[end of quote]
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I'm not very familiar with that kind of language, and I definitely hope
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this is not the way the Linux community treats people who try to make
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Linux a successful operating system outside the academic world.
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Thanks,
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mike
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From: hpa@ahab.eecs.nwu.edu (H. Peter Anvin)
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Subject: Re: What on earth is happening to the stability of the Linux Kernel?
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Reply-To: hpa@nwu.edu (H. Peter Anvin)
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Date: Fri, 9 Sep 1994 06:04:09 GMT
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Followup to: <Cvr8z3.GDo@info.swan.ac.uk>
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By author: iialan@iifeak.swan.ac.uk (Alan Cox)
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In newsgroup: comp.os.linux.development
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>
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> Well the 1.3.x networking code will probably start out fairly interesting
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> with all the additional IP multicasting, protocol layering and other toys.
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>
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Wonderful... I can't wait! :) Thanks, Alan, and all you other
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developers for a fantastic job.
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Here at Northwestern, when the freshmen come in this fall (that is,
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next week) they will be able to install Linux directly over the
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network, from their dorm rooms. We expect that to lead to a lot more
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Linux users here on campus. Something quite amusing about the whole
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thing is that we initially were going to have the file server for this
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job being a SunOS box, but we had to change it to a Linux one since
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the Sun couldn't NFS-export a directory to a whole domain (and our
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netadmin said we were not allowed to export to the world).
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We are basically using a Slackware distribution with slightly modified
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install scripts (automatic network configuration via BOOTP).
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/hpa
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--
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INTERNET: hpa@nwu.edu --- Allah'u'abha ---
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IBM MAIL: I0050052 at IBMMAIL HAM RADIO: N9ITP or SM4TKN
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FIDONET: 1:115/511 or 1:115/512 STORMNET: 181:294/1 or 181:294/101
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Help! I'm stuck on this planet!
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From: hpa@ahab.eecs.nwu.edu (H. Peter Anvin)
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Subject: Re: Why was ncp removed in 1.1.48?
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Reply-To: hpa@nwu.edu (H. Peter Anvin)
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Date: Fri, 9 Sep 1994 06:05:47 GMT
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Followup to: <Cvr9vF.GqJ@info.swan.ac.uk>
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By author: iialan@iifeak.swan.ac.uk (Alan Cox)
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In newsgroup: comp.os.linux.development
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>
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> It was something Mark Evans added that really didnt belong in the kernel
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> (NCP uses three sockets in a way you can handle cleanly in user mode).
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>
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How about SPX? SPX seems like it ought to belong in the kernel.
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(SPX is to IPX as TCP is to IP, pretty much.)
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/hpa
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INTERNET: hpa@nwu.edu --- Allah'u'abha ---
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IBM MAIL: I0050052 at IBMMAIL HAM RADIO: N9ITP or SM4TKN
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From: hpa@ahab.eecs.nwu.edu (H. Peter Anvin)
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Subject: Re: A thought to improve security
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Reply-To: hpa@nwu.edu (H. Peter Anvin)
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Date: Fri, 9 Sep 1994 06:14:14 GMT
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Followup to: <Cvty8x.1uv@sunsrvr6.cci.com>
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By author: cdw@cci.com (Craig Woodward)
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In newsgroup: comp.os.linux.development
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>
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> >Now my suggestion :
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> >Let's modify the kernel a bit,....
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>
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> If I had a penny for every time someone wanted to change the kernel...
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> Why not compile the shell right into the kernel? Heck, MSDOG did it.
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>
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Certainly MS-DOG did not... the kernel in MS-DOG is IO.SYS and
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MSDOS.SYS (IBMBIO.COM and IBMDOS.COM on some OEM versions). The shell
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is COMMAND.COM. However, several of the *user utilities* (COPY, DEL...)
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are compiled into the *shell*, and for reasons that were good for the
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original purpose of MS-DOG (to run on a floppy-only system too small to
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run UNIX).
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Now, many of the old Z80-based machines used BASIC in ROM as their
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operating system. There you can indeed say that the shell was built
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into the kernel. (And many of them had a command prompt ready by the
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time the monitor picture had stabilized after power-on... sigh.)
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/hpa
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
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From: andy@titan.central.de (Andreas Matthias)
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Subject: Re: 320x200 X resolution?
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Date: Sat, 10 Sep 1994 20:23:13 GMT
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: So.... 320x200 resolution anyone? :)
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: I'll post if I figure out how to do it.
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I have one that's working here (ET4000 with 17'' AOC monitor), but it
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occupies only about half of the screen in vertical direction. I did
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not find out how to make it bigger vertically. Perhaps someone else
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can continue with this:
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ModeDB
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# name clock horizontal timing vertical timing flags
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"320x200" 25 320 360 424 440 200 200 240 250
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btw: Could it be that fvwm gets confused with this resolution? It
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seems not to scroll correctly in the vertical direction.
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Ciao,
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Andreas
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