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From: Digestifier <Linux-Misc-Request@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu>
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To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Reply-To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Date: Wed, 21 Sep 94 21:13:22 EDT
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Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #796
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Linux-Misc Digest #796, Volume #2 Wed, 21 Sep 94 21:13:22 EDT
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Contents:
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Re: How to use a host as a router - READ THIS (Frank van Maarseveen)
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BOCO Nightmare !! Solution !! (Tim Bass (Network Systems Engineer))
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Re: Linux vs NeXTSTEP (Dave Coons)
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Re: Do HP SCSI DAT drives work? (Mike Stanbro)
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Re: What is the granularity of the Linux clock ? (Peter Moulder)
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Re: Where is ftape? (Timothy Murphy)
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Re: Word Processor for Linux? (Remco Treffkorn)
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Re: WORD PROCESSORS FOR LINUX! (Remco Treffkorn)
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Re: How to use a host as a router - READ THIS (David - Morris)
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Re: Biz.comp.linux* (Andries Kruithof)
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Re: which is better: Mitsumi or Panasonic CDROM? (Harry C Pulley)
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Re: NCR PCI SCSI controllers (Drew Eckhardt)
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Re: TSENG W32 Server (Andrew Robert Ellsworth)
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MODULA-2 for Linux? (George Braybrook)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.admin,alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions
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From: fvm@tasking.nl (Frank van Maarseveen)
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Subject: Re: How to use a host as a router - READ THIS
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Date: Wed, 21 Sep 1994 12:11:49 GMT
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Jay Ashworth (jra@zeus.IntNet.net) wrote:
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[text deleted]
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> A typical route information output in such a case might look like this...
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>
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> Destination Gateway Netmask Flags MSS iface
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> 127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1 255.0.0.0 UH 1536 lo0
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> 199.245.227.0 199.245.227.254 255.255.255.0 U 1436 eth0
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> default 198.147.221.1 255.255.255.0 U 1436 ppp0
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Why has the loopback route a destination 127.0.0.1 instead of 127.0.0.0
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in accordance with the specified netmask?
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The loopback interface could have IP address 127.0.0.1 and connect to
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a loopback network 127.0.0.0 with netmask 255.0.0.0 (conceptually)
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About assigning the same IP address to multiple interfaces on the same
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host:
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One could argue that this is "correct" as long as the outer world cannot
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see any difference. Consider all interfaces as one big specially designed
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interface with the software (linux) hiding the differences. So, as long
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as the software supports this concept it is correct IMHO.
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______________________________________________________________________
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Frank van Maarseveen _____ _ _ fvm@tasking.nl
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Tasking BV /_ / |_/ /
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Plotterweg 31 / \/_/ _/ phone : +31 33 558584
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Amersfoort, The Netherlands fax : +31 33 550033
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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When I hear of Schrodingers cat, I reach for my gun --- S. W. Hawking
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From: bass@cais2.cais.com (Tim Bass (Network Systems Engineer))
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Subject: BOCO Nightmare !! Solution !!
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Date: 21 Sep 1994 01:50:46 GMT
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Thanks for the help on the BOCA 8 port nightmare!!
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Got a BOCA 16 port and all is well (well, at least
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the serial saga begins!)
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Thanks Planet Linux !
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From: davec@fa.disney.com (Dave Coons)
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Subject: Re: Linux vs NeXTSTEP
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Date: 19 Sep 1994 23:21:40 GMT
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Jason V Robertson (jr7877@eehpx12) wrote:
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> Well, I am not a great source since I have only heard about NS. But from
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> what I understand you need to redefine "high performance PC" to fit in with
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> NeXTSTEP. A high performance Linux station is 486 or above with at least
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> 8 megs (12 for X?). My understanding is that for NS you need a bare minimum
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> of like 32 megs to get anything done. I imagine it is huge, diskwise also.
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> I don't think you can use X without buying the software for NS.
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> I think NS probably does have better DOS/Windows compatibility, though.
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> Linux is only starting to get these.
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> Also, I don't think NS has any real future. It is just too big and clumsy.
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NEXTSTEP is undeniably the finest operating system I have ever used.
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The user interface is intelligently thought out, the operating system is
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object oriented from the ground up, and the application development tools
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were the first of their kind. I have an original NeXT box on my desk
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for doing day-to-day office tasks like mail, remote logins, word
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processing and spreadsheets. I also upgraded a while back with their
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NeXTdimension color card, which increases my workspace by adding a color
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monitor (better for graphics) next to the original monochrome (better for
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text). Operating System upgrades and Software installation are a snap.
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As for memory requirements, 8 megs is too little, 16 enough for most work,
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and 32 is perfect. The 105 MB disks shipped with the newer workstations
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was too small, but 330 MB can support the entire suite of development tools
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and a few extras like Tetris.
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One area where the NeXT's weren't too strong was add-on cards, a problem
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surely remedied by the 486 port. Unfortunately, only a limited number of
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configurations are officially supported, and device drivers for special
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cards are harder to come by. I once hired a consultant to adapt a PC
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ISA bus camera controller card to work in the NeXT, but it was expensive
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and the prototype ended up being the only one ever built. The driver was
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also difficult, and required inside information from NeXT on how their
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kernel worked. Most people won't be in this situation, however.
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Ironically, since our new project required a PC and a custom processing
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card, Linux was suggested by a co-worker and presents a serious challenge
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to NEXTSTEP. It enjoys a rapidly widening user base and is at an exciting
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time in its growth curve. Although I'm no fan of X, Linux provides as
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generic a software platform as can be had, and all sorts of software is
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supported. We also have quite a few in-house X applications that would
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be nice to run without having to run an X server atop NeXT's Display
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Postscript engine.
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NeXT was light years ahead of the competition when they came out, and I
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hope they stay aggressive for the future without letting the industry
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standards overtake them.
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David Coons
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Walt Disney Feature Animation
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davec@fa.disney.com
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From: mikes@cse.ogi.edu (Mike Stanbro)
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Subject: Re: Do HP SCSI DAT drives work?
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Date: 20 Sep 1994 10:50:13 GMT
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In article <35jkir$qhm@netserver.fisonssurf.co.uk>, rgiles@fisonssurf.co.uk (Richard Giles) writes:
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|> Anybody know if HP SCSI DAT drives work on Linux. We have an Adaptec SCSI
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|> card which is already working with a 1 Gig. hard disc.
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|>
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|> Also, can you have multiple backups on the 1 tape.
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|>
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|> Richard
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|>
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|> ------------------------------------------
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|> Richard Giles (Data Systems Dept.)
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|> Fisons Instruments Surface Systems
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|> Tel. (+044) 342 327211 Fax. (+044) 342 315074
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|> EMail: rgiles@fisonssurf.co.uk
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|> or richard@vgscient.demon.co.uk (backup only)
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|> Compuserve: 100065,132
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|>
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I am running an HP DAT tape with Linux. Can't comment on multiple backups
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on 1 tape as I have not done it let. I assume that the tar "append"
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function will work properly as it does on my QIC tape which is also SCSI.
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You will want to read the SCSI How-to information about creating device
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driver files. It is very easy and only takes a few minutes.
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Good luck.
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=========================
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Michael Stanbro
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Oregon Graduate Institute
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Beaverton, Oregon
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mikes@cse.ogi.edu
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From: 930494@edna.swin.edu.au (Peter Moulder)
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Subject: Re: What is the granularity of the Linux clock ?
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Date: 19 Sep 1994 17:37:15 GMT
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Kevin Esler (esler@ch.hp.com) wrote:
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: Can a Linux user tell me what is the length of the clock tick on Linux ?
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: The following program, when compiled and run, will print it out:
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: >-----------------------------------------------------------------<
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: #include <unistd.h>
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: main ()
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: {
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: printf ("%d\n", sysconf(_SC_CLK_TCK));
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: }
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: >-----------------------------------------------------------------<
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Both the above prog and the macro CLK_TCK give 100 (ticks per second).
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Peter.
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From: tim@maths.tcd.ie (Timothy Murphy)
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Subject: Re: Where is ftape?
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Date: 19 Sep 1994 19:25:49 +0100
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Robert_Broughton@mindlink.bc.ca (Robert Broughton) writes:
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>The subject says it all. I looked around on sunsite for it, and didn't find
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>it.
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The binaries are in Slackware 2.0.0 ap series (ap4).
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--
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Timothy Murphy
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e-mail: tim@maths.tcd.ie
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tel: +353-1-2842366
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s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland
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From: remco@emc.rvt.com (Remco Treffkorn)
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Subject: Re: Word Processor for Linux?
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Date: Wed, 21 Sep 1994 09:25:05 GMT
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Reply-To: remco@emc.rvt.com
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I just bought WORDPERFECT 6.0a for windows for $87 (competitive upgrade) and
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called WP for an upgrade for SCO (linux with iBCS). This will cost me another
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$99 plus s/h. They know Linux! So, for around $200 I will have WP runing on
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Linux. I think this is not bad.
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I have not yet received my copy, but if anybody wants to know, I will
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report...
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--
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Remco Treffkorn, DC2XT
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remco@emc.rvt.com
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(408) 685-1201
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From: remco@emc.rvt.com (Remco Treffkorn)
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Subject: Re: WORD PROCESSORS FOR LINUX!
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Date: Wed, 21 Sep 1994 09:34:19 GMT
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Reply-To: remco@emc.rvt.com
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JM (jmultari@netcom.com) wrote:
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(nothing)
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WordPerfect
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--
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Remco Treffkorn, DC2XT
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remco@emc.rvt.com
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(408) 685-1201
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From: dwm@shell.portal.com (David - Morris)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.admin,alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions
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Subject: Re: How to use a host as a router - READ THIS
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Date: 21 Sep 1994 19:13:07 GMT
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Re. why not 127.0.0.0 instead of 127.0.0.1 -- the destination address must
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be a 'host' address and the host address can't be zero (0).
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From: kruithof@hannover.sgp.slb.com (Andries Kruithof)
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Subject: Re: Biz.comp.linux*
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Date: 19 Sep 1994 13:15:38 GMT
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Reply-To: kruithof@hannover.sgp.slb.com
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=>As to support from Yggdrasil themselves, while they often reply to col.help
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=>questions, they also state their policy in their manual: custom support
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=>is "for money" via a 900 line (although they have also outlined a
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I know 900-numbers can only be called
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from within the USA (this is at least true for 800-numbers). This means that
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for people outside the USA there is NO place to ask Yggdrasil questions.
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---
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| Message is author's opinion only |
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| Andries Kruithof |
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| Schlumberger Geco-Prakla |
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| kruithof@hannover.sgp.slb.com |
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From: hpulley@uoguelph.ca (Harry C Pulley)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
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Subject: Re: which is better: Mitsumi or Panasonic CDROM?
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Date: 21 Sep 1994 12:52:20 GMT
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Heiko Schlittermann (heiko@lotte.sax.de) wrote:
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: In article <35ag2f$9q4@nermal.cs.uoguelph.ca>,
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: Harry C Pulley <hpulley@uoguelph.ca> wrote:
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: >Cnd$ I can get the Mitsumi for $225 (with card) and the Panasonic/SB16
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: >multimedia kit with disks for $399.
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: I can't advise you anything, because I don't know the Panasonic. And
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: about the prices I'm irritated - what relation has the Can$ to the US$
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: or to the DM?
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The Mitsumi price came down to $200 Cnd$. The Canadian dollar is worth
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somewhere around 0.73-0.74 U.S.$ right now.
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: >Any comments on which is better or worse with Linux and why? I have seen a few
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: >complaints about Mitsumi here about the IRQ for the card (which someone said
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: >could easily be fixed by altering a header file).
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: The known Mitsumi drivers don't use the interrupt anyway, so perhaps
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: it could be disabled and the code could be cleaned up to prevent the
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: driver occupying an interrupt.
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: But --- I'm in progress of rewriting the driver so it will use the
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: interrupt. I can't see any problem. You can select the interrupt on
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: the controller card of the mitsumi and then you have to set it in
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: mcd.h to reflect the controller settings. (Just in same manner you
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: have to do it now.)
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: It's written about Mitsumis unability in reading XA Disks (Photo CD?).
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: But it's written too, that it's a drivers problem, not a problem of
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: the drive. The currently knwon drivers don't seem to support the XA
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: disks. -- It's on somebody's own (perhaps on my) to do any effort to
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: the driver to make it XA-able.
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Yes, I know that all the limitations are due to the driver. Under DOS/Windows
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the Mitsumi can read anything. I don't plan on using photo CDs in the near
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future anyways. By the time I need to use one maybe it will be supported.
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I bought the Mitsumi yesterday. Installed like a charm. Kernel recompile was
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simple as always. I am listening to 'from the cradel' by Eric clapton with
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WorkMan as I type this. Very nice program by the way.
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I got the Mitsumi because it is a bit cheaper here but more because the
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Mitsumi's seek time (1/3 stroke) is 250ms and full stroke is 380ms. The
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Panasonic's 1/3 stroke is 380ms. This is a big difference. No, I didn't do
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any side by side benchmarks on it, I'm going on spec sheets here.
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Anyways, I am happy with my purchase and would like to thank all who offered
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their advice. If anyone needs to beta test new Mitsumi drivers, drop me a note
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and I'll be happy to do some tiger testing.
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Harry
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--
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<:-{} hpulley@uoguelph.ca |This message released|It takes all kinds,
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\ Harry C. Pulley, IV |to the PUBLIC DOMAIN.|and to each his own.
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==================================+=====================|This thought in mind,
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Stay away from the DOS side, Luke!|Un*x don't play that.|I walk alone.
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From: drew@frisbee.cs.Colorado.EDU (Drew Eckhardt)
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Crossposted-To: comp.periphs.scsi,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage
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Subject: Re: NCR PCI SCSI controllers
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Date: 19 Sep 1994 23:40:19 GMT
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In article <35ksr0$b9k@umd5.umd.edu>,
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John Dowdal <jdowdal@destiny.dorm.umd.edu> wrote:
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>I would love to get rid of my future domain 1680 card since I now have
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>a more capable bus. I have read various horror stories, but not much
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>substance about NCR based scsi controllers.
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>
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>First, since my motherboard has no socket for a NCR chip,
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Of course not - the NCR53c8xx series only come in surface mount
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packages.
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>I need a whole
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>card including BIOS (so scsi disk will work with DOS).
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Not necessarily. Many PCI systems include the NCR SDMS BIOS code
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in the system BIOS, although they don't include the chip. It would
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be worthwhile doing a
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strings /dev/mem | grep -i ncr
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to see what your memory looks like.
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>Who makes such beasts?
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If you need one with a BIOS chip, Nextor's model 93 is the only one I'm
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aware of, unless you want to go with an 825 based board (FAST+WIDE,
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requires two minor patches to make it work under Linux).
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If not, ASUS, Intel, Portland, and many others make non-BIOS
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equipped boards.
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>Second, the ASUS card is $100. That is cheaper than many cheapo ISA
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>cards.
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Actually, you can find non-BIOS versions of the boards for about
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$70. Given the fact that many BIOS vendors (ie, Intel) who lacked
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NCR SDMS support for their boards have upgraded their newer ROM
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images to included it, this _might_ be the way to go (some of
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the ROM vendors can't seem to get their act together,
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and alternate between working and broken releases). Also, any
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problems caused by flakey protected mode PCI BIOSes should be
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fixed if you upgrade.
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The Nextor boards tend to run about $140ish.
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>Does this mean it is programmed IO?
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Nope, they're busmastering. Architecturally, they're similar
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to the Adaptec AIC-7770/7870 chips used on the 2xxx series, except they
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execute more complicated instructions from main memory rather than
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simpler ones from on-chip RAM, context switch in software rather than
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hardware, and have other minor differences.
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>As of now, adaptec isn't an option for me because of their nondisclosure
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>crap.
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Note that Adaptec doesn't have an NDA requirement on the hardware
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docs as is generally believed, although there is one on the
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downloadable firmware's interface.
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However, some of their tech support staff will lie to you about that fact and
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refuse to forward your calls to some one who knows what's going on.
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IMHO, that's still plenty of reason to avoid Adaptec.
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>Buslogic is an option, but they are expensive, and I want to see
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>if they are worth three times the NCR price.
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The Linux Buslogic drivers are a bit more mature. If you want top
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performance from _multiple_ devices accessed at the same time
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under Linux, right now instead of whenever I get arround to it (I need to
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finish debugging the new save/restore pointers code so the right
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values get restored after a SCSI context switch) you'll be happier with
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the Buslogic boards.
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People've had a lot of problems with the NCR boards, the
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vast majority of which break down into general PCI configuration/bug
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things. I've seen the same sorts of reports in large numbers with
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the Buslogic boards as well - you'll have it if you have broken
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PCI devices or a broken mainboard no matter what you use.
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--
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Since our leaders won't respect The Constitution, the highest law of our
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country, you can't expect them to obey lesser laws of any country.
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Boycott the United States until this changes.
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From: are1@ritz.cec.wustl.edu (Andrew Robert Ellsworth)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
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Subject: Re: TSENG W32 Server
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Date: 21 Sep 1994 14:17:32 -0500
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In article <1994Sep21.104705.13392@rdr.com>, <eruck@rdr.com> wrote:
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>
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>Does anyone know anything about the TSENG W32 server. I just got the Fall
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>release of linux and was told that the X11R6 had incorporated it. I can't seem
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>to find it. Xwin just uses the default TSENG 4000 configuration.
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>
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It's coming out (eventually) but it's still in beta testing. The only way you
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can get it (legitimately) right now is to become a dedicated beta tester. You
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can get full info on W32 beta testing from glenn@cs.utexas.edu, if they're still
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accepting beta testers (I know they have a few already).
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Andy Ellsworth
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are1@cec.wustl.edu
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From: gbraybro@opal.srv.ualberta.ca (George Braybrook)
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Subject: MODULA-2 for Linux?
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Date: 19 Sep 1994 21:42:50 GMT
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I've installed Linux on my PC so I can do my Comp Sci homework in Modula-2.
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One *teeensy* problem. Linux doesn't come with a modula-2 compiler.
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HEEELP ME! Is there one available (SRC or executable) anywhere?
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*RanmaOutlandersDirtyPairBubbleGumCrisisAh!MyGoddessTenchiMuyoKyuuketsukiMiyu*
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*Kahm-himesama - Hier to the (defunct) throne of the Santovasku empire, *
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*President of the John Walter Biles Fanfic Club, Card carrying member of the *
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*Corps of Kawaii, Green-haired, Magic-weilding Girls in Hardsuits, disciple *
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*in the great art of Martial Fanfic Writing, artist in training, otaku, and *
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*probably more than a little crazy! *
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* Kahm@AnimeMUCK *
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*"What is manga anyway? Some sort of image compression format?" anonymous *
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*"You want Ranma stay like this, pervert-girl?" Shampoo *
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*"Owie! Owie! I smush'd my dose!" Kahm *
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*I am NOT George. Thats my father. I just use this address. *
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*RanmaOutlandersDirtyPairBubbleGumCrisisAh!MyGoddessTenchiMuyoKyuuketsukiMiyu*
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