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From: Digestifier <Linux-Misc-Request@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu>
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To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Reply-To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Date: Sun, 25 Sep 94 06:13:11 EDT
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Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #819
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Linux-Misc Digest #819, Volume #2 Sun, 25 Sep 94 06:13:11 EDT
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Contents:
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Re: OpenStep on GNU or Linux? (DAVID L. JOHNSON)
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Re: How to swap CDs from inside DOSEMU (2nd post)? (Rob Janssen)
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Re: IP Addresses For Standalone LAN (Rob Janssen)
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Re: P5-90 MHz beats SGI R4000-100MHz. (Peter C. Norton)
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Re: P5-90 MHz beats SGI R4000-100MHz. (Peter C. Norton)
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Request: Slides/foils for talk required (Iain Lea)
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Re: Ygg Fall Release Problems (Tim Laren)
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Re: Linux is a GNU system and the DWARF support (Stephen J Bevan)
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Re: PPP install and setup (Piotr Kapiszewski)
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Re: Don't use Linux or it's to academic! (Yasuo Ohgaki)
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Re: Sony MiniDisc (Mark Dobie)
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Help: Conflicts after using Linux (Knight Commander)
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From: dlj0@Lehigh.EDU (DAVID L. JOHNSON)
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Crossposted-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy
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Subject: Re: OpenStep on GNU or Linux?
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Date: 22 Sep 1994 01:37:17 GMT
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In article <dhurter-2109941153070001@mac501.kip.apple.com>, dhurter@world.std.com (Don Hurter) writes:
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> With all the OpenStep porting speculation going on, I'm wondering about
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>two Unii that would truly get OpenStep in the hands of many interested
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>developers or hackers. I have no idea where GNU stands these days, but if
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>it is indeed Mach-based then GNUSTEP seems like a no-brainer as an
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>experimental project.
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You mean the HURD project I guess. Still a long way off itself,
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as far as I have heard.
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>
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> Linux appeals to Intel owners who probably inherited their machines with
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>Windows installed,
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What? What does Windows have to do with linux? (Ans: Nothing -- except wine)
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yet want to learn the inner secrets of Unix without a
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>huge investment. The important feature of the Linux community is their
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>sense of innitiative and openness towards developing public tools and
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>utilities. These are the kinds of people that NeXT unfortunately let go
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>when they stopped supporting academia.
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Let go? BS. NeXT NEVER supported any sort of real develpment outside of
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stuff they got a cut of. Even their hardware was aimed at maximizing the amount
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of money you gave directly to them. This is Jobs' way of operating:
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we (they) supply you with everything (at a cost). Nothing else is compatible,
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and it all is color-coordinated.
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>
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> I realize that NeXT cannot afford to nurture an unruly lot like the
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>Linux crowd, but support is not what they really need (they provide their
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>own.) However, there could be a few, low-cost bones that NeXT could throw
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>in their direction that could pay off big in the future.
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They blew it from the beginning by not going with X. They didn't care about
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compatibility, and paid the price. I don't see them changing heart. It
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would be GREAT to see an X/NextStep combination (not an X emulator under NS),
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but we'll have to wait and see.
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If OpenStep can
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>somehow be wrestled to run on Windows 2000 (truth _can_ be stranger than
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>fiction), ...
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Now there's a scary thought...
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--
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David L. Johnson dlj0@lehigh.edu or
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Department of Mathematics dlj0@chern.math.lehigh.edu
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Lehigh University
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14 E. Packer Avenue (610) 758-3759
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Bethlehem, PA 18015-3174 (610) 828-3708
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From: rob@pe1chl.ampr.org (Rob Janssen)
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Subject: Re: How to swap CDs from inside DOSEMU (2nd post)?
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Reply-To: pe1chl@rabo.nl
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Date: Sat, 24 Sep 1994 22:33:21 GMT
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In <35tr68$m59@garlic.com> mwarnock@garlic.com (Matt Warnock) writes:
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>I have a research program I want to run from dosemu. It uses several
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>CDs and prompts for them to be swapped as needed. Alternatively, it can
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>be set up to issue a dos command at each disk swap (such as to dynamically
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>DOS-mount from a CD server).
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>I have one CD drive, a Toshiba 3401. When Linux mounts a disk, it locks the
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>eject button until the drive is unmounted (correctly so). So I can't just
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>swap the disks, if the disk was mounted under Linux. But I can't get
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>dosemu to see the drive at all if the disk is not Linux-mounted.
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>Is there a way to issue a DOS command to umount/prompt/remount a CD under
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>dosemu? Or is there a way to make dos map MSCDEX to a linux device driver?
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>Can lredir load as a named device driver for MSCDEX to see?
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>The dosemu docs are serriously lacking in this area...
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I don't think you can use it via a DOS command, but you certainly can
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switch to another screen, umount /cdrom, swap the disk, and mount /cdrom
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again. Then go back to the DOS screen and tell it you have swapped the
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disk.
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Rob
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--
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=========================================================================
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| Rob Janssen | AMPRnet: rob@pe1chl.ampr.org |
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| e-mail: pe1chl@rabo.nl | AX.25 BBS: PE1CHL@PI8UTR.#UTR.NLD.EU |
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=========================================================================
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From: rob@pe1chl.ampr.org (Rob Janssen)
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Subject: Re: IP Addresses For Standalone LAN
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Reply-To: pe1chl@rabo.nl
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Date: Sat, 24 Sep 1994 22:44:24 GMT
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In <1994Sep24.165911.4051@tsunami.demon.co.uk> ben@tsunami.demon.co.uk (Benjamin John Walter) writes:
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>: Are there IP addresses set aside for standalone LANs? Where are they
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>: documented?
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>Okay, I have two suggestions... In ``TCP/IP Network Administration''
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>by ORA, it says that the address with a first byte "Greater than 223,
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>indicates the address is reserved. We can ignore these reserved
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>addresses". You shouldn't find people using those addresses on the
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>Internet, so I guess you could use address then 224.0.0.x for your own
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>LAN.
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That will give you even more trouble than 192.0.0.1 !!!
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These addresses above 224 are not to be used for hosts. The address
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you mention is an IP Multicast address.
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Rob
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--
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=========================================================================
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| Rob Janssen | AMPRnet: rob@pe1chl.ampr.org |
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| e-mail: pe1chl@rabo.nl | AX.25 BBS: PE1CHL@PI8UTR.#UTR.NLD.EU |
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=========================================================================
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From: pn002b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Peter C. Norton)
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Subject: Re: P5-90 MHz beats SGI R4000-100MHz.
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Date: Sat, 24 Sep 94 02:54:08 GMT
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Even though this is a bit off topic, the point here is that rather then
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pay >$10,000 US for an Indigo, you can get a PC if all you want is a
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generic UN*X-like box. Absolutely true.
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The integrated A/V is still Vaporware, though, until I see at least an
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Indigo^2 with Cosmo compress and a Broadcast quality video frame
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buffer/ capture board (meaning at least Beta(YRV), RGB, or D1 at or
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above specified broadcast quality levels). That's not here yet, and
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though SGI promises it in the next few months, I just went through
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enough months of pain trying to get a Mac product with similar
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promises up and running to make me leery. But then, SGI is goooood.
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So, if what you want to do is putz around with a un*xlike OS, and learn
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about networking cheaply (likeme) then Linux is the god. Pray at the alter.
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Download the distribution, and be merry!
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--
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pn002b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu | "The deeper I talked, | Hello! My
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spacey@maestro.com | The worse I got into | Name is:
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======================================= | it!" |
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Ignore at your own (admittedly small) | --King Crimson | Peter
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risk! This has been a warning. | | ^^^^^^^
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From: pn002b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Peter C. Norton)
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Subject: Re: P5-90 MHz beats SGI R4000-100MHz.
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Date: Sat, 24 Sep 94 02:59:19 GMT
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In <EWERLID.94Sep23221403@frej.teknikum.uu.se> ewerlid@frej.teknikum.uu.se (Ove Ewerlid) writes:
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>> What about ECC checked memory ? What about a >200MB/sec bus ?
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>Yup! Got one in front of me that does more than 200Mb/sec (64 bits wide)
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Ummm. Excuse me? You don't know what you're talking about.
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>This is a vanilla P90 system!
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>However, the disk throughput suck as I only have one IDE drive on an
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>ISA bus. It is, however, not noticable due to the amount of DRAM available.
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No, no, no (shaking head sadly). First, I believe that the PCI bus is
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only 32 bits wide. Now go and do your math. Second, have you any means of
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benching your bus at optimum performance? I think you're in for a hard
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dose of reality...
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---Peter
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From: iain.lea@anl433.erlm.siemens.de (Iain Lea)
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Crossposted-To: de.comp.os.linux
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Subject: Request: Slides/foils for talk required
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Date: 24 Sep 1994 12:03:06 GMT
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I will be giving a 1 hour talk to approx. 150 people on 20th October and
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will be creating about 30 overhead foils. If anyone has already given a
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general overview talk and have a few foils lying around I would appreciate
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any pointers, ideas, text etc.
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Iain
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PS. If I get the ok after the talk the foils will go up for ftp so
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contribute now especially if you have anything about commercial apps
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that run or will be ported to Linux.
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--
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iain.lea@erlm.siemens.de +49-9131-7-43402
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'Raus aus dem Alltag, rein in die Kiste'
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From: hacker@kaiwan.com (Tim Laren)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
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Subject: Re: Ygg Fall Release Problems
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Date: 24 Sep 1994 22:43:15 -0700
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eruck@rdr.com wrote:
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: I purchase the Yggdrasill Fall release yesterday and can't get it to install
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.....
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: I tend to think that it must not like something on my system due to the fact
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: that I can boot from the disk and run it from the CD and get the exact same
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: results. Yggdrasil if your out there... HELP...
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: Eric
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I have installed this release on 386, 486 and P90 systems, maybe you got a bad
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disk???
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--
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========================================================================
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Hacker Electronics (818) 882-7980 Tue-Sat hacker@kaiwan.com
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21010 Devonshire St (818) 772-9934 BBs/Fax hackerec@ix.netcom.com
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Chatsworth, CA 91311 (818) 772-0435 ISDN FidoNet: 1:103/811
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From: bevan@cs.man.ac.uk (Stephen J Bevan)
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Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
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Subject: Re: Linux is a GNU system and the DWARF support
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Date: 25 Sep 1994 08:20:21 GMT
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[ Sorry for the slow response, I'm just getting articles over a week
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old - bevan ]
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In article <35coc3$k7g@Venus.mcs.com> macgyver@MCS.COM (MacGyver) writes:
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: Am I right in assuming that the "give credit" part is just a
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: suggestion and not a restriction i.e. it is ok by you if someone takes
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: the source and passes it off as their own work?
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Not at all. I would say that they MUST, in fact, give the proper
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acknowledgement. I should have perhaps rephrased what I said to something
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like 'It is reasonable, and I would say in fact required, to give
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appropriate acknowledgement to the author'. My apologies for the
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abiguity.
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I still don't understand how this restriction is consistent with what
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you wrote in your original message, the relevant part being :-
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>... Placing a copyright on code you wrote is definitely something
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>worthwhile and its not something most people dispute, but, to FORCE
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>people who use a certain package to have to abide by any special
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>rules is completely ridiculous. ...
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Isn't your restriction a "special rule" which is "completely ridiculous"?
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin
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From: kapis-p@cs.Buffalo.EDU (Piotr Kapiszewski)
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Subject: Re: PPP install and setup
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Date: Sun, 25 Sep 1994 05:52:25 GMT
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Jim Williams (jim@iceworld.org) wrote:
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: Greg J. Pryzby (gjp@vtci.com) wrote:
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: : I am running the 1.1.49 kernel of Linux. I got 2.1.2a of ppp from the
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: : net and built and installed.
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: : Now the questions:
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: : There are files that are referenced in /etc/ppp, but I can't find
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: : examples of the files...
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: : There are many readme and SETUP, Notes, etc files, but they all seem
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: : to talk about what is needed to setup/install ppp and what needs to
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: : be done withour reference to the others.... I am confused,,,
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There are basically four files you are interested in:
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ppp-on
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ip-up
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ppp-off
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ip-down
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Each one of them is a shell script (at least that works for me on my machine)
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The first pair is used to setup a connection and take care of all the things
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that might be needed to use the interface.
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The second pair does the opposite.
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The ip-up and ip-down are executed by the pppd so they really have nothing to
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do with the wrappers (ppp-on and off). In my case they look something like this:
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==================== ppp=on script begin ==============
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#!/bin/sh
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#
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# ppp-on
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#
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# Set up a PPP link
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#
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#
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# "ppp-on:" messages will appear as the script is being executed
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# to prompt on what action the script is attempting
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#
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# Sun Sep 25 00:22:28 GMT 1994 - (kapis-p)
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# added the comments and made generic modifications to the script
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# Define the directory where the lock file will go
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LOCKDIR=/var/spool/lock
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# Define the device you dialing modem is attached to and its speed
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DEVICE=cua1
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SPPED=19200
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# Define the phone number to be used for dialing
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PHONE=
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# Define your ppp login and password
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USER=
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PASSWORD=
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# Define your internal IP and the REMOTE IP to be used
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OUR_IP_ADDR=
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REMOTE_IP=
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# Define the location of programs that will be called by this script
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FIX_CUA=/etc/ppp/fix-cua
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CHAT=/etc/ppp/chat
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PPPD=/etc/ppp/pppd
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echo "ppp-on: Attempting to establish a remote link..."
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if [ -f $LOCKDIR/LCK..$DEVICE ]
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then
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echo "ppp-on: PPP device is locked"
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exit 1
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fi
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$FIX_CUA $DEVICE
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echo "ppp-on: Dialing..."
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stty $SPEED -tostop crtscts
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if $CHAT -v -f connection.script
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then
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$PPPD /dev/$DEVICE $SPEED debug mru 1500 modem defaultroute $OUR_IP_ADDR:$REMOTE_IP
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echo "ppp-on: PPP deamon is running..." 1>&2
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sleep 10
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exit 0
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else
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echo "ppp-on: PPP call failed" 1>&2
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exit 1
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fi
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) < /dev/$DEVICE > /dev/$DEVICE
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======================== ppp=on end ==========================
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========================ppp=off begin ========================
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#!/bin/sh
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#
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# ppp-off
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#
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# Terminate a PPP link
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#
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# "ppp-off:" messages will apear as the script is being executed
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# to prompt on what action the script is attempting
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#
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#
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# Sun Sep 25 00:22:28 GMT 1994 - (kapis-p)
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# added the comments and made generic modifications to the script
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# Send a SIGINT to the pppd
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echo "ppp-off: Sending SIGINT to pppd pid(`ps -ax | grep "pppd /dev" | grep -v "grep" | awk '{ print $1 }'`)..."
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kill -2 `ps -ax | grep "pppd /dev" | grep -v "grep" | awk '{ print $1 }'`
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echo "ppp-off: pppd is down!"
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exit 0
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==================== ppp=off end =======================
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======================ip=up begin ============================
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#!/bin/sh
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#
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# /etc/ppp/ip-up
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# A program or script which is executed when the link
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# is available for sending and receiving IP packets
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# (that is, IPCP has come up). It is executed with
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# the parameters interface-name tty-device speed
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# local-IP-address remote-IP-address.
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#
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# This program or script is executed with the same
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# real and effective user-ID as pppd, that is, at
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# least the effective user-ID and possibly the real
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# user-ID will be root. This is so that it can be
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# used to manipulate routes, run privileged daemons
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# (e.g. sendmail), etc. Be careful that the con-
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# tents of the /etc/ppp/ip-up and /etc/ppp/ip-down
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# scripts do not compromise your system's security.
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# Define args which the script will receive from the ppp-on
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INTERFACE=$1
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TTY_DEVICE=$2
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SPEED=$3
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LOCAL_IP=$4
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REMOTE_IP=$5
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REMOTE_UP_PROC=ping
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echo "ip-up: Starting process [$REMOTE_UP_PROC] to keep connection up" 1>&2
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/bin/ping somemachine
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======================== ip=up end ===========================
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======================= ip=down begin ==============================
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#!/bin/sh
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#
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# /etc/ppp/ip-down
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# A program or script which is executed when the link
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# is no longer available for sending and receiving IP
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# packets. This script can be used for undoing the
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# effects of the /etc/ppp/ip-up script. It is
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# invoked with the same parameters as the ip-up
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# script, and the same security considerations apply,
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# since it is executed with the same effective and
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# real user-IDs as pppd.
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# Define args which the script will receive from the ppp-off
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INTERFACE=$1
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TTY_DEVICE=$2
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SPEED=$3
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LOCAL_IP=$4
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REMOTE_IP=$5
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=================== ip=down end =========================
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===================== conversation.script ==================
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ABORT BUSY ABORT 'NO CARRIER' '' ATZ OK ATDT555-1212
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CONNECT
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"" ogin: USERNAME ssword: PASSWORD
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#### in the above you should put your own USERNAME and PASSWORD not thees
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#### words. and then remove these two lines...
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Ok here they are. There is still some problems though. Namly I am having
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problems keeping the connection up automatically.. I have to manual run
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some command such as ping or something to keep it up. The automatic way
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which I included in the above scripts doesnt work for me.
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I posted a question about it to the group too so maybe someone else knows.
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Also there is no 'on-demand dailing' support in this version of pppd so
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you can do somthing like telnet machine and have your modem dial it up
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and establish a connection.
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A daemon that can do that is dp-2.3 or somthingk like that but I am having
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a hell of a time trying to port it to the Linux box. Maybe someone with more
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knowledge of the internals could do that.
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I will make the above scripts nice and upload them to sunsite some time soon
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or I can post them here since they are small enought if there is interest.
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I hope that will help you get started. I just got my box on the net in the
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same way and it kicks.... (or blows chunks as my friend likes to refer to it) ;-)
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-Kapi
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Kapi, 542 Baldy Hall, 645-2448
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From: yohgaki@mercury.cair.du.edu (Yasuo Ohgaki)
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Subject: Re: Don't use Linux or it's to academic!
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Date: Sun, 25 Sep 1994 04:28:05 GMT
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Rob Fugina (rfugina@mcdgs01) wrote:
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: In article <jeffpkCwMJ0o.uK@netcom.com>,
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: Jeff Kesselman <jeffpk@netcom.com> wrote:
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: >I'll add 2 cents to make it 4. I agree with you 100%. Back in college I
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: >had to support intelligent but non cs researchers using PCs. Even DOS
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: >was a bit of a challenge for them, a UNIX is much too much OS, at least
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: >in its raw state.
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Hmm. I think UNIX better than DOS and easier to use than MS-DOG, since
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chances are high there are people who adm it. (^_^)
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: >If someone can come up with a Linux that not only installs easily, but
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: >requries close to zero admin, then it might be a contender to replace DOS
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: >on pure end-user's machines...
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: Even DOS and Windoze require administration. It doesn't get done, and that's
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: why most DOS/Windoze machines are a MESS. Stray files, improperly configured
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: software, lost temporary files taking up disk space. What a waste of money
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: and resources...
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Agreed. I've seen lots of PCs that waste resources bacause of lack of
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adm knowledge.
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However, UNIX is not easy to use if users (who dosen't know UNIX well)
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have no idea about UNIX administration.
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Yasuo Ohgaki
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e-mail: yohgaki@phoebe.cair.du.edu
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From: mrd@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Mark Dobie)
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Subject: Re: Sony MiniDisc
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Date: 23 Sep 1994 10:03:51 +0100
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In <35hnhi$20o@ugle.unit.no> aalstad@idt.unit.no (Anders Alstad) writes:
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>You use the same disks as in the audio system, so they get realy cheap
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>I think 15$ for 140Mb.
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It would be really great if these drives could *write* audio format
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discs too. Then you could record from a sound card and not have to mess
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about with tape and stuff.
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Also, it would be really neat for automatically managing a computer based
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database of all your MDs. Just pop it in and you can get all the track
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information, edit it, make up your favourite music compilations etc.
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Anyone know if this is likely? I guess the drive would have to know how
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to compress the audio data as well as how to decompress it.
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Mark
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Mark Dobie MS Windows? Linux and X!
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University of Southampton M.R.Dobie@ecs.soton.ac.uk
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From: jsk52145@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Knight Commander)
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Subject: Help: Conflicts after using Linux
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Date: 25 Sep 1994 06:03:21 GMT
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I've got Linux installed along with DOS and OS/2 on a multiboot
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system. Unfortunately, after I use Linux and warm reboot, I have conflicts
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(either IRQ, DMA, addresses, or something) with Windows in DOS and OS/2.
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When I start either up, it repeats the sound over and over again --
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eg. the opening fanfare gets repeated.
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I've got a Gateway 2000 486DX33, with 8Mbs of RAM, 256K cache, with
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COM1 (IRQ 4), COM2 (IRQ 3), PAS16 (IRQ 5, 10 and DMA 1, 7), NE2000
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ethernet card (IRQ 11, address $360). I've got all the standard
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setups otherwise.
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Any ideas? I'd hate to have to Reset after every use of Linux (booting
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twicw for every use!)
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Thanks.
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Jonathan Kua
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jsk52145@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
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