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From: Digestifier <Linux-Misc-Request@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu>
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To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Reply-To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Date: Sun, 2 Oct 94 21:13:26 EDT
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Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #867
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Linux-Misc Digest #867, Volume #2 Sun, 2 Oct 94 21:13:26 EDT
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Contents:
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Re: 56.6 Kb simulated with 2 28.8Kb modems. Is it possible? (Whay S. Lee)
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Re: Slackware 2.0 = no more fsck on boot up?? (Jason Sokolosky)
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Re: New Linux Distribution (Markus Haendel)
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Re: Telnet & ftp freeze! (System Administrator)
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Lynx under Linux (Mubashir Cheema)
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Re: P5-90 MHz beats SGI R4000-100MHz. (Rakesh Malik)
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Re: QNX, Linux, or 386BSD? (Zaphod Beeblebrox)
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Re: Yggdrasil Linux Plug and Play CD ver1.1 ? (Adam J. Richter)
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Re: Linux everywhere? (Marcus Bainbridge)
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Re: Hmmm (Pete Chown)
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Cardinal DSP 14.4 modem (Nicholas A. Barendt)
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Re: Special Sale On QNX! (Heinz Wolter)
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In Defense of SW Technologies !! (Tim Bass (Network Systems Engineer))
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How to upgrade gcc and Xconfig problem (Wadley James Capel)
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Linux <-> Hurd (was: How Old Is Linus?) (Axel Boldt)
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From: wslee@ai.mit.edu (Whay S. Lee)
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Subject: Re: 56.6 Kb simulated with 2 28.8Kb modems. Is it possible?
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Date: 2 Oct 94 16:01:42
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In article <1994Sep23.172102.5103@umr.edu> dpe@rocket.cc.umr.edu
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(David Edwards) writes:
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>Hmmm... maybe the load balancing stuff could do this... (I have no idea
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>how much of the load-balancing stuff has been implemented, or how stable
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>it is...)... If you could set up routing tables at both ends for this, it
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>seems like it would probibly work. (Famous last words, I know... :) )
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I recall seeing a device that does just that in a catalog
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called "Black Boxes" (which unfortunately I no longer receive).
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Basically, it's a pair of black boxes, one on each end
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of the modems:
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box modem modem box
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--- --- --- ---
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--- --- --- ---
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modem modem
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I think the black boxes deal with the multiplexing of the
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signals, and appear as a single serial port to the host.
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Perhaps someone who does recieve that Black Boxes catalog can
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look it up. (not cheap though, as I recall.. )
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whay.
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
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From: sokolosk@socket.cuug.ab.ca (Jason Sokolosky)
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Subject: Re: Slackware 2.0 = no more fsck on boot up??
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Date: Sun, 2 Oct 1994 17:20:53 GMT
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Whay S. Lee (wslee@ai.mit.edu) wrote:
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: hello there.
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: I upgraded from Slackware 1.0(.2?) to Slackware 2.0.0 lately.
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: Shortly after, I upgraded the kernal to 1.1.45.
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: My problem is:
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: In the old slackware release, if a file system is found to be
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: corrupted or max-mount-count-reached, fsck is run'ed on it
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: automatically at boot up. But this doesn't seem to be the case
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: anymore in this release. What happens now is that the file systems
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: are mounted anyway, withouth invoking fsck. I can boot from floppy
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: and run fsck manually, but it doesn't reset the flag that says
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: max-mount-count-reached ... What can I do to make it behave like
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: it used to, ie. call fsck on boot up when needed ?
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: help please? please cc: me byn email too. thanks.
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: whay.
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Linux still does that. If you don't believe me then try taking down
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the system non-gracefully (e.g. shutting it off). When it reboots it
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will check the disks.
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--
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Jason Sokolosky
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sokolosk@enel.ucalgary.ca
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sokolosk@socket.cuug.ab.ca
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-Long Live the INTERNET!!!!
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From: markus@dyob.lahn.de (Markus Haendel)
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Subject: Re: New Linux Distribution
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Date: Thu, 29 Sep 1994 09:23:22 GMT
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Juana Moreno (madrid@gandalf.rutgers.edu) wrote:
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: I have been thinking of putting up a new Linux distribution especially
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: oriented to DOS-Win dummies. I have taken a nontraditional approach and
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[...]
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I've found _the_ solution:
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Booting Linux and starting the Dos-Emu by default...
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Bye,
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Markus
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--
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No sig, no trick...
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From: root@jaguar.tigerden.com (System Administrator)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.admin
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Subject: Re: Telnet & ftp freeze!
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Date: 2 Oct 1994 18:21:24 GMT
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Trevor Lampre (trevor@xanax.apana.org.au) wrote:
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[Text describing and lamenting problem my myself and others deleted.]
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: Many have. I have posted twice myself about it and seen at least 5 other
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: posts not including this thread. I have never seen a response and my emails
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: to other posters has never been answered. It's pissing me off that nobody
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: seems to know the answer or have a fix. I've been patching my kernel up
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: to 1.1.51 (I think it got worse at .51) as well as rebuilding my daemons.
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: As the admin of a public access system it is of great concern to me, I've
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: had sendmail die for about 2 days before I noticed as well as the other
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: problems described. I spend more time now checking/killing/rebooting
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: my network stuff than I do giving more value to my users. I might just
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: switch to *BSD, at least the network code works.
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Thank WHATEVER that others are seeing this problem! And thanks to
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Trevor Lampre (trevor@xanax.apna.ort.au)
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Michael Haardt ((michael)u31b3hs@pool.informatik.rwth-aachen.de)
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Thomas E Zerucha (zerucha@shell.portal.com)
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and Steve Kneizys (STEVO@acad.ursinus.edu)
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for confirming what we've been seeing! I suggest we keep this thread
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open and fill it with additional information until the problem gets the
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attention it needs. I'm not a programmer, much less a kernel hacker, so
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I can only voice frustration with the situation.
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Some additional information gleened from observations:
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First, the original problem as I originally mentioned it:
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We are running slip to our internet provider, and intermittantly
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experience telnet lockups during logins. The system either 1) refuses
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connections 2) accepts the connection, but just sits 3) provides a login
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prompt, takes input, and never gives the password prompt (ususally
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creating a login zombie in the process).
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Additional information/trends noticed:
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If the lockup occurs, allowing the telnet session with the locked
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connection to sit while starting another is *always* successful. It
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*appears* that a particular ttyp# gets buggered somehow, and forcing the
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system to seek another one will get you in. I.E. We've had *tons* of
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complaints about ttyp1 and ttyp4 lately (although I've seen the problem
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also on ttyp3 in the past).
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In the event 'refused connections' are the symptom to those telnetting in
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over the SLIP connection, logging in by adding an x-term *on the console*
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that grabs the offending ttyp port will suddenly allow SLIP telnet
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accesses.
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I thought that once a user was successfully logged in, everything was
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fine. However, I have had complaints of 'gradual slowing' or 'gradual
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slowing then locking' from a couple of users. I intiially dismissed this
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as 'net problems', but after hearing Michael Haardt's comment, I'm
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beginning to think that's what's happening to us as well. I also suspect
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that other 'general' user complaints about our 'slowness' at times would
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turn out to be the same thing as well.
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I have been experimenting with MTU sizes with ifconfig, but have no feel
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for whether or not this has any effect. I *have* noticed that MTU gets
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reset to 1500 by *something* some random time after I've changed it (note
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this is without system reboots).
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Here's a sample of what we have:
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yiffy:~# ifconfig
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lo Link encap Local Loopback
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inet addr 127.0.0.1 Bcast 127.255.255.255 Mask 255.255.255.0
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UP BROADCAST LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU 2000 Metric 0
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RX packets 0 errors 0 dropped 0 overrun 0
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TX packets 39754 errors 7 dropped 0 overrun 0
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sl0 Link encap AMPR AX.25 HWaddr
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inet addr 198.30.162.1 P-t-P 199.18.108.11 Mask 255.255.255.0
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UP POINTOPOINT RUNNING MTU 1500 Metric 0
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RX packets 1583360 errors 0 dropped 0 overrun 0
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TX packets 1995660 errors 0 dropped 16514 overrun 0
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eth0 Link encap 10Mbps Ethernet HWaddr 00:20:AF:16:4C:3E
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inet addr 198.30.162.1 Bcast 198.30.162.255 Mask 255.255.255.0
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UP BROADCAST RUNNING MTU 1500 Metric 0
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RX packets 293959 errors 0 dropped 0 overrun 0
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TX packets 285447 errors 0 dropped 0 overrun 0
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Note that a few moments prior to running this, I had set sl0 MTU to 2000,
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and confirmed that the value was accepted. Now it is 1500 again without
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any action on my part.
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One last observartion. When we first started with kernel 0.99.15, telnet
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sessions were locking up when large amounts of data was to be sent *out*.
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That is, if someone did a large directory listing or other function with
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lots of output, their session would hang. The send buffer information in
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'netstat' showed several thousand characters waiting to be sent, and the
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session would be effectively frozen. This problem was acknoledged by
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others at the time, but as in this case, no answers were provided. The
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problem went away when moving to the 1.0 kernel. So *something* was done
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bye *someone* for that one.
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I'm new to all this, and don't know all the avenues to pursue. I'd
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appreciate any help in getting this problem hilighted and information
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flowing to the *someone* who understands how the net interfaces really
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work and who can really and *finally* *fix* it! How do we proceed?
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George Nemeyer (root@tigerden.com)
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System Administrator
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Tigerden.com
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From: cheema@earth.sparco.com (Mubashir Cheema)
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Crossposted-To: comp.infosystems.www.misc,comp.infosystems.www.providers,comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.help
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Subject: Lynx under Linux
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Date: 2 Oct 1994 18:28:09 GMT
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I have noticed that when I run Lynx under Linux all available
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options get highlighted instead of the ones I move my
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cursor to.
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We have setup a guest account which by default runs lynx when
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a user telnets into our machine and logs in as guest. A new user
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who has never used lynx before gets confused. We have received
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mail from people who said they couldn't use it.
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The guest account automatically recognizes the terminal type of
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user logging in. If for some reason it can't, it prompts the user
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for that information. I do not suspect that the guest account is
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not detecting the terminal type correctly, since I see the same
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behaviour when I run lynx on my machine under xterm, vt100 etc. on
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this machine.
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If you have telnet access, open a telnet session to sparco.com and
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login as guest to see what I mean.
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Any help will be greatly appreciated.
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Mubashir Cheema - new, expanded .sig - cheema@sparco.com
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From: vlad@myhost.subdomain.domain (Rakesh Malik)
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Subject: Re: P5-90 MHz beats SGI R4000-100MHz.
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Date: 29 Sep 1994 18:16:54 GMT
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H. Peter Anvin (hpa@ahab.eecs.nwu.edu) wrote:
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: Followup to: <1994Sep24.025919.2356@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>
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: By author: pn002b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Peter C. Norton)
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: In newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc
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: > No, no, no (shaking head sadly). First, I believe that the PCI bus is
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: > only 32 bits wide. Now go and do your math. Second, have you any means of
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: > benching your bus at optimum performance? I think you're in for a hard
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: > dose of reality...
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: >
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: Your belief is incorrect. The PCI bus has both 32 and 64 bit
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: versions.
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: /hpa
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: --
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: INTERNET: hpa@nwu.edu --- Allah'u'abha ---
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: IBM MAIL: I0050052 at IBMMAIL HAM RADIO: N9ITP or SM4TKN
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: FIDONET: 1:115/511 or 1:115/512 STORMNET: 181:294/1 or 181:294/101
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: Laughter is the best medicine -- Quayle in '94.
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Does that mean that PCI-2 is available now? PCI is only 32-bits,
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but the new spec is supposed to be for 64-bit wide and faster clock. Is
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this rumour true, then?
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-Rakesh
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From: zaphod@teleport.com (Zaphod Beeblebrox)
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Subject: Re: QNX, Linux, or 386BSD?
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Date: 29 Sep 1994 11:44:39 -0700
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In article <36ailc$60c@tcsi.tcs.com>, Lee Hounshell <lee@tcs.com> wrote:
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>Dan Pop (danpop@cernapo.cern.ch) wrote:
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>: In <3680r1$dlu@girtab.usc.edu> plin@girtab.usc.edu (Po-Han Lin) writes:
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>
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>: >If one has a pc compatible with a 486, which OS is the best unix
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>: >operating system? QNX, Linux, or 386BSD?
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>
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>: You forgot to tell us what you mean by "the best unix operating system".
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>: Or specify a method of comparing two OS's. So, your question is
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>: meaningless.
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>I've been wondering the same thing. I'm developing a distributed
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>fuzzy neural network (using RPC, and TCPIP, and Internet) with a fancy
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>X-windows interface. It is intended to be portable and eventually run
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>on a variety of platforms, including PC's... assuming they ever
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>adopt a native multi-tasking OS. Anyway, I need a good unix development
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[snip]
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Ok, here's the answer:
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REAL TIME is _main_ concern: QNX4, not LINUX
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TCP/IP, XR6, GCC, Lots of GNU stuff: LINUX, not QNX4
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Here we are using both QNX4 and LINUX. Linux does a much better,
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easier, and a helluva lot cheaper job on TCP/IP, X, GCC, ... than QNX.
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QNX, however, is _far_ better at fast context switching for real-time
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apps. If you don't have a real time app, forget about QNX. QNX is not
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UNIX. Linux is much closer to UNIX. BSD/386 I gave up on 3 years back.
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It might be pretty nice, but I don't have recent experience.
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I say do the right thing... SUN: real unix and real-time.
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--
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zaphod@teleport.COM
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From: adam@yggdrasil.com (Adam J. Richter)
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Subject: Re: Yggdrasil Linux Plug and Play CD ver1.1 ?
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Date: 2 Oct 1994 18:46:58 GMT
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In <780663794snz@finale.demon.co.uk> rob@finale.demon.co.uk (Robert Willett) writes:
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>In article <jeffpkCwnMJx.7MC@netcom.com>
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> jeffpk@netcom.com "Jeff Kesselman" writes:
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>> > it can't seem to install packages from the
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>> >control panel in X-Windows [...]
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>I had problems with that, [...]
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Please read the errata sheet, which is FTPable from
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yggdrasil.com:pub/fall94/errata.
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--
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Adam J. Richter Yggdrasil Computing, Incorporated
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(408) 261-6630 "Free Software For The Rest of Us."
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From: marcus@guitar.demon.co.uk (Marcus Bainbridge)
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Subject: Re: Linux everywhere?
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Date: Sun, 2 Oct 1994 15:54:49 +0000
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David Barth (dbarth@carl.fdn.fr) wrote:
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> 1. Find a pretty virus and infect all MessyWindoze boxes around.
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DOS or Windows virus do you?
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> 2. Erase and reformat hard disks ('Sorry, there's no way else...')
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Ah! OS/2...
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[All 4 are on this machine, BTW]
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--
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Marcus Bainbridge | marcus@guitar.demon.co.uk
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Crossposted-To: alt.fan.linus-torvalds
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From: pc@dale.dircon.co.uk (Pete Chown)
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Subject: Re: Hmmm
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Date: Sat, 1 Oct 1994 11:14:45 GMT
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In article <36g7qq$1pv@classic.iinet.com.au> michael@iinet.com.au (Michael O'Reilly) writes:
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> Not everyone. :) I read thru .10, and started running it at .11. Those
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> were the days. None of these newfangled things like pageing, or
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> networking, or login's etc.
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Nostalgia time... I bought an ET4000 because it was the only card
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supported by X386. Going back a bit further, I remember replacing my
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copy of uemacs with the new port of GNU emacs, and installing the
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login program someone had just uploaded...
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In those days my Linux installation was in a 64M Minix partition, and
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the uncompressed kernel was the same size as the compressed one is
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now!
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From: nab2@po.CWRU.Edu (Nicholas A. Barendt)
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Subject: Cardinal DSP 14.4 modem
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Date: 30 Sep 1994 14:35:24 GMT
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Reply-To: nab2@po.CWRU.Edu (Nicholas A. Barendt)
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I'm new to Linux (just got X working last night! installed with
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very little fuss), so bear with me.
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Does anyone know of a Linux firmware manager for Cardinal's DSP14.4
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modem? It's quickly becoming obvious to me that this modem was a bad
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purchase (as far as number of headaches go), but I'd like to get a little
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bit more mileage out of it.
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Any help (besides buy a new modem :-) would be greatly appreciated.
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-Nick Barendt
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
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From: heinz@focus-systems.on.ca (Heinz Wolter)
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Subject: Re: Special Sale On QNX!
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Date: Thu, 29 Sep 1994 14:40:10 GMT
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In article <3644ok$csg@solaris.cc.vt.edu> balister@vt.edu writes:
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>scheidel@gate.net wrote:
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>: Why settle for slow and obselete Unix such as UnixWare, Sun Solaris,
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>: SCO, Linux or BSD when you can have POWER & RELIABILITY with QNX 4.21!
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>: Stop playing games with these inferior o/s's and switch to QNX today.
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>
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>Anyone know if qnx4.21 supports virtual memory yet?
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>
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Let's see 1k$ for the OS, another for the dev kit, another for the qnx windows
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, another for the bad networking....
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Face QNX may be OK for an embedded real time system, but a nice comfy
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development environment it aint! I'd rather have Linux's minor bugs and
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standards like X etc..
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heinz
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From: bass@cais2.cais.com (Tim Bass (Network Systems Engineer))
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Subject: In Defense of SW Technologies !!
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Date: 1 Oct 1994 02:22:48 GMT
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Everyone,
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There are only a few people who can be more demanding than me
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and to be honest, I'm a real pain sometimes about support and
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love to complain. I am not affiliated with Marvin Wu and SWT
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in any way except as a repeat customer. Marvin has helped me
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with some questions that, looking back were pretty stupid, with
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patience and care. He has ALWAYS bent over backwards to help
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me with hardware problems and has done more than any vendor
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has done for me in YEARS. Really.
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It is impossible to make 100 percent of your customers happy
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100 percent of the time. My customer service skills are at
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the bottom of the pit. I picked SWT out of about 10 'glossy'
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ads in Computer Shopper and I'm sure that NONE of them, based
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on my limited patience ( very low tolerance for pain ), would
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come close to Marvin's sincere attempt to be honest in a very
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dishonest world.
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Please don't flood my mailbox with those questions.....
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"what system did you get", just drop SWT an e-mail and
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ask Marvin, he will try his best. In todays world, that
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goes a long way with me. Marvin has an accent, so be patient on
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the phone, it's worth it.
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From: h9202225@hkuxa.hku.hk (Wadley James Capel)
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Subject: How to upgrade gcc and Xconfig problem
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Date: Sun, 2 Oct 1994 06:09:46 GMT
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I am a new linux user and I would to seek help in the following area.
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I would like to upgrade my gcc in linux. The present version I get is something
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like ver-2.4. What is the newest version of gcc? How to upgrade it??
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Also, I have difficulty in starting startx (xwindow) in my linux. Once I run
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startx or xinit, it prompt me a message stating that I need to add at least
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one line for the graphics driver in the Xconfig. Do you know what should I add
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in the Xconfig?? I am using Cirrus logic GD5428 with VL Bus.
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--
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Fai
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From: boldt@math.ucsb.edu (Axel Boldt)
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Subject: Linux <-> Hurd (was: How Old Is Linus?)
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Date: 30 Sep 1994 21:49:19 -0500
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js1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Jiann-Ming Su) said:
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Terence> sure it will happen if Linux if still around for a couple of more
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Terence> years.
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Jiann-Ming> Why would Linux go away?
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Hurd, maybe? Are they planning an 486 version at all?
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--
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Axel Boldt - boldt@math.ucsb.edu - http://emile.math.ucsb.edu:8080/~boldt/
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