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From: Digestifier <Linux-Development-Request@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu>
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To: Linux-Development@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Reply-To: Linux-Development@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Date: Mon, 12 Sep 94 00:13:10 EDT
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Subject: Linux-Development Digest #159
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Linux-Development Digest #159, Volume #2 Mon, 12 Sep 94 00:13:10 EDT
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Contents:
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Re: Multiprocessing Pentium Systems (David Willmore)
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PCI m/boards + PCI scsi : what do you think? (Angelo Haritsis)
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Re: Alpha Linux (Bill Spitzak)
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Pointer to cyclades (Daniel Gelinas)
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Re: 480x360 Res works for me. (Mark A. Bentley)
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Re: Status of Mac Linux & PPC Linux? (Blake Sobiloff)
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Re: Survey: who wants f77,cc,c++,hpf for linux? (Richard Maine)
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Re: 480x360 Res works for me. (Mark A. Bentley)
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Re: Multiprocessing Pentium Systems (Hugh Emberson)
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Re: Non-ANSI constructs in the kernel (was Re: Unicode...) (David Holland)
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Re: News Spool File System - new filesystem type?? (Michael Dillon)
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Linux T-Shirts. Get your order in NOW! :) (Jean-Paul Chia)
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From: willmore@iastate.edu (David Willmore)
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Subject: Re: Multiprocessing Pentium Systems
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Date: 11 Sep 94 22:25:17 GMT
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keith@ksmith.com (Keith Smith) writes:
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>Richard Lamont <richard@stonix.demon.co.uk> wrote:
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>>Apparently compilations run about five times as fast with two Pentiums
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>>compared to one. I have no idea why this should be the case.
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>Because a compile is not a single process it is like 5 or 6ish
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>cpp -> cc1 -> cc2 -> cc3 -> [as ->] ld -> object_file
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>Depends alot on your compiler and how it does stuff like pre-processing,
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>and symbol resolutions. Most masssage your program for at least 4
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>passes. And they all run in a kernel pipleine, so you cut context
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>switching to do the compile in half for starters. and of course later
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>stages get a processor each to themselves.
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One of the causes of greater than 1.0 scalability occurs in multiprocessors
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is because some resources are duplicated. For example, 8 processors
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have 8x the cache that one has. For simple tasks like some of the phases
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of a compile, this can really pay off.
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Cheers,
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David
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--
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___________________________________________________________________________
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willmore@iastate.edu | "Death before dishonor" | "Better dead than greek" |
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David Willmore | "Ever noticed how much they look like orchids? Lovely!" |
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From: ah@doc.ic.ac.uk (Angelo Haritsis)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
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Subject: PCI m/boards + PCI scsi : what do you think?
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Date: 12 Sep 94 01:09:04 GMT
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Hello all,
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I plan to buy a pentium PCI mboard v. soon and I have scsi devices to use.
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I will need a board & scsi controller that will work with linux/dos/os2/nt.
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The NCR53c7/8xx range of pci controllers seems to be the best choice (?).
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Could you share some of your experience on the following:
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- Which is better/faster: on-board SCSI OR independent pci scsi board?
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Is the former much cheaper?
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- Which are the NCR chips available (53c7xx/53c8xx)? What are the
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differences? Which is better/faster?
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- Do all pci scsi boards have bios? Which are the versions to go for?
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- Do they support >1Gb disks for DOS? I have a 2.1Gb.
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- According to your opinion, what are the things to watch when buying a
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pci mboard and pci scsi?
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- Do you own a pci mainboard + scsi ?
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Which one(s)?
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Bios versions?
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Compatibility?
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Price?
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Please reply via personal email.
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I will summarise if I collect useful info.
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If someone HAS collected ifno like this I would like to share it.
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Thanks in advance,
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Angelo
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--
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#include <standard.disclaimer.h>
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Angelo Haritsis, Applied Systems Section
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s-mail: Dpt of Computing,Imperial College, 180 Queen's Gate, London SW7 2BZ, UK
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e-mail: ah@doc.ic.ac.uk - !!!NEW!!! tel:+44 71 594 8434 - fax:+44 71 589 7127
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From: spitzak@hollywood.cinenet.net (Bill Spitzak)
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Crossposted-To: comp.lang.c
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Subject: Re: Alpha Linux
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Date: 11 Sep 1994 01:00:34 -0700
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kjetilho@mnemosyne.uio.no (Kjetil Torgrim Homme) writes:
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>+--- Richard Coleman:
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>| I've always thought that C should have some way of letting you
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>| decided how many bytes to use for your computation.
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>I once saw someone on Usenet suggest this convention:
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> int8, int16, int32, ...:
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> Variables that should be exactly this size.
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> int8u, int16u, int32u, ...:
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> Variables that can be larger to increase speed. Many machines
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> would have a 32-bit int16u.
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>In addition, you'd want unsigned versions like "uint8" etc.
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I suggested that this be done with field notation:
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int:8 // use at least 8 bits
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int:8:8 // use exactly 8 bits
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int:8:32 // use somewhere between 8 and 32 bits
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Bill
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From: gelinas@CAM.ORG (Daniel Gelinas)
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Subject: Pointer to cyclades
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Date: 9 Sep 1994 12:21:57 -0400
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I keep on hearing of this Cyclades board. What is it exactly? How well is
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it tested under linux, and where can I get one?
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Just curios, I need a 16 port card and will have to go with a bocaboard
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if nothing else presents itself.
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Thanks.
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Daniel Gelinas
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gelinas@cam.org
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
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From: bentlema@cda.mrs.umn.edu (Mark A. Bentley )
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Subject: Re: 480x360 Res works for me.
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Date: Sun, 11 Sep 1994 19:59:20 GMT
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Mihail S. Iotov (iotov@cco.caltech.edu) wrote:
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: mooredan@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Daniel L Moore ) writes:
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: >DOOM runs fine, now to find solutions to the ctrl, alt - arrow keys
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: >combinations, (my window manager takes over), and getting the sound
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: >to work, probably need to upgrade my driver.
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: same here.
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Use twm while you play doom. The key-bindings don't conflict with the
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game like fvwm, or you can edit your .fvwmrc file to fix the problem.
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Otherwise your alt key will act like a toggle key and the ctrl-arrow
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will change the virtual screen. Not good...
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--
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[+]=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-[+]-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=[+]
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Mark Bentley A.K.A. Seeklore | bentlema@cda.mrs.umn.edu (DEC/Ultrix)
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University of Minnesota, Morris | bentlema@nxsci173a.mrs.umn.edu (NeXT)
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==========================================================================
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The Linux Rebellion is here! It is useless to resist us!
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[+]=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=[+]
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From: sobiloff@mail.lap.umd.edu (Blake Sobiloff)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
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Subject: Re: Status of Mac Linux & PPC Linux?
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Date: Sun, 11 Sep 1994 18:57:13 -0400
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In article <34j3i5$chc@bmerha64.bnr.ca>, Hamish.Macdonald@bnr.ca (Hamish
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Macdonald) wrote:
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> I haven't heard any progress reports about the Linux/68k port to the
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> Mac for a while. I understand that getting information about the
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> Macintosh hardware is difficult.
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No more difficult that tracking down information about Linux;
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ftp.support.apple.com has lots of information in /dts/mac/*, and you can
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always buy a copy of "d e v e l o p" for $10 and get a CD-ROM full of tech
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docs.
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--
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Blake Sobiloff <sobiloff@mail.lap.umd.edu> | University of Maryland
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Laboratory for Automation Psychology | College Park, MD 20742-4411
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Department of Psychology | 301/405-5936 (Voice)
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http://www.lap.umd.edu/LAPFolder/People/Sobiloff.html
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Crossposted-To: comp.lang.fortran
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From: maine@altair.dfrf.nasa.gov (Richard Maine)
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Subject: Re: Survey: who wants f77,cc,c++,hpf for linux?
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Date: Sun, 11 Sep 1994 23:13:34 GMT
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On 10 Sep 1994 19:00:37 GMT, sla@umbra.UCSC.EDU (Steve Allen) said:
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Steve> In article <34ssa9$fav@taco.cc.ncsu.edu>,
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Steve> Bill McKinney <mckinney@math.ncsu.edu> wrote:
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Bill> f2c/gcc works about 2/3 of the time for me. When it does work, I
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Bill> am not really sure about how efficient the code is, but it runs.
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Steve> I must admit to being a bit confused by Bill McKinney's remarks here,
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Steve> because I find that f2c does just fine with any Fortran code that
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Steve> conforms to the ANSI standard.
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Steve> When f2c does produce results which differ from commercial compilers,
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Steve> it has always been the case that there is some non-standard assumption
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Steve> being made by the code.
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I've got 100% f77 standard code that doesn't compile at all under f2c/gcc.
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And I don't mean gives different results - I mean doesn't compile.
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I don't have a sample handy at the moment; I don't do serious work
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with f2c/gcc, so I haven't spent much time on it - just enough to try
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out some of my favorite codes.
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Off the top of my head, the code that I recall giving f2c/gcc the most fits
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combined COMMON and EQUIVALENCE something like
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common /com/ a,b,c
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real x(3)
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equivalence (x(1),a)
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The object here was to allow variables to be used by their individual
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names (the real case had more pertinent names that a,b,c) in one set
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of routines, while another set of routines operated only on the vector
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as a whole. (I might not have recalled every detail correctly, but it
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was something close to this).
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One might question the style, but this is perfectly standard. And at
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least the copy of f2c/gcc that I had barfed badly on this. (Giving
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very confusing error messages out of the C compilation stage). I never
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figured out how to send in bug reports, so I just dropped it. But
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I was left with the impression that, while "ok" for some purposes,
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f2c was no competition with comercial products, at least for me.
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I've *never* seen *any* commercial compiler have any trouble with
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that construct.
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--
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--
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Richard Maine
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maine@altair.dfrf.nasa.gov
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
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From: bentlema@cda.mrs.umn.edu (Mark A. Bentley )
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Subject: Re: 480x360 Res works for me.
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Date: Sun, 11 Sep 1994 20:07:50 GMT
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Steve VanDevender (stevev@efn.org) wrote:
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: In article <34r3nd$ps1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> mooredan@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Daniel L Moore ) writes:
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: What I really miss is using the mouse. I switched to using the
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: mouse some time ago during a period when I was doing a lot of
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: intense deathmatch play, and while I have gotten a little better
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: at using the keyboard in the Linux version, I tried running the
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: DOS version again with the mouse and it was _so_ much easier to
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: do things. I just can't seem to find the right layout for the
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: key commands that lets me comfortably run, turn, strafe, and fire
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: all at the same time even half as well as I can with the
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: mouse/keyboard combination.
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I found a good key map for playing doom. Here is my .doomrc:
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mouse_sensitivity 5
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sfx_volume 8
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music_volume 8
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show_messages 1
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key_right 174
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key_left 172
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key_up 173
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key_down 175
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key_strafeleft 100
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key_straferight 102
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key_fire 157
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key_use 103
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key_strafe 115
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key_speed 32
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sndserver "sndserver"
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mb_used 2
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use_mouse 1
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mouseb_fire 0
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mouseb_strafe 1
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mouseb_forward 2
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use_joystick 0
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joyb_fire 0
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joyb_strafe 1
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joyb_use 3
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joyb_speed 2
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screenblocks 10
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detaillevel 0
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snd_channels 4
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usegamma 4
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chatmacro0 "No"
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chatmacro1 "I'm ready to kick butt!"
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chatmacro2 "I'm OK."
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chatmacro3 "I'm not looking too good!"
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chatmacro4 "Help!"
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chatmacro5 "You suck!"
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chatmacro6 "Next time, scumbag..."
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chatmacro7 "Come here!"
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chatmacro8 "I'll take care of it."
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chatmacro9 "Yes"
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d & f for strafe left or right
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s for strafe on (default is alt)
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space for running (Default is shift)
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g for opening doors and such. (default is space)
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ctrl fire (use your right hand's thumb. works nicely, you can fire
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while you strafe without getting your figers tied in knots.)
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arrows to turn left, right, move forward and backword
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I find this layout to give me very good play control...comprable to
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using the mouse. When I play doom for dos i use the mouse to turn
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left and right, and the arrows for moving forward and backword and a
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similar layout for strafeing and such. Anyone who uses the mouse to
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move forward and backward should be shot. bad bad bad... :-)
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Hope this helps...
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--
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[+]=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-[+]-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=[+]
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Mark Bentley A.K.A. Seeklore | bentlema@cda.mrs.umn.edu (DEC/Ultrix)
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University of Minnesota, Morris | bentlema@nxsci173a.mrs.umn.edu (NeXT)
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==========================================================================
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The Linux Rebellion is here! It is useless to resist us!
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[+]=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=[+]
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From: hugh@hugh.cosc.canterbury.ac.nz (Hugh Emberson)
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Subject: Re: Multiprocessing Pentium Systems
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Date: 11 Sep 1994 08:36:45 GMT
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>>>>> "David" == David Williams <dwwillia@mango.ucs.indiana.edu> writes:
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[chomp]
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David> Anybody have any thoughts about how hard it might be to make
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David> Linux one of the first OS's to take advantage of these systems?
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Judging by the number of threads on this subject, there seem to be a lot
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of people who have had the same idea.
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Everyone has been saying that doing a proper SMP kernel is hard. So I'm
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wondering why no one has said anything about doing it the easy/kludgey
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way, at least for the time being.
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The easy way is the way that SunOS 4.1.3 does it, or is rumoured to do
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it. Allegedly 4.1.3 has a single spin lock around the entire kernel, so
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that only one processor can be executing inside the kernel at any time.
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Would it be possible to do this with Linux?
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4.1.3 with its big spin lock seems to perform better than multithreaded
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Solaris 2.x on multiprocessor machines, though this is probably due to
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other problems with Slowaris.
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Disclaimer: The content of this message is based on unsubstantiated (sp?)
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net.rumour and an idea I had 5 minutes ago, believe it at your own risk
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Cheers,
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Hugh
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--
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Hugh Emberson | ... from the end of the Information
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hugh@cosc.canterbury.ac.nz | Super-four-wheel-drive-track.
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Subject: Re: Non-ANSI constructs in the kernel (was Re: Unicode...)
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From: dholland@husc7.harvard.edu (David Holland)
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Date: 9 Sep 94 17:28:56
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goer@quads.uchicago.edu's message of Wed, 7 Sep 1994 21:26:43 GMT said:
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> I think it will be a while before we all get used to thinking about pro-
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> gramming in a new light. Perhaps it is an advantage to have a system
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> that lacks a lot of baggage from the 70s....
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Surely you can't be talking about Linux here...
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--
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- David A. Holland | -- "Do you have a moment?" -- "Yes.
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dholland@husc.harvard.edu | Unfortunately, it's a moment of inertia."
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From: mpdillon@halcyon.com (Michael Dillon)
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Crossposted-To: news.software.b
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Subject: Re: News Spool File System - new filesystem type??
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Date: Sun, 11 Sep 1994 13:17:00 +0100
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> >> 1) eliminate/minimize directory traversal for article access
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> >> (opens?).
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> >
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> >If a program issues an open for comp/os/linux/development/22334 the file
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> >system is free to use an implementation that does not involve the
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> >normal UNIX directory tree traversal.
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>
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> As a friend of mine wisely noted recently, log file systems are almost
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> ideally designed for usenet news. Coincidentally, I recently came
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> across an old paper while cleaning out my office. Someone else may
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> have more contemporary references to share.
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>
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> "Beating the I/O Bottleneck: A Case for Log-Structured File Systems"
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> John Ousterhout and Fred Douglis
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> Tech Report No. UCB/CSD 88/467
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> October 1988
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> Computer Science Division (EECS)
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> University of California
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> Berkeley, CA 94720
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>
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> Undoubtedly, they probably have an FTP or WWW server for tech reports
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> by now. Track down the CS Tech Report FAQ for the location.
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And Linux has a User File System that will allow a user process to
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function as a file system. This makes it fairly easy to experiment
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with log-structured file systems and news spool file systems
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without requiring any kernel hacking. Do other OSes support
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a similar file system type?
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cruisin' down the information highway, lookin' for a blast
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breakin' all the speed limits as I come zoomin' past!
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--
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Michael Dillon Internet: mpdillon@halcyon.halcyon.com
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C-4 Powerhouse Fidonet: 1:353/350
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RR #2 Armstrong, BC V0E 1B0 Voice: +1-604-546-8022
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Canada BBS: +1-604-546-2705
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From: jean-paul@drasnia.it.com.au (Jean-Paul Chia)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.misc
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Subject: Linux T-Shirts. Get your order in NOW! :)
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Date: 11 Sep 1994 16:26:25 +0800
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Hello..
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I'm printing/selling the following T-Shirts..
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"Linux! Not UNIX!" T-Shirts are either, Black on White, Navy Blue on White,
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or White on Black, Long or Short Sleeved T-Shirts. "Linux! Not UNIX!" is
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written on the back of the shirt, and on the front left corner a neat litle
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"Linux." is printed.
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"Linux Inside" T-Shirts have the "Linux Inside" Logo, by Rick Lyons, printed
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on either Long or Short sleeved. White T-Shirts. I will only print a limited
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amount of these T-Shirts, so please get your order in now.
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"Linux.. The Choice of a GNU Generation" T-Shirts have the slogan printed in
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Black across the back of a Long or Short sleeved, white, T-Shirt. With
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"Linux." printed on the front.
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Please Complete and Email to: tshirt@drasnia.it.com.au
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or Fax to +61-9-447-4098 or if you have to.. Mail it to:
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Linux T-Shirts
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12 Guinevere Way
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Carine WA 6020
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Australia
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Linux! Not UNIX | | | | | | | |
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GNU Linux.. * | | | | | | | |
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* Linux: The choice of a GNU generation
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S/L = Short/Long Sleeves
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Postage within Australia and USA - Express (2-4 days) US$25 _________
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- Airmail (within 7 days) US$15 _________
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- Economy Air (7-10 days) US$7 _________
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- Sea Mail US$2 _________
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Postage outside USA and Australia - Express US$35 _________
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- Airmail US$18 _________
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For Credit Cards, I need your Name, Address, Phone number, and the Name of
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the on the card, the card type, the card number, and expiry date.
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If you wish to send a Cheque in US$, or a Money Order again in $US
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Dollars, then please make it out to: Jean-Paul Chia
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12 Guinevere Way,
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Carine Western Australia 6020,
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Australia
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I do not advise sending cash in the mail. Unless you _have_ to, then
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please don't, and I will not take any responsibility if the money is
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stolen by Australia Post, or the local Post man. :)
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Quantity discount for orders for more than 5 T-Shirts, US$2 off the price
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of every T-Shirt.
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Visa Card Details (Please mail to tshirt@drasnia.it.com.au),
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* All Orders shipped OVERSEAS require pre-payment
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Thank you.
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- JP
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Jean-Paul Chia TheWiz @ IRC
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Drasnian Technologies, Perth, Western Australia
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PH +61-9-447-6261 FAX +61-9-447-4098
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jean-paul@drasnia.it.com.au, jpchia@iinet.com.au
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Jean-Paul Chia TheWiz @ IRC
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Drasnian Technologies, Perth, Western Australia
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PH +61-9-447-6261 FAX +61-9-447-4098
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jean-paul@drasnia.it.com.au, jpchia@iinet.com.au
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tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux
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sunsite.unc.edu pub/Linux
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