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From: Digestifier <Linux-Misc-Request@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu>
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To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Reply-To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Date: Fri, 16 Sep 94 08:13:09 EDT
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Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #769
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Linux-Misc Digest #769, Volume #2 Fri, 16 Sep 94 08:13:09 EDT
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Contents:
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Re: OS/2 vs. Unix Which one is better and why??? (Darin Johnson)
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Re: Sound 2.9 problem (Hannu Savolainen)
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Re: Problem with Linux Sound (brentlab@otago.ac.nz)
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[Q]Linux/PowerMac progress (rfraser@vanisl.decus.ca)
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Re: Linux v1.0 SMAIL problem (Caesar M Samsi)
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How to use a host as a router - READ THIS (Jay Ashworth)
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Re: Is Linux faster than Os/2? Please help. (Trink Andreas)
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Re: Linux is a GNU system and the DWARF support (Anselm Lingnau)
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which is better: Mitsumi or Panasonic CDROM? (Harry C Pulley)
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Go for Linux available! (Randy Hootman)
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Re: VHDL for Linux...? (Bardo Muller)
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Re: Linux is a GNU system and the DWARF support (Marcus Daniels)
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Re: Horrific bug in DOOM! (Matthias Bruestle)
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From: djohnson@arnold.ucsd.edu (Darin Johnson)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
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Subject: Re: OS/2 vs. Unix Which one is better and why???
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Date: 14 Sep 1994 03:46:09 GMT
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In article <jeffpkCvy2B3.ECr@netcom.com> jeffpk@netcom.com (Jeff Kesselman) writes:
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(regarding OS9)
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> The multi-tasking turns OFF every time you enter the
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> kernel! Yes, thats right, this so-called multi-tasking system has a
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> non-re-entrant kernel.
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Sounds like UNIX! (well, maybe not some of the more forward looking
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variants, but...)
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> >(a multitasking, modular kernel in less than 128k. You gotta be impressed
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> >by that)
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>
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> Why should I be impressed? UNIX was orginally developed and run on 64k
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> LSI-11. And it did a whole lot more a whole lot better.
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You're simplifying things too much. The original unix didn't do
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a whole lot. And it also relied upon swapping, so that 64K wasn't
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as restrictive as it might seem (it swapped whole processes though,
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instead of paging). The PDP had nicer machines to work with,
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especially memory-management-wise, than most OS9 machines.
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--
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Darin Johnson
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djohnson@ucsd.edu
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Support your right to own gnus.
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From: hannu@voxware.pp.fi (Hannu Savolainen)
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Subject: Re: Sound 2.9 problem
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Date: Fri, 16 Sep 1994 06:12:25 GMT
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gjp@vtci.com (Greg J. Pryzby) writes:
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>I have MediaVision's Fusion Double CD kit... PAS 16 with 2x CDROM.
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>Have have Linux 1.0.8 and tried to install teh 2.9 sound driver but
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>I think I am having problems....
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>Under MSDOG the PAS16 is set with DMA=5, IRQ=7. The SB emulator is at
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>220, DMA=1, IRQ=3. I try to set SB to IRQ , but that is not a valid
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>chose in the make config script...
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The IRQ3 is not a valid choise with the original SB. In addition it
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conflicts with the serial port. It's possible to configure the SB driver
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to use IRQ3 by modifying SBC_IRQ in linux/drivers/sound/local.h.
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>If I use IRQ=7 for SB, I can get the kernel to build. I run the shell to
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>setup the devices and all seems to work.
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>I then goto the sndkit/dsp (2.5) and try the following:
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>cat endoftheworld >/dev/dsp
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>cat endoftheworld >/dev/dsp1
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>I get a "pop", dead air, an error, then I hear part of the REM song.
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>The error is:
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>cat: write error: I/O error
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>I look at /usr/adm/messsage* and saw the following error:
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>kernel: Sound DMA timed out - IRQ/DRQ config error?
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You can't use the same IRQ for two devices. In this case the PAS16 and the
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SB emulation chip on it are separate devices. They can't share the same
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IRQ. You could try to change the IRQ of PAS16. For example the IRQ10 is
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a good alternative.
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Hannu
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--
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=============================
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Hannu Savolainen
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hannu@voxware.pp.fi
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"Don't use Windows since there is a door!"
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Crossposted-To: alt.games.doom
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From: brentlab@otago.ac.nz
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Subject: Re: Problem with Linux Sound
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Date: Wed, 14 Sep 1994 23:26:08 GMT
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>>>In article <34rbks$1ch@news.u.washington.edu> tzs@u.washington.edu
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> (Tim Smith) writes:
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>>>>Bill C. Riemers <bcr@physics.purdue.edu> wrote:
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>>>>> 2. There is significant delay between action and sound. i.e. I
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>>>>> can fire my gun and then turn halfway around before the gun
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>>>>> sound comes through my speakers.
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>>>>
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>>>>Get shorter speaker cables.
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>>>>
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>>>>--Tim Smith
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>>>I really hope that you are kidding. I'd hate to think that our fine
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>>>educational system is producing people so stupid as to think that
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> reducing the
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>>>length of cable between an amplifier and the speakers would have an
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> observable
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>>>effect. Think about it: sound travels through the air about 730 miles per
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>>>hour at sea-level, electronic signals travel through wire at close to the
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>>>speed of light (roughly 186,000 miles per _second_). If you were to make
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>>>_any_ adjustments to the speaker placement, you'd be better off putting on
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>>>headphones (though the difference would still be virtually unobservable).
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>>
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>> I really hope that you are kidding. I'd hate to think that our
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>>fine educational system is producing people so stupid as the think that
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>>electrons net velocity down a cable is anywhere close to the speed of
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>>light. With all those electrons refusing to travel straight and bumping
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>>into each other, you are lucky if you get 1/10 C.
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>
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> I really hope that you are kidding. I'd hate to think that our
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> fine educational system is producing people so stupid that they can't
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> recognize HUMOR. I thought that the "Get shorter cables" comment was
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> actually amusing.
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>
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> In any case, I'd have to check my physics book for exact
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> numbers, but I've got a grasp on the general theory. First, it
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> doesn't really matter how fast the electrons are moving "along the
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> cable." What matters is the speed of the electic field. It does move
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> pretty darn close to C. Second, while the electrons are jittering
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> back and forth and bumping into one another, they do make progress in
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> the direction of the electric field. The rate, electron drift speed?,
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> is much slower than C - in fact muhc slower than .1 C.
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>
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> Gee, I hope I'm right.
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>
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I really hope that you are kidding! :-) We all know that sound
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travels much slower than electrons in a wire don't we.. The obvious
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solution to the original problem is to maximise the distance the sound
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has to travel as electrons and minimise the amount it has to travel as
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sound waves, so you should actually make the cables _LONGER_
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Sheeesh, some people just can't see the obvious can they :-) ???
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Cheers, Neil _Physics_isn't_my_middle_name_ Gardner
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Subject: [Q]Linux/PowerMac progress
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From: rfraser@vanisl.decus.ca
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Date: 15 Sep 94 12:36:56 PDT
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Reply-To: rfraser@vanisl.decus.ca
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Would Charlton Wilbur or Jem Lewis like to comment on what progress has been
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made in porting Linux to the Powermacs. Thanks
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From: csamsi@clark.net (Caesar M Samsi)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.prog,dc.org.linux-users
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Subject: Re: Linux v1.0 SMAIL problem
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Date: Thu, 15 Sep 1994 19:55:56
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What is the latest version os smail and where can I ftp it from ?
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I have 3.1.28.1 #5, Nov 93 and it is broken. It inserts extraneous
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linefeeds and tabs making the spool file looking like follows:
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>From root Thu Sep 15 18:08:36 1994
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>Return-Path: <root>
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>Received:
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> by csamsi_ppp.clark.net
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> (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #5)
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> id m0qlOyp-0004vrC; Thu, 15 Sep 94 18:08 EDT
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>Message-Id: <m0qlOyp-0004vrC@csamsi_ppp.clark.net>
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While Linux's pine (3.89) can read it just fine, other email readers are
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confused like hell.
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Thanks, Caesar.
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In article <1994Sep14.042231.5409@tragus.atl.ga.us> jcej@tragus.atl.ga.us
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(James CE Johnson) writes:
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>Actually... I think the bug is from calling ferror() after the pipe
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>to uuname has been closed. Look in comp.os.linux.help (?) for a similar
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>discussion (search for smail or my name). Basically, you want to edit
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>smail*/src/routers/uuname.c and find where it closes the pipe to
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>uuname. Below that you will see a call to ferror(). Move the ferror()
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>code above the close code and everything starts working. (For me at least.)
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From: jra@zeus.IntNet.net (Jay Ashworth)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.admin,alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions
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Subject: How to use a host as a router - READ THIS
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Date: 15 Sep 1994 12:57:16 -0400
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jbarrett@onramp.net writes:
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> However, neither local or internet hosts can access a machine on the
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> far side of the Linux box being used as a router.
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> I can see the incomming packets being counted in /proc/net/dev, but I
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> never see packets being sent out the other interface.
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... and half the net is having the same trouble.
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Here's the most important thing to remember:
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*When using a multi-homed host as a router, EACH interface must have it's
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own address.*
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Routing on your local host tells IP where to send packets, based on their
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destination address. What you _tell_ the routing code is _which
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interface_ to send the packets out on. Therefore, each interface, (PPP is
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an interface) must have a unique address. Usually, you get the IP address
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for your PPP interface from the provider's net, either statically, or
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dynamically. The "inside" address, the one you ifconfig onto your
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ethernet interface, is part of your private net (either one you've
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registered yourself, or part of a block assigned by your provider.)
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A typical route information output in such a case might look like this...
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Destination Gateway Netmask Flags MSS iface
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127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1 255.0.0.0 UH 1536 lo0
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199.245.227.0 199.245.227.254 255.255.255.0 U 1436 eth0
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default 198.147.221.1 255.255.255.0 U 1436 ppp0
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(The person I'm helping with this right now, who owns those addresses,
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will recognize them... :-)
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This routes packets for the local host to the loopback interface, packets
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for the local net (199.245.227) to the local interface which connects to
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that net, and packets for every other network number to the PPP interface,
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for forwarding to the outside world.
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Everyone understand that? :-)
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Cheers,
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-- jra
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--
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Jay R. Ashworth Ashworth
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Designer & Associates
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ka1fjx/4 High Technology Systems Consulting
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jra@baylink.com +1 813 790 7592
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From: trink@myhost.subdomain.domain (Trink Andreas)
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Subject: Re: Is Linux faster than Os/2? Please help.
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Date: 16 Sep 1994 06:24:32 GMT
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Naji Mouawad (nmouawad@barrow.uwaterloo.ca) wrote:
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: I need to write my thesis. I can either use Linux or Os/2.
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Forget OS/2, I had bad experience (It is not very stable)
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: Which system is faster given that I need to use:
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: Emacs + Latex + previewer + idraw or something similar to do my
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: drawings?
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I use Latex, xdvi as previewer (pretty fast and komfortable)
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With idraw I have no experience, but I use xfig (Try it!)
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: Right now I am running under Os/2 but if these tools are much faster under
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: Linux I am prepared to switch.
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: Also is Ipe, the drawing package ported under Linux? What about Idraw?
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: If you have used these tools on both system or if you have an opinion
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: please let me know as I am about to buy 4 more megs and a new hard drive
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: to install linux.
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: System: 486Dx2 50Mhz
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: 12 megs ram right now.
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: 1. Ide drive with Os/2 on.
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: Thanks for any help you may have on this subject.
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: --
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: +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
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: | " I understand because I believe. I don't believe because I understand." |
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: +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
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--
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======================================================================
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Trink Andreas | Tel: 0316-873-7456
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| Fax: 0316-463697
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Institut fuer Nachrichtentechnik | EMail: trink@inw.tu-graz.ac.at
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und Wellenausbreitung, TU Graz | trink@finwpc06.ac.at
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Inffeldgasse 12 |
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A-8010 Graz |
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Sapere aude!
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From: lingnau@informatik.uni-frankfurt.de (Anselm Lingnau)
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Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
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Subject: Re: Linux is a GNU system and the DWARF support
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Date: 16 Sep 1994 10:13:28 GMT
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In article <35blr1$cnm@venus.mcs.com>, MacGyver <macgyver@MCS.COM> wrote:
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> I've been following this thread since its inception, and I really would like
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> to know something -- do we REALLY need all these restrictions and license
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> agreements?
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Yes, we do need license agreements. International copyright (as per the
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Berne Convention) says that stuff like books, articles, ... is
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copyrighted as soon as it is written, and at least over here in Germany
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programs are mostly like literary works for the purposes of copyright.
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So if you write a program, the copyright is yours. You may keep the
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code, give it away or sell it, but the people who received the program
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from you may not do *anything at all*, especially in the way of
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redistributing it, without you *allowing* them to do so. That is
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basically what a `license' is all about -- the word derives from the
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Latin where `licet' means `it is allowed'. The fact that most commercial
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license agreements are about forbidding redistribution is beside the
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point; they go through intricate gyrations to make sure you're only
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allowed to *use* the stuff but not to pass it on.
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Anselm
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--
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Anselm Lingnau ......................... lingnau@tm.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de
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When I am working on a problem, I never think about beauty. I think only how to
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solve the problem. But when I have finished, if the solution is not beautiful,
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I know it is wrong. --- R. Buckminster Fuller
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From: hpulley@uoguelph.ca (Harry C Pulley)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
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Subject: which is better: Mitsumi or Panasonic CDROM?
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Date: 15 Sep 1994 21:58:39 GMT
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I am thinking about getting a CDROM drive. I am wondering which drive is
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better (both are double speed): the Mitsumi with its own interface card or the
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Panasonic with a SB16 card. The Mitsumi is much cheaper (about half of the
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cost of the Panasonic, though I haven't shopped around too much) but the
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Panasonic comes with a pile of disks, I could upgrade to 16-bit sound, etc. In
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Cnd$ I can get the Mitsumi for $225 (with card) and the Panasonic/SB16
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multimedia kit with disks for $399.
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Any comments on which is better or worse with Linux and why? I have seen a few
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complaints about Mitsumi here about the IRQ for the card (which someone said
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could easily be fixed by altering a header file).
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Harry
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--
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<:-{} hpulley@uoguelph.ca |This message released|It takes all kinds,
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\ Harry C. Pulley, IV |to the PUBLIC DOMAIN.|and to each his own.
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==================================+=====================|This thought in mind,
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Stay away from the DOS side, Luke!|Un*x don't play that.|I walk alone.
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From: rph@netcom.com (Randy Hootman)
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Subject: Go for Linux available!
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Date: Thu, 15 Sep 1994 18:05:48 GMT
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OOPS! Wrong permissions on my ftp directory. Changed them and now Go
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should be available at ftp.netcom.com /pub/rph/xgoban-wally.tgz.
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Randy
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--
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///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
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"In recognizing the humanity of our fellow beings,
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we pay ourselves the highest tribute." - Thurgood Marshall
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//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
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Randy Hootman Randysoft Software (408) 229-0119
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From: bardo@ief-paris-sud.fr (Bardo Muller)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development,comp.lsi.cad,comp.lang.vhdl
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Subject: Re: VHDL for Linux...?
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Date: 14 Sep 1994 08:46:53 GMT
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Reply-To: bardo@ief-paris-sud.fr
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In article 139g@hearst.cac.psu.edu, donadio@mxd120.rh.psu.edu (Matthew Donadio) writes:
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>ADA (ada@nic.cerf.net) wrote:
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>: I have been playing (or trying to play) with both magic and ocean. I
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>: was wondering if there are any free VHDL simulators available or being
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>: worked on for Linux. If so, what about synthesis tools?
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>
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>Are there _any_ free VHDL tools? All of the ones I have used haven't
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>been..
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A set of VHDL models and tools for modeling the IEEE 1149.1
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test standard is available as public domain from Northeastern
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University. A paper describing the models and utilities was
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presented at the VUIF spring conference. A more detailed
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description of this work with the complete code for the models
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and utility procedures was presented at the Atlantic Test Work-
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shop in New Hampshire.
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The software consists of a set of VHDL descriptions that model
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the various components of the 1149.1 standard, and a set of
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procedures that can be used in a test bench for control and data
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application to the standard models. All models and utilities
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have been tested and readme and documentation files provide
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complete information for their usage.
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You will be able to ftp the software from the nuvlsi machine:
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nuvlsi.coe.northeastern.edu
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The ftp directory is:
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/pub/IEEE_1149/*
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Please use the models, and if you make improvements, please keep
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us informed. I appreciate if you send me a mail message if you get
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the software. This way I'll know who has the software. My mail
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address is navabi@northeastern.edu
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Bardo
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======="===============================================================
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Bardo MULLER Phone : [33] [1] 69 41 78 50
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Institut d'Electronique Fondamentale Fax : [33] [1] 60 19 25 93
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Bat. 220 Universite Paris Sud p.029 e-mail : bardo@ief-paris-sud.fr
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91405 ORSAY CEDEX FRANCE
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From: marcus@ee.pdx.edu (Marcus Daniels)
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Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
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Subject: Re: Linux is a GNU system and the DWARF support
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Date: 16 Sep 1994 10:04:53 GMT
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Reply-To: marcus@ee.pdx.edu
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In-reply-to: macgyver@MCS.COM's message of 16 Sep 1994 03:43:13 -0500
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>>>>> "mg" == MacGyver <macgyver@MCS.COM> writes:
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In article <35blr1$cnm@Venus.mcs.com> macgyver@MCS.COM (MacGyver) writes:
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[ It does occur to me this post may be from the keyboard of a
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devilishly dry wit, but, sorry, I simply lack the humor to let it slide. ]
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mg> I've been following this thread since its inception, and I really
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mg> would like to know something -- do we REALLY need all these
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mg> restrictions and license agreements?
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The intent of all GPL developers is to encourage cooperation.
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To further this goal, full source distribution is necessary.
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Although there is valid debate about what exact terms are legal and
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realistic, there are apparently a growing number of users who
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Just Don't Get It.
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mg> Personally, I think the
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mg> notion has been blown WAY out of proportion by the folks at FSF
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mg> and a couple of other places. Placing a copyright on code you
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mg> wrote is definitely something worthwhile and its not something
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mg> most people dispute, but, to FORCE people who use a certain
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mg> package to have to abide by any special rules is completely
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mg> ridiculous.
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Indeed! How absurd to think that people who devote hundreds or even
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thousands hours of their own time to projects they get little or no
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remuneration for should have any say about how their software is used!
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What are these wiggy FSF people thinking?! Can you _imagine_?
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mg> Such practices force people to look elsewhere for
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mg> packages or libraries, often wasting many precious man hours
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Shrug. Nine times out of ten, I'm more than happy to participate in the
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inhibition of individuals who would be actively seeking to circumvent
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licenses like the GPL. Handy litmus test.
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mg> because a few people decided that they released something and put
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mg> it under licensing terms that essentially enforce their views on
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mg> source availiblity, and they get away with it!
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;(
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From: m@mbsks.franken.de (Matthias Bruestle)
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Subject: Re: Horrific bug in DOOM!
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Date: Thu, 15 Sep 1994 19:18:35 GMT
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Mahlzeit
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> QDOS is a product from Gazelle Systems which is more like X-Tree than it
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> is like 4DOS. The latter is a replacement command processor for DOS
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> in that it fully replaces COMMAND.COM. QDOS is a file selector/browser
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> tool with a few other goodies thrown in as well.
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QDOS is also QL Disk Operating System. It is the OS of the Sinclair QL.
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(Mybe D means not Disk, because the OS was on ROM.)
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Mahlzeit
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--
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A leap ahead... through insanity.
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