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From: Digestifier <Linux-Development-Request@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu>
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To: Linux-Development@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Reply-To: Linux-Development@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Date: Fri, 7 Oct 94 14:13:17 EDT
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Subject: Linux-Development Digest #275
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Linux-Development Digest #275, Volume #2 Fri, 7 Oct 94 14:13:17 EDT
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Contents:
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Re: Enhanced IDE Support (Mark Lord)
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Single host firewalling (Jim Carroll)
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Re: PROBLEM: Adaptec 1542 with SMC-Ultra (Vassili Leonov)
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Re: Linux killed my floppy drive! (John Palaima)
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Re: [Q] SLIP/PPP and modems with large internal buffers (Joe Gray)
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Re: What GUI to write for? (Christian Moen)
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PHILIPS 521 CD-R / Generic SCSI support question (TlingitMan)
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Re: Could TCP/IP be implemented over SCSI? (ted roberts)
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Re: What GUI to write for? (Torgeir Veimo)
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Re: Improving SLIP latency under Linux (Robert Stockmann)
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Re: 1.1.45 config? (Florian Schmidt)
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Re: linux is great (Florian Schmidt)
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Re: Lilo problems > 1GB (Stephen Louis Ulmer)
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Re: Compiling progs using port I/O (Rob Janssen)
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Re: BSD/386 vs. Linux Performance ( Leif Albers)
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From: mlord@bnr.ca (Mark Lord)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
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Subject: Re: Enhanced IDE Support
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Date: 7 Oct 1994 13:05:19 GMT
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In article <3724ed$gtm@kbrown.oldcampus.yale.edu> vince@kbrown.oldcampus.yale.edu writes:
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< Does Linux currently support Enhanced IDE Drives like a Western
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<Digital 1.08 GIG IDE Drive? To support this, is a Enhanced IDE
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<controller required or will a standard IDE Controller do to get the full
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<capacity of the drive under Linux, DOS? Any help will be greatly
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<appreciated.
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Somebody just asked this (twice) within the past four days, and got answers
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already..
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The answer is YES for kernel version 1.1.37 and higher, and NO a special
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controller is not required for drive capacity.
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--
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mlord@bnr.ca Mark Lord BNR Ottawa,Canada 613-763-7482
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From: jimc@e-Commerce.Com (Jim Carroll)
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Subject: Single host firewalling
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Date: 6 Oct 1994 18:06:31 -0500
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Reply-To: jimc@e-Commerce.Com
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Bill Wohler writes:
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> While all the discussion here has been about expensive chokes,
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> filters and bastion hosts, what work, if any, has been done to
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> address the single host, no network, connection?
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Probably very little.
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(I take it from 'no network' you mean "no intermediate network between
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the PC and the Internet".)
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If you're talking about MS-Windows, you probably have little to worry
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about, provided you don't leave any listener processes up. Now,
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there's always the other issues, like if you're using a Web browser
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which isn't well-behaved, etc etc. But you make backups regularly,
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don't you? :-)
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If you're talking about Linux, then it's been done. Things like
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tcp_wrappers, TIS' fwtk, SOCKS, screend, turn off unused daemons, bla
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bla bla....
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If you have Linux users who don't want this extra work, how'd the heck
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did you convince them to use Linux? :-)
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--
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Jim Carroll -- jimc@e-Commerce.Com
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e-Commerce, Inc., 1030 Kamato Road, Suite 201
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Mississauga, Ontario, Canada L4W 4B6
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Tel: +1 905 602 0863 Fax: +1 905 602 8402
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From: vassili@cs.sunysb.edu (Vassili Leonov)
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Subject: Re: PROBLEM: Adaptec 1542 with SMC-Ultra
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Date: 4 Oct 1994 16:05:23 GMT
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Juha Virtanen (Juha.Virtanen@iguana.hut.fi) wrote:
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: >>>>> On 30 Sep 1994 11:51:36 GMT,
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: c4289@rphc2.physik.uni-regensburg.de (Olaf Jaeger) said:
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: :> problem:
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: :> I am using an ISA-Adaptec-1542c and a SCSI-2-HD with an
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: :> ext2-filesystem V. 0.5a on it. From the time that i put a
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: :> SMC-Ultra into the machine, the filesystem on the HD begins to vanish.
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I have exactly 1542 running fine with SMC-Elite - and this is the only
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real true Western Digital 8013 these days. If you have a choice don't
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use SMC-Ultra... - use Elite16 from the same company.
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Vassili.
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From: jolt@gnu.ai.mit.edu (John Palaima)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
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Subject: Re: Linux killed my floppy drive!
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Date: 7 Oct 1994 15:22:50 GMT
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In article <vttoth.135.03BE4714@vttoth.com>,
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Viktor T. Toth <vttoth@vttoth.com> wrote:
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>floppies (i.e., the drive is usually empty, right?). Now that the little
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>cooling fan in the back of your machine pushes air OUT of your computer,
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>correct? Guess where all that air goes in? And guess what is in its way to
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>filter out all the dust, etc? You guessed right; it is very likely the opening>on your floppy drive and your problems can easily be the result of excessive
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>dust and dirt in the drive as a result. Unfortunately, it is not always easy
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>to clean such a drive (i.e., you might have to take it completely apart).
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a few suggestions that might work:
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1) if your BIOS supports it, set your machine to boot from the hard drive.
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Then leave a floppy in the drive all the time :)
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2) if your BIOS doesn't support this, leave a floppy *almost* in the drive
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all the time (i.e. sticking out 1/2 inch for 3.5", leave the door open
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for 5.25" :)
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--
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Richard Cooley Extraordinaire "Yeah. Arrgh."
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rcooley96@dgl.ssc.mass.edu These are my opinions, not MITs etc...
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rcooley@nyx.cs.du.edu Linux Linux Linux Linux Linux
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"LILO - it's not just a boot loader, it's a way of life" -- me
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From: jgray@onramp.net (Joe Gray)
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Crossposted-To: comp.dcom.modems,comp.protocols.tcp-ip,comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc
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Subject: Re: [Q] SLIP/PPP and modems with large internal buffers
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Date: 7 Oct 1994 00:24:53 GMT
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>>Several people, including myself, have modems with large internal
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>>buffers (mine is a supra internal FAXmodem 1.44) which we use
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>>with SLIP and PPP. The problem is, when we start an ftp
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>>download transfer in the background the interactive response
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>>becomes very poor.
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>
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>Also, does anyone have a modem which has a configuration to
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> reduce the send buffer size
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> lower the flow-control bit sooner (when the send buffer
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> reaches x bytes)
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The ZyXEL modems have a data throughput averaging mode which can be disabled.
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With averaging off, you could get very high data bursts at times from the
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modem. They recommend only turning it off if you have a 16550 UART. This
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sounds like what you need, although I have done background ftp with it on
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and have not noticed any slowdown (I do have a 16550).
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====================================================================
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They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
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safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin
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Joe Gray <jgray@onramp.net>
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===========================
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From: christim@beli.ifi.uio.no (Christian Moen)
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Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.intrinsics,gnu.misc.discuss
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Subject: Re: What GUI to write for?
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Date: 07 Oct 1994 14:39:03 GMT
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On 6 Oct 1994 14:09:41 GMT, mkl@rob.cs.tu-bs.de (Mario Klebsch DG1AM) said:
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[clippetyclip]
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> And consistence is made by the programs, not the toolkit.
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Definately no. Xaw is an excellent example of this. When did you last
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use an Xaw based client which was consistent with the look and feel of
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other Xaw clients?
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Xaw lacks a style-guide and programs of more than trivial complexity
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look and feel completely different. This makes them, among other
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things, hard to learn, but often hard to use as well.
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[schnipp]
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> There is a lot more to judje, when speaking about GUIs. I think Motif
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> has focused to much on impressive look and they forgot to implement
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> their own feel.
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Motif is based on the CUA ("Common User Access"). The CUA defines
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user-interface paradigms for a certain feel, based on human-factors
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and man-machine oriented research. The look isn't specified by the
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CUA.
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When you say Motif doesn't have it's own feel, you're right to a
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certain extent; both Mickeysoft Windows and OS/2 Presentation Manager
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use the CUA as a foundation for their user interface as well. Motif
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doesn't have it's own proprietary feel, right, but the authours didn't
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forget to make one, as you seem to suggest. Proprietary feels are
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generally bad.
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Best regards,
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Christian
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--
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/ Christian Moen - christim@ifi.uio.no - http://www.ifi.uio.no/~christim/ \
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\ Fjellbirkeland 21A 114, N-0864 Oslo, Norway - Tel: +47 22 187103 - *<8O) /
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From: tlingitman@aol.com (TlingitMan)
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Subject: PHILIPS 521 CD-R / Generic SCSI support question
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Date: 5 Oct 1994 00:26:12 -0400
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Recently I posted on the `less expert' channels that I have had to do some
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pretty serious backflips without any success in attempt to write CD-ROMs
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on my PHILIPS 521 writer. I'd like to find a FAQ or some sort of
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instruction on how to get (I believe Eric Youngdale's) `cdwrite' software
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to write CD-Rs in Linux.
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My apologies for intervening on the expert channel to get this answered,
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but I'm really stuck on this.
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A response to my original posting was:
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>since you don't say which problems you have building a new kernel, it's
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>hard to say. compiling a new kernel really is straight forward (more or
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less).
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In /usr/src/linux-1.0.9 I did `make config' and selected SCSI generic,
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tape, sr0, and disk driver support for my 1542C, disabling all other SCSI
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host options. I have a SMC 16 bit ethernet card which I enabled in the
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driver, and the rest of the options are straightforward 486DX33 16MB RAM
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selections.
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>IF you have a kernel with `GENERIC SCSI SUPPORT' I'll give you two tips:
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Yes, I have this.
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>- change the vendor string "PHILLIPS" to "IMS" in the cdwrite sources
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I have done this because `dmesg' shows this as the return of an inquiry
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string from the SCSI driver at bootup. Thanks.
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>- the option '-speed 2' for writing with 300k/sec didn't work when I
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tried
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> it with a Philips CDD-521. It wrote about 1 second and aborted with
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> some error msg and the CD-WORM master was broken :-(
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> -speed 1 d(default) for single speed writing worked fine for 6 CDs!
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.
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I had to : cd /dev; MAKEDEV sg
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to make the nodes. Can you look at the major and minor numbers on your
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functioning cdwrite setup and e-mail them to me please?
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it made nodes like `crw- --- ---' (OK - I'm root) for /dev/sga (my only
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SCSI partition /dev/sda1)
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and `crw- --- ---' for /dev/sgb (the device I assume to be my Philips
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Writer.)
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The commands I tried to use were
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cdwrite -speed 1 /dev/sgb < iso.image
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and
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chmod 777 iso.image cdwrite /tmp ./
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cdwrite returns ` [empty] not a supported device' as if the SCSI inquiry
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failed.
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When I try to `cat foo > /dev/sgb' it returns `permission denied'
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Please reply to these questions vi e-mail. I'll post a summary of
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relevant details in comp.os.dev... or somewhere useful.
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I'm developing a few other useful premastering tools and I'll be happy to
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send them gratis if you'll help get me through this rough spot.
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Thank you in advance,
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Tom Zillig
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Tlingitman@aol.com
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From: ted01@pentagon.io.com (ted roberts)
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Subject: Re: Could TCP/IP be implemented over SCSI?
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Date: 6 Oct 1994 19:36:33 -0500
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In article <Cx3G2A.Iwo@info.swan.ac.uk>,
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Alan Cox <iialan@iifeak.swan.ac.uk> wrote:
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>In article <LIM.94Sep27135947@vector.gs.tandem.com> lim@vector.gs.tandem.com (myers_lincoln) writes:
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>> I am asking because I would like to know how viable it would be to add
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>>support to Linux for TCP/IP over SCSI, which might be practical for two or
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>>three machines which already have SCSI support.
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>
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>SCSI has very short cabling limits so even if you can pass data between
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First let me state that I am NOT an expert on SCSI. That been said, I
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was talking to a guy the other day that was telling me about something
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called Near Perfect something-or-other. It's a termination technique of
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some kind that would replace resistors. With this he indicated that he
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had hooked up SCSI chains with seven devices 60-70 feet long. Needless
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to say, this could cast a new light on this discussion. Does anyone know
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about this stuff, and if so, is this accurate? Is there a way to route
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packets via two controllers in one machine? SCSI routers... sounds
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weird. What kind of bandwidth are we talking here?
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>hosts which I think you can it would be ungainly. Given that ethernet
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>boards are getting stupidly cheap now I question its value except as a
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>hacking exercise.
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>
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>> On the lighter side, imagine in addition to Ethernet and SCSInet,
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>>having SoundCardNet. Sound Cards would record each other's audio output from
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>>across the room. True short range wireless communication, though sleeping in
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>>the same building might be difficult. ifconfig /dev/audio up. Hannu, you
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>>ready for this? :)
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>
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>Now that sounds much more fun. Personally if it was getting into building
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>DIY networking an I/R link might be more fun
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>
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>Alan
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>
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>--
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> ..-----------,,----------------------------,,----------------------------,,
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> // Alan Cox // iialan@www.linux.org.uk // GW4PTS@GB7SWN.#45.GBR.EU //
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> ``----------'`----------------------------'`----------------------------''
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From: torgeir@eik.ii.uib.no (Torgeir Veimo)
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Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.intrinsics,gnu.misc.discuss
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Subject: Re: What GUI to write for?
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Date: 7 Oct 1994 14:17:59 GMT
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In article <372ohh$ihb@u.cc.utah.edu>, terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) writes:
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|> 5) There's the window manager. Nobody but OSF has one of these.
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I can't quite agree on this, since I use fvwm every day. It has motif style
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decorations, and to my knowledge does it also understand the motif api
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decoration and menu function hints. And if there is something wrong, you
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could allways hack the code....
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--
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torgeir @ http://www.ii.uib.no/~torgeir/
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From: stock@dutsh7.tudelft.nl (Robert Stockmann)
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Subject: Re: Improving SLIP latency under Linux
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Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 00:12:29 GMT
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I'm not a tcp/ip wizard but I tell my experiences here:
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Some people in our department asked for slip under MS windows at home.
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So I installed the shareware Trumpet winsock software. To my surprise
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this worked very good, well at least comparable with SLIP under Linux.
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My surprise was even bigger that no latency effects are observed
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using Ftp of big files and telnet interactive sessions.
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All of you know what kind of SHELL ms windows is: fire up a bogus app
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and you have to redial to get a new connection, so Linux is for me
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always the way to go.
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But the fact that latency is absent with trumpet winsock unders MS windows
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makes it clear to me that latency-free SLIP must be possible for Linux.
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Robert
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--
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++-------------------------++------------------------------------------++
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|| R.M. Stockmann || Delft University of Technology ||
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|| stock@dutsh7.tudelft.nl || Department of Chemical Engineering ||
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|| phone: +31 15 784395 || Section Industrial Catalysis ||
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|| home: +31 1620 36177 || Julianalaan 136 ||
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|| fax: +31 17 784452 || 2628 BL Delft The Netherlands ||
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From: F.SCHMIDT@BIONIC.zer.de (Florian Schmidt)
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Subject: Re: 1.1.45 config?
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Date: Wed, 05 Oct 1994 23:00:03 +0000
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Rob Janssen (rob@pe1chl.ampr.org) wrote:
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> >I got the 1.1.45 kernel from sunsite (I'm currently running 1.1.19).
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> >There's no config file with it...
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> >Should I use my 1.1.19 configuration?
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> No, you just "make config".
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also do a 'make mrproper' before you try to compile the first time (at least
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i needed to do that, after upgrading)..
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--
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ja! ich bin ein HONK! na und? ..... irc: moses (c u on #germany)
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GMU -d+ -p+ c++ l+ u--- e* m--- s++/+ !n f? g+ w+ t+ r y+
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From: F.SCHMIDT@BIONIC.zer.de (Florian Schmidt)
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Subject: Re: linux is great
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Date: Wed, 05 Oct 1994 23:10:31 +0000
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Supat Faarungsang (supat@nuntana.animal.uiuc.edu) wrote:
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> Hi,
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> After I spend more than 1 year to make 1024x768 work.
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> I found that linux is the greatest unix system to be used.
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> All softwares under linux is advanced and most powerful.
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ok. this seems like a nice thread. i can only say the same things, too
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(except that X-prob). i also think, that linux is a big step into the right
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direction (breaking up software monopolies, and so on), and i also think,
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that it open s up a way for priivate people (who cannot afford sco or
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something similar) to get internet access (which should not be denied to
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anyone)..
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--
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ja! ich bin ein HONK! na und? ..... irc: moses (c u on #germany)
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GMU -d+ -p+ c++ l+ u--- e* m--- s++/+ !n f? g+ w+ t+ r y+
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From: ulmer@sloop.cis.ufl.edu (Stephen Louis Ulmer)
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Subject: Re: Lilo problems > 1GB
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Date: 7 Oct 1994 17:28:20 GMT
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>I'm having some problems when I install lilo from
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>my Fujitsu M2694ESA 1.01 GB HD,
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I'm using that drive on an ncr533c810 under Linux - no problems.
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(barring those with the kernel PCI BIOS code...)
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Stephen
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From: rob@pe1chl.ampr.org (Rob Janssen)
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Subject: Re: Compiling progs using port I/O
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Reply-To: pe1chl@rabo.nl
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Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 08:17:19 GMT
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In <1994Oct7.030740.22704@unlv.edu> ftlofaro@unlv.edu (Frank Lofaro) writes:
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>In article <36hm55Ebnr@uni-erlangen.de> bon@lte.e-technik.uni-erlangen.de (Uwe Bonnes) writes:
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>>Rob Janssen (rob@pe1chl.ampr.org) wrote:
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>>> In <36bmo0$fmg@clarknet.clark.net> nardone@clark.net (Joe Nardone) writes:
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>>> >Hey net-folks--
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>>> >I'm trying to compile a program that uses the inb and outb
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>>> >functions (macros, actually) but when it comes to link time
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>>> >all my inb/outb calls are represented as unresolved references
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>>> >to ___outb (or ___outcb) and ___inb...
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>>
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>>> >Am I missing a library, or a path to one? gcc -v looks like it's
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>>> >looking in all the right places for library files...
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>>> >I'm running GCC 2.5.8 on Linux Kernel 1.1.50 w/ a 486dx2/66.
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>>> >Any help would be much appreciated-
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>>> You have to compile with optimization (-O2)
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>>
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>>Is there some explanation for that behaviour?
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>>--
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>>Uwe Bonnes bon@lte.e-technik.uni-erlangen.de
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>Yes, there is.
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>extern inline is used instead of static inline in the function definitions.
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>This is a Bad Thing. Without optimization, inline is ignored, thus
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>extern inline becomes extern, which means it is not defined. Using static
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>inline would mutate to static when not optimizing, which would still work
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>(it would not be inline of course, but it wouldn't fail to compile, either).
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Of course another solution, which could be more efficient when you compile
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and link many modules together, would be to put the functions that are now
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unresolved in the C library as well. A program compiled with no optimization
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would just call these functions automatically.
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Rob
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| Rob Janssen | AMPRnet: rob@pe1chl.ampr.org |
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| e-mail: pe1chl@rabo.nl | AX.25 BBS: PE1CHL@PI8UTR.#UTR.NLD.EU |
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From: lalbers@dozy.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de ( Leif Albers)
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Subject: Re: BSD/386 vs. Linux Performance
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Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 22:52:32 GMT
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I believe the FAQ of bsd in the comp.os.bsd.announce newsgroup
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contains a pretty fair text comparing Linux and *BSD. I believe
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it was in section 2.1 of this FAQ. Sorry, but I'm too lazy to
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look for this text right now (the main problem is, I don't remember
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how to get old, already read articles with xrn...).
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The main result was (if I'm right):
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If you have a small (harddisk and memory), stand-alone machine --
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use Linux.
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If you have a machine connected to a network with much network
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travel -- use BSD.
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If you are still unshure -- use whatever system your friends use.
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Hope it helps, Leif
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