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From: Digestifier <Linux-Development-Request@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu>
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To: Linux-Development@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Reply-To: Linux-Development@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Date: Fri, 16 Sep 94 01:13:09 EDT
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Subject: Linux-Development Digest #180
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Linux-Development Digest #180, Volume #2 Fri, 16 Sep 94 01:13:09 EDT
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Contents:
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Re: Alpha Linux (Timothy J. Kordas)
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Re: Why I cannot mount a PhotoCD on Mitsumi ? (Jeff Tranter)
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Cirrus 6440 chip (Steven Carter)
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Re: Survey: who wants f77,cc,c++,hpf for linux? (Dan Pop)
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Re: VHDL for Linux...? (Don Hiatt)
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Re: /proc/mtab progress (Stephen F. Rothwell)
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Re: DOSEMU and mount msdos conv=auto AUTOEXEC.BAT problem (Rob Janssen)
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Re: IR remote control for CD?? (Rob Janssen)
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Re: Developing Distributed Filesystems for Linux? (Rob Janssen)
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Re: Login USERID length bug? (Rob Janssen)
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Re: Login USERID length bug? (Rob Janssen)
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Re: inb(),outb()--help? (Rob Janssen)
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Re: Don't use Linux?! (ACC Corp.)
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Re: IP encapsulated in IPX can linux extract IP (R.H. Hall)
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Re: need developer! (jbarrett@onramp.net)
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From: tjk@nostromo.eeap.cwru.edu (Timothy J. Kordas)
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Subject: Re: Alpha Linux
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Date: 14 Sep 1994 18:28:38 GMT
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Eelco H. Essenberg (essenber@dutiws.twi.tudelft.nl) wrote:
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: I don't want to start any language feuds here, but of course there is a
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: language that already allows you to do exactly this: it's called ADA.
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: The notation is a little different, but basically you can tell it what
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: range (and what precision!) you want for a certain type, and it will figure
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: out how to handle that according to your platform. Of course if you specify
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: something your platform is unable to handle the compiler will spit at you :-)
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no feud here...but *YOU* get to be the one to rewrite the kernel in ADA...
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-Tim
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--
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Timothy J. Kordas | tjk@nostromo.eeap.cwru.edu
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Electrical Engineering and Applied Physics |
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Case Western Reserve University | PGP public key available
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Cleveland, Ohio 44106 | via finger
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From: tranter@Software.Mitel.COM (Jeff Tranter)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
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Subject: Re: Why I cannot mount a PhotoCD on Mitsumi ?
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Date: 14 Sep 1994 15:52:22 -0400
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In article <34to9k$dit@rutcor.rutgers.edu> badics@rutcor.rutgers.edu (Tamas Badics) writes:
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>
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>OK, it is all nice to know, but how can I read a PhotoCD on a Mitsumi drive?
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>(My MS-DOS driver can read them without problems.)
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Currently under Linux only the Panasonic/SoundBlaster kernel driver
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supports PhotoCD. Someone needs to enhance the kernel driver for
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Mitsumi.
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--
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Jeff Tranter Jeff_Tranter@Mitel.COM
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Software Technology, Mitel Corporation
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From: scarter@calvin.gtlug.org (Steven Carter)
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Subject: Cirrus 6440 chip
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Date: 14 Sep 1994 03:09:45 GMT
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Are there any plans to support the cirrus 6440 VGA chip in any upcoming
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SVGA servers in XF86?
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--
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---
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Steven M. Carter
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scarter@gtlug.org
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Golden Triangle Linux Users Group
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Crossposted-To: comp.lang.fortran
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From: danpop@cernapo.cern.ch (Dan Pop)
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Subject: Re: Survey: who wants f77,cc,c++,hpf for linux?
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Date: Thu, 15 Sep 1994 22:48:34 GMT
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In <35aa17$ha@tnt.craycos.com> jrbd@craycos.com (James Davies) writes:
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>In article <Cw4Lqr.M0H@info.swan.ac.uk> iialan@iifeak.swan.ac.uk (Alan Cox) writes:
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>:
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>:You don't do anything so daft as to include OS calls in a benchmark. You are
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>:trying to test the compiler not the OS. You also unplug the network and
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>:serial ports so you don't have streams of (eg mouse) interrupts disturbing
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>:the raw code throughput.
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>
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>Did you somehow disable the timer interrupts that occur every 1/18th second?
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>And do these have to do processor mode switching?
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Could you predict how many tenths of a second will the DOS extenders
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spend dealing with timer interrupts during one second? Remember: during
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one second they have to handle _18_ timer interrupts. Get a clue.
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Dan
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--
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Dan Pop
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CERN, CN Division
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Email: danpop@cernapo.cern.ch
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Mail: CERN - PPE, Bat. 31 R-004, CH-1211 Geneve 23, Switzerland
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From: hiattd@MCS.COM (Don Hiatt)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.lsi.cad,comp.lang.vhdl
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Subject: Re: VHDL for Linux...?
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Date: 13 Sep 1994 22:13:36 -0500
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ADA (ada@nic.cerf.net) wrote:
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: I have been playing (or trying to play) with both magic and ocean. I
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: was wondering if there are any free VHDL simulators available or being
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: worked on for Linux. If so, what about synthesis tools?
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Yes there is. Get the Alliance-2.0 package. You can ftp the source
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from: ftp.ibp.fr
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You will find it in /ibp/softs/masi/alliance
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Alliance is aimed at VLSI synthesis but if that is not your goal
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you can still use the VHDL simulator.. BTW, it is a great package.
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don
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: While I'm on the subject, and I know this isn't the proper group but I
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: know there are a lot of hardware weenies out there like me, is there
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: an emacs major mode for VHDL floating around?
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I would like to know this :)
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From: sfr@pdact.pd.necisa.oz.au (Stephen F. Rothwell)
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Subject: Re: /proc/mtab progress
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Date: Thu, 15 Sep 1994 04:20:30 GMT
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davj@ds5000.irb.hr (Davor Jadrijevic) writes:
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>: Somebody else is working ona directory /proc/mtab, with subdirectories for
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>: each mount point. Much nicer since you can get the path by chdir()/getpwd().
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>True, it's Stephen Rothwell <sfr@pdact.pd.necisa.oz.au>. CDrom people prefer
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Just a small point, its not me :-)
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I am (sometime) working on a complete rewrite of the proc file system
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to make it on-the-fly extensible so that (for example) a loaded module
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can create nodes in there.
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I don't know who is working on /proc/mtab ...
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Cheers,
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Stephen
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=======
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Stephen Rothwell sfr@pdact.pd.necisa.oz.au
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NEC Information Systems Australia Phone: +61-6-2508747
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Software Development Centre, Canberra, Australia Fax: +61-6-2508746
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From: rob@pe1chl.ampr.org (Rob Janssen)
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Subject: Re: DOSEMU and mount msdos conv=auto AUTOEXEC.BAT problem
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Reply-To: pe1chl@rabo.nl
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Date: Wed, 14 Sep 1994 22:20:49 GMT
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In <STEFAN.94Sep13145431@pippi.tu-bs.de> stefan@pippi.tu-bs.de (Stefan Markgraf) writes:
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>Hi there!
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>There are problems with DOSEMU when using a mounted MS-DOS partition
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>with the conv=auto flag (conversation CRLF<->LF on ascii files)
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>turned on.
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>command.com reads the AUTOEXEC.BAT with removed CR and gets confused.
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>Is there a possibility to make dosemu telling the filesystem-driver
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>not to convert the data?
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>Of course, remounting the msdos-partition without conv=binary is the
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>simplest solution for this problem, but then you have the strange
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>^M (CR) characters when editing MS-DOS-files from the LinuX-system.
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I think conv=auto is completely useless for any continuous use, especially
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the way it is implemented now... (some recognized extensions are treated
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as binary and the rest is assumed to be text... should have been the other
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way around!)
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It may be useful when you read a file from a floppy or so, but when you
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want to mount a harddisk partition I think it is best to use conv=binary
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and live with the ^M...
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DOSEMU accesses the filesystem just like any other process. It is not
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good to have it communicate more directly, as that would fail e.g. when
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using it over a network.
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(I use DOSEMU to access a disk via NFS that is a mounted DOS partition
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on another machine. DOSEMU cannot control the DOS filesystem at the
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other end!)
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Rob
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--
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=========================================================================
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| Rob Janssen | AMPRnet: rob@pe1chl.ampr.org |
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| e-mail: pe1chl@rabo.nl | AX.25 BBS: PE1CHL@PI8UTR.#UTR.NLD.EU |
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From: rob@pe1chl.ampr.org (Rob Janssen)
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Subject: Re: IR remote control for CD??
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Reply-To: pe1chl@rabo.nl
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Date: Wed, 14 Sep 1994 22:27:18 GMT
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In <354ger$52m@alijku06.edvz.uni-linz.ac.at> k3076e5@cxmeta.edvz.uni-linz.ac.at (Humenberger Edmund) writes:
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>Is there any hardware that my linux box can
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>understand my standard cd player remote control?
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The RC-5 remote control sequences used by Philips (and related makes)
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equipment are quite well documented, and not difficult to generate
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with a computer.
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Other makes can be more tricky, as info about the remote control is
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often difficult to get. The method used by "universal remotes" to
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handle this situation is to "record" a transmission by the original
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remote control, and play that back.
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I think some circuits for doing such things have been published in
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various electronics magazines... (e.g. "Elektor"?)
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Rob
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--
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=========================================================================
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| Rob Janssen | AMPRnet: rob@pe1chl.ampr.org |
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| e-mail: pe1chl@rabo.nl | AX.25 BBS: PE1CHL@PI8UTR.#UTR.NLD.EU |
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Crossposted-To: alt.filesystems.afs
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From: rob@pe1chl.ampr.org (Rob Janssen)
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Subject: Re: Developing Distributed Filesystems for Linux?
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Reply-To: pe1chl@rabo.nl
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Date: Wed, 14 Sep 1994 22:31:20 GMT
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In <datCw2wG8.1s3@netcom.com> dat@netcom.com (Daniel Tauber) writes:
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>I'd like to see a ftp based file system for Linux. What I have in mind will
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>allow you to mount devices like
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>mount -t ftpfs myaccount:mypassword@somemachine.edu/path mnt
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>and the directory specified by path on the remote machine will appear at the
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>mount point. I know it will not be the fastest distributed file system, but
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>it will work with existing machines.
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>I've heard that someone wrote a similar file system for NextStep. Anyone
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>have any comments?
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Get the "userfs" package.
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Rob
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--
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=========================================================================
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| Rob Janssen | AMPRnet: rob@pe1chl.ampr.org |
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| e-mail: pe1chl@rabo.nl | AX.25 BBS: PE1CHL@PI8UTR.#UTR.NLD.EU |
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From: rob@pe1chl.ampr.org (Rob Janssen)
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Subject: Re: Login USERID length bug?
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Reply-To: pe1chl@rabo.nl
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Date: Wed, 14 Sep 1994 22:35:50 GMT
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In <354vc4$8kp@cmcl2.NYU.EDU> brian@xp.psych.nyu.edu (Brian Watts) writes:
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>It seems that people are missing the point with respect to
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>this... i.e. That it works *inconsistently*. Anything that works
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>inconsistently is a bug imho. I have pinned down the
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>inconsistency exactly -- if you type : login longusername
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>it will WORK -- i.e. when the parameter is passed to login, it
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>does NOT truncate the name -- however, when you type:
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>login <Enter>
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>login: longusername
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>the longusername is truncated to longuser. This HAS to be a bug
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>because it is inconsistent.
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I agree that is not good. But you won't have this problem
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when you limit your userids to 8 characters.
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>With respect to the argument that 8 characters is enough for a
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>user id, this sounds very much like what people were saying 10
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>years ago: "why would you need a file name > 8 characters in
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>length". With respect to the argument that userids > 8
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>characters mess up your nicely tabbed 'ls's -- why don't we
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>then be consistent and restrict all file names to 8 characters
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>mmm? do I hear anyone say that that sounds like MSDOS??
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I don't think "8 characters is enough", but it is the practical
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limit right now. The decision to do it like this was probably
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made more than 20 years ago...
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Note that the filename is the rightmost column in "ls -l" and is
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therefore not so badly affected by this problem.
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Rob
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--
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=========================================================================
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| Rob Janssen | AMPRnet: rob@pe1chl.ampr.org |
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| e-mail: pe1chl@rabo.nl | AX.25 BBS: PE1CHL@PI8UTR.#UTR.NLD.EU |
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From: rob@pe1chl.ampr.org (Rob Janssen)
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Subject: Re: Login USERID length bug?
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Reply-To: pe1chl@rabo.nl
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Date: Wed, 14 Sep 1994 22:37:37 GMT
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In <354vu4$e53@cmcl2.NYU.EDU> brian@xp.psych.nyu.edu (Brian Watts) writes:
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>BTW, a point I forgot to mention -- with regard ls -l... try it and you
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>will see that long userids are trunacted at 8 characters, so the
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>display is not screwed up.
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Depends on what you call "screwed up"... When you have multiple userids
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that are unique only after the 8th character they are truncated to the
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same id, which I would think is "screwed up"...
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>Another point... what about the 'postmaster' ID -- should that
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>also be disallowed? and is it ridiculous to have such a long ID?
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"postmaster" is normally not a user-id on a UNIX system, but is aliased
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to the ID of some administrator, like "root" or "mail".
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Rob
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--
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=========================================================================
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| Rob Janssen | AMPRnet: rob@pe1chl.ampr.org |
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| e-mail: pe1chl@rabo.nl | AX.25 BBS: PE1CHL@PI8UTR.#UTR.NLD.EU |
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From: rob@pe1chl.ampr.org (Rob Janssen)
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Subject: Re: inb(),outb()--help?
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Reply-To: pe1chl@rabo.nl
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Date: Wed, 14 Sep 1994 22:51:37 GMT
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In <slarsen.779548988@gonix> slarsen@gonix.com (Steve Larsen) writes:
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>Hi:
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> I would like to write a modem diagnostic program for Linux of the sort
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>I used to write for DOS in assembler. But I don't want to write in assembler.
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>I want to use C, and am admittedly no wiz. Anyway, I 'ioperm' the correct
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>ports, then go to use inb(), and get the "undefined reference to __inb_p()"
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>message, or something to that affect, so I know it's tracing it back to
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>asm/io.h. Am I leaving out an include file, or do I have to fill out the
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>port call w/some sort of define? A one or 2 line example of code would
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>be greatly appreciated!
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> Thanks for yer time.
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You have to compile with optimization ("-O2") to be able to use the
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I/O macros from <asm/io.h>... May sound funny, but it is true :-)
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Rob
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--
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=========================================================================
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| Rob Janssen | AMPRnet: rob@pe1chl.ampr.org |
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| e-mail: pe1chl@rabo.nl | AX.25 BBS: PE1CHL@PI8UTR.#UTR.NLD.EU |
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From: info@acc-corp.com (ACC Corp.)
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Subject: Re: Don't use Linux?!
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Date: Wed, 14 Sep 1994 03:00:22 GMT
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In Article <34pq45INNojt@sbusol.rz.uni-sb.de>, hightec@sbusol.rz.uni-sb.de
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(Michael Schumacher) wrote:
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>4. I'm the author of tgdb,
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> a graphical user interface for gdb. I like the idea of free software,
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> not even a *single* person has paid the nominal shareware
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> fee of US$30!
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We resell a bunch of Linux CD's. None have as catchy a name (for marketing
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purposes) as your "Dream Linux" CD. So how does someone who has such a
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knack for marketing end up calling his own product "tgdb"? :-)
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>5. On the other hand, I can tell you how to make lots of money with Linux:
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> simply download the archives of tsx-11, sunsite, nic.funet.fi,
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> prep.ai.mit.edu and ftp.x.org, put them on a CDROM, call it "Dream Linux"
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> or similar, and sell if for US$35 per copy. It's that easy. Let's say,
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> an average user is looking for "the better OS" and wants to try out
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> Linux. He buys a "Dream Linux" CD - and is lost. Nothing works "out of
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> the box", no reasonable documentation is available, nor hotline support.
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> What will happen? I'm quite sure that most of these desperated people
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> will close the Linux chapter - forever.
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Surprisingly, this is not so. Most of our customers who end up striking out
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on their first Linux CD end up calling us back and ordering a different one
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hoping for better luck. In some cases we can help, eg Slackware
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Professional from Morse is much easier to install than the Linux Quarterly
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(also from Morse). In others we refund their purchase as their problem
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often is incompatible hardware which they are not willing or able to change.
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>There are a lot more things which speak against Linux as a platform for
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>commercial products. If an operating system is successful or not depends
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>on the availability of qualified (commercial) software for end-users.
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> If we *really* want Linux to succeed, we *need* the companies and their
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>commercial products!
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The old vicious cycle. In Linux's case this cycle is not operating. The PC
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world has been waiting for the last dozen years with growing anticipation
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for a "real" operating system to run on their increasingly powerful
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machines. The catch for home users and the self employed has been the cost
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of the current alternatives such as SCO and OS/2. The cost of these OS's,
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tools, and applications are much higher than their dos equivalents.
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The use of Linux is not growing exponentially because it is "beautiful"
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"fast" "has a great sense of community" or is otherwise socially acceptable.
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It is simply because dos users who have been looking for more functionality
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are now finding that they can get it without bankrupting themselves.
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I would not fret about the lack of commercial software packages. They are
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coming. Where four months ago there were virtually none, there are now
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several dozen commercial packages, and the rate of new introductions is
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increasing rapidly. Sure there are a bunch of potential clouds on the Linux
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horizon, but meantime enjoy the ride.
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Cheers, Bob.
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ACC Bookstores
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"Home of the PC UNIX - Linux Catalog"
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1 (800) 546-7274
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info@acc-corp.com
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From: rhh8416@ultb.isc.rit.edu (R.H. Hall)
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Subject: Re: IP encapsulated in IPX can linux extract IP
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Date: Thu, 15 Sep 1994 00:53:07 GMT
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In article <Cvx0pC.4ru@pe1chl.ampr.org> pe1chl@rabo.nl writes:
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>In <1994Sep10.011707.17006@news.etc.bc.ca> nwalker@cln.etc.bc.ca (Norm Walker) writes:
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>>I have been setting up a linux machine to act as an internet host
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>>on a novell network and got ip and tcp up sharing the ethernet
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>>now we have several segments on different hardware that we
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>>would also like to have access to the linux box.
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>>the problem is that the packets reach the novell server
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>>and it does not know that they are for the linux box on the other
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>>network card so it tosses it.
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>Then you just need to setup IP routing on your Novell server.
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>It is described in the red books. It is like:
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>load tcpip
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>bind ip to card addr=a.b.c.d gateway=e.f.g.h mask=mm.nn.oo.pp
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>do this for all cards you want to run IP on, and the server will route
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>the packets.
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Except you have to add forward=yes to the load line. Also, be
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careful with the gateway part of the bind... I've had better luck
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without it, esp. on the segment with the router. Then just make sure
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you're subnets are legal (tcpip.nlm 1.01 allowed illegal class c
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subnets. I didn't even know they were illegal till I upgraded to 1.87
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& they suddenly didn't work :^(
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Rob
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From: jbarrett@onramp.net
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Subject: Re: need developer!
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Date: Wed, 14 Sep 94 14:25:51 PDT
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In article <354c1v$52m@alijku06.edvz.uni-linz.ac.at>,
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<k3076e5@cxmeta.edvz.uni-linz.ac.at> writes:
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> Path:
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news.onramp.net!news.sprintlink.net!redstone.interpath.net!ddsw1!news.kei.com!y
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eshua.marcam.com!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!Austria.EU.net!newsfeed.ACO.
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net!alijku06!cxmeta.edvz.uni-linz.ac.at!k3076e5
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> From: k3076e5@cxmeta.edvz.uni-linz.ac.at (Humenberger Edmund)
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> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.development
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> Subject: need developer!
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> Date: 13 Sep 1994 14:13:19 GMT
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> Organization: Technical University Vienna/Austria
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> Lines: 7
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> Distribution: world
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> Message-ID: <354c1v$52m@alijku06.edvz.uni-linz.ac.at>
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> NNTP-Posting-Host: cxmeta.edvz.uni-linz.ac.at
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> You should implement for a phone interface card
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> an device driver.
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> You will get the card, all support from the
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> manufactor and money from me. the driver will
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> be free.
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> email your answer. ed
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I've done driver development for the dialogic voice cards under dos and would
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be interested in undertaking your commission to do them for Lunix (for any card
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you can get complete technical specs for)
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I've been programming voice applications off and on for about 8 years now and
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have 4 years experience with Unix. To date I have not had occasion to write a
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Unix device driver.... However.... with the wealth of driver source code
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available for Linux, I do not percieve this as being a serious problem.
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Thank you for your consideration
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John Barrett <jbarrett@onramp.net>
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Shadetree Software
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