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From: Digestifier <Linux-Misc-Request@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu>
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To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Reply-To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Date: Sat, 24 Sep 94 09:13:13 EDT
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Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #813
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Linux-Misc Digest #813, Volume #2 Sat, 24 Sep 94 09:13:13 EDT
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Contents:
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Re: Seeking modem advice, experiences (Steven Pritchard)
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Re: Q: Reading from a ext2fs partition from DOS? (Dan Newcombe)
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xfree 3.2 (David H Hickman)
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Re: Is Linux faster than Os/2? Please help. (Karl Keyte)
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A good motherboard? (John Wallace)
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Re: Linux Flame Bait (Steven Pritchard)
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Re: More Memory = Slow Linux?? (Huw Leonard)
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Re: Linux/FreeBSD ISDN support (philip m. thompson)
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Re: X-windows and Number 9 card (David Fox)
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Re: Linux/FreeBSD ISDN support (Jeffrey Comstock)
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Motherboard recommendations? (John Wallace)
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Re: Don't use Linux or it's to academic! (Jeff Kesselman)
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Motif (Carlo James Calica)
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Re: Linux in OpenSystems Today (Henry Ware)
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Linux & OS/2 Partition (Wayne Adams)
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Re: Where are asm/delay.h and asm/unistd.h? (Al Longyear)
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Re: Don't use Linux or it's to academic! (Comfortably Numb)
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From: spritcha@nyx10.cs.du.edu (Steven Pritchard)
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Subject: Re: Seeking modem advice, experiences
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Date: 22 Sep 1994 22:02:56 -0600
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haynes@cats.ucsc.edu (James H. Haynes) writes:
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>Last night I noticed there are internal 14.4K modems selling as low as $75,
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>and 28.8K modems selling as low as $120. And a bewildering variety of
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>modems selling at a variety of prices. Can we collect some data on which
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>ones do or don't work well with Linux?
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All I can say is avoid anything mentioning RPI (Rockwell Protocol
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Interface). This involves software-based compression (which means using
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the garbage MS-Windows software to get compression). I consider this
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exceedingly evil. I got sucked in by a $69.95 14.4 kbps fax/modem. The
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sucker goes back tomorrow.
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I just can't wait for that $90 voice/fax/data modem... :-)
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Steve
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--
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spritcha@nyx10.cs.du.edu | Steven
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sjpritch@siucvmb.siu.edu | Pritchard
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GCS/M/S d? p+ c++(++++) l++ u+(-) e+ m+(---) s/+ !n h--- f+ g+ w@ t++ r- y?
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From: newcombe@aa.csc.peachnet.edu (Dan Newcombe)
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Subject: Re: Q: Reading from a ext2fs partition from DOS?
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Date: Thu, 22 Sep 1994 17:16:41 UNDEFINED
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In article <35srj8$cpi@digdug.pencom.com> robin@pencom.com (Robin D. Wilson) writes:
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>: Yes, but once a program exists like this someone could walk into
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>: a open (as in freely accessible) networked lab and install your
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>: ext2-access utility on a DOS workstation and potentially access
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>: any Linux workstation on the net as root. This is the security
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>: hole that we are working to avoid. So something that starts out
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>: being a program written for someone's convenience (like you
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>: describe above) could be a Internet hacker's dream.
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You're right...DOS access is much worse than someone ftping a boot/root disk
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and then booting off of that and mounting the filesystem :)
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It always boils down to - physical access to the machine is a security hole.
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-Dan
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Dan Newcombe newcombe@aa.csc.peachnet.edu
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-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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"And the man in the mirror has sad eyes." -Marillion
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From: dhickman@rocket.cc.umr.edu (David H Hickman )
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Subject: xfree 3.2
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Date: Sat, 24 Sep 1994 03:09:49 GMT
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Ok when and where will this be availble.....
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dhickman@umr.edu
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** " Why would you want to run UNIX when you can run RISC ... " **
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** - A South West Missouri CIS Graduate with a 4.0 **
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** "Dude I do not know enough about unix to know what a pgp key is **
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** - Another SMSU CIS Major **
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** "The /tmp directory on the RS/6000 is not for individual user use **
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** Any use of the /tmp will place that user in violation of the laws **
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** Of the State of Missouri" - SMSU Sysadm root@nic.smsu.edu **
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Date: Fri, 23 Sep 1994 12:47:51 +0200
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From: kkeyte@esoc.bitnet (Karl Keyte)
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Reply-To: kkeyte@esoc.bitnet
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Subject: Re: Is Linux faster than Os/2? Please help.
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Alan Cox (iialan@iifeak.swan.ac.uk) wrote:
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>
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> 12Mb is more than enough for Linux anyway.
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>
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Depends somewhat on what one is doing. If you develop and compile
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applications using OI (ParcPlace's excellent GUI builder) then 16MB is
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not bad but 32MB is much more acceptable. Less than 16MB is
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unpleasant!
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Karl
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=========================================================================
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Vitrociset S.p.A. Tel : +(49) 6151 902041
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European Space Agency Fax : +(49) 6151 904041
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64293 Darmstadt, Germany e-Mail: KKEYTE@ESOC.BITNET
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From: csjohn@perot.mtsu.edu (John Wallace)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.misc
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Subject: A good motherboard?
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Date: 23 Sep 1994 17:46:39 -0500
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Midwest Micro is selling a 486DX2/66 VLB motherboard which
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has 2 72-pin SIMM slots, and 4 30-pin SIMM slots. It
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sounds like it is a good price at $403, but it has
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a Phoenix BIOS and an ALI chipset. Does anyone know
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how OS/2 & Linux compatible this motherboard is?
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Is it a good one? I've never heard of the ALI
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chipset before. Any help would be appreciated.
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--
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(John Wallace || csjohn@mtsu.edu) && Team OS/2
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From: spritcha@nyx10.cs.du.edu (Steven Pritchard)
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Subject: Re: Linux Flame Bait
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Date: 24 Sep 1994 02:00:12 -0600
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This is completely unrelated, but if anyone is interested, there's a
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little flame-war going on in comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy (and possibly
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comp.os.unix.advocacy, though I couldn't swear to it) involving Linux and
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NT. I honestly don't remember exactly what started it, but I notice it
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is taking more and more of my time to respond to the, ahem, misinformed
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over there.
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Backup is appreciated.
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Enjoy!
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Steve
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spritcha@nyx10.cs.du.edu | Steven
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sjpritch@siucvmb.siu.edu | Pritchard
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GCS/M/S d? p+ c++(++++) l++ u+(-) e+ m+(---) s/+ !n h--- f+ g+ w@ t++ r- y?
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From: huw@isgtec.com (Huw Leonard)
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Subject: Re: More Memory = Slow Linux??
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Date: Thu, 22 Sep 1994 20:48:16 GMT
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In article <ianm.780262652@miles> ianm@qualcomm.com (Ian McCloghrie) writes:
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>hugh@asdi.saic.com (Hugh Johnson x6549) writes:
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>>The Pentium grade machines and some of the later '486 designs now
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>>allow DMA above 16 Megs. Cache for these machines are larger in
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>>size and allow cache'ng for more than 16 Meg ram.
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>Ummm... If it's an ISA bus, don't expect DMA to above 16M. You've
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>only got 24 address lines on an ISA bus, so it's a pretty fundamental
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>limitation. With PCI, EISA, or (presumably) MCA, you can get around
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>this.
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And, BTW, VL-bus. Other 32-bit OS deal with it by making the >16MB memory into
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non-DMA cache space. Anyone know if that's what Linux does?
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Huw Leonard - Speaking only for himself
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From: pmt@cyberspace.net (philip m. thompson)
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Crossposted-To: comp.dcom.isdn,mn.general
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Subject: Re: Linux/FreeBSD ISDN support
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Date: 23 Sep 1994 18:32:24 GMT
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Neal Dalton (nrd@scrapie.med.umn.edu) wrote:
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: I called Digiboard about there ISDN board and asked if they supported
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: Linux or FreeBSD. They told that they didn't support either, so I them
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: why did not support and they told me they had seen the demand for it.
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: They where planning on a SCO driver.
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: So, I think everyone should, on principle, call Digiboard and tell them
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: that they want this support.
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: DigiBoard * 6400 Flying Cloud Drive, Eden Prairie, MN 55344 * (612) 943-9020 or (800) 344-4273 * FAX (612) 943-5398
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: * E-Mail: info@digibd.com * Faxback Service: 612-943-0573 * WWW: http://www.digibd.com/
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: European Office * DigiBoard GmbH * Domkloster 1, 50667 Koln Germany * +49 (0) 221 92052 0 * FAX: +49 (0) 221 92052 10
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: * E-Mail: same as above
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: DigiBoard-Asia Pte. Ltd. * Blk 19, Kallang Avenue #07-163, Singapore, 1233 * +65 292 5998 * FAX: +65 292 2701
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Good idea. Incidentally, at Comdex/Spring, a rep at the DigiBoard booth
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told me that, while they weren't working on a driver internally, there
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were some guys at (I think) Rutgers U that were writing DigiBoard drivers for
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Linux.
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Enjoy,
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Phil
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From: fox@graphics.cs.nyu.edu (David Fox)
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Subject: Re: X-windows and Number 9 card
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Date: 23 Sep 1994 18:55:04 GMT
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In article <35tamb$eoi@owl.csrv.uidaho.edu> patt9451@uidaho.edu (Ron Patterson) writes:
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] The product supports resolutions from 640x480 up to 1600x1200 and colors from
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] 16-16 million (depending on VRAM ). Virtual Desktops are also supported. I
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] realize that at $200 it will not be for everyone though.
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What refresh rate do you get at 1600x1200 with this card?
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--
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David Fox I want my HDTV! xoF divaD
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NYU Media Research Lab baL hcraeseR aideM UYN
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Crossposted-To: comp.dcom.isdn,mn.general
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From: jrc01@maroon.tc.umn.edu (Jeffrey Comstock)
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Subject: Re: Linux/FreeBSD ISDN support
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Date: Sat, 24 Sep 1994 05:29:56 GMT
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Neal Dalton (nrd@scrapie.med.umn.edu) wrote:
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: So, I think everyone should, on principle, call Digiboard and tell them
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: that they want this support.
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about two years ago when the serial drivers where being developed, someone
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wanted information from Digiboard so kernel support for their products could
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be added to the distruibution. They said they wouldnt support linux, so
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the linux developers said the hell with them.
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--
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Jeffrey Comstock
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INET: jrc@brainiac.mn.org AT&T: 317-578-0884
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CW: -. .-. ----- -..
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From: csjohn@perot.mtsu.edu (John Wallace)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.misc
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Subject: Motherboard recommendations?
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Date: 23 Sep 1994 17:50:54 -0500
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What is a good price/performance VLB motherboard which is
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both OS/2 & Linux compatible? I have 4 60ns 1x9 SIMMs
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(30-pin) and 1 60ns 4x36 SIMMs (72 pin) to put into the
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board, although I could do without the 4 1x9s if I had to.
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Any help would be appreciated.
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--
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(John Wallace || csjohn@mtsu.edu) && Team OS/2
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From: jeffpk@netcom.com (Jeff Kesselman)
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Subject: Re: Don't use Linux or it's to academic!
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Date: Sat, 24 Sep 1994 07:48:24 GMT
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In article <35v60l$oh8@agate.berkeley.edu>,
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Josef Dalcolmo <josefd@albert.ssl.berkeley.edu> wrote:
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>>: Now, I would never (or at least not for some years) recommend Linux to
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>>: my customers as an alternative to MS-DOS or OS/2, especially not when
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>Just my 2 cents worth:
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>1. I love Linux. I hate DOS. I'm ambivalent about MS Windows.
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>2. I spent most of my spare time all summer to set Linux it up.
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>3. I spent much less time to set up DOS and Windows.
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>4. I still use DOS/Windows (and SunOs) for work.
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>5. Currently I think most people who see a computer just as a tool will have
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>a much easier time with DOS / Windows than Linux.
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>6. Power users who use many different programs and programmers may find
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>linux more appealing.
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>7. Eventually, as better ``aut of the box'' approaches become available this
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>may all change. I believe in the long run Linux may become just as easy to
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>configure as DOS / Windows or even easier, but not quite yet. (DOS in
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>particular can raise hell if you try to run a bunch of incompatible programs
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>on the same machine with ONE set of config.sys and autoexec.bat. I spent
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>weeks on that too).
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>8. The flame wars about which OS is better are mostly futile. It all depends
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>what you want. ``Better'' is a subjective assessment and depends on your
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>needs (and taste).
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>
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>-Josef
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I'll add 2 cents to make it 4. I agree with you 100%. Back in college I
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had to support intelligent but non cs researchers using PCs. Even DOS
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was a bit of a challenge for them, a UNIX is much too much OS, at least
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in its raw state.
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If someone can come up with a Linux that not only installs easily, but
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requries close to zero admin, then it might be a contender to replace DOS
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on pure end-user's machines...
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Jeff Kesselman
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From: calica@cae.wisc.edu (Carlo James Calica)
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Subject: Motif
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Date: 23 Sep 1994 04:36:04 GMT
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I'm looking into purchasing Motif. Which is the best? The two that I've
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heard of are from Metrolink and SWiM. If I ftped a dynamic bin (ie GREAT)
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would I be able to use either or must I purchase the Motif that the bin
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was compiled with. Thanks.
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| Carlo J. Calica | Linux: Choice of the GNU Generation |
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| calica@cae.wisc.edu | Dittos from the People's |
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\ University of Wisconsin | Republic of Madison /
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From: hware@bronze.coil.com (Henry Ware)
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Subject: Re: Linux in OpenSystems Today
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Date: 23 Sep 1994 00:57:02 -0400
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In article <CwG4tx.yFL@austin.ibm.com>,
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Michael Rogero Brown (Sys Admin) <michaelb@hobbie.bocaraton.ibm.com> wrote:
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>Robert Mudge (mudge@sunny.dab.ge.com) wrote:
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>One nice point he made is comparing the slowness of major developers in gettting
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>out OSs verses Linux's development.
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mini-rant:
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I'm telling ya, Linux grows in dog years relative to other systems.
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(Which system this leaves as a dog is left an an exercise to the reader).
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Phase transformation through a supercooled environment!! Growing as fast
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dendrites so far- massive transformations around the corner? (Or even
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helpful?) PC PLUS's 40000 give-away copies is amazing!!! Who says free
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software doesn't get promoted?
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normalcy:
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It will be interresting to see if this pace is maintained as Linux
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catches up to the state of the art. After all, most of what is in Linux
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so far is just a reimplementation of ideas shown to be good in other
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systems. Some of Linux's basic assumptions (ie monolithic kernel) are
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not considered state of the art. Will this increasingly hamper
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developement as time goes on? Or will the can-do spirit and skill of the
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assembled team overcome these difficulties?
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Cheers,
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Henry
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Pick your poison.
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From: wadams@pcnet.com (Wayne Adams)
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Subject: Linux & OS/2 Partition
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Date: 23 Sep 1994 01:01:40 -0400
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I have a 345 ide hd and want to install Linux on it. My current
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set-up is strictly OS/2 Warp w/HPFS. Can someone tell me how to best
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set-up my hard drive using OS/2 boot mgr? I dont really understand the
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status part (installable, bootable, or startable) or access (primary,
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logical & extended) part!
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I just want to see how it should be done. A copy of your fdisk
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w/Name, Status, Access, & File system type would be nice!
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I'll be using Slackware's Linux Prof. v2.0 on cd-rom for the install.
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Thanks to all,
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Wayne
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From: longyear@netcom.com (Al Longyear)
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Subject: Re: Where are asm/delay.h and asm/unistd.h?
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Date: Fri, 23 Sep 1994 02:17:20 GMT
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crosson@cam.nist.gov (Bob Crosson) writes:
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>I successfully installed the patches to bring my Linux-1.1.42
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>up to 1.1.50. When trying to compile the result, I get the
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>error, during a 'make dep', that asm/delay.h and asm/unistd.h
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>can't be found. They exist in asm-i386 and asm-mips, so I'd
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>assume I needed just to make a link from asm/delay.h to
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>asm-i386/delay.h and from asm/unistd.h to asm-i386/unistd.h.
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>Is this correct?
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They are still in the "asm" directory. The "asm" directory is now a
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symbolic link to the appropriate directory "asm-i386".
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If you are going to use development kernels, it is usually a good idea
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to subscribe to the linux-activists mail list for the KERNEL. If you
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do, then you missed the announcement for the 1.1.44 kernel and the
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restructuring of the asm directory. You might go back through your mail
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archives of the channel and re-read the announcement.
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asm -> asm-i386/
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asm-generic:
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bitops.h
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string.h
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asm-i386:
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bitops.h
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delay.h
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dma.h
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io.h
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irq.h
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segment.h
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string.h
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system.h
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unistd.h
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asm-mips:
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bitops.h
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delay.h
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mipsregs.h
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segment.h
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string.h
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system.h
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unistd.h
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Al Longyear longyear@netcom.com
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From: mustang@acy1.digex.net (Comfortably Numb)
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Subject: Re: Don't use Linux or it's to academic!
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Date: 23 Sep 1994 15:49:15 GMT
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Svein Erik Brostigen (serik@oslonett.no) wrote:
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: <Flam-bait follows!>
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: First, please excuse my language - English is my second language,
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: Norwegian is my first.
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: Now, I would never (or at least not for some years) recommend Linux to
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: my customers as an alternative to MS-DOS or OS/2, especially not when
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: we are talking about networks and day-to-day use of business programs.
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--deleted stuff--
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: My customers are like all other customers, they will use wordprocessors,
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: spreadsheets and so on. They are now used to be able to see the same thing
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: on the screen as they will get on the paper. They need to import data
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: from a wide range of other products, read MAC disks etc.
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: In a network environment, things like RAID 5 and STRIPING both adds to
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: security and speed.
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: When it comes to TokenRing and MCA based machines, well IBM is the
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: biggest player in the computer world no matter what you people of the
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: .edu thinks!
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I understand where you're coming from, but I think you are under-
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estimating Linux as an operating system as well as it's software base. I'd
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have to agree that for most applications where I work, IBM/DOS/Windows is
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the way to go...and I hate IBM and Microsoft. (Although OS/2 is pretty
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cool.)
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I think Linux's biggest weakness is lack of software for the
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business environment. However, with all the development going on, I
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think Linux has a chance of becoming a major OS.
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Linux definately has its strong points too. It's powerful. It
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really allows you to push your computer to the limit. I was also
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suprised to find it to be more stable than OS/2 and Windows. DOS is an
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outdated operating system as far as I'm concerned. For me, installing
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DOS on an awesome computer is like crippling a thoroughbread.
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As far as technical support goes... After thinking about it, I've
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been able to get answers faster on comp.os.linux.help and #linux than
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through IBM Tech Support.
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Besides technical reasons, there are other reasons that I like
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Linux. Yeah, it's free, but it's not only that. Linux doesn't belong to
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IBM or Microsoft, it belongs to everyone (sorta.) To me it's great to be
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involved in something where everyone's working together on something they
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enjoy. I'd also bet that most Linuxers are using it because they LIKE
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working with an OS that's still in it's developmental stages.
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CN
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