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From: Digestifier <Linux-Development-Request@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu>
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To: Linux-Development@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Reply-To: Linux-Development@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Date: Tue, 4 Oct 94 20:13:38 EDT
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Subject: Linux-Development Digest #265
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Linux-Development Digest #265, Volume #2 Tue, 4 Oct 94 20:13:38 EDT
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Contents:
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Re: ext2fs vs. Berkeley FFS (Mike Haertel)
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weird linux hangs 1.0.9 -> 1.1.51 inclusive... (Paul Erkkila)
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DOSEMU question (Douglas Rankin)
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need help changing DIP term.c code
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Re: convert num to string integrating math functions (Robert G. Smith)
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Re: umount problem! (Rob Janssen)
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Re: ext2fs vs. Berkeley FFS (Rob Janssen)
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Re: What GUI to write for? (Orhan Unal)
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umount problem! (Mark D. Roth)
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Re: Suggestion: comp.os.linux.channelecho.* (H. Peter Anvin)
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Re: What GUI to write for? (Marc Fraioli)
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Re: linux-activists@Niksula.hut.fi (Ahmed Naas)
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Re: Using Andrew to create and edit HTML docs (DAVID L. JOHNSON)
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Re: What GUI to write for? (Tanner)
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dds2tar shows bug of gnu-tar (Joerg Weule)
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From: mike@dogmatix.cs.uoregon.edu (Mike Haertel)
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Subject: Re: ext2fs vs. Berkeley FFS
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Date: 03 Oct 1994 03:31:11 GMT
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Rob Janssen (rob@pe1chl.ampr.org) wrote:
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> Well, the Linux community sneers at BSD for doing synchronous inode
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> updates, which you won't find in ext2fs :-)
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> Those can really kill performance when you are manipulating a lot of
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> files, like in a news system.
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The Linux community may sneer at synchronous inode updates, but under
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BSD ffs I have never lost a file, which is more than I can say for
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ext2fs, which has cost me a whole partition at least once, simply
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due to its overoptimistic buffering.
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In fact, this was the issue that drove me away from Linux (to
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NetBSD) for over a year. I have only recently returned to the Linux
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fold since discovering that e2fsck has been dramatically improved.
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Even so I am not wholly happy--the "clean" bit sometimes seems to be a
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lie. I have simply taken to running a forced fsck every time I boot,
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regardless of the clean bit.
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Has anyone ported BSD ffs to Linux? I would strongly prefer to use
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it, simply for the slower but safer synchronous inode and directory
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updates. Not to mention I would like to be able to share files with
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my BSD partition...
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--
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Mike Haertel <mike@cs.uoregon.edu>
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From: pee@cci.com (Paul Erkkila)
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Subject: weird linux hangs 1.0.9 -> 1.1.51 inclusive...
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Date: Tue, 4 Oct 1994 12:20:55 GMT
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We are having a problem with linux "hanging" on out P5 EISA/VLB
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machine. (90 mhz) . General symtoms before the hang are non-exsistent as
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far as I can tell. One minute it's up , and then boom Dead. No console control
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no net access , no cntl-alt-del. It has to be cold booted/ reset. I've read
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other posts to this group complaining of similar occurences, and would like to
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help sort it out. Is there any kernel logging/ profiling that can be enabled
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so I can log what is going on? Disk space and logging time are NOT a
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problem and I would really like to get to the bottom of this. I saw the kernel
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profiling option for the configure but I have no idea how to take advantage of
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this option.
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Hardware
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P5-90
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NE2000 ethernet card
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AHA 2842 SCSI (also tried a 1542 same problems)
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64meg ram
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30+meg swap ( also tried no swap)
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4 Seagate 1.1 gig drives
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Any and all info appreciated ...
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-pee
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--
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From: drankin@myhost.subdomain.domain (Douglas Rankin)
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Subject: DOSEMU question
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Date: Tue, 4 Oct 1994 15:26:36 GMT
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I have a question. I have been able to get dosemu0.53 running with a
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diskiamge for c: I was wondering how I configure it in order for it
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to boot my dos drives which is /dev/sda. My linux is on /dev/sdb1.
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Any help would be appreciated. You can reply here or email me at the
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following:
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drankin@mason1.gmu.edu or
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drankin@dgs.dgsys.com
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thanks for any help!!!!
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From: don@myhost.subdomain.domain ()
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Subject: need help changing DIP term.c code
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Date: 2 Oct 1994 07:24:22 GMT
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below is the terminal loop for dip. I need to add code that looks for
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a STRING coming from the tty port such as '++HANGUP++' then when
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it finds it , term will exit
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also how would u watch carrier detech and exit if it drops
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could someone please help?
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/* Go into an endless terminal loop. */
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while(1) {
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rmask = mask;
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i = select(32, &rmask, (fd_set *)NULL, (fd_set *)NULL,
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(struct timeval *)NULL);
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if (i <= 0) break;
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if (FD_ISSET(0, &rmask)) {
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i = read(0, buff, 1);
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if (i > 0) {
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if (buff[0] == (']' & 037)) break;
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(void) write(tty, buff, i);
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}
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}
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if (FD_ISSET(tty, &rmask)) {
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i = read(tty, buff, 1024);
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if (i > 0) (void) write(1, buff, i);
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};
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}
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if (ioctl(0, TCSETS, &otty) < 0) {
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perror("term ioctl TCSETS");
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return;
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}
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/* Restore all signals. */
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for (i = 0; i < 32; i++) (void) signal(i + 1, old_sigs[i]);
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printf("\n[ Back to LOCAL mode. ]\n");
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}
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--
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*******************************************************************************
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Comland HiTech BBS System
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Sysop Don Carroll
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****514-218-0173****
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Don@comland.com
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*******************************************************************************
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From: rob@bip.anatomy.upenn.edu (Robert G. Smith)
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Subject: Re: convert num to string integrating math functions
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Date: 3 Oct 1994 02:22:44 GMT
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Aulas (jules@shagshag.frmug.fr.net) wrote:
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: Hi !
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: I've got a problem building a function designer program:
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: the only way I know to enter the function is to put
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: it in the source code directly.
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: what are the keywords to convert properly (with sin(x) and cos(x))
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: strings to num;
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: Atoi and atof don't work, 'cos they don't recognize cos(x) or sin(x)
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: as mathematical function but as strings.
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You need an interpreter for your functions.
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Here are two possibilities:
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1) Try reading:
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"The Unix Programming Environment", by Kernighan and Pike.
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It describes how to build, piece by piece, a simple interpreter
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for expressions and functions. There are many other
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simple script languages like the one described in this book.
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Tcl is similar. But it is easy to write your own.
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2) Download my neural simulator, "NeuronC", at:
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retina.anatomy.upenn.edu:pub/nc.tgz
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This package contains a simple "C"-like language
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that you can add to your application. It contains
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lots of math functions, fft, rand, etc., dynamically-allocated
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arrays of several dimensions, floating-point and string
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variables, local variables, subroutines, etc.
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You can test a stripped-down version of my simulator's
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interpreted language by:
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cd nc/src
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make interp
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Then you can run the interpreter and print results,
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line by line:
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interp
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## nc version #3.7
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print 1/81;
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0.012345679
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print sin(.017);
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0.016999181
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From here it's pretty easy to take the essential source code
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files and add them to another application. See the "makefile".
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Have fun,
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Rob Smith
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From: rob@pe1chl.ampr.org (Rob Janssen)
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Subject: Re: umount problem!
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Reply-To: pe1chl@rabo.nl
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Date: Tue, 4 Oct 1994 08:33:22 GMT
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In <1994Oct4.011343.4447@tudedv.et.tudelft.nl> iafilius@et.tudelft.nl writes:
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>In article <36pnu7$lp2@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, roth@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Mark D. Roth) writes:
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>> I just encountered a weird problem with umount. I am using the umount
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>> that comes with the binary distrib of util-linux-1.10 under linux
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>> 1.1.51. When I mount a floppy and move files to it (the filesystem
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>> was ext), and then umount it
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>>
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>> Anyway, I dunno what's causing this.
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>You are not allone in the dark, I have similar problems after upgrading
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>the kernel.
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>And I have not any idee what causing it.
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>So people help us please.
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Arghh!! The fix for this has been on this group *so many* times that
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it is really your own fault when you don't know about it...
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Rob
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--
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=========================================================================
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| Rob Janssen | AMPRnet: rob@pe1chl.ampr.org |
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| e-mail: pe1chl@rabo.nl | AX.25 BBS: PE1CHL@PI8UTR.#UTR.NLD.EU |
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=========================================================================
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From: rob@pe1chl.ampr.org (Rob Janssen)
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Subject: Re: ext2fs vs. Berkeley FFS
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Reply-To: pe1chl@rabo.nl
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Date: Tue, 4 Oct 1994 08:40:34 GMT
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In <MIKE.94Oct3134650@majestix.cs.uoregon.edu> mike@majestix.cs.uoregon.edu (Mike Haertel) writes:
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>In article <Cx38G4.4M6@pe1chl.ampr.org> rob@pe1chl.ampr.org (Rob Janssen) writes:
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>>In <MIKE.94Oct2203111@dogmatix.cs.uoregon.edu> mike@dogmatix.cs.uoregon.edu (Mike Haertel) writes:
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>>
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>>>Rob Janssen (rob@pe1chl.ampr.org) wrote:
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>>>> Well, the Linux community sneers at BSD for doing synchronous inode
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>>>> updates, which you won't find in ext2fs :-)
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>>>> Those can really kill performance when you are manipulating a lot of
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>>>> files, like in a news system.
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>>
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>>>The Linux community may sneer at synchronous inode updates, but under
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>>>BSD ffs I have never lost a file, which is more than I can say for
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>>>ext2fs, which has cost me a whole partition at least once, simply
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>>>due to its overoptimistic buffering.
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>>
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>>It has been shown that the synchronous updating of metadata is the wrong
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>>thing to do. You may have a system which shows no fsck errors after a
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>>crash, but has garbage in the newly created files anyway.
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>>I'd rather lose a new file alltogether than have it in the directory and
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>>have crap in it instead of the data I wrote.
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>I don't think you're thinking far enough ahead. The purpose of
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>synchronous metadata updates is not to save the file you're writing
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>at the time of the crash (or whatever), but rather to ensure that
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>the file system itself doesn't creepingly get into an inconsistent
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>state behind your back.
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Linux has "bdflush" running to save blocks to disk every few seconds.
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>I'd rather have garbage in a file than have a file whose blocks
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>are also in the free list and will soon be allocated to another
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>file as well. Of course, fsck is supposed to fix these situations.
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Well, then our opinion differs. And most people in this agroup agree
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with my opinion, it seems.
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>But if you're using a filesystem wherein the actual disk updates
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>are trailing way behind file system activity, and are not constrained
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>to be written in the order they were made, then a crash at a disk-intensive
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>time could leave fsck extremely confused.
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ext2fs does not use free lists (it uses bitmaps), so the problem
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you picture does not really occur in practice. (fsck has an easy
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job checking the consistency of the bitmaps)
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>This is why BSD ffs does its updates in what somebody called the "wrong"
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>order, but which strikes me as exactly the _right_ order.
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Then please use BSD.
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Rob
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--
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=========================================================================
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| Rob Janssen | AMPRnet: rob@pe1chl.ampr.org |
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| e-mail: pe1chl@rabo.nl | AX.25 BBS: PE1CHL@PI8UTR.#UTR.NLD.EU |
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=========================================================================
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From: unal@uwnuc1.physics.wisc.edu (Orhan Unal)
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Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.intrinsics,gnu.misc.discuss
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Subject: Re: What GUI to write for?
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Date: 4 Oct 1994 20:42:41 GMT
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In article <36s3n3$57g@booz.bah.com> gerald@warbird.usae.bah.com (Gerald G. Washington) writes:
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>I wonder--by writing other toolkits with Motif-like functionality, I hope
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>people are not violating some copyright. I'm just curious because I did
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>write my own object-oriented toolkit with a Motif-like appearance. I've
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>been using it for a while. Tk also has this feature. I remember that
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>Apple tried to sue when people copied some of the Mac's interface...
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>
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Some time ago I believe OSF has made MOTIF API Specifications public. You
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can go ahead and implement a drop-in replacement widget set for OSF Motif. In
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fact, there is a project underway to write an OSF Motif clone.
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--
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* Orhan Unal * Email: unal@uwnuc1.physics.wisc.edu *
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From: roth@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Mark D. Roth)
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Subject: umount problem!
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Date: 3 Oct 1994 20:01:11 GMT
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I just encountered a weird problem with umount. I am using the umount
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that comes with the binary distrib of util-linux-1.10 under linux
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1.1.51. When I mount a floppy and move files to it (the filesystem
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was ext), and then umount it, is SOMETIMES seg-faults. Here's the
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output from the syslog:
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Oct 3 14:37:52 dynamic kernel: Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual address c0000000
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Oct 3 14:37:52 dynamic kernel: current->tss.cr3 = 00b8c000, Zr3 = 00b8c000
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Oct 3 14:37:52 dynamic kernel: *pde = 00102027
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Oct 3 14:37:52 dynamic kernel: *pte = 00000027
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Oct 3 14:37:52 dynamic kernel: Oops: 0000
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Oct 3 14:37:52 dynamic kernel: EIP: 0010:00170f4c
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Oct 3 14:37:52 dynamic kernel: EFLAGS: 00010246
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Oct 3 14:37:52 dynamic kernel: eax: 00170000 ebx: 00000000 ecx: 00000000
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edx: 00170000
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Oct 3 14:37:52 dnamic kernel: esi: 00b5bed4 edi: 00b5bed4 ebp: 00000000
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esp: 00b5bea8
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Oct 3 14:37:52 dynamic kernel: ds: 0018 es: 0018 fs: 002b gs: 002b ss:
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0018
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Oct 3 14:37:52 dynamic kernel: Process umount (pid: 131, process nr: 21, stackpage=00b5b000)
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Oc 3 14:37:52 dynamic kernel: Stack: 001b0200 001b0002 001261a3 00b5bed4 00000000
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Oct 3 14:37:52 dynamic kernel: Code: f6 01 02 74 0d 0f b7 46 10 50 e8 b1 10 fb
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ff 83 c4 04 be 38
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Anyway, I dunno what's causing this. Any ideas? What can I do to fix
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it?
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--
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roth@uiuc.edu | Mark D. Roth | http://www.cen.uiuc.edu/~mr4342/
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(GEEK CODE 2.1) GCS d-- H+ s++:- g+ p1>4+ !au a-- w++@ v-(*)
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C++>$ UL+>++++ P--- L++>+++ 3 E(-) N++ K++ W--- M-- V-
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po Y+ t++@ 5+ !j R-- G tv b+ D+ B--- e+(*) u+@ h>++ f+ r@ n+@ y?
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From: hpa@ahab.eecs.nwu.edu (H. Peter Anvin)
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Subject: Re: Suggestion: comp.os.linux.channelecho.*
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Reply-To: hpa@nwu.edu (H. Peter Anvin)
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Date: Tue, 4 Oct 1994 20:39:45 GMT
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Followup to: <36n1mf$9hj@nyheter.chalmers.se>
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By author: rzm@dain.oso.chalmers.se (Rafal Maszkowski)
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In newsgroup: comp.os.linux.development
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>
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> Thomas E Zerucha (zerucha@shell.portal.com) wrote:
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> > Apparently the only way to communicate with the real developers is via one
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> > of the "channels", e.g. SCSI, LAPTOSP, NET, and others. Is there any easy
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> > way to have the messages echoed in "readonly" newsgroups?
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>
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> There are linux.act.* groups but you have to ask your News administrator
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> to establish a feed. Ask him to contact hpa@nwu.edu. I think they are
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> read-write but I haven't tried yet. Maybe next week (:
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>
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They sure are, if your news administrator has set up your moderators
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file correctly.
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/hpa
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--
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INTERNET: hpa@nwu.edu --- Allah'u'abha ---
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IBM MAIL: I0050052 at IBMMAIL HAM RADIO: N9ITP or SM4TKN
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FIDONET: 1:115/511 or 1:115/512 STORMNET: 181:294/1 or 181:294/101
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This article might have been generated by a buggy newsreader.
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From: mjf@clark.net (Marc Fraioli)
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Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.windows.x.intrinsics
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Subject: Re: What GUI to write for?
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Date: 4 Oct 1994 21:56:07 GMT
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Reply-To: mjf@clark.net
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In article j2r@news.doit.wisc.edu, unal@uwnuc1.physics.wisc.edu (Orhan Unal) writes:
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>Some time ago I believe OSF has made MOTIF API Specifications public. You
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>can go ahead and implement a drop-in replacement widget set for OSF Motif. In
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>fact, there is a project underway to write an OSF Motif clone.
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Yes, I have seen this in the Linux projects FAQ. However, I have not heard
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anything like a status report in quite some time. Is this project still
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alive? Anyone? Bueller?
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---
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Marc Fraioli | "They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist- "
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mjf@clark.net | - Last words of Union General John Sedgwick,
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| Battle of Spotsylvania Court House, U.S. Civil War
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From: ahmed@oea.xs4all.nl (Ahmed Naas)
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Subject: Re: linux-activists@Niksula.hut.fi
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Date: Tue, 4 Oct 1994 10:21:55 GMT
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Steven Buytaert (buytaert@imec.be) wrote:
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: mail to 'linux-activists-request@niksula.hut.fi'
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: no subject given
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: line in body 'X-Mn-Key: leave ppp' for the PPP channel
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: line in body 'X-Mn-Key: leave sound' for the sound channel
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^^^
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Shouldn't that be 'X-Mn-Admin: join|leave <channel>' ?
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--
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The above is a result of random neuron activity in the writer's brain.
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Ahmed M. Naas ahmed@oea.xs4all.nl
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From: dlj0@Lehigh.EDU (DAVID L. JOHNSON)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.help
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Subject: Re: Using Andrew to create and edit HTML docs
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Date: 4 Oct 1994 14:35:36 GMT
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Same thing happens to me:
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10:31:35 /home/dlj0/spreadsheets >Starting ez (Version 7.0, ATK 6.3); please wait...
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[1]+ Segmentation fault ez test.html
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This was after adding the line:
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addfiletype .html html
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to my preferences. Anybody have this working? Terry?
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--
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David L. Johnson dlj0@lehigh.edu or
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Department of Mathematics dlj0@chern.math.lehigh.edu
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Lehigh University
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14 E. Packer Avenue (610) 758-3759
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Bethlehem, PA 18015-3174 (610) 828-3708
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From: tanner@winternet.com (Tanner)
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Subject: Re: What GUI to write for?
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Date: 3 Oct 1994 20:01:20 GMT
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Marten Liebster (mmarten@panix.com) wrote:
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: I want to write a X application or two. At first they would be for
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: personal use, but eventually I might make them availble for the
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: public to use.
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: I am not sure which GUI/toolkit to use. It would be nice to keep it
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: portable to use under various UIs. Do I have to use Xlib? or can I
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: write them using XView?
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: I would appreciate any guidence I could recieve. Thanks for any and
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: all help.
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What about tk? No one has mentioned tk (sure there is tcl, but only tk).
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I am also looking for a widget set to work in. Motif is my first choice,
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but its prices is a factor. I am looking at tk right now. Any comments on
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just tk?
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From: weule@hp817s.rz.uni-duesseldorf.de (Joerg Weule)
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Subject: dds2tar shows bug of gnu-tar
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Date: 4 Oct 1994 15:53:10 +0100
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Hi,
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while using dds2tar I found a bug of gnu tar.
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With 'tar cfRv /dev/null' and 'tar c | tar vRf -' you will get different
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record numbers.
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The new dds2tar will include a patch to correct this. (create.c of tar-1.11.2
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has to be fixed). A patch to direct the verbose output to a file will also
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be included.
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I need some days to make the new release dds2tar-2.1.?.tar.gz.
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J"org
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J"org Weule Mathematisches Institut, Abteilung f"ur Informatik
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Raum: 25.13.00.36 Heinrich-Heine-Universit"at
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Tel.: +49-211-311-3716, priv:+49-211-751409 Universit"atsstra"se 1
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weule@cs.uni-duesseldorf.de D-40225 D"usseldorf
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