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From: Digestifier <Linux-Development-Request@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu>
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To: Linux-Development@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Reply-To: Linux-Development@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Date: Fri, 23 Sep 94 12:13:18 EDT
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Subject: Linux-Development Digest #211
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Linux-Development Digest #211, Volume #2 Fri, 23 Sep 94 12:13:18 EDT
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Contents:
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Re: AX25 & KISS Amateur Radio Protocols in Linux?? (Mark A. Horton KA4YBR)
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Internals Guide to Net? (Christopher Michael Joslyn)
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Re: Linux on CD (Matthias Bruestle)
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Re: AHA1542A and Linux-1.1.50+ are having troubles.. (Bill Davidsen)
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RFD: new moderated newsgroups (Edmund Humenberger)
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Re: 900 MHz CB band??? (Bill Davidsen)
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Re: Shared Libs: working toward a permanent solution? (H.J. Lu)
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ELF-based Linux distribution? [Was: Shared Libs: working toward a permanent solution?] (Dan Connolly)
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Re: RFD: new moderated newsgroups (Laurent Julliard)
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Re: SPARC Linux? (Marc Fraioli)
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Re: How to use a host as a router - READ THIS (Jay Ashworth)
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source for rcs 5.6 (Wai Long Fong)
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From: mah@ka4ybr.com (Mark A. Horton KA4YBR)
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Subject: Re: AX25 & KISS Amateur Radio Protocols in Linux??
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Date: Wed, 21 Sep 1994 12:32:10 GMT
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Vassili Leonov (vassili@cs.sunysb.edu) wrote:
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: Rob Janssen (rob@pe1chl.ampr.org) wrote:
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: : Amateur radio is a way for individuals to experiment with radio transmissions,
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: : mainly for self-education and research. The exchange of information is
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: The main accent in self-education and research is in the field of
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: computing. The radio itself is rather obsolete and is not of much intrest
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: and value these days...
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Vassili, I respectfully say "BULLSHIT." (Couldn't say that on
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the air! :) I suppose you've never wondered about "baudot" have
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you? Or MASER and LASER research? Or FM transmissions? Yes, a lot
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of hams are interested in computers these days... it's natural, but
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most of use got into the hobby because of the more basic interest in
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COMMUNICATIONS in general, regardless of the transmission mode or
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portion of the spectrum utilised. I shudder to ask your opinion of
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CW.
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: : This is not at all related to "the right for free exchange of information".
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: : For that purpose, there is CB radio. In that area there are no limitations
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: Can you build a high speed data network wusing CB? Sure you can't...
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Sure you CAN, Vassili... read up on it a little... it's just another
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part of the spectrum!
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: : Ever since the inception of "packet radio" there have been greedy looks
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: : from the "networking" people on the amateur radio spectrum. They see it
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: : as a way to carry their traffic without having to pay excessive fees
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: : to communications providers.
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: Yes! It would be GREAT and would benefit the whole human race, if the
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: thing like Internet can be trully free and available to individuals and
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: "without having to pay excessive fees" - I think it would be very
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: much along the lines under which the HAM radio was founded. It's just
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: that there were NO computer networks these days....
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: : Amateur radio is not intended for this purpose, and by allowing such
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: : use of the spectrum the original identity of amateur radio is lost. Then
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: The original identity of the HAM radio is to be at the frontier and
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: benefit the humanity - and free of charge... It's public service -
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: running a NON-COMMERCIAL network on top of that is no contradiction.
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And how are you going to insure the NON-COMMERCIAL status of that
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traffic? Hold every message and personally eyeball it to see if
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it contains any hint of commercialism? To be legal, that's what
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would be required... otherwise, you can lose your license by
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merely carrying traffic through your packet node that may have
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a commercial nature... read up on it.. it's already happened!
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I personally don't want to take the risk... I pay $45.00 per
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month to crl for a uucp link and USENET feed... I don't think
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that's excessive... sure, I'd like it to be free, but SOMEONE
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has to pay for the hardware, software, and personnel to make it
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all work! Oh, of course, we can let "the government" do it...
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and everyone pays for it with their taxes, including those who have
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no use or interest in the net... that's not too fair now is it?
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Not to mention that I've never seen a project run by any government
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that could be managed more efficiently and cost-effectively than
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one in a competitive private sector!
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: : it will be ever more difficult to keep the parts of the spectrum that
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: : the commercial communications providers are interested in, because they
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: : can easily point at this "unfair competition".
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: Competition should serve the humanity - not vice verse. Competition
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: is just a vehicle - not an aim in itself. In my opinion - commericial
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: providers have unfair advantage of being able to use a spectrum - to
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: no benefit of mine... If you look at HAM radio you'll see that it's
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WRONG! A lot of traffic that you enjoy goes through commercial
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providers at some point or another. Face it, were it not for
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commercial support taking up the slack from the cuts in
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government funding for the net, we'd all be suffering greatly.
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Or perhaps you LIKE the idea of paying for every message that
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goes through your system? I don't and would immediately stop
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all the free downstream feeds I have and cut back mine to a very
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few groups instead of the 6000+ that run through here!
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: not a technical problem to implement a high speed backbone for a packet
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: network, will not take any existing spectrum (how much is spectrum
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: above 1GHZ used really - if there is almost no commercial HAM equipement
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: on the market for higher then 1.2 GHZ)
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So BUILD it! That's what the hobby is all about... experimentation,
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fun, etc.... microwave is kinda neat... so's radar, EME, etc.
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Circuits CAN be built, they don't have to come in multi-legged,
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plastic packages that always land pins up on the floor when you
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drop them!
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: : So, the limitations on information exchange via amateur radio are a good
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: : thing. Don't view them as censorship, but as the regulations that make
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: : amateur radio a possibility.
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: Something - "let's thatnk the autorities and big companies that
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: they let us mice exist" approach. I don't like this. Internet should be
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: free and should be based on the free backbones. HAM radio spectrum is
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: good for that. Don't use it for commericial purposes - but Linux is
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: a free projet anyway. The main idea is that free software combined
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: with a free backbone can really change the world. Sure there are
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: always opponets to these kind of things...
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I aggree in theory with your idea of free backbones... it would
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be wonderful if :
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a) your can figure out how to do it for no cost.
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b) you don't steal bandwidth from Amateur Radio... we
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already lost 11 meters to "public use" and look what
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that got us! There are already enough well-funded
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interests after our spectrum space! Hell, they've
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even (supposedly) made it a crime to listen to 800MHz
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now! (In direct violation of the 1st ammendment AND
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the Communications Act of 1934 in the USA at least)
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: Vassili.
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What's your call sign, Vassili???
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73, de ka4ybr
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--
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Mark A. Horton ka4ybr mah@ka4ybr.atl.ga.us
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P.O. Box 747 Decatur GA US 30031-0747 mah@ka4ybr.com
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+1.404.371.0291 33 45 31 N / 084 16 59 W
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From: chrisj@pvi.com (Christopher Michael Joslyn)
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Subject: Internals Guide to Net?
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Date: Wed, 21 Sep 1994 16:58:33 GMT
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After a much exhusted search, I haven't been able to find an internals
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guide to the net code in the kernel (i.e., linux/net/inet). Does anyone
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know if such a beast exists?
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Thanks.
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- Chris
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--
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---- Purgamentum Init, Exit Purgamentum ------------------------------------
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Christopher M. Joslyn | Visual Numerics, Inc. | "A la fin de l'envoi,
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+1 (303) 581-3269 | 6230 Lookout Road | je touche!"
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chrisj@boulder.vni.com | Boulder, CO 80301 | My opinions are mine!
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From: m@mbsks.franken.de (Matthias Bruestle)
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Subject: Re: Linux on CD
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Date: Thu, 22 Sep 1994 21:34:53 GMT
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Mahlzeit
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> What I think (for what it's worth) would be useful would be
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> the ability to merge the CD-ROM's directory with the HD's and
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> the HD's files would take precedence. That way if you want to
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> make a change or just want the speed of the HD you could copy
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> the file(s) to the HD in the same spot (directory and file name).
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> Just a vague thought...
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Why not put the binary directory of the cd-rom behind the binary
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directory of the hd in the path variable?
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Mahlzeit
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A leap ahead... through insanity.
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From: davidsen@usenety1.news.prodigy.com (Bill Davidsen)
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Subject: Re: AHA1542A and Linux-1.1.50+ are having troubles..
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Date: 21 Sep 1994 17:52:17 -0400
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In article <CwHs9s.D2G@utu.fi>, Matti Aarnio <mea@utu.fi> wrote:
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:On System:
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: - i486/33 32MB DRAM (ISA)
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: - Adaptec AHA1542A + 600 MB CDC Wren-V disk
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:When running Linux 1.0.9 there is no trouble, however with
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:Linux 1.1.50 and 1.1.51 there appear spodaric data corruption
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:on the disk WRITES.
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I'm jealous! I never got my 1542A to work at all with Linux on any
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version. If this gets fixed I may have to upgrade.
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--
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Speaking *from* but never *for* Prodigy
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"Pain builds moral fiber" -my dad
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"Pain hurts" -me
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From: ed@wildsau.idv.uni-linz.ac.at (Edmund Humenberger)
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Subject: RFD: new moderated newsgroups
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Date: 23 Sep 1994 12:45:08 GMT
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To build a place where you can get information I suggest
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a new group: comp.os.linux.development.moderated
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or something like this.
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There should be only a limited group of members be allowed
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to pst to this group. These members can vote for any
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other person to be allowed to post also.
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If there is a majority of 30%, the new person can
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become member to.
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How can somebody become member?
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to write good articles in Comp.os.linux.development!!!
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then the others will sea and vote for himher.
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If there are more votes than 30% of the members to quit
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the right of somebody to post, the right will be canceled.
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this can be done automaticly: are there some volunteers out
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to do it?
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Even if I am not alowed to post. I like to read information.
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thanks ed
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From: davidsen@usenety1.news.prodigy.com (Bill Davidsen)
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Subject: Re: 900 MHz CB band???
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Date: 22 Sep 1994 12:45:51 -0400
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In article <35q8vp$15m@newsserv.cs.sunysb.edu>,
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Vassili Leonov <vassili@cs.sunysb.edu> wrote:
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:To bring it to topic - there is ALPHA version of Linux driver for
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:the WaveLan card, designed by NCR, that gives you about 2.5 Kbit/sec
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:link as far as you can beam 1Watt at around 910 MHz. This band is
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:at least for Spread Spectrum operation, which WaveLan is using.
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Is that a typo? Did you mean 2.5 Mbit?? A $700 (more or less) 2400 baud
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modem is probably not on everyone's wish list.
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:This equipemnt can by used w/o FCC licence by the user - but the
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:manufacturer must get certification.
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:Vassili.
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:p.s. Well - you CAN build a backbone using this stuff. Though they are
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:rather expensive - about $700 per card...
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If that speed is right, rather s..l..o..w as well ;-)
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--
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Speaking *from* but never *for* Prodigy
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"Pain builds moral fiber" -my dad
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"Pain hurts" -me
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From: hjl@nynexst.com (H.J. Lu)
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Subject: Re: Shared Libs: working toward a permanent solution?
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Date: 21 Sep 1994 13:51:26 GMT
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I have released a complete ELF developement kit for testing. Everything
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in it is linked with one or more ELF/PIC libraries. From what I have seen
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so far, the speed of ELF/PIC shared library is pretty good. I hope someone
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will compile an entire Linux distribution with ELF to see how good/bad
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it is. With ELF, you can easily make shared libraries without worrying too
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much :-).
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FYI, the public release of the Linux C library will contain the ELF
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version of the shared libraries.
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H.J.
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From: connolly@ulua.hal.com (Dan Connolly)
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Subject: ELF-based Linux distribution? [Was: Shared Libs: working toward a permanent solution?]
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Date: 22 Sep 1994 22:44:09 GMT
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In article <35rpmn$mpg@news.cais.com> ericy@cais2.cais.com (Eric Youngdale) writes:
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I am not entirely unsympathetic to the complaints about loss of
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performance, but to start with I just want to get vanilla ELF working and
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stable. Once we reach this point, then performance enhancements can be
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considered (and I do have ideas). How much trouble I go to depends upon
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how bad the problem really is, and this will become evident as time
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goes on. Whatever enhancements I make to improve performance will have
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the following properties:
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OK... so I gather ELF binaries and shared libraries are a viable
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long-term solution to the current shared library foo.
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In fact, it looks inevitable to me.
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So here's the next question: who will be the first to support a
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complete ELF-based Linux distribution? Are any of the major
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distributors planning to do this?
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I built the Modula-3 runtime libraries using the current shared-library
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tools (that's how I got started with this thread), and I can image
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that eliminating all that assembly re-writing could dramatically impact
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the time it takes to compile a complete Linux distribution. Should
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be quite a bit quicker.
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So are there significant technical obstacles remaining, or is it
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a question of mind-share now?
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How many major apps have been built/tested with the ELF tools?
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* Has the X386 team started messing with ELF tools?
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(how do they build shared libs for other BSD-based
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x86 unices like BSD386, NetBSD, FreeBSD, and the like?)
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* How about the apps where nobody touches the source code
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any more, like TeX?
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* I heard emacs excercised some problems with the ELF tools.
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Anyone care to elaborate?
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* How about the networking tools -- are there any interactions?
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Has anyone begun exploring?
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From what I have read, the ELF tools are nearly complete. They are
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exiting the ALPHA phase, and it's time for major wide-spread BETA
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testing. I guess that will take a few months, and then distributors
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will start to think seriously about doing an ELF-based distribution...
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probably some time before next summer.
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Does that sound reasonable?
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Dan
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--
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Daniel W. Connolly "We believe in the interconnectedness of all things"
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Software Engineer, Hal Software Systems, OLIAS project (512) 834-9962 x5010
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<connolly@hal.com> http://www.hal.com/%7Econnolly/index.html
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From: julliard@grenoble.rxrc.xerox.com (Laurent Julliard)
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Subject: Re: RFD: new moderated newsgroups
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Reply-To: julliard@grenoble.rxrc.xerox.com
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Date: Fri, 23 Sep 1994 14:33:49 GMT
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I second Stephen's opinion. Some guys need a little refresh about the
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Internet philosophy...
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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WHOA!!!! What about the philosophy of openess and non-censorship on
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internet??
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I would strenuously OPPOSE such a move. I WILL vote against it!!
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sefarlow@crl.com
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Edmund Humenberger (ed@wildsau.idv.uni-linz.ac.at) wrote:
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: To build a place where you can get information I suggest
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: a new group: comp.os.linux.development.moderated
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: or something like this.
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: There should be only a limited group of members be allowed
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: to pst to this group. These members can vote for any
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: other person to be allowed to post also.
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: If there is a majority of 30%, the new person can
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: become member to.
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~ Laurent JULLIARD | email : Laurent.Julliard@xerox.fr ~
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~ Rank Xerox Research Centre | XNS mail: Laurent Julliard:grenoble:rxrc ~
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~ Grenoble Laboratory | Phone : (+33) 76 61 50 48 ~
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~ 6, chemin de Maupertuis | Fax : (+33) 76 61 50 99 ~
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~ 38240 MEYLAN FRANCE | ~
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From: mjf@clark.net (Marc Fraioli)
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Subject: Re: SPARC Linux?
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Date: 22 Sep 1994 19:30:17 GMT
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Reply-To: mjf@clark.net
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In article 11238@aaf.alcatel.at, wnp@rcvie.co.at (Wolf Paul) writes:
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>I seem to remember something about a port of Linux to the SUN Sparc
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>architecture.
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>Can anyone provide details on that?
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Some people were discussing it a couple weeks ago, but it doesn't
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actually exist. The discussion was hypothetical. There is however,
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a version of one of the free BSDs currently in beta on the SPARC.
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Ask on, say, comp.sys.sun.misc about it.
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---
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Marc Fraioli | "They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist- "
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mjf@clark.net | - Last words of Union General John Sedgwick,
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| Battle of Spotsylvania Court House, U.S. Civil War
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From: jra@zeus.IntNet.net (Jay Ashworth)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.admin,alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions
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Subject: Re: How to use a host as a router - READ THIS
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Date: 23 Sep 1994 09:12:26 -0400
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fvm@tasking.nl (Frank van Maarseveen) writes:
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>> Destination Gateway Netmask Flags MSS iface
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>> 127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1 255.0.0.0 UH 1536 lo0
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>> 199.245.227.0 199.245.227.254 255.255.255.0 U 1436 eth0
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>> default 198.147.221.1 255.255.255.0 U 1436 ppp0
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>Why has the loopback route a destination 127.0.0.1 instead of 127.0.0.0
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>in accordance with the specified netmask?
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>The loopback interface could have IP address 127.0.0.1 and connect to
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>a loopback network 127.0.0.0 with netmask 255.0.0.0 (conceptually)
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And in practice, people who route the loopback _host_, and people who
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route the loopback _network_ seem evenly split. Perversely, Mmy machine
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_says_ it's routing the host, but any host on that net is loopback. Go
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figure...
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>About assigning the same IP address to multiple interfaces on the same
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>host:
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>One could argue that this is "correct" as long as the outer world cannot
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>see any difference. Consider all interfaces as one big specially designed
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>interface with the software (linux) hiding the differences. So, as long
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>as the software supports this concept it is correct IMHO.
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This depends, as you say, on whether the IP kernel code can make it's
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routing decisions based on interface name, rather than interface address.
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I gather some can, and I gather it's a new thing. Older (primarily
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4.2/3BSD) code apparently couldn't. I'm in the middle of rereading
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Leffler & McKusick, I should have a better answer than that shortly.
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Cheers,
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-- jra
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Jay R. Ashworth High Technology Systems Comsulting Ashworth
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Designer Linux: The Choice of a GNU Generation & Associates
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ka1fjx/4
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jra@baylink.com "Hey! Do any of you guys know how to Madison?" 813 790 7592
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From: s923383@minyos.xx.rmit.EDU.AU (Wai Long Fong)
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Subject: source for rcs 5.6
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Date: 23 Sep 1994 14:37:56 GMT
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I am looking for source code of version control software such as the one
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that comes with Slackware 2.0, rcs 5.6. Actually, source code for any
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version control package will be alright. Thanks a lot in advance.
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