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From: Digestifier <Linux-Development-Request@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu>
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To: Linux-Development@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Reply-To: Linux-Development@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Date: Thu, 15 Sep 94 00:13:17 EDT
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Subject: Linux-Development Digest #175
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Linux-Development Digest #175, Volume #2 Thu, 15 Sep 94 00:13:17 EDT
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Contents:
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Re: Alpha Linux (Eelco H. Essenberg)
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Re: [Q] on Linux/MIPS port (Andreas Busse)
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Re: Don't use Linux?! (James Lewis Nance)
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Re: Don't use Linux?! (Corey Brenner)
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Re: Partitioning Question (Jay Schlieske)
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Re: Developing Distributed Filesystems for Linux? (Daniel Tauber)
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Re: Survey: who wants f77,cc,c++,hpf for linux? (Alexandra Griffin)
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Re: Multiprocessing Pentium Systems (Don Waugaman)
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Linux v1.0 SMAIL problem (Sean Williams)
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Re: Alpha Linux (Shannon Hendrix)
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Re: Alpha Linux (Larry Pyeatt)
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Re: A thought to improve security (Pete Chown)
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ingres compiling under AIX ("Neil S. Russell")
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From: essenber@dutiws.twi.tudelft.nl (Eelco H. Essenberg)
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Subject: Re: Alpha Linux
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Date: Tue, 13 Sep 1994 19:54:04 GMT
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In article <CHRISB.94Sep12113753@wombat.cssc-syd.tansu.com.au>,
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Chris Bitmead <chrisb@wombat.cssc-syd.tansu.com.au> wrote:
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>In article <DHOLLAND.94Sep8170917@husc7.harvard.edu> dholland@husc7.harvard.edu (David Holland) writes:
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>
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>>adc@bach.coe.neu.edu's message of 06 Sep 1994 16:38:15 GMT said:
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>>
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[type representations in C deleted]
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>
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>None of these is the best solution. The best solution is to say exactly
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>what you mean. E.g. If you want to store numbers between -500 and +1000
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>you should declare this and let the compiler work out how many bits to
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>use. e.g. int{-500,1000} foo; int{0,65535} bar;
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I don't want to start any language feuds here, but of course there is a
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language that already allows you to do exactly this: it's called ADA.
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The notation is a little different, but basically you can tell it what
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range (and what precision!) you want for a certain type, and it will figure
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out how to handle that according to your platform. Of course if you specify
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something your platform is unable to handle the compiler will spit at you :-)
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>Naturally you could use typedef's for common ranges. This has the added
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>benefit of not assuming that the computer is binary, assuming one day
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>someone invents a non-binary computer.
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>In any case stating what you *really* want to do and letting the compiler
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>decide on the optimum number of bits has to be the best.
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>
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Exactly what Ada's predefined types are. As a sideline: ternary computers
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have been tried if my memory is correct, but it seems they weren't too hot
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or very practical...
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Regards,
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Eelco.
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--
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==========================< Eelco Essenberg >===============================
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E.Essenberg@TWI.TUDelft.NL ftp@ftp.twi.tudelft.nl
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FTP Manager: ftp.twi.tudelft.nl
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<a href=http://www.twi.tudelft.nl/People/E.Essenberg.html>Click me!</a>
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From: andy@resi.waldorf-gmbh.de (Andreas Busse)
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Subject: Re: [Q] on Linux/MIPS port
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Date: 14 Sep 1994 08:05:42 GMT
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In article <EiRFuTK00iV9MBTllR@andrew.cmu.edu>, "Christopher M. Hanson" <ch4s+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
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|> In talking about Linux on MIPS...
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|>
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|> Why not look into porting Linux-on-Mach... After all, CMU has a freely-
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|> available port of Mach to the DECstations. Just look on ftp.cs.cmu.edu
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|> in project/mach or some such.
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|>
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|> TTFN,
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|> Chris
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|>
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|> Chris Hanson, KSC * ^^ * ^ The Apple engineer "unknown"
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|> <ch4s+@andrew.cmu.edu> * I | | TOXIC * /!\ has unexpectedly quit.
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|> <cmh@cs.cmu.edu> * \/ WASTE * --- [Who cares] [[Do nothing]]
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|>
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Sure, why not. Who's willing to work on Linux/MIPS for DECs ?
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Just mail me -- perhaps you all can do it together !
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Andy
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===============================================================================
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Waldorf Electronics GmbH | Phone: +49 (0)2636-80294
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R&D Department | Fax: +49 (0)2636-80188
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Neustrasse 9-12, 53498 Waldorf, Germany | email: andy@waldorf-gmbh.de
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From: jlnance@eos.ncsu.edu (James Lewis Nance)
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Subject: Re: Don't use Linux?!
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Date: 13 Sep 1994 22:10:58 GMT
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Reply-To: jlnance@eos.ncsu.edu (James Lewis Nance)
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> persuaded that there is a shareware market for Linux machines.
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> Personally, I'd love to have "As Easy As 1-2-3" ported to Linux. Anybody
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> know any shareware spreadsheet developers ?
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>
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I have an X11 spread sheet that will read 1-2-3 files. The author gave it to me
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to release under Linux, but I never finished it. It is quite capable, but
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it does not do plots, and it is only black and white. It is quite fast
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though. I was in the process of interfacing it with gnuplot when I ran out
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of time. If anyone want the source code to develop it, send me some mail.
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Please note that I have to get permission from the original author before
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I do this, so unless you are serious about working on it, I would rather
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not bother him.
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Jim
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jlnance@firewall.isscad.com
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From: brennerc@saucer.cc.umr.edu (Corey Brenner)
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Subject: Re: Don't use Linux?!
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Date: Tue, 13 Sep 1994 17:28:27 GMT
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Michael Dillon (mpdillon@halcyon.com) wrote:
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: > >: Okay. Before you start sending me endless flames, I want to make sure
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: > >: that you know that I *love* Linux. It's probably the best PC Un*x you
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: > >
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: > > That's pretty funny, since Maple V Release 3 has just been ported to Linux.
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: > He is _perfectly_ right! There a thousands of programs. Maple is _just_
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: > one of them ...
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: Maple is a good example because it is not THE top selling product in
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: it's field. The Flagship dBase clone is another good example. Companies
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: like Lotus and Wordperfect are too tied to DOS/Windows to be interested
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: in porting their products to Linux.
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: But there are OTHER commercial spreadsheets and word processors out
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: there, some of them already ported to other UNIX's, that might
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: have less of an investment in DOS/Windows that they would be
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: willing to take a chance on a Linux port.
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: Can you imagine somebody selling a 486 with preinstalled Linux, X Windows,
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: spreadsheet, word processor, etc... just like they do now with
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: AST and Dell systems.
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: cruisin' down the information highway, lookin' for a blast
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: breakin' all the speed limits as I come zoomin' past!
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: --
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: Michael Dillon Internet: mpdillon@halcyon.halcyon.com
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: C-4 Powerhouse Fidonet: 1:353/350
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: RR #2 Armstrong, BC V0E 1B0 Voice: +1-604-546-8022
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: Canada BBS: +1-604-546-2705
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There was a GREAT OO spreadsheet developed originally for NeXT that was then
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taken over by Lotus (I think) that would be a great product for Linux/X.
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I forget the name of the product, though... (Intuit? Something like that?).
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If we could get that particular product for linux, the spreadsheet problem
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would be done for... :)
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Corey Brenner
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From: Jay Schlieske <schliesk@sos.net>
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.liinux.help,comp.os.linux.misc
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Subject: Re: Partitioning Question
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Date: Wed, 14 Sep 1994 08:09:54 -0400 (EDT)
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Reply-To: Jay Schlieske <schliesk@sos.sos.net>
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On 12 Sep 1994, David J Topper wrote:
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> So once I set my partitions (say 250 for Linux and 270 for DOS) using FIPS
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> or FDISK - is there a way to resize the Linux partition? I mean, is there a
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> way other than backing up all the data on the Linux partition, deleting that
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> partition, then resizing the DOS partition, then remounting the Linux partition,
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> then restoring the data on it.
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Hi all !
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I would be interested in replies to this question, being that I had to
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give up approx 35 MB of my 545 MB drive, due to non standard translations
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done by my IDE accellerator, when heads go over 1024. ( I was time
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limited when transferring my linux files off of my 345 ) I have since
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learned I can work around this with the new kernel I have, (1.1.45) since
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it queries the drive directly.
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>
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> I've downloaded quite a bit of stuff for installing Linux. I don't remember
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> exactly, but I think it was all the a,ap,x,xd,xv and a few other disks (all the
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> gnu stuff too). All tolled, I think I've got about 40+. The HOWTO says a
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> ROUGH estimate is about 2.5 megs per disk. I'm just not sure how much to
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> allocate for this thing. 250 seems fine but I would love to get away with 200
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> so DOS would have more room to breathe.
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>
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> Thanks,
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>
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> DT
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>
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I had almost everything on a 105 MB partition for a few months, till I
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replaced my second drive. I found that when I gave it 200 + 16 swap,
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I had lots to spare *but* it's quickly filling up, as I'm adding new
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stuff to it. (wine, dosemu, TeX). I think it depends on how you want
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to use it. The stuff available for linux seems endless.
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Yggdrassil has a plug'n'play cd and slackware has a cd version also,
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where I hear you can run some of the less frequently used binaries
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from, ( also hear it's slower ).
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I'd say you can more than get away with 200 MB (a least for a few
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months)
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Hope this helps.
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- Jay o
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Jay Schlieske <#< " Above all.... have fun. "
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+*+ Credits: smartmail __>^>__ by * Linux-Pine3.90-Smail-Term201-PoP +*+
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From: dat@netcom.com (Daniel Tauber)
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Subject: Re: Developing Distributed Filesystems for Linux?
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Date: Tue, 13 Sep 1994 17:26:31 GMT
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I'd like to see a ftp based file system for Linux. What I have in mind will
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allow you to mount devices like
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mount -t ftpfs myaccount:mypassword@somemachine.edu/path mnt
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and the directory specified by path on the remote machine will appear at the
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mount point. I know it will not be the fastest distributed file system, but
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it will work with existing machines.
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I've heard that someone wrote a similar file system for NextStep. Anyone
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have any comments?
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From: acg@kzin.cen.ufl.edu (Alexandra Griffin)
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Subject: Re: Survey: who wants f77,cc,c++,hpf for linux?
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Date: 14 Sep 1994 23:08:09 GMT
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In article <tgmCw30Jq.CEC@netcom.com>,
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Thomas G. McWilliams <tgm@netcom.com> wrote:
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>
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>It should be noted that GCC 1.42 is still maintained. GCC 1.42
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>produces smaller executables and compiles code faster than GCC 2.x.
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>The last version of GCC 1.x which I used under Linux was 1.39.
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>It might be interesting to compare GCC 1.42 with GCC 2.5.8 under
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>Linux.
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Interesting... what exactly was added to gcc in the 1.x.x to 2.x.x
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transistion that caused so much performance loss? What types of
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programs will *NOT* compile under gcc 1? And is it that (at least in
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my experience) gcc 1 is so rarely mentioned or used?
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Curious,
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-- alex
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From: dpw@cs.arizona.edu (Don Waugaman)
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Subject: Re: Multiprocessing Pentium Systems
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Date: 13 Sep 1994 18:08:50 GMT
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In article <HUGH.94Sep13121506@hugh.cosc.canterbury.ac.nz>, hugh@hugh.cosc.canterbury.ac.nz (Hugh Emberson) writes:
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|> >>>>> "Scott" == Scott Lawrence Lynn <slynn@pyramid.com> writes:
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|>
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|> Scott> In article <HUGH.94Sep11203646@hugh.cosc.canterbury.ac.nz>,
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|> Scott> Hugh Emberson <hugh@hugh.cosc.canterbury.ac.nz> wrote:
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|>
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|> Scott> I've never looked at the SunOS 4.x.x kernel, but I can't
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|> Scott> imagine that it was done this way. Spinlocks have timeouts on
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|> Scott> them, and you could easily have a CPU wait for much too long
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|> Scott> due to the inherent possibility of starvation that comes with a
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|> Scott> spinlock.
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|>
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|> I hesitate to disagree with someone from Pyramid on something like
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|> this ... but I just spoke with our local SunOS expert and he says that
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|> there is a single mutex around the entire kernel in 4.1.3.
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A mutex is not necessarily the same thing as a spinlock. Spinlocks typically
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involve busywaiting - tying up the CPU that is spinning on the lock for an
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(often prolonged) period of time. This is why spinlocks are typically used
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for situations where the lock will be held for a short period of time.
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A mutex, on the other hand, guarantees mutual exclusion by placing threads
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waiting on the lock on a queue, then starting another thread that is ready
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to run. Thus, useful work can be done rather than having the thread waiting
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on the lock taking up useless CPU (and bus) cycles by spinning.
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I would guess that Sun used a mutex (as you said) and not a spinlock (as
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Scott said).
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--
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- Don Waugaman (dpw@cs.arizona.edu) _|_ Will pun
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In the Sonoran Desert, home of the phrase "It's a dry heat..." | for food
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I hereby claim the standard disclaimer. | <><
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I'm not a complete idiot, some parts are missing!
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From: swilli@corp.cssi.net (Sean Williams)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.prog,dc.org.linux-users
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Subject: Linux v1.0 SMAIL problem
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Date: 13 Sep 1994 18:23:50 GMT
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I have installed Linux v1.0 Slackware release for 24hr SLIP access
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into ClarkNet and SMTP for my Novell 3.11 LAN. Everything works
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great except some mail that is sent out through SMTP causes a
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uucp_neighbors error. I know there is a missing file called
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/usr/lib/smail/routers that will correct this with the right config
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in it. The error is :
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Xdefer: <address> reason: <ERR_127> router uucp_neighbors :
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command '/usr/bin/uuname' returned exit status EX_32256
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I know calling uuname is a bug in SMAIL and a routers file will fix
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this but I don't know wht to put in it.
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What do I need to put in /usr/lib/smail/routers to get these messages
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delivered? Thanks for the help.
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* Sean Williams (14% CNE) | swilli@corp.cssi.net *
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* Corporate Information Systems Administrator | *
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* Communications & Systems Specialists, Inc. | phone: (410)290-9500 *
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* Columbia MD, 21046 | fax : (410)290-7012 *
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From: shendrix@escape.widomaker.com (Shannon Hendrix)
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Subject: Re: Alpha Linux
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Date: Tue, 13 Sep 1994 02:34:08 GMT
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nick@lepton.demon.co.uk (N J Plant) writes:
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>On the 68000 the external address bus is 20 bits and the external data bus
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The 68000 has a 24-bit address bus. 20 bits is only 1mb RAM. 24-bits is
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16mb RAM which is the 68000's limit I think. I know the Atari ST's
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could put more than 20 bits on the address lines.
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Also, the external data bus was 16-bits.
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What I do a lot in my C code to avoid bit size problems is define
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variables as int8, int16, int32, and int64. These are typedef's in
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a machine dependent header file.
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Of course, I only do this when I absolutely have to. I try to write
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code where the range doesn't matter or will fit within 32-bits (I
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don't worry about supporting 16-bit OS's much).
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It may be flawed but it has saved me a lot of headache in some projects.
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>Nick
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>--
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>N J Plant
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--
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csh
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shendrix@escape.widomaker.com | Linux and BSD
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From: pyeatt@CS.ColoState.EDU (Larry Pyeatt)
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Subject: Re: Alpha Linux
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Date: 14 Sep 1994 15:57:59 GMT
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In article <Cw4DEq.KqC@news.cern.ch>, danpop@cernapo.cern.ch (Dan Pop) writes:
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|> In <Cw33A5.EFB@dutiws.twi.tudelft.nl> essenber@dutiws.twi.tudelft.nl (Eelco H. Essenberg) writes:
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|>
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|> >In article <CHRISB.94Sep12113753@wombat.cssc-syd.tansu.com.au>,
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|> >Chris Bitmead <chrisb@wombat.cssc-syd.tansu.com.au> wrote:
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|> >>
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|> >>None of these is the best solution. The best solution is to say exactly
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|> >>what you mean. E.g. If you want to store numbers between -500 and +1000
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|> >>you should declare this and let the compiler work out how many bits to
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|> >>use. e.g. int{-500,1000} foo; int{0,65535} bar;
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|> >
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|> >I don't want to start any language feuds here, but of course there is a
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|> >language that already allows you to do exactly this: it's called ADA.
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|> >The notation is a little different, but basically you can tell it what
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|> >range (and what precision!) you want for a certain type, and it will figure
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|> >out how to handle that according to your platform. Of course if you specify
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|> >something your platform is unable to handle the compiler will spit at you :-)
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|>
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|> Another language that can do exactly the same thing is Fortran (in its
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|> latest incarnation: F90).
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Has everyone forgotten about PL/1? It also allowed specification
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in that manner. One of the only really nice features of PL/1.
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--
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Larry D. Pyeatt All standard disclaimers apply.
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pyeatt@cs.colostate.edu Void where prohibited.
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From: pc@dale.dircon.co.uk (Pete Chown)
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Subject: Re: A thought to improve security
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Date: Wed, 14 Sep 1994 17:58:15 GMT
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In article <Cvty8x.1uv@sunsrvr6.cci.com> cdw@cci.com (Craig Woodward) writes:
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> In article <34jvth$ovl@nic.wi.leidenuniv.nl>, J.A.vanderMost <jvdmost@hupnos.wi.leidenuniv.nl> wrote:
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> > Some programs in a Unix system have to be SUID root to do the things they
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> > do. Like /bin/passwd /bin/login /usr/bin/lp /user/bin/at etc. are all
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> > SUID root.
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> >
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> > [ Stuff about more restricted forms of root removed ]
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>
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> Agreed, thats why most run SGID on my system. I give then GROUP
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> access to things. lp runs as group lpdev, mtools runs as user/group disk.
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> The big thing with Unix (and Linux) is that you CAN give things partial
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> permissions, or ALL of them if you want.
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Yes, by thinking about what something is suid or sgid to, you can get
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round this particular problem. But having said that, the Unix
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security mechanisms in general are probably the worst of any major OS.
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We need to think about how we can do better. I was looking forward to
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the debate, and I was rather disappointed when people just flamed the
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original poster without making any other suggestion.
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Here are a couple of my thoughts:
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* Having a single user root is unhelpful. Suppose you have three
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sysadmins; the logs will not distinguish between them if they all log
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on as the same thing in order to maintain the system. What if you
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have someone who is basically an ordinary user, but has a daemon that
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needs to listen on a port below 1024?
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The solution to this is to assign privileges to particular users, in
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the way that VMS does. So one privilege would allow listening on
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ports below 1024, while others would allow file protection to be
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overriden. This scheme could be integrated into the Unix scheme of
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things by making membership of particular groups confer special
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rights.
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* The granularity of access control is too coarse. Controlling access
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on a group level is often inconvenient (and is insufficient for C2
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approval under the orange book). Access control lists have been
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implemented for many Unixes - I wrote the 386BSD implementation. I
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would be happy to do the same for Linux, if we can arrive at a
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consensus on what the API ought to be.
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--
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Pete.Chown@dale.dircon.co.uk "The Pen is mightier than the Quill"
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-- anonymous
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From: neilr@nacro.demon.co.uk ("Neil S. Russell")
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Subject: ingres compiling under AIX
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Reply-To: neilr@nacro.demon.co.uk
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Date: Tue, 13 Sep 1994 14:57:37 +0000
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Probly the wrong place to ask but i will, mainly cause i cant think of where
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else to ask. Has anyone compiled the ingres package found with the slackware
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disks under AIX ( on an RS6000, here ). Im tried but i keep getting core dumps.
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I've been using linux for about 6 months and have got it linked with two
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RS6000's running aix. I'd like to run ingres directly on the RS rather than
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over telnet sessions. Any pointers as to where to go looking if this is not
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the place ask ??
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|\|eil..
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Neil S. Russell
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