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From: Digestifier <Linux-Misc-Request@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu>
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To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Reply-To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Date: Fri, 16 Sep 94 05:13:22 EDT
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Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #768
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Linux-Misc Digest #768, Volume #2 Fri, 16 Sep 94 05:13:22 EDT
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Contents:
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Re: Horrific bug in DOOM! (MS-DOS lives!) (Shawn L. Baird)
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Mail Order Linux Workstation Vendors (E. Robert Tisdale)
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Re: Linux vs NeXTSTEP (Derrik Walker II)
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Re: OS/2 fan wants to try Linux.. What do I need ?? (A. Rohde)
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Re: Go for Linux available! (Christopher Wiles)
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Re: Word Processor for Linux? (Mike Stancliff)
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Linux X DOOM performance (explanation) (David Taylor)
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Re: Have you bought from Fintronics? (Steven Pritchard)
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Re: Horrific bug in DOOM! (Stephen David Wray)
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[Q] Any video processing tools for Linux ? (Andreas Busse)
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Re: Word Processor for Linux? (Philip Brown)
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AFTERMATH: Floppy Problems (Robert Spier)
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Re: CorelDRAW for Unix (Thomas Davis)
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From: scarrow@netcom.com (Shawn L. Baird)
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Subject: Re: Horrific bug in DOOM! (MS-DOS lives!)
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Date: Wed, 14 Sep 1994 17:42:37 GMT
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mark@taylor.infi.net (Mark A. Davis) writes:
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>My point, originally, is that the word DOS has nothing to do with
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>Microsoft... neither does the word "windows". The proper names for those
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>products always have been, and still are MS-DOS and MS-Windows! Microsoft
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Yes, but so what? Proper names are not neccesarily common names. The fact
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is that anything which bothers to call itself a "disk operating system" is
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most likely an obsolete design anyway.
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>could not, cannot, and will not be able to register common, generic
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>English words to their exclusive use. That would be like trying to
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Yet come companies have become so definite that their names have become
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the common term for the product. It's not proper to call a kleenex a
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kleenex, but it certainly is common. The fact is that regardless of the
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proper name of things, people are going to occasionally use a different
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common term. DOS is one of these things, so is Windows (or Windoze if
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you prefer).
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[ ... cute example removed ... ]
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>(Now substitute "windows", above in context of MS-Windows, X-Windows,
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>Amiga Windows, windows on your car, windows as an abstract concept of GUI, etc)
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Here we talk of proper names and you don't even use the correct ones above.
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X is called simply that, and MIT, I believe it is, has long grumbled about
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people calling it X-Windows. X Windowing System might be acceptable, I seem
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to recall that their objection is to the X being directly tied to the plural
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form of window. I've never heard of the Amiga environment being called
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Amiga Windows, either. I believe the proper name is still Intuition (and
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Workbench which represents sort of an AmigaDOS frontend, but is not really
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the windowing system proper). Most people don't seem to be getting confused
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as to what is what, so why worry?
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From: edwin@maui.cs.ucla.edu (E. Robert Tisdale)
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Subject: Mail Order Linux Workstation Vendors
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Date: Thu, 15 Sep 94 05:03:05 GMT
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I have been keeping a list of "Mail Order Linux Workstation Vendors"
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which I post from time to time in this and other newsgroups.
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All of the vendors listed below will install Linux on the machines that
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they sell but provide varying amounts of support for it. I have not dealt
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with any of these vendors except 20/20 Technologies so I cannot recommend
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them to you. Both SW Technology and Fintronic USA, Inc. are listed in the
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Distribution-HOWTO and 20/20 Technologies should also appear there soon.
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Three vendors (20/20 Technologies, SW Technology and Fintronic USA, Inc.)
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sell Pentium based workstations which run Linux and the X Window System.
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In order to get a feel for the prices these vendors were charging,
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I asked each vendor to give me a quote for the following configuration:
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* 66MHz P5 CPU with heatsink & cooling fan (Intel Pentium or equivalent)
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* PCI system board with 256kbyte 15ns cache upgradeable to 512kbyte,
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three busmaster PCI slots and five 16bit ISA slots
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(ASUS I-P5MP3 or equivalent) (Intel Mercury II chipset or equivalent)
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* 16Mbyte 70ns system memory, expandable to 192Mbyte
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* PCI video card with 1Mbyte RAM (Orchid Kelvin 64 or equivalent)
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* 15" 0.27mm dot pitch 1280x1024 non-interlaced color monitor
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(Viewsonic or equivalent)
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* 32bit busmaster PCI Fast SCSI II adaptor (NCR53C810 or equivalent)
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* 1080Mbyte 10ms fast SCSI II hard drive with 512kbyte buffer
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(Fujitsu M2694ES or equivalent)
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* Double Speed CDROM Drive (Sony CDU33A or equivalent)
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* 1.44Mbyte Floppy Disk Drive (Teac or equivalent)
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* 2 high speed serial ports with 16550A UART, 1 parallel port
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* Minitower case with 250Watt power supply, FCC class B
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* 3 button X compatible serial mouse
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* 101 key keyboard
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* Linux, X and LILO installed and configured properly.
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Latest publicly released Linux kernel, full distribution
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of Linux utilities. DOSemulator and X windows configured
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to fit the hardware for optimal performance.
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Manual for the system, the system components and
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"Linux, Installation and Getting Started Guide"
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Two year parts and labor warranty, 30 day money back guarantee.
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Enjoy, Bob Tisdale (edwin@cs.ucla.edu)
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SW Technology
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251 West Renner Suite 229
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Richardson, TX 75080
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Tel: (214) 907-0871
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Fax: (214) 907-9339
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Net: swt@netcom.com
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Price: $2769
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Contact: Marvin Wu
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20/20 Technologies
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1786 Westwood Boulevard
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West Los Angeles, CA 90024
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Tel: (310) 441-8855
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(800) 486-2020
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Fax: (310) 441-8869
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Net: ahou@netcom.com
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Price: $3199
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Contact: Gary Johnson
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Fintronic USA, Inc.
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1360 Willow Rd., Suite 205
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Menlo Park, CA 94025
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Tel: (415) 325-4474
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Fax: (415) 325-4908
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Net: linux-sales@fintronic.com
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URL: http://www.fintronic.com/linux/catalog.html
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Price: $4122 (90MHz P54)
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Contact: James Vera
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From: dwalker@omega.csuohio.edu (Derrik Walker II)
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Subject: Re: Linux vs NeXTSTEP
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Date: Wed, 14 Sep 1994 05:00:33 GMT
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S. Hosseini (saied@lando.wustl.edu) wrote:
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: Hi Linuxers,
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: I know there are lots of Linuxers with high performance PC's, so
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: there is a good chance that some of them have thought about
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: installing NeXTSTEP, or have had experience with
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: it and now converted to Linux, or maybe currently working with both
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: OS's on the same platorm.
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: I want to ask the following:
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: Given the same high performance PC platform,
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: 1. Which is cheaper to get?
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: (Answer is easy) Linux, of course. This is one of
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: the main advantages of Linux. Otherwise I wouldn't be using it.
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Educational users can get a butt-kicking deal. About $300.00 for the OS
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and the Developement environment. But it is not still free.
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: 2. Which one is easier to install and has less problem with existing
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: PC hardware?
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Next Step is easier to install, if you have the right hardware. It is
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extreamly pickiy about hardware. You can get the Compatabillity guide
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from ftp.next.com.
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: 3. Which one has more choice of application software?
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Well, with an x package like coexist, NS can run ns, unix, and x
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software. It runs unix software fine. I have compiled several apps for
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it with little or no problems. You just can't run x out of the box.
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: 4. Which one is faster (for the same task) ?
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Depends on what compiler was used. gcc is better than cc. Os stuff
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Linux is better. But then again, Linux isn't wrap-aound post script.
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: 5. Which one has a capability that the other doesn't have?
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NS has this awsome environment for development. It makes borlands look
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silly. It is completly object orinted. Also the GUI is the easiest. It
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makes the Mac look complicated.
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FVWM on linux isn't as easy to set upo and run. Nad configureing it
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takes some hacking.
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: 6. Which one has better future? (this is a question
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for discussion : and not for a definite answer.)
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Well, NS is growing strong in the buisness world, because of the ease of
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use and application building. Linux is growing popular with college
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students and hackers.
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I use both along with Macsa, pcs, and several UNIX's. I can tell you
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from experince that NS is a far beter OS. But it has a high price. It
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is in the perfomance catogory as NT and requires a lot of system to run.
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I have seen it run on as little as a Dell 486dx2-50 w/ jaws video and 16m
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ram. It was way slower than our NeXTStaion Turbo (a 25Mgz 040 w/ 32 megs).
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We now have a 486dx2-66 w/16 megs. It's a duel boot with NS and linux.
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NS is a lot more relaible, but slower. Linux is a lot faster, but less
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realiable.
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I am moving to Linux soon (from a mac) and hope to run NS in the future.
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I use both regularly so feel free to email me with any spacific questions
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you may have.
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I hope I have helped
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-Derrik
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Derrik Walker II Student of Computer Sciences
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Cleveland State University Automation Assistant, Law Library
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d.k.walker85@csuohio.edu dwalker@omega.csuohio.edu
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http://pclab19.law.csuohio.edu:8099/html/dwalker/home.html
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From: exp109@modcomp.physik.uni-kiel.de (A. Rohde)
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Subject: Re: OS/2 fan wants to try Linux.. What do I need ??
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Date: 15 Sep 1994 14:11:23 GMT
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In article <354l6i$kdg@owl.nstn.ns.ca>, Jim@JChisholm.Phys.Dal.Ca (Jim Chisholm) writes:
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|> Hi folks..
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|> I'm a long time advocate of OS/2 and I am curious about Linux..
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|>
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|> 1)will it run on a386DX40 8M ?
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yes
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|> 2)how much HD is required ?
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100MB are sufficient if you don't install everything
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|> 3)does it require it's own partition or can it live alongside DOS and OS/2 in
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|> the same partition ?
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Can run on a DOS partition (UMSDOS) although I never tried this
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|> 4)can it be booted from DOS or does it require it's own boot manager ?
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You can use OS/2's bootmanager in conjunction with lilo (LInuxLOader)
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|> 5)what are the files required to get me up and running ?
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Get the Slackware distribution from a near FTP site ( ~50 Disk, you don't need
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all)
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|> 6)where can I get these ?
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a mirror of sunsite.unc.edu. There is a list of mirrors at sunsite.unc.edu in
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/pub/Linux
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|> 7)no flames please about not having read the FAQs, I don't know which farqing
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|> faqs to read !!
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You SHOULD read the DOCS, that come with Slackware BEFORE doing anything (just
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before getting all 50 disks via ftp)
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Axel
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From: a0017097@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (Christopher Wiles)
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Subject: Re: Go for Linux available!
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Date: Wed, 14 Sep 1994 19:28:31 GMT
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rph@netcom.com (Randy Hootman) writes:
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: I have xgoban and wally up and running under Linux. If you are a go
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: player and interested, you can anonymous ftp from:
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:
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: ftp.netcom.com /pub/rph/xgoban-wally.tgz
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.. but permissions are such that one cannot enter /pub/rph ...
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-- Chris
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a0017097@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu wileyc@halcyon.com wileyc@quark.chs.wa.com
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"... but I want to use all eight comm ports SIMULTANEOUSLY!"
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PGP 2.6 public key available by finger for the clinically paranoid.
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From: stanclif@cris.com (Mike Stancliff)
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Subject: Re: Word Processor for Linux?
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Date: 14 Sep 1994 23:03:40 -0400
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In article <Cw4np0.3Fx@mtkgc.com>, awasser@mtkgc.com (Adam Wasserman) wrote:
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...stuff deleted...
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>
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> If linux had 1) a good word processor, 2) Quicken, and 3) ran my dos/windows
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> multi-media toys, I'd wipe dos/windows off my disk completely. Assistance
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> appreciated!
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>
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Amen!! Hallelujah! I don't even need my multi-media toys... Now, if I
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were only a better programmer...
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From: ddt@idcube.idsoftware.com (David Taylor)
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Subject: Linux X DOOM performance (explanation)
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Date: 16 Sep 1994 01:51:36 -0500
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For those of you curious about the different performances under
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DOS and Linux, here's some explanation.
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What you may think of as the obvious culprit, X Windows, is not
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the only problem. X really doesn't slow things down much if you're
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in single-pixel mode, not running anything else requiring X services
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while the game is running, and have enough RAM to keep its active
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footprint in memory. Nor is context switching for the X server or
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sound server code a nasty hit as this is done quite rarely in the
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scope of things.
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The Linux version has no assembly. This affects the texture-mapping
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speed quite a bit. First, there's the obvious speed payoff of
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doing anything in the inner loop of an algorithm in assembly.
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Second, in DOS, the routines render directly to the frame buffer
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using a mode which ISA cards suffer only their bus speed and not
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the width. That's probably quite a large chunk of the performance
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hit as there is no end-of-rendering screen slam for this.
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The hit from sound is experienced in both DOS and Linux, but the
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hit under DOS is much smaller. This is for several reasons. Once
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again, the DOS inner-loop is in assembly. Also, the DOS version
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mixes channels at a time instead of samples at a time. This is a
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lot faster. The Linux sound code was almost straight from the SGI
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code (where something processing an 11kHz sound stream is completely
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inconsequential to system resources).
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So what you're playing with is a completely C game in X with very
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hastily-written sound code for the SGI. It's basically a tribute
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to what you get nowadays with -O from modern C compilers. Not bad.
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=-ddt->
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From: spritcha@nyx10.cs.du.edu (Steven Pritchard)
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Subject: Re: Have you bought from Fintronics?
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Date: 15 Sep 1994 23:50:20 -0600
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jarreau@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Michael P. Jarreau) writes:
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>I am preparing to buy a PC with linux built in from a company called
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>Fintronics (Melno Park, CA, USA).
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>Can you tell me anything about the company?
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They had a somewhat flattering write-up in last month's BYTE. It is
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probably still on the stands. Check it out.
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Steve
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spritcha@nyx10.cs.du.edu | Steven
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sjpritch@siucvmb.siu.edu | Pritchard
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GCS/M/S d? p+ c++(++++) l++ u+(-) e+ m+(---) s/+ !n h--- f+ g+ w@ t++ r- y?
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From: swra01@cs19.cs.aukuni.ac.nz (Stephen David Wray)
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Subject: Re: Horrific bug in DOOM!
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Date: 15 Sep 1994 05:38:08 GMT
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> > > The original name for the glorified boot loader now known as MS-DOS
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> > > was QDOS, which stood for Quick and Dirty Operating System. Note that
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> > > the letter Q has since been dropped.
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Bizzarre -- here, QDOS is a brand of underpants...
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Hmm... maybe theres a connection...
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From: andy@resi.waldorf-gmbh.de (Andreas Busse)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development
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Subject: [Q] Any video processing tools for Linux ?
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Date: 15 Sep 1994 15:23:49 GMT
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Hi everybody,
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I wonder if there are any video processing tools available
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for Linux, either free or commercial. Any hints are welcome,
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but please mail me.
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TIA,
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Andy
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Waldorf Electronics GmbH | Phone: +49 (0)2636-80294
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R&D Department | Fax: +49 (0)2636-80188
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Neustrasse 9-12, 53498 Waldorf, Germany | email: andy@waldorf-gmbh.de
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From: philb@cats.ucsc.edu (Philip Brown)
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Subject: Re: Word Processor for Linux?
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Date: 16 Sep 1994 06:04:05 GMT
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In article <35b3ks$l5i@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu>,
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<FEARNLCJ@DUVM.OCS.DREXEL.EDU> wrote:
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>Has no one tried ez from the AUIS package (auis63LO-wp.tgz)? I realize
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>it's only 1/8th of the whole AUIS system, but Linux Journal even ran an
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>article on it. So I got frustrated with this thread and d/l it from
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>sunsite. It looks like a fancy word processor. Ghostview ran into
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>problems when I tried to preview the sample document -- could this
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>be the reason no one talks about ez when the Word Processing/Spreadsheat
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>thread comes up?
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Actrually, you just didn't know the tricks of the trade. You can view
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just about anything you create in ez by doing
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ezprint -t file.ez | groff -ept >file.ps
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and THEN using ghostview on it.
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There are two problems with why ez isn't talked about much:
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1) Development on it is done by a very small number of people, and it has
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fallen out of favour at its own college development site.
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2) It can be a pain to set up, and there is no easy (ahem) way to just
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compile the editor. It is part of the humungeous package of AUIS, and
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thus will be forever buried in obscurity.
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(To fix this, there should be a separate release of JUST the editor.
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But given the attitudes and priorities of the developers, I doubt
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this will ever happen)
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--
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Philip Brown, author of "kdrill", and "xmandel"
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philb@cats.ucsc.edu philb@soda.csua.berkeley.edu
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From: rspier@cloud9.net (Robert Spier)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
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Subject: AFTERMATH: Floppy Problems
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Date: 15 Sep 1994 06:03:16 GMT
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Has anyone experience floppy drive problems after removing all traces of
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Linux and lilo from a hd via FDISK and format?
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I don't think it's possible to have a problem caused by that still,
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but the guy who's incharge of the computers insists that it's caused by
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something left over.
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Help!
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[reply via email if possible]
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--
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-Robert
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[rspier@cloud9.net] ICBM: 40 55' 40" N 73 45' 08" W
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"What fools those mortals be.."
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http://www.cloud9.net/~rspier || finger for more info
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From: tdavis@beeble.synergy.net (Thomas Davis)
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Subject: Re: CorelDRAW for Unix
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Date: 16 Sep 1994 06:03:57 GMT
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Mark A. Davis (mark@taylor.infi.net) wrote:
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: mwikholm@at8.abo.fi (Mats 'MaDsen' Wikholm) writes:
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: >In article <3559b7$177@case.cyberspace.com> pmt@cyberspace.net (philip m. thompson) writes:
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: Personally, I have not heard any definate confirmations on running SCO
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: CorelDRAW under Linux ICBS; but there is a very good chance that it will...
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: You can always buy it and try it! Many good vendors will allow returns
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: if it does not work on your equipment (just don't tell them you are running
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: it on unsupported Linux!)
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I've got the Corel 3 for Unix demo CDROM, and yes, it has on it the
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CorelDRAW for SCO & Univel on it. Last time I tried it, the SCO version
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worked great, the Univel version didn't (missing shared libraries of
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some sort).
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Even the license manager worked (for SCO).
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Call Corel and ask for the demo CDROM.
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Thomas Davis | Internet: tdavis@beeble.synergy.net
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