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From: Digestifier <Linux-Misc-Request@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu>
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To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Reply-To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Date: Wed, 28 Sep 94 22:13:12 EDT
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Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #840
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Linux-Misc Digest #840, Volume #2 Wed, 28 Sep 94 22:13:12 EDT
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Contents:
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Re: Don't use Linux or it's to academic! (Irtegov Dmitry Valentinovich)
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Re: CD-ROM with /pub/Linux tree of SUNSITE? (Steven Hovater)
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Re: pkzip for dos? (zachary brown)
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Re: Orchid Kelvin 64 Xfree86 Driver Availability ??? (Martin Oldfield)
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How to pronounce Linux?? (David Ransier)
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Re: Linus' visit to Perth (S. Keeling)
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Re: How to pronounce Linux?? (ACC Corp.)
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Re: New Linux Distribution (Mike Suzio)
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Re: Linux goes commercial (Tom Barringer)
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Re: Special Sale On QNX! (las@light-house.uucp)
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Re: Editors/WordProcessors for Linux (Klamer Schutte)
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Re: Linux goes commercial (las@light-house.uucp)
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Tuning Linux with bdflush? (Lars Marowsky-Bree)
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Re: Linus' visit to Perth (Magnus Bodin)
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Re: How to pronounce Linux?? (S. Joel Katz)
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i486-????-linux (was Re: Horrific bug in DOOM! (MS-DOS lives!)) (Mr D R Barlow)
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Re: New Linux Distribution (Scott Barker)
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Ada Compiler for Linux (Shujaat Siddiqui)
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Re: New Linux Distribution (Matt Welsh)
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From: fat@Indy (Irtegov Dmitry Valentinovich)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
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Subject: Re: Don't use Linux or it's to academic!
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Date: 28 Sep 1994 15:15:45 GMT
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Reply-To: fat@cnit.nsk.su
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In article <CwnG9r.GEJ@mcdgs01.cr.usgs.gov> rfugina@mcdgs01 (Rob Fugina) writes:
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> In article <jeffpkCwMJ0o.uK@netcom.com>,
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> Jeff Kesselman <jeffpk@netcom.com> wrote:
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> >I'll add 2 cents to make it 4. I agree with you 100%. Back in college I
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> >had to support intelligent but non cs researchers using PCs. Even DOS
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> >was a bit of a challenge for them, a UNIX is much too much OS, at least
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> >in its raw state.
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> Even DOS and Windoze require administration. It doesn't get done, and that's
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> why most DOS/Windoze machines are a MESS. Stray files, improperly configured
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> software, lost temporary files taking up disk space. What a waste of money
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> and resources...
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I'd tell you more. UNIX (and Linux in particular) is easier to administrate
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than networked DOS. In DOS you `easy' install packages, TSR and drivers,
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and without tuning you easy convert your system into a bloody mess.
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After installing PC NFS+Novell you're get 300K of free memory <grin>.
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BTW, I cannot say that installing both of them is easy process.
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To make system usable you should `tune' it. That tuning involves loading
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some of scrap to UMB <grin>.... Just figure out, what are UMB, HMA, EMS & XMS.
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Or, better, try to explain to naive UNIX programmer, what they are.
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You should be careful: that programmer could die from laugh...
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That `easy to use/administrate' Windose is bloody mess from the beginning.
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Just an example:
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We have network installation of Windose 3.1 on Netware server.
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Most users have no write access to server Windose directory - OK.
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We need win32s to run Mosaic. I download public domain distibution,
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and try to install it. It starts, searches for server directory,
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and screams `I cannot write there!'. I say `&$^&^, log as administrator,
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install it again. Now all goes `easy'.
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OK. Then I'm trying to install it to other computer. Same thing.
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That stupid installer doesn't understand that server directory is
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already updated.
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Because I need easy way to install win32 to all of the computers on
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the network, I try to figure out, what that thing does to my
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system.ini and win.ini. I found several added lines, add same lines
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on other computer... No success. Windose starts without a warning,
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win32 don't work. And so on. I still have no clue, WHAT damned thing
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does. May be it patches win.com...
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And it's the way of MESSY-Windose `easy' administration.
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While you're following the patterns, you can live with small amount
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of problems. Once you're trying to to something SLIGHTLY non-standard,
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you're lost forever.
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Another example:
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System V already have install/uninstall command for packages,
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that keeps track of installed files and configuration changes,
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so installaion is easier than in Windose.
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Did anybody tried to get rid from Windose app?
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UNINSTALL program for Windose is a kludge, not a solution.
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So, idea that UNIX require much administration is not a fact, but
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a prejustice. However, it makes things worse for UNIX.
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One easy can change the fact: he/she just could write GUI front end
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to idtune or it's Linux analog.
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But it's very hard to change prejustice in peoples minds...
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> Rob
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Cheers,
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Fat Brother.
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`Fatal Error: Cannot enter Windows, try Doors instead'
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From: svh@verdix.com (Steven Hovater)
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Subject: Re: CD-ROM with /pub/Linux tree of SUNSITE?
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Date: Tue, 27 Sep 1994 08:51:55 GMT
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wrz@bzettler.dnai.com (Bill Zettler) writes:
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>In article <1994Sep24.130550.4295@softsousa.pt>, cmsa@softsousa.pt (Carlos Antunes) writes:
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>|>
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>|> Do you know of any CD-ROM that has the complete /pub/Linux tree directory
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>|> has seen in Sunsite?
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>|>
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>That CD is distributed by Walnut Creek CD-ROM, and is updated I believe quarterly.
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>They have a new 2-CD set just released weeks ago.
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>Walnut Creek CDROM
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>1547 Palos Verdes Mall, Suite 260
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>Walnut Creek, CA 94596
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>1-510-674-0783
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>1-510-674-0821 FAX
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Yeah, but don't try to buy if directly from Walnut Creek - they have to
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charge full list ($40), and you can buy it all day long for $19 at hamfests,
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computer shows, and distributors...
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Steve
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--
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Steven V. Hovater (703)318-5839
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Software Engineer Rational Software Corporation
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EMAIL: svh@verdix.com Amateur Radio: AA5YH
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From: zbrown@lynx.dac.neu.edu (zachary brown)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
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Subject: Re: pkzip for dos?
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Date: 28 Sep 1994 19:05:14 -0400
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zip -r filename.zip filelist
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will create a zip file recursed through subdirectories.
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unzip filename.zip
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will unzip and automatically create all necessary directories.
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These programs can handle pkzip files.
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These files can be handled by pkzip.
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Nuff said?
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From: mjo@mrao.cam.ac.uk (Martin Oldfield)
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Crossposted-To: git.unix.linux,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.admin
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Subject: Re: Orchid Kelvin 64 Xfree86 Driver Availability ???
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Date: 27 Sep 1994 10:55:50 GMT
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>>>>> "Raymond" == Raymond Ho <rayho@ix.netcom.com> writes:
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In article <365bln$mmh@ixnews1.ix.netcom.com> rayho@ix.netcom.com (Raymond Ho) writes:
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Raymond> I would like to know too, I have a Diamond Speedstar 64
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Raymond> PCI which uses the same Currus Logic 5434 chip. I've
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Raymond> configured it as a clgd5424 for X and it works fine for
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Raymond> all the display modes, except when I exit, then when
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Raymond> screen will just goes into funny characters. I have
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Raymond> tried using the clgd543x driver but with no luck.
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I've got the same problem with an Orchid Kelvin 64. I think the X
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server uses some of the font-area on the card. As a hack I run setfont
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after leaving X. Don't do this on a VC whilst X is still running;
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things crash.
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Cheers,
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--
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Martin Oldfield, MRAO, Cavendish Labs, CAMBRIDGE, CB3 0HE
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Work: 0223 337365 Fax: 0223 354599 Home: 0223 67940
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The pursuit of perfection, then, is the pursuit of sweetness and light...
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He who works for sweetness and light united, works to make reason
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and the will of God prevail - Arnold
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From: davidr@wv.mentorg.com (David Ransier)
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Subject: How to pronounce Linux??
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Date: 28 Sep 1994 15:33:49 GMT
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I've heard two pronunciations of Linux, both are variations of the "i" sound.
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My natural tendancy is to pronounce the "i" like "hi". The other common
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pronunciation has the "i" sound like "in".
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Is there a correct pronunciation?
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Thanks,
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David Ransier
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+++++++++++++
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David Ransier davidr@pdx.mentorg.com These comments are my own. I paid for
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Office: (503) 685-1528 them. I own them. They're not my
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Fax: (503) 685-7704 employers, and you can't have them.
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+++++++++++++
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From: keelings@wl.aecl.ca (S. Keeling)
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Crossposted-To: alt.config
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Subject: Re: Linus' visit to Perth
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Date: 26 Sep 1994 16:13:51 -0500
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In article <365l6c$lj4@crl.crl.com>, Bill Hogan <bhogan@crl.com> wrote:
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>
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>I thought I might post a brief summary of Linus' presentation at WAUG.
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[stuff deleted]
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>on the Sunday for a week in Singapore. And then will end another leg of
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>the Linus Torvalds World Tour. I would've volunteered to show Linus
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What I want to know is, who's going to be the the one who
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produces and distributes the "Linu[sx] World Tour" t-shirts. Who ever
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it is, put me down for an X-Large, please. =[8]-)
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keelings@wl.aecl.ca s. keeling, aecl - whiteshell labs
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--
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keelings@wl.aecl.ca s. keeling, aecl - whiteshell labs
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From: info@acc-corp.com (ACC Corp.)
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Subject: Re: How to pronounce Linux??
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Date: Thu, 29 Sep 1994 00:26:04 GMT
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In Article <36c5r8$ggd@fungusaur.UU.NET>, rpark@uunet.uu.net (Richard Park)
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wrote:
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>In article <36c3pv$41e@panix3.panix.com>,
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>S. Joel Katz <stimpson@panix.com> wrote:
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>>>Is there a correct pronunciation?
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>> There is a correct pronunciation and an incorrect pronunciation.
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>>The 'I' is short. Linux almost rhymes with 'shucks'. Or, if you prefer
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>>'Lih-nuhks'.
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>
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>This is the topic of a religious war. If you look at older versions of the
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>FAQ, it says the correct pronunciation is the one specified above.
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So the question is really: How should "Linux" be pronounced in english.
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The trick I use is based on an emailed conversation I had with Linus while
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writing the interview for the first issue of Linux Journal:
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Linus credits the name LINUX to a friend of his who posted the first version
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of the OS to the net under the name LINUX. Linus (a name with, at least in
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english, a long i), who is a decent and humble human being, went along with
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the name on condition that it was not named after him, but after the first
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OS that inspired him to write Linux, namely MINIX.
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Given that Minix, at least in english, has a short i, that is how I
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pronounce Linux. BUT I always qualify any discussion on this subject with:
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as long as you talk about Linux no one cares how you pronounce it.
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Cheers, Bob.
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ACC Bookstores
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"Home of the PC UNIX - Linux Catalog"
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1 (800) 546-7274
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info@acc-corp.com
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From: msuzio@tiamat.umd.umich.edu (Mike Suzio)
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Subject: Re: New Linux Distribution
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Date: 28 Sep 1994 11:40:01 -0400
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madrid@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Juana Moreno) writes:
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>My distribution, tentatively called "WIn-dos Transition" (WIT), would have
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>the following features:
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> - Defaults to SINGLE USER mode. No need to show the complications
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> of multiuser accounts to newbies who will likely use it
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> personally.
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Bad idea. Even a newbie user could quickly understand that he logs
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in under a user name, and gets a setup designed for him. So many people
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use networks at work today that the concept of logging in to a system is
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not intimidating. If they then are introduced to the concept that you
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must login as a "superuser" to configure the system, they should be able to
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understand it.
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It's essential that an intro to Unix include this concept; it's one of the
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major features of it, that it's a multi-user system. One setup for Dad,
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one for Junior, one for Mom, etc.
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> - Only one shell: bash, with lots of aliases that match as closely
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> as possible the COMMAND.COM commands and the utilities in
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> the DOS directory. Maybe it won't be very difficult to
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> include a .BAT->.sh translator.
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Sounds OK. This is very similar to the approach I take with getting Unix
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accounts for people I know are DOS literate but Unix dummies. Alias all
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the commands to DOS-like equivalents.
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Be sure to note things like the cp "feature" of overwriting files if a bad
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wildcard is given to it. If you don't know what I mean, reconsider this
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whole idea...
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> - Only enough utilities to match the functionality of the DOS
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> standard utilities plus the major unix winners like
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> grep, awk and sed. (But not vi or emacs!!!).
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Agreed, no need for vi or emacs. Go with joe or pico.
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> - NO NETWORKING, except for maybe a terminal program (minicom) and
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> a mostly configured SLIP (client side only). In that case,
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> maybe Mosaic should be also included.
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If you want to go so far as to include SLIP, you should include some sort
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of Web Browser. If they have the Web, they have access to most of the
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protocols they need to survive for a while on the Net.
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> -NO SCSI. Most home dos-win users don't even know what SCSI is.
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Wrong. Many machines in the Pentium range come with SCSI options now, and
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it's surprising how many clueless users are shelling out the $$$ for these
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kinds of features, just because of the cool buzzword. Include SCSI
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support.
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> -XFree 3.1 configured to use the VGA16 server (mono or color) with
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> a generic (low resolution) Xconfig.
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Yep, include that.
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> - Utilities to match the standard Windows applets:
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> Winfile -> Xfm-1.3
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> Progman -> Xfm-1.3
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> Notepad -> Axe (?)
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Just use the standard editor here
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> Write -> Ez
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Well, ez fails to impress me, and it's kinda big. Might reconsider this
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one.
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> Terminal -> Minicom (Seyon?)
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Minicom should do. Seyon requires diddling with Resources, right? That
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might be too complex.
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> Mediaplay -> ?????
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> Dos windows -> Xterm,rxvt (of course !!!)
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> Whatelse???
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> - Only one window manager: FVWM
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> - No developing tools.
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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If you need to conserve space, I guess I understand this one. It's just so
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non-Unix, though...
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>Well, that's my idea. I'd like to hear comments before I start packaging
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>everything, because if you think this is useless I'd like to know before
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>I waste my time. All suggestions will be appreciated.
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Well, as an intro package, this sounds OK. Not sure if it's going to be
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Unixy enough to truely sway the DOS/Win user to the dark side, though.
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|+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++|
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| Michael J. Suzio msuzio@umich.edu |
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| Marketing Director - Friday Knight Games |
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| aka "That F*K*G company!" |
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|+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++|
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From: tomb@bedford.progress.COM (Tom Barringer)
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Subject: Re: Linux goes commercial
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Date: 28 Sep 1994 15:29:46 GMT
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Reply-To: tomb@progress.com
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In article <368tm2$lf6@freenet3.scri.fsu.edu>, c-clark@freenet2.scri.fsu.edu (Champ Clark) writes:
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>
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> My boss swears up and down that he read somewhere that Linux
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> is no longer going to be a "free" (when I say that, I mean,
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> you dont have to buy it.. you can FTP it) anymore. He states
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> that the author (linus) has decided to make "linux" a commerical
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> product. I told him that I though this was odd, and i figured
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> I would have heard *something* around usenet about that (that
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> would be pretty big news!). I told him there was commerical
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> *distributions* of linux, but that was no to be confused with
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> "linux" itself (ie = kernel source). He stated, "nope,
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> Linux itelf will go commerical... It will no longer be
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> a public freeware/public domain OS, but a commercial OS",
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> which I took as "Similar to SunOS for x86" or "SCO"...
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>
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> First off, if you have any information about this ppllleeasasse
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> mail it to me...
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>
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> Tell me it aint so! Mail me, and I will forward artciles
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> to him.. Thanks
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It ain't so 'cause it can't be so, even if for no other reason than that.
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Take a look at the license under which Linux is distributed.
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Free forever.
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--
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Tom Barringer : Progress Software Corp. : LINUX:
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QA Development : 14 Oak Park : The choice of a
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tomb@progress.com : Bedford, MA 01730 : GNU generation.
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GEnie: T.Barringer : #include <std/disclaim.i> :
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HREF="ftp://ftp.progress.com/tomb/tomb.html"
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From: las@light-house.uucp
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Subject: Re: Special Sale On QNX!
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Date: Wed, 28 Sep 1994 16:33:42 GMT
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Reply-To: whome!light-house!las@planix.com
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Lewis De Payne (lewiz@netcom.com) wrote:
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: scheidel@gate.net wrote as best he could:
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: [--a blatant ad shunning all other o/s and pushing his qnx shit--]
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: I just forwarded this guy's ad back to him, along with a nasty note.
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: An automated procmail script immediately sent me back a two-page reply
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: stating that the ad was "Forged - Not posted by him", and that the
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: message header would prove it. So, I extracted this:
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You are wrong. The article was _mailed_ from uwaterloo.ca to
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inca.gate.net, and then posted from there. Check out the
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"X-Mail-Path" line .
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: Path: netcom.com!netcomsv!cirrus!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!sgiblab!pacbell.com!att-out!undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca
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: !zmailer--not-for-mail
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: From: scheidel@gate.net ()
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: Subject: Special Sale On QNX!
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: X-Mail-Message-Id: <849328273928.C72D265@inca.gate.net> <<== his host.
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: Message-ID: <CwoGGB.JFM@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca>
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: Originator: root@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca <<== Wow!!!
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: Precedence: normal-delivery
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: Sender: news@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (news spool owner)
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: Nntp-Posting-Host: inca.gate.net <<== HIS nntp!!!
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Cheers,
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Laszlo Herczeg
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*** Ask me about the Toronto Linux Users Group (TLUG) ***
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From: klamer@ph.tn.tudelft.nl (Klamer Schutte)
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Subject: Re: Editors/WordProcessors for Linux
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Date: Wed, 28 Sep 1994 15:02:17 GMT
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In <367881$196t@fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu> dlj0@Lehigh.EDU (DAVID L. JOHNSON) writes:
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:In article <366g5rINN1sfm@sat.ipp-garching.mpg.de>, krasel@alf.biochem.mpg.de (Cornelius Krasel) writes:
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:>Editors I know of (I still stick to vi and think of moving to emacs):
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:Additions/corrections:
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:>- vi in different flavours (I use vim, there is also elvis and probably others)
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:>- emacs in different flavours
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:>- joe (emacs variant?)
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:>- jove
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:>- axe
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:>- ed
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:>- xedit
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:>- doc (editor especially for TeX)
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:doc is NOT an editor for TeX. Its output is NOT TeX, but more like the save
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:format that ez uses. However, doc has no option to print your files. It is
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:also unbelievably slow.
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doc (are we talking about the doc application from interviews?) is a word
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processor rather then an editor. The output format of TeX looks very much
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like LaTeX. It can print in postscript format (perhaps only to file -- have to
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check on that.)
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:addition (my favorite): asedit -- motif based. There are otehrs.
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:>Maybe we should add a more complete list to the FAQ (if there isn't already
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:>something on word processing in there).
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I fully agree.
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Klamer
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--
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Klamer Schutte -- +31-15-786054 / +31-15-692000
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klamer@ph.tn.tudelft.nl / schutte@tpd.tno.nl
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http://www.ph.tn.tudelft.nl:2000/People/klamer/Klamer.html
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From: las@light-house.uucp
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Subject: Re: Linux goes commercial
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Date: Wed, 28 Sep 1994 18:56:54 GMT
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Reply-To: whome!light-house!las@planix.com
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Champ Clark (c-clark@freenet2.scri.fsu.edu) wrote:
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: My boss swears up and down that he read somewhere that Linux
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: is no longer going to be a "free" (when I say that, I mean,
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: you dont have to buy it.. you can FTP it) anymore. He states
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: that the author (linus) has decided to make "linux" a commerical
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: product. I told him that I though this was odd, and i figured
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: I would have heard *something* around usenet about that (that
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: would be pretty big news!). I told him there was commerical
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: *distributions* of linux, but that was no to be confused with
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: "linux" itself (ie = kernel source). He stated, "nope,
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: Linux itelf will go commerical... It will no longer be
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: a public freeware/public domain OS, but a commercial OS",
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: which I took as "Similar to SunOS for x86" or "SCO"...
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commercial ?
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You mean, like, one day Linus will get a real job?
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Cheers,
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Laszlo Herczeg
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*** Ask me about the Toronto Linux Users Group (TLUG) ***
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Date: 28 Sep 1994 00:00:00 +0200
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From: lmb@pointer.han.de (Lars Marowsky-Bree)
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Subject: Tuning Linux with bdflush?
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Bdflush offers quite alot options to finetune the linux filesystem.
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Has anybody already played around with them and can tell me how to
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improve speed?
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--
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Lars Marowsky-Bree Voice: +49-571-63663 PGP-key via return receipt
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VirNet: @9:492/7158 Fido: @2:2449/620.16 InterNet: lmb@pointer.han.de
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## CrossPoint v3.02 ##
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From: magnus@brax.se (Magnus Bodin)
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Subject: Re: Linus' visit to Perth
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Date: Wed, 28 Sep 1994 09:31:29 -0500 (EDT)
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Reply-To: magnus@brax.se
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In article <367dif$e4q@wu1.wl.aecl.ca> keelings@wl.aecl.ca writes:
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> What I want to know is, who's going to be the the one who
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> produces and distributes the "Linu[sx] World Tour" t-shirts. Who ever
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> it is, put me down for an X-Large, please. =[8]-)
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Me too.
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From: stimpson@panix.com (S. Joel Katz)
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Subject: Re: How to pronounce Linux??
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Date: 28 Sep 1994 11:57:51 -0400
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In <36c2ct$4bs@hpbab.mentorg.com> davidr@wv.mentorg.com (David Ransier) writes:
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>I've heard two pronunciations of Linux, both are variations of the "i" sound.
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>My natural tendancy is to pronounce the "i" like "hi". The other common
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>pronunciation has the "i" sound like "in".
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>Is there a correct pronunciation?
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>Thanks,
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>David Ransier
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There is a correct pronunciation and an incorrect pronunciation.
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The 'I' is short. Linux almost rhymes with 'shucks'. Or, if you prefer
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'Lih-nuhks'.
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S. Joel Katz Information on Objectivism, Linux, 8031s, and more
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Stimpson@Panix.COM is available at http://www.panix.com/stimpson/
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Time flies like an arrow -- fruit flies like a banana.
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From: xuuah@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr D R Barlow)
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Subject: i486-????-linux (was Re: Horrific bug in DOOM! (MS-DOS lives!))
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Date: 28 Sep 1994 16:58:05 +0100
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In article <9426318.14044@mulga.cs.mu.oz.au>,
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fjh@munta.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Fergus Henderson) writes:
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>xuuah@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr D R Barlow) writes:
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>>My preferred one is 'i486-unknown-linux'. But I wish there was a
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>>quick way to test this from a shell script.
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>Try the following shell script.
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Yes. Thanks. I should have thought of that -- I upgraded emacs only
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the other day.
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On a more general note: can we change it? 'unknown' smacks of 'I'm
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guessing here'. I know that you can spec it manually to be whatever
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you want (my emacs binary is 'i486-opus-linux') -- the basic question
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is *what*.
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First off, we're not all using the same vendor, and I guess many Linux
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users built their own system anyway. Second, the vendor doesn't
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matter worth a damn anyway (from an emacs compilation point of view,
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that is). So we need a vendor-neutral term that describes i486 linux
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systems. My suggestion is prompted by listening and reading the way
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which other linux users refer to their computers, and hence I propose
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i486-box-linux
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I'm off to recompile emacs etc now...
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Well, what do you think? Is it all a stupid waste of time? I though
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it would make a change from 'I get 6fps on doom in ...' and 'Buy QNX
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now'. If enough people respond favourably I'll mail the author of the
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script below and request a change.
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Daniel
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From: scott@galileo.cuug.ab.ca (Scott Barker)
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Subject: Re: New Linux Distribution
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Date: Thu, 29 Sep 1994 01:14:06 GMT
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S. Lee (sl14@crux3.cit.cornell.edu) wrote:
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> Is it possible to make a "Instant DOS-installable Linux"? What if
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> somebody
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[description of how to install a umsdos Linux system from a zip file under dos]
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> Whoa! Instant Linux!
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> Admittedly this would be slower than a Linux running under ext2, but
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> the installation would be less scary to the new user because
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> everything is done under DOS up until the last step, where they type
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> in a command and find themselves get right into Linux. And it is
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> totally uninstallable, too - just delete the whole X:\Linux tree.
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If this could be done, I think it's a great idea! I also am running a fully
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native Linux using ext2, and quite enjoy it. I had a little difficulty
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installing, but that was over a year ago, when a lot of people had difficulty
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installing. Over the last year, I've noticed a steady decline in the number of
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people with unix experience who have trouble installing linux. On the other
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hand, I've noticed an increase in unix newbies who have trouble installing. If
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they could install a zip file from dos, and then switch to linux as a last
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step, I think we could win over a lot of converts! After the initial install,
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they could learn at their own pace (hopefully eventually wiping most of their
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DOS and primarily running Linux :)
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scott@galileo.cuug.ab.ca
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"Those who talk don't know. Those who don't talk, know."
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From: dpss@dprmpt.dataprompt.com (Shujaat Siddiqui)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
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Subject: Ada Compiler for Linux
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Date: 28 Sep 94 15:15:51 GMT
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I am looking for Ada compiler on linux. I read somewhere, there is such thing
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but I missed to save the information. I will really appreciate it, if someone
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will post information for how to get the Ada compiler for Linux.
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Thanks in Adavance!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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From: mdw@cs.cornell.edu (Matt Welsh)
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Subject: Re: New Linux Distribution
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Date: Wed, 28 Sep 1994 15:21:55 GMT
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In article <36ber3$4ht@gandalf.rutgers.edu> madrid@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Juana Moreno) writes:
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>I have been thinking of putting up a new Linux distribution especially
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>oriented to DOS-Win dummies.
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Please, I just ate.
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In all seriousness, I don't think that this approach is necessary.
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It would be trivial to provide a set of Slackware/Debian/whatever
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packages which include software and configuration for people who
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are new to the system.
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But I strongly suggest against doing this. Hiding the system from
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the user is not going to teach them anything: In fact, it can
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seriously damage the user's chances of learning the system in
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the future.
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Your solution appears to be to take away the power of UNIX in order
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to make it more accessible. That is not a solution at all; that is
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enforced brain damage.
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There are things that can be done to wean new users into the world
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of UNIX. But giving Linux a lobotomy is not the answer.
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> -NO SCSI. Most home dos-win users don't even know what SCSI is.
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Ah. The joke's on me. I thought for a minute that your posting was
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serious.
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