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From: Digestifier <Linux-Development-Request@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu>
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To: Linux-Development@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Reply-To: Linux-Development@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Date: Sat, 8 Oct 94 15:13:07 EDT
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Subject: Linux-Development Digest #280
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Linux-Development Digest #280, Volume #2 Sat, 8 Oct 94 15:13:07 EDT
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Contents:
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/etc/passwd and /etc/group standards (Gareth McAleese)
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Re: A badly missed feature in gcc (Steven M. Doyle)
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High color (64K) video driver available? (Ching-Tai Chiu)
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Re: ext2fs vs. Berkeley FFS (Donald Becker)
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Re: Orchid Soundwave32 (Paul Gyugyi)
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Re: A badly missed feature in gcc (Rob Janssen)
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Re: Orchid Soundwave32 (Mihail S. Iotov)
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Re: Single host firewalling (Brandon S. Allbery)
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Diamond Viper (Matthew Glenn Foster)
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Re: New Motif lib's for use with XFree 3.1 ? (Adam J. Richter)
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XFree86-3.1 Mach32 server with 512K memory (Matt Domsch)
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Re: Linux Mud (Jeff Kesselman)
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Re: PROBLEM: Adaptec 1542 with SMC-Ultra (Vassili Leonov)
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Re: Could TCP/IP be implemented over SCSI? (Drew Eckhardt)
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Re: What GUI to write for? (Paul Shirley)
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Re: Beautifying Linux/Xfree (Tom Wilson)
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ISDN and Linux (Sam Oscar Lantinga)
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Re: [fdformat] kernel 1.1.52 (Neal Becker)
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From: gareth@benbane.infc.ulst.ac.uk (Gareth McAleese)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.admin
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Subject: /etc/passwd and /etc/group standards
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Date: 8 Oct 1994 14:36:51 GMT
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Reply-To: G.McAleese@ulst.ac.uk
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Hi,
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I have been looking around the FTP sites for information about any standards
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for daemon accounts in /etc/passwd such as bin,sync,news,news,... and also for
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naming of groups such as wheel,root,adm,sys,system,...
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Has there been anything discussed with this. I am quite an experienced linux
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hacker and I am for installing linux from peices rather than from a
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distribution such as slackware, actually I have installed the basic slackware
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set to get me a bootable machine and from here I have started to hack at
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things as we speak X11R6 is recompiling on it.
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Any pointers or suggestions welcome, what entries do commercial versions have
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like SunOS, Solaris, SCO,..., I have access to some other Unix systems.
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Thanks in advance
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Gareth
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--
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Gareth McAleese
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Research Student Phone: +44 (0)265 44141 ext 4702
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University of Ulster at Coleraine Fax: +44 (0)265 40916
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Faculty of Informatics Email: g.mcaleese@ulst.ac.uk
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Cromore Road, Coleraine
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N. Ireland BT52 1SA http://www.infc.ulst.ac.uk/~gareth/
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From: wcreator@kaiwan.com (Steven M. Doyle)
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Subject: Re: A badly missed feature in gcc
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Date: 7 Oct 1994 15:12:34 -0700
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In <373vcn$1da@nz12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> ig25@fg30.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (Thomas Koenig) writes:
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>David Taylor (ddt@idcube.idsoftware.com) wrote in comp.os.linux.development,
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> article <9409231051.AA08511@idcube.idsoftware.com>:
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>>I wish gcc for Linux could handle // comments.
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>I don't ;-)
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>This would break perfectly correct C code, like
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> a = b//* Comment here */ c
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IMHO, that 3would be poor style at best... :) I also miss the // comments and would
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like to see them included in future versions of gcc. They make -- amongt other things --
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removing lines for debugging purposes a lot easier.
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--
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| Steven Doyle, AKA World Creator | #include <std_disclaimer> |
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| Sysop, NETDimension (818)592-6279 | For information on Artificial Worlds |
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| wcreator@kaiwan.com | send email to wcreator@kaiwan.com for |
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| wcreator@axposf.pa.dec.com | an information package. |
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From: cchiu@netcom.com (Ching-Tai Chiu)
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Subject: High color (64K) video driver available?
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Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 05:03:58 GMT
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Are there any high color or true color video drivers available ?
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Or under development? If yes, how can I obtain them?
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Please reply by email, thanks.
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Ching-Tai Chiu
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From: becker@cesdis.gsfc.nasa.gov (Donald Becker)
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Subject: Re: ext2fs vs. Berkeley FFS
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Date: 7 Oct 1994 19:06:25 -0400
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In article <MIKE.94Oct2203111@dogmatix.cs.uoregon.edu>,
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Mike Haertel <mike@dogmatix.cs.uoregon.edu> wrote:
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>The Linux community may sneer at synchronous inode updates, but under
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>BSD ffs I have never lost a file, which is more than I can say for
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>ext2fs, which has cost me a whole partition at least once, simply
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>due to its overoptimistic buffering.
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Are you certain you didn't have a hardware problem with the disk?
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While I can't say for certain that I've never lost a file, the ext2 has had
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an amazingly good record on my machine.
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For seven months I ran ext2 on my home machine. "No big deal" I can hear
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you say, "I've run machines for months without losing a file as well."
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While developing the ethercard drivers -- that's the kind of use where the
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machine crashes a lot, and it usually crashes at a really bad time (like in
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the middle of a file transfer). "Urrrmmm" you say "I'm slightly impressed,
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but 'fsck' should fix that baby right up". Ahhh, but the point is I didn't
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run 'fsck' on that disk for the whole seven months! (It slowed the reboot
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too much.) Now that the 'clean' bit is implemented I do now run 'fsck' on
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every reboot, although I rarely crash my machine any more.
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In contrast I had to install SunOS on a new Sparc. Recent Suns come with a
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FFS already on the disk, with a setup program that tries to load the whole
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OS from a CD-ROM or the network. Well, someone had turned on the Sun,
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probably to make certain that it wasn't broken during shipping, and then
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switched it off. That was enough to completely destroy the filesystem with
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the fancy setup program, forcing me to do horrible low-level things that
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were only described in the not-yet-readable CD-ROM AnswerBook.
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--
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Donald Becker becker@cesdis.gsfc.nasa.gov
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USRA-CESDIS, Center of Excellence in Space Data and Information Sciences.
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Code 930.5, Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, MD. 20771
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301-286-0882 http://cesdis.gsfc.nasa.gov/pub/people/becker/whoiam.html
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From: pjg@tesla.esl.com (Paul Gyugyi)
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Subject: Re: Orchid Soundwave32
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Date: 07 Oct 1994 22:56:03 GMT
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In article <CxBDK2.G6n@cosy.sbg.ac.at> chris@cosy.sbg.ac.at (Christian Linhart) writes:
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Has anyone succeeded in getting an Orchid Soundwave32 run under
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Linux ? I tried to but failed.
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I sort of have it running.
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BTW, Analog Devices sells a development kit for programming the SW32
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to do dsp processing (~$500). You could use the card to, for example,
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do robotic-type control, using the card's shared memory to send
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commands from a linux process to the control program running
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on the sw32. Personnally, I'd love to set it up as a ray-trace
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accelerator, but have my doubts about it being suitable for
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anything but trivial matrix multiplications. Note that the
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development toolkit runs under DOS, and you'd have to either write
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your own DSP code loader under linux or do the DOS-boot-shuffle as
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described below above to initialize your custom code.
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The docs claim the card to be compatible with, among others,
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Soundblaster but they say that the compatibility is invoked by the
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dos or windoze driver loading some code to the DSP of the soundcard
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which means bad luck for Linux I think :-(.
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The trick is to first boot DOS, run SW32.EXE to load the dsp code into
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the card's shared ram; Optionally run windows to run the mixer
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program to adjust volume levels, exit windows; then do a WARM
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(Ctrl-Alt-Del) reboot of the system and boot linux. The card should
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now be recognized and work like a Sound Blaster (not SB16).
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Doing a cold reboot or power cycle will clear the sw32 dsp chip's
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ram, preventing it from emulating a sound blaster.
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Others on the net have reported using LOADLIN to make the DOS->Linux
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transition. I, for reasons too stupid to explain, have to do a floppy
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shuffle from my dos boot disk to my Linux boot disk. But I rarely
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reboot, so can't complain too much.
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I tried to get the SW32 recognized as a 16 bit MS Sound System compatible
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card by the new voxware drivers (to play doom). No luck. I can cat
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to /dev/audio, but doom's sndserver says I don't have the voxware
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drivers installed.
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--
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=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=
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| Paul Gyugyi scrabble...click...snap... |
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| gyugyi@earthsea.stanford.edu Paul_Gyugyi@smtp.esl.com |
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=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=
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From: rob@pe1chl.ampr.org (Rob Janssen)
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Subject: Re: A badly missed feature in gcc
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Reply-To: pe1chl@rabo.nl
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Date: Sat, 8 Oct 1994 09:05:26 GMT
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In <wcreator.781567812@kaiwan009> wcreator@kaiwan.com (Steven M. Doyle) writes:
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>In <373vcn$1da@nz12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> ig25@fg30.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (Thomas Koenig) writes:
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>>David Taylor (ddt@idcube.idsoftware.com) wrote in comp.os.linux.development,
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>> article <9409231051.AA08511@idcube.idsoftware.com>:
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>>>I wish gcc for Linux could handle // comments.
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>>I don't ;-)
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>>This would break perfectly correct C code, like
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>> a = b//* Comment here */ c
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>IMHO, that 3would be poor style at best... :) I also miss the // comments and would
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>like to see them included in future versions of gcc. They make -- amongt other things --
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>removing lines for debugging purposes a lot easier.
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It has always amazed me how many people try to remove pieces of coding for
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debugging purposes using "comment" constructs...
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This may be required in other languages, but is not in C. C compilers
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traditionally have had the luxury of the pre-processor, so you can just
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use:
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#if 0
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#endif
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or:
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#ifdef DEBUG
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#endif
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to exclude lines and blocks of code. These nest well, and can even be made
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easily controllable from the compile command line and/or from makefiles,
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includefiles etc.
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Just don't use comments for a purpose they weren't intended for.
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Rob
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--
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| Rob Janssen | AMPRnet: rob@pe1chl.ampr.org |
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| e-mail: pe1chl@rabo.nl | AX.25 BBS: PE1CHL@PI8UTR.#UTR.NLD.EU |
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From: iotov@cco.caltech.edu (Mihail S. Iotov)
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Subject: Re: Orchid Soundwave32
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Date: 7 Oct 1994 23:34:40 GMT
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chris@cosy.sbg.ac.at (Christian Linhart) writes:
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>Has anyone succeeded in getting an Orchid Soundwave32 run under
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>Linux ? I tried to but failed.
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>The docs claim the card to be compatible with, among others,
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>Soundblaster but they say that the compatibility is invoked by the
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>dos or windoze driver loading some code to the DSP of the soundcard
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>which means bad luck for Linux I think :-(.
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Yes, that is the answer. Yet some people have gotten it to work, buy first
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running DOS, loading the driver and then warm booting linux. Still in their
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words the sound quality had been nothing to write home about.
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>I configured and compiled the kernel with Soundblaster support and
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>the same DMA/IRQ-Settings as used under DOS/Windoze but it doesn't
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>work :-(. cat /dev/sndstat showes a Soundblaster driver to be installed
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>but cat anything >/dev/audio just shows "no such device or address".
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>Oh, and the kernel I used is version 1.0.9.
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>Thanks in advance for any input on this subject,
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>Chris
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>--
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>Christian Linhart (chris@cosy.sbg.ac.at),
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>Student of Computer Science & Math at Salzburg University (Austria, Europe)
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>"Linux is a movement, a philosophy, where programmers and technical people
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>take control of their own destiny." Tim Bass in comp.os.linux.misc
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From: bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery)
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Subject: Re: Single host firewalling
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Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 01:54:08 GMT
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In article <199410061722.KAA08285@newt.com>, Bill Wohler <wohler@newt.com> says:
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+---------------
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| [This note sent to firewalls@greatcircle.com and cc'd to
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| comp.os.linux.development]
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| possible to firewall my (Linux) host at home which is directly
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| connected to the Internet via SLIP (or PPP).
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| While all the discussion here has been about expensive chokes,
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| filters and bastion hosts, what work, if any, has been done to
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| address the single host, no network, connection?
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+------------->8
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One could filter SLIP or PPP links by attaching them via JNOS or WAMPES and
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using IP ACCESS/TCP ACCESS. A SLIP link between the kernel and *NOS would
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then attach the "firewall-box" (akin to a DOS-box) to the native networking.
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At least some of the commercial routers that have firewall capability are
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basically dedicated KA9Q boxes, so the only difference would be that the
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"router firewall" would not require separate hardware.
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This is, of course, only one potential solution.
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++Brandon
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Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH [44.70.4.88] bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org
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Linux development: iBCS2, JNOS, MH ~\U
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Daily dreading Nehemiah Scudder^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HRush Limbaugh
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From: fosterm5@egr.msu.edu (Matthew Glenn Foster)
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Subject: Diamond Viper
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Date: 8 Oct 1994 14:18:27 GMT
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I could use some help getting Xfree and Diamond Viper working in harmony.
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If anyone can help out there PLEASE LEAVE ME SOME MAIL AT :
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ak521@leo.nmc.edu
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Thank you.
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From: adam@yggdrasil.com (Adam J. Richter)
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Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.i386unix
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Subject: Re: New Motif lib's for use with XFree 3.1 ?
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Date: 8 Oct 1994 00:08:57 GMT
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In article <373opj$2nt@winx03.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de>,
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Frank Hofmann <cip574@wpax01.physik.uni-wuerzburg.de> wrote:
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>I knowe you'r not the correct one (are you ?), but my mailer tells me
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>'metrolink.com: Host unknown', so I think you might tell me (or forward
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>this to someone who can).
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>I've got Metrolink Motif 1.2.3 for Linux. It relies on the old shared libs,
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>so I cannot use X11R6 features in my Motif programs. I have to link them
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>with the old ones. So do you know if Metrolink is planning an upgrade ?
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>thanks, and best regards.
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>
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>Frank
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I'm kind of curious why XFree86 decided to use an incompatible
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major version number for shared libraries under Linux, requiring all
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programs that were linked against X11R5 to be rebuilt. We had an X11R6
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beta release that used a downward compatible version version number for
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its shared libraries and seemed to work fine with the R5 binaries that
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we tried. That release, including the jump files, was FTPable from
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ftp.yggdrasil.com:pub/software_dist/X11R6-pl3.beta1/, and I know
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that XFree86 was aware of the release. Nevertheless, I'm glad
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that XFree86 finally released 3.1.
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--
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Adam J. Richter Yggdrasil Computing, Incorporated
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(408) 261-6630 "Free Software For The Rest of Us."
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From: mdomsch@dellgate.us.dell.com (Matt Domsch)
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Subject: XFree86-3.1 Mach32 server with 512K memory
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Date: 8 Oct 94 00:27:01 GMT
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Does anyone know why the Mach32 X server will not run with a virtual
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resolution less than 1024? As I only have 512K video memory I would
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like to use a 640x480x8 video mode. Examining the Mach32 X server
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source code file mach32.c, I found:
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if ((mach32VirtX) < 1024) {
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ErrorF("mach32 X server requires virtual screen width >= 1024\n");
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xf86DisableIOPorts(mach32InfoRec.scrnIndex);
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return(FALSE);
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}
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This explains why the X server exits with an error, but doesn't
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explain WHY this 1024 limit is imposed. Any ideas?
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Immediately following this routine is the code to set the MEM_SIZE
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value, and that code allows for a MEM_SIZE_512K value, so it should be
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legal, right??
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For further information, I've got ATI68800AX video on the motherboard.
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Any help would be appreciated.
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Thanks,
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Matt
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Matt Domsch Dell Computer Corporation
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Associate Software Engineer Dell Product Group
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Subsystems Engineering Advanced Systems
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2214 W. Braker Lane
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luigi@mit.edu Austin, TX 78758
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mdomsch@dellgate.us.dell.com (512) 728-0305 work
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Matt_Domsch@ccmail.us.dell.com (512) 728-8349 FAX
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http://www.mit.edu:8001/people/luigi/home.html
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From: jeffpk@netcom.com (Jeff Kesselman)
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Subject: Re: Linux Mud
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Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 05:47:01 GMT
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In article <36vpd5$spd@tut.msstate.edu>,
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Stormy Henderson <Stormy@Grand.Mother.Com> wrote:
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>francis@VIOLET.uthscsa.edu (Scott Francis) writes:
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>
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> Is there a mud developed for Linux and if so is it possible for me to get
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> the source or compiler version of it?
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>
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>I've compiled and run Merc 2.2 and ROM 2.3 with very little porting. Both
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>version required only commenting out a few lines of code that Linux doesn't
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>support, and ran beautifully.
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>
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>Be happy...
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>
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>
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>- Stormy the happinator "The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ
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> Moves on: nor all your Piety nor Wit
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> Reply to: Shall lure it back to cancel half a line,
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> Stormy@Grand.Mother.Com Nor all your Tears wash out a Word of it."
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>
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And both LambdaMOO and ColdMUD compile straight as destributed.
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(I'm workign on Coldmud extensions right now on my Linux box.)
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Jeff kesselman
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From: vassili@cs.sunysb.edu (Vassili Leonov)
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Subject: Re: PROBLEM: Adaptec 1542 with SMC-Ultra
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Date: 7 Oct 1994 23:32:28 GMT
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Michael Krause (mkrause@TechFak.Uni-Bielefeld.DE) wrote:
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: Vassili Leonov (vassili@cs.sunysb.edu) wrote:
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: : real true Western Digital 8013 these days. If you have a choice don't
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: : use SMC-Ultra... - use Elite16 from the same company.
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: : Vassili.
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: I used to have a SMC Elite 16 before I switched to the SMC Elite Ultra 16.
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: Both are running with no problems at all with my AHA-1542 C.
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This is true for Linux - though I had problems at 0.99 - where as
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for more sensitive commercial stuff like Interactive Unix Ultra16
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is not good... Thus - since there is no proven bnefits of uning Ultra...
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don't use it...
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Vassili.
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From: drew@frisbee.cs.Colorado.EDU (Drew Eckhardt)
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Subject: Re: Could TCP/IP be implemented over SCSI?
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Date: 7 Oct 1994 01:30:48 GMT
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In article <37256h$kc1@pentagon.io.com>,
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ted roberts <ted01@pentagon.io.com> wrote:
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>In article <Cx3G2A.Iwo@info.swan.ac.uk>,
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>Alan Cox <iialan@iifeak.swan.ac.uk> wrote:
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>>In article <LIM.94Sep27135947@vector.gs.tandem.com> lim@vector.gs.tandem.com (myers_lincoln) writes:
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>>> I am asking because I would like to know how viable it would be to add
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>
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>First let me state that I am NOT an expert on SCSI. That been said, I
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>was talking to a guy the other day that was telling me about something
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>called Near Perfect something-or-other. It's a termination technique of
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>some kind that would replace resistors.
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Forced perfect. Basically, you run a voltage regulator on each end of
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every signal line.
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>With this he indicated that he
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>had hooked up SCSI chains with seven devices 60-70 feet long. Needless
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>to say, this could cast a new light on this discussion. Does anyone know
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about this stuff, and if so, is this accurate?
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The distance is a crap-shoot if it's single ended, but differential is
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spec'd to that distance.
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>Is there a way to route packets via two controllers in one machine?
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I don't see why not.
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SCSI routers... sounds
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>weird. What kind of bandwidth are we talking here?
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10M/sec. Of course, with 100baseT a reality, I'm not sure how useful
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it would be.
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--
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Since our leaders won't respect The Constitution, the highest law of our
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country, you can't expect them to obey lesser laws of any country.
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Boycott the United States until this changes.
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Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.intrinsics,gnu.misc.discuss
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From: PS@teeny.demon.co.uk (Paul Shirley)
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Subject: Re: What GUI to write for?
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Reply-To: PS@teeny.demon.co.uk
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Date: Sat, 8 Oct 1994 01:11:33 +0000
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"Mario Klebsch DG1AM" writes:
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>One main point agains Motif in my opinion is that I want a GUI
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>(Grafical User Interface). The Motif specification is full of Keyboard
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>User Interface (I do not think of shortcuts). Every Motif program has
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>to be usable without a mouse. This leads to jumping default buttons
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>and lots of other strange things. Why are there functions like move
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>and resize in the menu in the upper left corner? To be used with
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>keyboard UI? Or, because the graphical resize UI is to hard to use?
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>The corners are to small to hit on first try?
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>
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>Does this still sound like a good GUI?
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>
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PLEASE don't abandon keyboard support in GUIs. Without it I would now be
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suffering severe RSI from using a mouse all day
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Pointing devices are essential for some things and great for getting
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started on a new GUI. After that give me keyboard commands.
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The important thing is to make them consistent and optional. Equally the
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pointing interface should be consistent and optional.
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We ought to be looking for the best of both world *not* trying to ignore
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one interface in favour of another.
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--
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Paul Shirley: Defender of the Sacred Beans
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From: ctwilson@mercury.interpath.net (Tom Wilson)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
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Subject: Re: Beautifying Linux/Xfree
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Date: 7 Oct 1994 21:54:34 -0400
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In article <372tg0$1ai@huron.eel.ufl.edu>,
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Alexandra Griffin <acg@kzin.cen.ufl.edu> wrote:
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:In article <1994Oct5.141142.773@muvms6>,
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:Andy Bailey <bailey9@muvms6.wvnet.edu> wrote [in c.o.l.misc]:
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:>[...]
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:>
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[...CHOMP...]
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:
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:1) A mouse-driven tool for setting common X resource preferences would
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:be *very* helpful, even for experienced users (kind of a big project,
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:I know). Hewlett-Packard workstations include this as part of the
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:HP-VUE desktop-- you can adjust window colors, background pixmaps,
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:speaker pitch & volume, screensaver status, etc. from a "control
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:panel"-like utility. There are too many things under X that can be
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:configured only from the command line, which is not good (ideally both
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:a good GUI and command-line way of setting each option should exist).
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Perhaps, but HP-VUE is Motif-based, and, just in case you haven't noticed,
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*it's a resource hog*. You're probably running with at least 32 megs
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of memory on a nice PA-Risc workstation, which is quite a bit more
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powerful than an Intel box. I'm not saying your ideas are bad, but I
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couldn't *stand* using VUE 3.0 with less than 32 megs...I had to for
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a while with 24 megs, and it simply *sucked*. (twm & tvtwm were starting
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to look awfully attractive ;-)
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: An extension of this idea might involve using GetWidetTree
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:calls to a selected application to find out what resources can be set
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:(like editres does), filtering out those that are obviously used only
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:internally, and providing some kind of nice front-end for altering
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:these (and saving them to .Xdefaults, which would be automatically
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:"xrdb -load'ed" on exiting the preferences tool). HP-VUE even allows
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:some things to be changed on the fly in already-running clients, but I
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:think support for this has to be specially compiled into each client.
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:Maybe a drop-in replacement for some of the X shared libraries could
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:allow existing binaries to support this, though?
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:
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:2) A better X file manager than what's currently out there (xfm &
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:xfilemanager are nice but not as easy to configure, easy to use, or
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:generally polished as one might like). Maybe something that provided
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more and more resources....
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:essentially the same functionality as Mouseless Commander (the
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:text-based Norton Commander clone), but with a mouse-driven GUI? (&
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:provisions for icons if desired, scrollbars on the dual file selection
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:lists, real pulldown menus-- leave in the command line at the bottom,
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:though!).
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:
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[CHOMP]
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:
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:3) Another idea from HP-VUE... this environment features a "console
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:bar" area at the bottom of the screen, containing buttons to switch
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:virtual desktops, invocation icons for commonly-used apps, small icons
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I've been toying with somthing quite similar using fvwm and xfm...the
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functionality is quite similar if you don't mind using fvwm's virtual
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desktops.
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:for system functions (logging out...), and space for a clock,
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:calendar, Xload bargraph, & other stuff. The appearance of the bar is
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:very professional, with little beveled insets for each item. I'm
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more and more resources....
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[CHOMP]
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--
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/-----------------------------------------------------------------------\
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| Tom Wilson | "I can't complain, but sometimes |
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| ctwilson@rock.concert.net | I still do." |
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| | -Joe Walsh |
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From: slouken@cs.ucdavis.edu (Sam Oscar Lantinga)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.dcom.isdn
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Subject: ISDN and Linux
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Date: 7 Oct 1994 21:24:50 GMT
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Reply-To: felix@sbei.com
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|
My company is probably going to pay for a residential ISDN
|
|
installation at home, and I would be a fool to not look into this. I
|
|
have a PC at home, running the usual DOS/Windows crap, and also
|
|
running Linux (yay!). DigiBoard has announced a product called
|
|
DataFire (maybe DigiFire, I always get confoozed here) which runs
|
|
2B+D, has an ODI interface, PPP support. Their slick says they
|
|
support Windows for Workgroups 3.1.1, but makes no mention of Windows
|
|
3.1.
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|
|
I have also found that psi.com has an ISDN dialup Internet service,
|
|
running both with their software under Windows (great for the kids)
|
|
and under PPP (but not "certified" to work with Linux, only SUN,
|
|
HP-UX, a couple like that). This service costs $29 a month for 29
|
|
hours connect time. Hey! this caught my attention.
|
|
|
|
On a side note, as much as I personally hate Windows, it is a lot
|
|
easier for the kids, and I don't object at all to having a Windows
|
|
Internet interface for them. Especially since there are many Windows
|
|
programs they use for school essays and such, I don't see any need to
|
|
force them to use Linux. But I personally want Linux, if for no other
|
|
reason thn that I can work at home once in a while.
|
|
|
|
So here are my questions:
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|
|
|
1. What can people tell me in general about home ISDN, that I
|
|
probably haven't already found out from PacBell?
|
|
|
|
2. WHat does this ODI interface mean to me and Linux? Is this a
|
|
standard hardware interface, for which Linux drivers already exist?
|
|
Or are there easily modifiable drivers?
|
|
|
|
3. What the heck is WIndows for Workgroups 3.1.1, and would those
|
|
drivers probably work with Windows 3.1?
|
|
|
|
4. What the heck, let me ask again for any general information. You
|
|
probably can not send me too much basic information; I can always toss
|
|
it.
|
|
|
|
My friend is psoting this for me; I haven't got news access, so please
|
|
REPLY rather than FOLLOWUP. I will of course accumulate replies and
|
|
send him a summary to post.
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===================
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... _._. ._ ._. . _._. ._. ___ .__ ._. . .__. ._ .. ._.
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Felix Finch, scarecrow repairer / felix@sbei.com
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PGP = 23 2E BD 2D 7C 3B D9 1E 9C 51 23 C1 57 04 2E C3
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From: neal@ctd.comsat.com (Neal Becker)
|
|
Subject: Re: [fdformat] kernel 1.1.52
|
|
Date: 08 Oct 1994 01:22:38 GMT
|
|
|
|
You're right! I got IOCTRL error with fdformat also.
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