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From: Digestifier <Linux-Development-Request@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu>
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To: Linux-Development@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Reply-To: Linux-Development@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Date: Sat, 8 Oct 94 19:13:06 EDT
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Subject: Linux-Development Digest #281
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Linux-Development Digest #281, Volume #2 Sat, 8 Oct 94 19:13:06 EDT
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Contents:
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floppy: Can we add another "standard" floppy type? (Kaz Sasayama)
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dump/restore backup program? (Roger C. Pao)
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Re: PCMCIA with driver won't work (Roger C. Pao)
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Linux a part of GNU gnow? (Mark A. Horton KA4YBR)
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Re: 3c503 problem (Greg Bruell)
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Re: Improving SLIP latency under Linux (John Richardson)
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Re: Beautifying Linux/Xfree ("Eric Jeschke")
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Re: Unable to find XF86-3.1-lib.tar.gz with correct sum. (Matti Aarnio)
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PROBLEM: Pentium-66 & Kernel (Carlo Hamalainen)
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Re: [Bug?] S3 805 Only In 80x25 (Carlo Hamalainen)
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Re: Beautifying Linux/Xfree (Albert Hui)
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Re: What GUI to write for? (Terry Lambert)
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Re: What GUI to write for? (Miles Bader)
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Re: ext2fs vs. Berkeley FFS (Andrew R. Tefft)
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Re: Xfree 3.1 and SPEA MirageP64 (Linux) (Norbert Distler)
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Re: Linux For Mac :( (Myles Williams)
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Re: BSD/386 vs. Linux Performance (William Seppeler)
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From: kaz@lilia.iijnet.or.jp (Kaz Sasayama)
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Subject: floppy: Can we add another "standard" floppy type?
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Date: Sat, 8 Oct 1994 03:42:17 GMT
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There is an obsolescent but "standard" 5.25 (and 3.5 if hardware
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supports) 2HD DOS format in Japan. Can we add its support into the
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kernel?
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FYI, the following set of params has proved to work with the format
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from a couple of tests on kernel 1.1.49:
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2464 16 2 77 0 0x35 0x08 0xDF 0x74
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--
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Kaz Sasayama, a Nagoyan X68000 user.
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-- "May the source be with you!"
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From: rpao@paonet.org (Roger C. Pao)
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Subject: dump/restore backup program?
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Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 15:30:40 GMT
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I heard there was work on porting dump & restore to Linux. Any idea
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where I might get a copy to test?
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rp94
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--
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Roger C. Pao <rpao@paonet.org>
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From: rpao@paonet.org (Roger C. Pao)
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Subject: Re: PCMCIA with driver won't work
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Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 05:00:20 GMT
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masc1495@ucssun1.sdsu.edu (Mark Steele) writes:
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>I am using a toshiba 1910 with a megahertz pcmcia modem. I downloaded the
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>set of drivers (pcmcia-2.2), upgraded my kernel to 1.1.49, and installed the
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>new module utilites.
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>When I start the machine, the card manager is started. It finds the modem,
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>and creates the symbolic link to /dev/modem. However, if i try to access it,
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>through seyon, minicom, or using echo atd > /dev/modem, all I hear are clicks
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>from the speaker. I can get any response from the modem (no OK, no ERROR). If
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>anyone has any better luck or clues, I would appreciate it.
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I'm not using the MHz modem, but I don't think that's important since they
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use the same driver. Try 'cu -l /dev/modem'. I'm using a New Media 14.4
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fax modem if that makes any difference.
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rp94
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--
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Roger C. Pao <rpao@paonet.org>
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From: mah@ka4ybr.com (Mark A. Horton KA4YBR)
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Subject: Linux a part of GNU gnow?
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Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 13:41:02 GMT
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What GNU Tutorials would you attend? No responses
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rms@gnu.ai.mit.edu Richard Stallman
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We are thinking of having a GNU technical seminar in Cambridge,
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Massachusetts next April or May. One day will be a series of talks,
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mostly technical overviews; the following day we are thinking of
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having tutorials. Tentatively we plan to charge $300 for the day of
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talks, and $180 for each half day tutorial (students 1/4 price).
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(These prices may change; consider them order-of-magnitude estimates.)
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The funds raised, beyond the cost of the seminar itself, will go to
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support GNU development.
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To plan the tutorials, we need to find out what tutorial topics people
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are interested in. Here are the topics we are thinking about.
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* Emacs Lisp programming.
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* Advanced Emacs editing.
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* Hurd programming.
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* Using GNU Make, Bison, and Flex.
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* Writing documentation in Texinfo.
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* The Linux kernel. <====== !!!!
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* Using Autoconf to write portable programs.
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* Porting GCC.
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If you think you would actually attend one or more of these tutorials,
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please send mail to gnu-tutorials@gnu.ai.mit.edu and tell us which
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ones. We'll use the response to figure out which tutorials to offer,
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and how to schedule them.
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What happened to HURD?
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Is Linux now THE kernel supported by GNU?
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What's Gnowing Gon Gnow?
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Have I been asleep?
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I'm so confused......
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- Mark
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--
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"Linux! Guerrilla UNIX Development Venimus, Vidimus, Dolavimus."
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============================================================
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Mark A. Horton ka4ybr mah@ka4ybr.atlanta.com
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P.O. Box 747 Decatur GA US 30031-0747 mah@ka4ybr.atl.ga.us
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+1.404.371.0291 : 33 45 31 N / 084 16 59 W mah@ka4ybr.com
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From: gbruell@wellfleet.com (Greg Bruell)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
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Subject: Re: 3c503 problem
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Date: 8 Oct 1994 18:28:58 GMT
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I'm seeing the same problem with:
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1.1.51, P60
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I've checked /var/adm/notice and /proc/net/dev and there is no
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further information. I gave a quick glance at the driver and it
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doesn't look like it logs much. I'm using the internal transciever.
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The card and drop have been independently verified as functional.
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Is anyone else seeing this with 1.1.?? ?
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Gregory Bruell
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Wellfleet Communications, Inc.
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Donald Becker (becker@cesdis.gsfc.nasa.gov) wrote:
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: In article <36bl8pINNqsc@diable.upc.es>, Davyd Luque <davyd@si.upc.es> wrote:
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: >I've an 386 with ASTFOURPORTS, Adaptec SCSI, IDE controller & standard RS, and
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: >a 3c503 ethernet card.
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: >
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: >boot info:
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: >
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: > 3c503 probe at 0x300: 02 60 8C 3F 60 6A
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: > eth0: 3C503 with shared memory at 0xdc000-0xddfff,
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: >eth0 Link encap 10Mbps Ethernet HWaddr 02:60:8C:3F:60:6A
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: ...
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: > RX packets 0 errors 27 dropped 0 overrun 0
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: > TX packets 20 errors 0 dropped 0 overrun 0
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: Look in /proc/net/dev (and perhaps /usr/adm/messages) for the specific type
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: of error you are getting.
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: Are you connected to the net by the internal transceiver (the default under
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: Linux) or an external transceiver? That's often the cause of problems with
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: the 3c503.
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: --
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: Donald Becker becker@cesdis.gsfc.nasa.gov
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: USRA-CESDIS, Center of Excellence in Space Data and Information Sciences.
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: Code 930.5, Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, MD. 20771
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: 301-286-0882 http://cesdis.gsfc.nasa.gov/pub/people/becker/whoiam.html
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From: jrichard@cs.uml.edu (John Richardson)
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Subject: Re: Improving SLIP latency under Linux
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Date: 6 Oct 1994 22:22:16 GMT
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In article <36tu72$nis@ulowell.uml.edu>,
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John Richardson <jrichard@cs.uml.edu> wrote:
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>
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>Ah, I have a (sigh) Supra FAXmodem 14.4 (internal). This has an
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>internal 2k recieve buffer, I don't know of any way to turn it off
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>though.
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supra informs me that you can't turn this off.
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>Anyway, in some more non-scientific testing, my patch brought
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>ping times from 2000ms to 450ms during ftp sesions.
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>
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Drat. It looks like it was just a high load on the remote
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machine which brought down the ping times (with a TOS low
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delay modified ping). So, it looks like I'm back to square one.
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I'm thinking of testing winsock to see if this happens under
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windows too.
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>Is anyone using a standard kernel with SLIP and finding interactive
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>response to be OK while downloading?
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>
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This question still stands.
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--
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John Richardson
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jrichard@cs.uml.edu
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
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From: "Eric Jeschke" <jeschke@cs.indiana.edu>
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Subject: Re: Beautifying Linux/Xfree
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Date: Sat, 8 Oct 1994 10:32:32 -0500
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[snip, snip]
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:>Some ideas along this line that I've thought about:
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:>
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:>1) A mouse-driven tool for setting common X resource preferences would
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:>be *very* helpful, even for experienced users (kind of a big project,
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:>I know).
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:I don't think this is too hard, and it is a good idea.
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:
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Hmmm, something along the lines of editres or viewres? These come
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with the standard X distribution. Check them out. They have the
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option of writing your choices to file.
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:>3) Another idea from HP-VUE... this environment features a "console
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:>bar" area at the bottom of the screen, containing buttons to switch
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:>virtual desktops, invocation icons for commonly-used apps, small icons
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:>for system functions (logging out...), and space for a clock,
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:>calendar, Xload bargraph, & other stuff.
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:Again, GREAT -- along with what you can do with .xinitrc, can do this. There
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:is also another program out there that does things like this. Can't
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:remember the name, but check them out as they show up.
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Also, fwvm pager + modules do most of these things.
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:Much of your suggestions are really already available, and I don't see any
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:interest in somehow standardizing them. Making such bells&whistles available
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:is one thing, making them ubiquitous is another. Don't just assume that,
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:if it isn't in slackware, it's not available.
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If there was a default "standard" GUI available on most distributions
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it would be possible to write a introduction to Linux (a la Welch)
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from a GUI perspective. Whether this is a good idea or not depends on
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your ideas about how to teach Unix. IMHO, I think you can wean newbies
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off of the mainstream PC OSes more easily with a good GUI and then let
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them gradually cut their teeth with more and more command-line.
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In short, I think the original poster's idea is good, but he should
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definitely look around first and consolidate as much "good stuff" that
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is already available as possible. It might be a good idea to make a
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GUI "mini-distribution" (package) that just contains a standardized
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GUI setup (GREAT + fvwm + customized *rc files + selected GUI apps).
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My .02c
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--
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Eric Jeschke | Indiana University
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jeschke@cs.indiana.edu | Computer Science Department
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From: mea@utu.fi (Matti Aarnio)
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Subject: Re: Unable to find XF86-3.1-lib.tar.gz with correct sum.
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Date: Sat, 8 Oct 1994 17:53:35 GMT
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kevin@rodin.wustl.edu (Kevin Ruland) writes:
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>I've searched the world over to find the X11R6 libs and can't find one
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>with the correct checksum. gunzip even pukes on it. It seems okay
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>up to ./lib/libX11.so.6
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>
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>I've tried the following sites:
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>x.physics.su.oz.au
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>xfree86.cdrom.com
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>sunsite.unc.edu
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>ftp.xfree86.org
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>tsx-11.mit.edu
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>Were's the good one.
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The new updated version (good one) is at ftp.xfree86.org, and
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at least on ftp.funet.fi -- propably an all the mirrors soon.
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There was a truncated version...
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>Kevin Ruland
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>kevin@rodin.wustl.edu
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/Matti Aarnio <mea@utu.fi>
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From: carlo@ozspace.brisnet.org.au (Carlo Hamalainen)
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Subject: PROBLEM: Pentium-66 & Kernel
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Date: Sat, 8 Oct 1994 10:20:26 GMT
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Hello All,
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I've been having alot of problems with recompiling a new kernel
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with my Pentium-66.
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Computer Details: P5-66, 16 Mb RAM, PCI S3 Vision864, serial and paralel and
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IDE onboard, 520 Mb IDE (and a 260 IDE).
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Software: Slackware 1.2.0, gcc 2.5.8 with 486 optimizations.
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Here's a copy of the post I made to comp.os.linux.help a bit earlier:
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===== Post starts here =====
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(1) When I fdisk my new 520 Mb IDE drive, i get this:
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The number of cylinders for this disk is set to 1060.
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This is larger than 1024, and may cause problems with some software.
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What does this mean?
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(2) I've been having LOTS of problems with compiling the kernel. I've got
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Slackware 1.2.0, and have been trying to compile to 1.1.45. Even 1.0 doesn't
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compile. This is what I just got with 1.1.45:
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{standard input}: Assembler messages:
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{standard input}:3103: Error: no such 386 instruction: `j'
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make[3]: *** [de620.o] Error 1
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Why is this so? Another thing: The file that it has problems with changed
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each time I re-try (with the same config). This is a clean installation. I
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*HAVEN'T* done anything with the pentium-gcc yet.
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(3) Even doing a "make config" does strange things. A couple of times it
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just stopped after setting up the sound driver (got a SB PRO 2). I didn't
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get that message telling me to do a "make dep" and all that. With the above
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problem, it made it through the whole setup OK. A couple of times in the
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sound setup, it DIDN'T ask me for the base IO address for my SB either....
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It seems to look OK with 1.1.45, but any previous version thinks it's
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finished after the kernel, but goes onto the sound bit, and makes a mess of
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things.
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(4) Has anyone else had these problems and fixed them?
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Thanks in advance....(I need an answer V.Soon coz I need to recompile the
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kernel for XFree-86 3.1 so I can use my PCI S3 which has a Vision864...)
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Thanks again.....
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-- Carlo Hamalainen
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From: carlo@ozspace.brisnet.org.au (Carlo Hamalainen)
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Subject: Re: [Bug?] S3 805 Only In 80x25
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Date: Sat, 8 Oct 1994 10:23:52 GMT
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S L Herbert (cs1slh@stoat.shef.ac.uk) wrote:
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: A friend of mine recently bought a no-name video card which has the S3 805
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: chipset. He is unable to change the text-mode on boot-up from 80x25, with
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: the Linux 1.1.50 kernel.
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I've just bought an "ExpertColour" (or something like that) PCI S3 video
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card, that uses a Vision864 chipset. Only works in 80x25, or one other
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(forgot).
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Anyone know what's happening??
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-- Carlo Hamalainen
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From: s931306@minyos.xx.rmit.EDU.AU (Albert Hui)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
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Subject: Re: Beautifying Linux/Xfree
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Date: 8 Oct 1994 15:50:39 GMT
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bcr@k9.via.term.none (Bill C. Riemers) writes:
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>>>>>> "Tom" == Tom Wilson <ctwilson@mercury.interpath.net> writes:
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> 1. A Null box. i.e. Something that can be used to mark areas for
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> xload, xbiff, and icons even when they aren't present, but as
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> far as the window manager is conserned don't exist.
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Not sure what you mean. Does the Fvwm module Icon Manager do that?
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Is the "IconBox" param in .fvwmrc what you want?
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> 2. Auto-resume from last session. i.e. Each time I end-up opening
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> several xterms in one screen, emacs somewhere else, Mosaic, ...
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> if fvwm could remember what I had running when I quit and ask
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> me to restart them again, it would be quite a timesaver.
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The FvwmSave module is supposed to do this. I recommend the much
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smarter xtoolplaces, part of olvwm.
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From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert)
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Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.intrinsics,gnu.misc.discuss
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Subject: Re: What GUI to write for?
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Date: 7 Oct 1994 06:06:41 GMT
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In article <36qh4r$spn@agate.berkeley.edu> turner@remarque.berkeley.edu (Michael Turner) writes:
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] Properly speaking (as I understand it) Motif is not a GUI software
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] package per se, but a style prescription. Anything that gets you
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] the look and feel of Motif IS Motif, in this view of things.
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]
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] Is this view of things dead, in effect?
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]
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] Is there no other Motif implementation than OSF?
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1) There is not Motif implementation other than OSF/Motif as yet.
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2) Motif isn't any "thing"; Motif, Open Software Foundation, OSF,
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the OSF logo, OSF/1 and OSF/Motif are trademarks of the Open
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Software Foundation, Inc. (according to the OSF/Motif manual
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set I have).
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3) There are several levels of compliance. There's compliance
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with the Style Guide. This is self-labeled and checkboxed by
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OSF.
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4) There's the API. Nobody but OSF has one of these.
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5) There's the window manager. Nobody but OSF has one of these.
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More info available from the OSF directly (like the $3,000,000 one year,
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one binary royalty buy-out price).
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Terry Lambert
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terry@cs.weber.edu
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---
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Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present
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or previous employers.
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Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.intrinsics,gnu.misc.discuss
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From: miles@eskimo.com (Miles Bader)
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Subject: Re: What GUI to write for?
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Date: Sat, 8 Oct 1994 21:11:48 GMT
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In article <CHRISTIM.94Oct7153903@beli.ifi.uio.no>, Christian Moen <christim@beli.ifi.uio.no> wrote:
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>When you say Motif doesn't have it's own feel, you're right to a
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>certain extent; both Mickeysoft Windows and OS/2 Presentation Manager
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>use the CUA as a foundation for their user interface as well. Motif
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>doesn't have it's own proprietary feel, right, but the authours didn't
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>forget to make one, as you seem to suggest. Proprietary feels are
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>generally bad.
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Perhaps so, but motif's (and windows') feel is *certainly* bad... I'd rather
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take my chances with `generally' any day!
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-Miles
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Miles Bader / miles@eskimo.com / (206) 842-7219
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`Life is a boundless sea of bitterness'
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From: teffta@erie.ge.com (Andrew R. Tefft)
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Subject: Re: ext2fs vs. Berkeley FFS
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Reply-To: teffta@erie.ge.com
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Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 13:59:31 GMT
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In article <36lqt6$t80@babyblue.cs.yale.edu>, hstrong@eng1.uconn.edu (Hugh Strong) writes:
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>sneered at ext2fs, presumably because of the considerations FFS makes for
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>drive geometry and rotational parameters, which seem to be absent in the
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It seems to me that drive geometry and rotational parameters are somewhat
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outdated concepts with modern drives.
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Andy Tefft - new, expanded .sig - teffta@erie.ge.com
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From: ndistler@Physik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Norbert Distler)
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Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.i386unix,comp.os.linux.admin
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Subject: Re: Xfree 3.1 and SPEA MirageP64 (Linux)
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Date: 7 Oct 1994 00:00:25 GMT
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martin@goofy.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (Christoph Martin) writes:
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>README.S3 (in XF86-3.1-doc.tar.gz) says:
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>>1 - Supported hardware
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>>----------------------
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>>
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>> ...
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>>
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>>S3 864, 20C498 RAMDAC, ICS2595 Clockchip
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>> SPEA MirageP64 2MB DRAM
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>>
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>> 8 and 15/16 bpp
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>>
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>> ClockChip "ICS2595"
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>I tried this in my XF86Config file. Die card ist probed correctly as
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>S3 864 with 20C486 RAMDAC. But the server can't set the clockchip.
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>What is the problem? Is it the right ClockChip statement? Has anyone
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>this card running with XFree 3.1?
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README.S3 also says:
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Clockchip support is only preliminary and
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on some machines problems with the first
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mode after startup of XF86_S3 or after
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switching back from VT have been seen;
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switching to next mode with CTRL+ALT+'+'
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and back seems to solve this problem
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Did you already try this? If it still doesn't work, could you please
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email me the output of your startup sequence, your configuration and
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your XF86Config?
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Norbert
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Norbert Distler - ndistler@physik.tu-muenchen.de - norbert@errol.greenie.muc.de
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From: williams@martha.utcc.utk.edu (Myles Williams)
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Subject: Re: Linux For Mac :(
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Date: 8 Oct 1994 12:51:39 -0400
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In article <3762j3$q3h@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>,
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Gary J LaPointe <gary@ah3.cal.msu.edu> wrote:
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>
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>Lewis admits that finding spare time is a problem. However he said
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>this week: "Our biggest problem besides time right now is that the
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>Power Mac I/O stuff is a proprietary technology, and Apple's not
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>telling." He adds that they are trying to "cajole" the necessary
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>information from Apple and are also looking at how to reverse
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>engineer the chip.
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What's this? I thought I read in a newspaper that the Power Mac was going to
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be an open system, fully documented by Apple.
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Will they never learn?
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From: seppeler@acsu.buffalo.edu (William Seppeler)
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Subject: Re: BSD/386 vs. Linux Performance
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Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 13:20:13 GMT
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Better yet, is there a good FAQ or something that talks of the merits
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of each. I too would be very interested in an intelligent comparison.
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