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From: Digestifier <Linux-Development-Request@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu>
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To: Linux-Development@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Reply-To: Linux-Development@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Date: Fri, 23 Sep 94 00:13:14 EDT
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Subject: Linux-Development Digest #208
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Linux-Development Digest #208, Volume #2 Fri, 23 Sep 94 00:13:14 EDT
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Contents:
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Re: Linux on CD (Hans Boehm)
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Voicemail modems ZOOM! (John G. Wagner)
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Re: Compiling X-apps using xmkmf (pommnitz%prometheus.heidelbg.ibm.com@ibmpa.awdpa.ibm.com)
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driver for NE3200 (EtherExpress 32 EISA)? (Stefan (SAM Muenzel))
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LINUX WANTED !!! (Franck)
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Re: Linux on CD (Jeff Kesselman)
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Re: AX25 & KISS Amateur Radio Protocols in Linux? (Jay Ashworth)
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Re: AX25 & KISS Amateur Radio Protocols in Linux?? (Vassili Leonov)
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Re: AX25 & KISS Amateur Radio Protocols in Linux?? (Alan Cox)
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Re: X.25 support ....exist ? (Alan Cox)
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Re: Linux on multiple processors? (Alan Cox)
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Re: IP Packet Prioritization for Dial-up Networks (QOS) (Alan Cox)
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Re: Don't use Linux?! (Alan Cox)
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Re: Extending the IP Protocol? (Alan Cox)
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Re: Extending the IP Protocol? (don provan)
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Re: [STATUS] Linus Floppy Driver Development (Paul Vojta)
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how to compile cxterm ? (Short Circuit)
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Re: how to compile cxterm ? (Shawn Hsiao)
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From: boehm@parc.xerox.com (Hans Boehm)
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Subject: Re: Linux on CD
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Date: 20 Sep 1994 18:03:36 GMT
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kruithof@hannover.sgp.slb.com (Andries Kruithof) writes:
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>I can confirm this. I tried it with the TransAmeritech CD, release April 1994.
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>The main problem is that it becomes real slow, compared to running it from HD.
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>This was on a NEC 3xi with an Adaptec 1542 SCSI adapter.
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>I think the big problem is when 2 processes try to access two different files
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>(=> physical locations) simultaneously on the CD-ROM. The head has to move a
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>lot, so the seek-time slows down the data-xfer. (Am I right here?)
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>I think it's more reasonable to have the often used stuff on your HD, and the
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>less used stuff you can run from CD-ROM.
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>How do other people feel about running from CD-ROM? I do like the idea of
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>saving HD-space, but it becomes too slow for me to be usable.
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Also having done this (with a much slower CDROM drive), I suspect there's
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another problem. If you're running a big executable from the CDROM,
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and the kernel needs to page out some of the text segment, it presumably
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decides that it's already in a file, and there's no reason to write
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it to the swap space on your disk. When it needs it again, it just
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reads it in again from the CDROM. Oops. Instead of 40 msecs or so
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for two seeks on the disk, this just cost you 200msecs (650 in my case)
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for a seek on the CDROM. (This is largely conjecture. Please correct
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me if I'm wrong.)
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I still think this is a reasonable way to run, but probably only if you
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put commonly used executables on the magnetic disk, or have enough
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memory that the kernel doesn't need to page AT ALL. Leaving things
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like man pages on the CD seems fine.
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The problem seems fixable with a more intelligent paging policy. But I
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don't know of any OS that does this right.
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Hans-J. Boehm
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(boehm@parc.xerox.com)
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Standard disclaimer ...
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From: jwagner@mental.mitre.org (John G. Wagner)
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Subject: Voicemail modems ZOOM!
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Date: 20 Sep 1994 18:00:32 GMT
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Reply-To: jwagner@mental.mitre.org (John G. Wagner)
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Ok I have a ZOOM modem that has the voicemail stuff built in
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( an extra chip I think) Has anybody written a driver for this yet?
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I sure would like to fire up my voice/fax/data modem and let the computer
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figure out what is calling and what to do with it. ( maybe the software
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could tell if it's a salesman and hangup on him too :))
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--
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+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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+ Heck even I don't know what I do, so the company can't. +
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+ empire isn't a game, it's a world ruled by elves! :) +
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+ Bowling IS a sport, and if you don't believe me, I'll beat'ya +
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+ and YES I mean with a BIG stick!! }:@ +
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+ jwagner@mitre.org | John Wagner | PH# (703)883-3740 +
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+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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From: pommnitz%prometheus.heidelbg.ibm.com@ibmpa.awdpa.ibm.com
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Subject: Re: Compiling X-apps using xmkmf
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Date: 20 Sep 1994 12:50:39 GMT
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Reply-To: pommnitz%prometheus.heidelbg.ibm.com@ibmpa.awdpa.ibm.com
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In <CwEACs.7qJ@crdnns.crd.ge.com> lyonspr@crd.ge.com (Paul R. Lyons) writes:
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> I can't seem to use xmkmf because the file Imake.tmpl is not found in
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> /usr/lib/X11/config. Does anyone know what Slackware Dist. disks this
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> file can be found on, as I really don't want to have to reinstall X. I
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> installed the X,Xdev, and X apps disks way back in the spring. All works
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> great under kernel 0.99.pl15. What am I missing?
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How about /usr/X386/lib/X11/config ?
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If it is there, you can make /usr/lib/X11 a symlink that points to
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/usr/X386/lib/X11.
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Best regards
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Joerg
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Joerg Pommnitz, ARTe Team, IBM Scientific Center Heidelberg, Germany
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Mail1: pommnitz%prometheus.heidelbg.ibm.com@ibmpa.awdpa.ibm.com
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Mail2: jpo@vnet.ibm.com
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Tel. : Germany (06221) 59 3609
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From: muenzel@ceres.tat.physik.uni-tuebingen.de (Stefan (SAM) Muenzel)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.admin,de.comp.os.linux
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Subject: driver for NE3200 (EtherExpress 32 EISA)?
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Date: 22 Sep 94 15:49:22 GMT
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Hi folks,
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I have the following problem:
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my current employer has an EISA-machine with an (for me) unknown
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ethernet-card. It's a
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Intel EtherExpress 32Bit ( NE3200 ) / EISA
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I'm not sure this is the correct name, but i hope some guru on
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the net will recognize it.
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I looked through the kernel-sources (1.1.50), but couldn't find a
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driver for this card (or is it the ac3200 in drivers/net?).
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Does anybody know of this card, or is there already someone writing
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the driver?
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It's fairly important for us to get them working (the
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destination-machine will have 3 of them).
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Any information would be of great value ;-)
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ciao
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SAM
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--
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=============================================================================
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Stefan "SAM" Muenzel . o c , Fencing
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Theoretical Astrophysics / "#v-- --v#" is
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Computational Physics /'> <`\ fun !
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University of Tuebingen
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Auf der Morgenstelle 10 --- D-72076 Tuebingen --- Germany
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Email: muenzel@tat.physik.uni-tuebingen.de
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From: franck@davina.inria.fr (Franck )
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Subject: LINUX WANTED !!!
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Date: 22 Sep 1994 09:26:28 GMT
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Hello, everybody !
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I want to install Linux on my PC.
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I have some very simple questions :
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- What's the last version of Linux ?
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- Where can I find it ? (ftp site...)
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Is documentation about installation, administration be complete and
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clear ?
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Thanks a lot for any contribution.
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_____/ _____/
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/ /
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/_ / Franck Charlemagne.
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__/ / Projet Rodin.
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/ / e-mail : franck@inria.fr
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_/ _/ ______/
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"Whatever you can do, or dream you can, begin it.
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Boldness has genius, power and magic in it."
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Goethe.
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From: jeffpk@netcom.com (Jeff Kesselman)
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Subject: Re: Linux on CD
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Date: Fri, 23 Sep 1994 00:01:58 GMT
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In article <CwEC65.9tC@pe1chl.ampr.org>, Rob Janssen <pe1chl@rabo.nl> wrote:
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>In <CwDx2M.ww@cs.bsu.edu> fagarcia@cs.bsu.edu writes:
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>
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>>I was having a chat with someone over the net and we came to this..
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>>What if Linux came fully implemented (X & all the disk sets) on a CD and
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>>all you would have to do is boot off the CD rom and have the
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>>settings/option files (ie ~/.seyon inittab & the rc scrips) in your HD.
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>>I mean, this would save a lot of diskspace ;)
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>There are several CD-ROMs available that allow you to do this...
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>(well, not actually *booting* from CD-ROM, that was something that only
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> lived in the 386BSD PR-guy's mind... but having all the files on CD-ROM
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> is a realistic possibility, with a small bootable partition on HD)
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>
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>Rob
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>--
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>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>| Rob Janssen | AMPRnet: rob@pe1chl.ampr.org |
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>| e-mail: pe1chl@rabo.nl | AX.25 BBS: PE1CHL@PI8UTR.#UTR.NLD.EU |
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>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Technically, you are right, Rob. At least the Yygdrasil though comes
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with a boot floppy. So unless you don't have a floppy drive, there is not
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much difference here...
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Jeff Kesselman
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From: jra@zeus.IntNet.net (Jay Ashworth)
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Subject: Re: AX25 & KISS Amateur Radio Protocols in Linux?
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Date: 22 Sep 1994 22:21:59 -0400
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stevew@sheridan.ncd.com (Steve Wilson) writes:
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>The only limitations U.S. hams have to worry about is obscene language
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>content, and whether a transmission would benefit them directly financially.
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The language is still "compensation, direct or indirect, paid or promised",
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is it not?
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Cheers,
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-- jra
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--
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Jay R. Ashworth Ashworth
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Designer High Technology Systems Consulting & Associates
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ka1fjx/4
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jra@baylink.com Linux: The Choice of a GNU Generation +1 813 790 7592
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From: vassili@cs.sunysb.edu (Vassili Leonov)
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Subject: Re: AX25 & KISS Amateur Radio Protocols in Linux??
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Date: 22 Sep 1994 18:59:39 GMT
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Mark A. Horton KA4YBR (mah@ka4ybr.com) wrote:
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: Vassili Leonov (vassili@cs.sunysb.edu) wrote:
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: : Rob Janssen (rob@pe1chl.ampr.org) wrote:
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: Vassili, I respectfully say "BULLSHIT." (Couldn't say that on
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: the air! :) I suppose you've never wondered about "baudot" have
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This is one illustration, why you can not carry Internet feeds by
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the ham radio channels. I though that at the age of 44 you should be able
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to control your language better, Mark.
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: portion of the spectrum utilised. I shudder to ask your opinion of
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: CW.
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Well - at least I managed to pass 13 wpm test - ulike you...
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: Not to mention that I've never seen a project run by any government
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: that could be managed more efficiently and cost-effectively than
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: one in a competitive private sector!
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What about GNU and Linux for that matter? I would not say it's run by
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the Government - but not by the private sector either.
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: : is just a vehicle - not an aim in itself. In my opinion - commericial
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: : providers have unfair advantage of being able to use a spectrum - to
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: : no benefit of mine... If you look at HAM radio you'll see that it's
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: WRONG! A lot of traffic that you enjoy goes through commercial
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: providers at some point or another. Face it, were it not for
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And if it would go by free channels - it would be cheaper. That's it.
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And it can not go by the free channels - not because it's financially or
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technically impossible, but because of certain state enforced
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regulations. And that is something that I don't like. As an example -
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some people bring the car to the mechanics - some work on it themselfs.
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In telecommunications you're forced to do it with the mechanics. And
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they know it. And charge you many times more. But that's because they
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give part of this money to the gov. - that enforces the situation.
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So - if you call this FREE market and FARE competition - then we
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speak different ways...
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: a) your can figure out how to do it for no cost.
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If allowed I would pay my share. A few $K would be OK. But then
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I'm FREE. And nobody can STEP ON me one day. Makes a BIG difference.
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: b) you don't steal bandwidth from Amateur Radio... we
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: already lost 11 meters to "public use" and look what
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: that got us! There are already enough well-funded
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Amazing GREED! Tune to 10 meters - in regular days - how many
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channels are used there (2MHz of spectrum)?. You're lucky if 2-3 of them.
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Then tune CB (11m - 0.65MHZ spectrum).
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Most channels are used. So - that WAS very fare. Use it or LOSE IT!
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: interests after our spectrum space! Hell, they've
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: even (supposedly) made it a crime to listen to 800MHz
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: now! (In direct violation of the 1st ammendment AND
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: the Communications Act of 1934 in the USA at least)
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This may leave some feeling with non-hams reading that that WAS the
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essence of amateur radio... Listen to other people... Done' respect
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privacy. Well - I'm also pro alowing encription on HAM channels -
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so you know.
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: : Vassili.
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: What's your call sign, Vassili???
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You can find it in the callbook...
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Vassili.
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From: iialan@iifeak.swan.ac.uk (Alan Cox)
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Subject: Re: AX25 & KISS Amateur Radio Protocols in Linux??
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Date: Thu, 22 Sep 1994 09:17:15 GMT
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In article <35kroh$sq3@newsserv.cs.sunysb.edu> vassili@cs.sunysb.edu (Vassili Leonov) writes:
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>The original identity of the HAM radio is to be at the frontier and
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>benefit the humanity - and free of charge... It's public service -
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>running a NON-COMMERCIAL network on top of that is no contradiction.
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ROTFL. The real motivation for most Governments allowing amateur radio is a
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handy supply of radio trained people in case a war turns up.
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Alan
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// Alan Cox // iialan@www.linux.org.uk // GW4PTS@GB7SWN.#45.GBR.EU //
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From: iialan@iifeak.swan.ac.uk (Alan Cox)
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Subject: Re: X.25 support ....exist ?
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Date: Thu, 22 Sep 1994 09:20:12 GMT
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In article <CwFn4q.4rp@aston.ac.uk> evansmp@mb4715.aston.ac.uk (Mark Evans) writes:
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>paolo bertona (bertop@c700-1.sm.dsi.unimi.it) wrote:
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>: I am searching for some support for X.25 cards
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>: under Linux, can somebody help me ?
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>The only X25 support is the AX25 written by Alan Cox,
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>You might like to look at this code for ideas, I
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>suspect you will find that things like the HDLC
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>management you can leave to the hardware.
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HDLC is normally done on board by an 8530 SCC chip (or relative). The AX.25
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code is currently (its probably going to change state machine code) based on
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BSD netccitt from net-2 which is a LAPB and very limited X.25 layer just
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about good enough to get IP over X.25 up. The Linux stuff is AX.25 which
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is a variant on LAPB for a broadcast medium and has no equivalent upper
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layers to the HDLC/LAPB/X.25/X.29 stack.
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Alan
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// Alan Cox // iialan@www.linux.org.uk // GW4PTS@GB7SWN.#45.GBR.EU //
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From: iialan@iifeak.swan.ac.uk (Alan Cox)
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Subject: Re: Linux on multiple processors?
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Date: Thu, 22 Sep 1994 09:21:27 GMT
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In article <35mojq$t04@sundog.tiac.net> mdorman@mallet.tiac.net (michael alan dorman) writes:
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>considering using Linux as a platform (dialin Internet host, web server,
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>fairly high volume) seems to me to be one for which SMP might give
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>good results--or at least make it easier to stave off the purchase of
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>a second machine.
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For a web server which does spread easily between machines a pile of old
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386SX's with 2-4Mb of RAM is very cost effective for the job.
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Alan
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// Alan Cox // iialan@www.linux.org.uk // GW4PTS@GB7SWN.#45.GBR.EU //
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From: iialan@iifeak.swan.ac.uk (Alan Cox)
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Subject: Re: IP Packet Prioritization for Dial-up Networks (QOS)
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Date: Thu, 22 Sep 1994 09:33:45 GMT
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In article <Cw9vKq.51u@pe1chl.ampr.org> pe1chl@rabo.nl writes:
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>Applications can use the TOS field to specify what they want, and existing
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>applications can be handled by the header peeking. (TCP port 20, etc)
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All the standard network kit follows the recommendations and uses IP_TOS
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to set options. People using very old networking programs may gain from
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a recompile with current stuff. Linux fully supports both SO_PRIORITY and
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IP_TOS.
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Alan
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// Alan Cox // iialan@www.linux.org.uk // GW4PTS@GB7SWN.#45.GBR.EU //
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From: iialan@iifeak.swan.ac.uk (Alan Cox)
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Subject: Re: Don't use Linux?!
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Date: Thu, 22 Sep 1994 09:34:31 GMT
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In article <35g6hg$sao@ulowell.uml.edu> jrichard@cs.uml.edu (John Richardson) writes:
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>How would one go about asking Wordperfect about this? Is their an
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>e-mail address, or do you just talk to them on the phone?
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I just phoned them up.
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Alan
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// Alan Cox // iialan@www.linux.org.uk // GW4PTS@GB7SWN.#45.GBR.EU //
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From: iialan@iifeak.swan.ac.uk (Alan Cox)
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Subject: Re: Extending the IP Protocol?
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Date: Thu, 22 Sep 1994 09:37:15 GMT
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In article <35fq5f$j4s@mark.ucdavis.edu> slouken@cs.ucdavis.edu (Sam Oscar Lantinga) writes:
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> On another note, it may be necessary to do full packet
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>encapsulation for this to work properly. Is it possible to select
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>a new protocol number say "encap" that would correspond to a simple
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>encapsulation protocol?
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IPIP already exists and is used occasionally. Its very undesirable since
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(with some few exceptions) what it does can be done with properly set up routing.
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Adding it the Linux kernel is possible I guess probably as an ipip virtual
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device.
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Alan
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Crossposted-To: comp.protocols.tcp-ip
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From: donp@novell.com (don provan)
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Subject: Re: Extending the IP Protocol?
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Date: Fri, 23 Sep 1994 00:12:04 GMT
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In article <35nage$m7r@mark.ucdavis.edu> slouken@cs.ucdavis.edu (Sam Oscar Lantinga) writes:
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>Gert Doering (gert@greenie.muc.de) wrote:
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>: Why not simply using Proxy ARP on the SLIP server? Sounds a lot easier +
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>: faster.
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>...
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>2) I don't have access to the SLIP server.
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In other words, you want to implement something in the protocol to get
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around the fact that you do not control the SLIP server. Normally
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protocol changes are not made to solve administrative problems.
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By the way, from your description of the proposed relay option, it
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sounds as if it behaves exactly like the existing loose source routing
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option. Am I missing some subtle difference between the two?
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don provan
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donp@novell.com
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From: vojta@tashkent.berkeley.edu (Paul Vojta)
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Subject: Re: [STATUS] Linus Floppy Driver Development
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Date: 23 Sep 1994 00:23:14 GMT
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In article <35sheg$b71@earth.baylor.edu>,
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Pyramids-R-Us <ges@earth.baylor.edu> wrote:
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>Also I don't want my unprivelged users to be able to mount
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>a minix or ext2 filesystem that has executables owned by root and with
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>the setuid bit on. Most of the users of the linux machine I adminiter
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>at school have access to the console so this is a real concern.
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OK, so read the man page for mount(1) and set the options correctly.
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This issue has already been discussed in typical Usenet fashion (lots
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of erroneous posts, converging very slowly to the truth) very recently
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in this newsgroup.
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--Paul Vojta, vojta@math.berkeley.edu
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From: ckwen@mail.ncku.edu.tw (Short Circuit)
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Subject: how to compile cxterm ?
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Date: Thu, 22 Sep 1994 13:40:21 GMT
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Hello,
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Does anyone of you know how to compile cxterm-11.5.1 ? I got the
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error message when making it:
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main.c: sgtty.h not found
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Thanks in advance.
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Cheng-Kang Wen E-mail: ckwen@mail.ncku.edu.tw
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Distributed Systems Lab.
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Institute of Electrical Engineering
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National Cheng Kung University
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Tainan
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Taiwan
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From: shawn@skydome.hinet.net (Shawn Hsiao)
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Subject: Re: how to compile cxterm ?
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Date: 22 Sep 1994 18:53:17 GMT
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In article <1994Sep22.134021.26517@dec8.ncku.edu.tw> ckwen@mail.ncku.edu.tw (Short Circuit) writes:
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Does anyone of you know how to compile cxterm-11.5.1 ? I got the
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error message when making it:
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main.c: sgtty.h not found
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Try add `-I/usr/include/bsd' to your compilation options.
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You can join the tw.bbs.comp.linux for more information about using chinese
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under Linux.
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--
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// Shawn
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E-mail: shawn@skydome.hinet.net
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