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From: Digestifier <Linux-Misc-Request@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu>
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To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Reply-To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Date: Mon, 3 Oct 94 00:13:25 EDT
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Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #868
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Linux-Misc Digest #868, Volume #2 Mon, 3 Oct 94 00:13:25 EDT
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Contents:
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2 Harddrives? (Daniel Andor)
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Re: Nailed down to 386bsd or linux, now which one? (Barnacle Wes)
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Re: Telnet & ftp freeze! (Ralph Sims)
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apple2 emulator (Pat St. Jean)
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Re: How can I rank video cards for Linux? (David Simmons)
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Re: Yggdrasil Linux Plug and Play CD ver1.1 ? (Jan Willems)
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Re: LINUX pronounciation. (David Simmons)
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Probs with ppp (Thorsten Dombach)
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Re: Yggdrasil Linux Plug and Play CD ver1.1 ? (Paul Bash)
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Re: Telnet & ftp freeze! (Thomas E Zerucha)
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Re: VHDL for Linux...? (Guy Maor)
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talk/talkd and ^Z ("Douglas J. Wiegley")
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Re: Is Linux faster than Os/2? Please help. (Michael Rogero Brown (Sys Admin))
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Re: where to get the texbook (Michael Rogero Brown (Sys Admin))
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Re: Linux <-> Hurd (was: How Old Is Linus?) (Andi Kleen)
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From: daniel@hapsi.demon.co.uk (Daniel Andor)
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Subject: 2 Harddrives?
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Reply-To: daniel@hapsi.demon.co.uk
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Date: Sun, 2 Oct 1994 20:00:59 +0000
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Hello!
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Could someone please help a future Linux-er:
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My machine (at the moment running dos) has two harddrives (170 and 130). I want
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to convert my second drive into a Linux partition. Is it still possible to run
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dos of drive 1 or do I have to swap drive so that Linux is always the booting
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partition?
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Could you please e-mail me 'cos it takes ages to download the WHOLE newsgroup.
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--
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Daniel Andor ----- daniel@hapsi.demon.co.uk -----
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From: wes@indirect.com (Barnacle Wes)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
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Subject: Re: Nailed down to 386bsd or linux, now which one?
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Date: 2 Oct 1994 20:31:40 GMT
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Po-Han Lin (plin@girtab.usc.edu) wrote:
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: Ok, I didn't know QNX costs major money. So I am considering
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: either 386bsd or linux. One person said I should get linux because
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: 386bsd is monolithic (controlled I guess), while linux is non-monolithic.
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: Now the question is, which os better? Better as in...
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:
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: I hope someone can seriously asnwer these questions. Note that Im not
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: trying to start a flame. I appropriately crossposted only to the
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: relevant newsgroups that discuss these two operating systems. I
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: don't want to waste time downloading 50 or so megabytes and find out
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: that the other OS is better. Has anyone actually used both systems?
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Yep. I run FreeBSD now, because it's more familiar to me. Also, I have
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heard from people I trust, who run Linux, that the BSD networking code is
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more reliable than Linux.
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I run FreeBSD because it's familiar, having worked with SunOS for many
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years. Both Linux and Net/FreeBSD are impressive. The only reliability
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problem I've had since the FreeBSD 1.1 release is from my VGA card over-
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heating, which is unrelated to the software (since it does it under OS/2
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and MS-Windows also).
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As far as applications and hardware support, look around, see if they run
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what you want/have/need, and if so, you're probably makeing a safe choice.
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A word of caution, though: if you're seriou, get a CD-ROM drive supported
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by your system of choice and buy the OS on CD-ROM. It'll save you a ton
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of work. I know, I've done it the hard way several times: NetBSD 0.9,
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Linux, and FreeBSD 1.0 all ftp'd to work and loaded onto floppies. When
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FreeBSD 1.1 was released, I broke down and bought a $40 network card,
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which made it somewhat less painful. I'm going to buy a cd-rom when 2.0
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comes out later this month. ;^)
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If you have enough disk space, or can buy another disk, get both and decide
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for yourself. I have two disks, 340M and 424M, on my machine, running
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DOS+Win, OS/2, and FreeBSD all.
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Wes Peters
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From: ralphs@halcyon.halcyon.com (Ralph Sims)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.admin
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Subject: Re: Telnet & ftp freeze!
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Date: 2 Oct 1994 19:45:01 GMT
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root@jaguar.tigerden.com (System Administrator) writes:
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>Trevor Lampre (trevor@xanax.apana.org.au) wrote:
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>: As the admin of a public access system it is of great concern to me, I've
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>: had sendmail die for about 2 days before I noticed as well as the other
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>: problems described. I spend more time now checking/killing/rebooting
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>: my network stuff than I do giving more value to my users. I might just
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>: switch to *BSD, at least the network code works.
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>Thank WHATEVER that others are seeing this problem! And thanks to
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...
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>for confirming what we've been seeing! I suggest we keep this thread
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>open and fill it with additional information until the problem gets the
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>attention it needs. I'm not a programmer, much less a kernel hacker, so
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>I can only voice frustration with the situation.
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And what about those of us that DON'T see it? Basic setup is a
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dedicated PPP link on a 14.4 dialup, NET-3 stuff, ppd 2.1.2a,
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etc., with an InfoMagic/TransAmeritech CD-ROM combined install.
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I move many megabytes of files around via FTP daily, and another
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many megs around with mosaic and lynx. Sendmail+IDA's been
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rock-solid.
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>I'm new to all this, and don't know all the avenues to pursue. I'd
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>appreciate any help in getting this problem hilighted and information
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>flowing to the *someone* who understands how the net interfaces really
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>work and who can really and *finally* *fix* it! How do we proceed?
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The AMPR code is still beta-stuff, I think. Do you really need it?
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Also, are your users using ncftp or 'stock' ftp? Aside from the X25
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stuff in your kernel, and the fact your dialin users are seeing/causing
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this, there probably isn't much difference in the way we do things.
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I have no dialup users. So, if that's any help, there might be
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something in the way your getty handles buffering (if there is
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such as thing); I use agetty.
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From: stjeanp@enmu.edu (Pat St. Jean)
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Subject: apple2 emulator
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Date: Sat, 1 Oct 1994 07:40:35 GMT
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I was wondering if anyone has the rom images for the apple 2 emulator
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over on sunsite. I want to run it, but I do not have access to any apple
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2 machines. If you do and you are willing to share them, I am going
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to be writing some more stuff into the emulator and will share the code
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with you in trade :)
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thanks!
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--Pat
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Pat St. Jean stjeanp@math.enmu.edu
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Eastern New Mexico University Systems Administrator
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www home page --> http://chestnut.enmu.edu/~stjeanp/home.html
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GCS d--(---) H+ s+:- g- p? au0 a- w+ v- c++ ULHOSX++++ P++ L+++ 3- E--- N++
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K W--- !W M? V-- -po+ Y++ t+ 5+ j R G? tv-- b+++ D- B e+ u**--- h--- f+
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r+++ n+ y+++
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Say: He is God, the One and Only; God, the Eternal, Absolute;
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He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him.
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Quran 112 1-4 (complete)
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From: simmons@EE.MsState.Edu (David Simmons)
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Subject: Re: How can I rank video cards for Linux?
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Date: 1 Oct 1994 03:11:41 GMT
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Reply-To: simmons@EE.MsState.Edu
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In article <36hori$mbd@Ra.MsState.Edu>,
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Jiann-Ming Su <js1@Ra.MsState.Edu> wrote:
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>In article <CwrA31.HHA@murdoch.acc.virginia.edu>,
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>Larry Doolittle <doolittle@cebaf.gov> wrote:
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>>
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>>Most accelerators *are* supported by XFree now. Almost all will be
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>>supported by the next release (3.1) coming out RSN. The notable exceptions
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>>are some Diamond cards (proprietary clock chips), ATI Mach64, and Matrox.
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>>I am not sure how the P9x00 driver is coming, I guess that one is still
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>>chancy. 8514, S3, ATI, Cirrus, ET-4000/W32 all have at least some
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>>acceleration supported by XFree, if not now, in the next release.
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>>
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>I thought it was just the Diamonds and Matrox that were not supported.
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>I was under the impression that the ATI Mach64 is. In fact, our
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>local linux user's group machine is using the Mach64.
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That's because we're using a special Mach64 server that's not a part
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of the standard XFree86 distribution.
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David
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David Simmons, System Administrator simmons@ee.msstate.edu
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Mississippi State University Electrical and Computer Engineering
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Visit my home page! http://www.ee.msstate.edu/~simmons
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From: janw@cs.ruu.nl (Jan Willems)
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Subject: Re: Yggdrasil Linux Plug and Play CD ver1.1 ?
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Date: Sun, 2 Oct 1994 11:05:57 GMT
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In <780663794snz@finale.demon.co.uk> rob@finale.demon.co.uk (Robert Willett) writes:
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>In article <jeffpkCwnMJx.7MC@netcom.com>
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> jeffpk@netcom.com "Jeff Kesselman" writes:
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>> > [Stuff Deleted]
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>> > it can't seem to install packages from the
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>> >control panel in X-Windows like it says it can. I don't know why this is; I
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>> >just never had any luck making it work.
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>
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>I had problems with that, I ended up deleting the links back to the CD-ROM
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>from the directory and it's worked eversince.
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>--
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>Robert Willett
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>------------------------------------------------------------
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>"Life is too short to spend on the Internet"
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Yggdrasil users,
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I'm stuck with a few questions:
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- Is there a solution to the above described problem?
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- Why is it that the fall 1993 CD was allright as far as I knew,
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the summer 1994 gave me a lot of problems right away and this one won't
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install simple packages in Xwindows?
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- Is this really plug & play? Is it my fault? Am I doing things
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wrong? Did they test it?
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- Last but not least, are there any other CDROM's that say
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they are plug & play. I might get me one.
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Regards,
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Jan Willems.
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--
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-- Jan -- _
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Jan Willems, Department of Computer Science,| -0-0-
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Utrecht University, the Netherlands, | |
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tel: +31-30-534114, e-mail: janw@cs.ruu.nl | \_/
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From: simmons@EE.MsState.Edu (David Simmons)
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Subject: Re: LINUX pronounciation.
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Date: 1 Oct 1994 03:14:11 GMT
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Reply-To: simmons@EE.MsState.Edu
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In article <1994Sep30.152247.1@corning.com>,
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whiting_ms@corning.com (Matt Whiting) <whiting_ms@corning.com> wrote:
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>--
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>
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>Stupid question: how is LINUX pronounced? I've heard pronounced so that it
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>sounds like the "lin" in linen and so that it sounds like the "lin" in line.
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>
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Check out http://www.gtlug.org/lpd/lpd.html for the official
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Linux Pronounciation Database.
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David
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--
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David Simmons, System Administrator simmons@ee.msstate.edu
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Mississippi State University Electrical and Computer Engineering
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Visit my home page! http://www.ee.msstate.edu/~simmons
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From: dombach@neptun.cip.informatik.uni-muenchen.de (Thorsten Dombach)
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Subject: Probs with ppp
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Date: 29 Sep 94 22:58:39 GMT
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Hi all!!
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I've got some probs with ppp.
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I have a friend, his ppp works fine.
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So he made a kernel for me, gave me his pppd and his /etc directory.
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And I tried it. But nothing.
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I get following errors in /usr/adm/syslog :
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Sep 29 23:34:13 ug211aa pppd[143]: ioctl(PPPIOCSINPSIG): Invalid argument
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Sep 29 23:34:13 ug211aa kernel: ppp_tty_ioctl: invalid ioctl: 5495, addr
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bffff9e
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4
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Sep 29 23:43:27 ug211aa pppd[160]: ioctl(PPPIOCSINPSIG): Invalid argument
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Sep 30 00:34:39 ug211aa syslogd: exiting on signal 15
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Sep 30 00:38:56 ug211aa pppd[89]: ioctl(PPPIOCSINPSIG): Invalid argument
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Sep 30 00:38:56 ug211aa kernel: ppp_tty_ioctl: invalid ioctl: 5495, addr
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bffff9f
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c
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IS there anybody out there who knows this problem?
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cu all
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Thorsten
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dombach@informatik.uni-muenchen.de | God is real,
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From: bash@tware.com (Paul Bash)
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Subject: Re: Yggdrasil Linux Plug and Play CD ver1.1 ?
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Date: Mon, 3 Oct 1994 00:22:10 GMT
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In article <Cx1LHz.3H1@cs.ruu.nl>, Jan Willems <janw@cs.ruu.nl> wrote:
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>
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>Yggdrasil users,
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>
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>I'm stuck with a few questions:
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>
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>- Is there a solution to the above described problem?
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>- Why is it that the fall 1993 CD was allright as far as I knew,
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> the summer 1994 gave me a lot of problems right away and this one won't
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> install simple packages in Xwindows?
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>- Is this really plug & play? Is it my fault? Am I doing things
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> wrong? Did they test it?
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>- Last but not least, are there any other CDROM's that say
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> they are plug & play. I might get me one.
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>
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> Regards,
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> Jan Willems.
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Having worked with both of them, the obvious solution to the Yggdrasil
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problems is to junk the CD and buy the Slackware PRO CD. While the Yggdrasil
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CD-ROM shows a lot of promise, it is far behind the Slackware distribution
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in terms of "Plug and Play".
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I've installed Slackware distributions many times over the last year and never
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failed to have a running system. After 5 or 6 shots at installing a CD-ROM less
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Yggdrasil system (and yes, I read the fall 94 errata sheet), I've yet to
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be able to pull the CD-ROM out without working laboriously through the file
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system deleting symbolic links to it. That sucks.
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Yggdrasil is cute if you only want to burn 10MB of hard disk space and don't
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mind a _slow_ system running from CD-ROM. Past that, its a mess. One example:
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after following the errata instructions carefully, and installing as much
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of the system as I could on my hard drive, I then attempted to create a
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user account via the control panel. The result? "/usr/bin/usermaint: not
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found" or somesuch. Cute.
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CD-ROM distributions, given their read-only nature, _must_ have careful
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preparation since you only have one shot at doing it right. Yggdrasil's Fall
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94 CD-ROM shows all signs of being rushed out and poorly tested. I can't
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believe that anyone ever even attempted a CDROM-less installation (the only
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sane option) before they cut this thing.
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Spend your money on Slackware and you'll be glad you did.
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--
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Paul Bash Techware Design
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bash@tware.com Boulder, CO U.S.A.
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"The Net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it" -- John Gilmore
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From: zerucha@shell.portal.com (Thomas E Zerucha)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.development
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Subject: Re: Telnet & ftp freeze!
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Date: 1 Oct 1994 23:50:17 GMT
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I have found the root cause of the problem. It is a call to sock_wmalloc
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that keeps eating memory. It eventually goes over the 32767 (in skbuff.h in
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the linux includes). It tends to return EAGAIN, assuming memory would be
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made available eventually, which results in silent failure. since ping,
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and other utilities use different sockets, they start allocating at 0.
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I can't even overallow, since it only goes to 65535 (although it is a long,
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it fails at this point).
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Perhaps it is not the "root" cause, since it may be the free that is failing,
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or merely a fragmentation problem. But it only seems to affect TCP based
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protocols with PPP.
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I hope someone knowledgeable can fix this.
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---
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zerucha@shell.portal.com - main email address
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From: gmaor@npc.ece.utexas.edu (Guy Maor)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development,comp.lsi.cad,comp.lang.vhdl
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Subject: Re: VHDL for Linux...?
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Date: 29 Sep 1994 23:19:34 GMT
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John Leslie (jleslie@microbus.demon.co.uk) wrote:
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: > mainstream designs. The most common choices among people I know seems
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: > to be:
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: >
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: > Magic
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: > IRSIM
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: > Gemini
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: > WireC
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: >
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: Could somebody tell me firstly what these packages do and secondly where I can
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: get them from (I think that could be a popular request). Versions for Windows
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: or Linux or HP/UX would be preferred by me (especially linux). Thanks in
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: advance...
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: --
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: John Leslie
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I've used Magic and IRSIM, but neither is a VHDL tool. Magic is a
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simple but very easy to use layout editor. It does on-the-fly DRC (it
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uses the one variable, lambda method) and some autorouting. I've
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actually used it to produce a simple stack cpu. It's pretty fast and
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comes with a nice tutorial, but best of all is its low price - free.
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IRSIM is a timing tool, a pretty simple one compared with commercial
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ones, (like pearl - the only one I'm actually familiar with). But it
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works well with Magic - it does timing on the actual layout. It can
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do things like longest phase to phase delay, etc.
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Anyway, you can get Linux binaries of these two from
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sunsite.unc.edu in
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/pub/Linux/apps/circuits (INDEX)
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irsim.tar.z event-driven logic-level simulator for MOS circuits
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magic63p3-run.tar.gz VLSI graphical layout tool [bin]
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magic63p3-src.tar.gz VLSI graphical layout tool [src]
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Magic requires X obviously. These tools are great for learning how to
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do VLSI CMOS design/layout. I suspect they're mostly used by
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university students.
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Guy Maor
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gmaor@npc.ece.utexas.edu
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From: "Douglas J. Wiegley" <doug+@CMU.EDU>
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Subject: talk/talkd and ^Z
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Date: Thu, 29 Sep 1994 19:31:55 -0400
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has anyone else noticed that talk and ytalk really don't like to be
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suspended under linux?
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this was true from 0.99.1? up to what i'm using now 1.1.48, and through
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several versions
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of net code... just curious if anybody knows why this is...
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doug
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From: michaelb@hobbie.bocaraton.ibm.com (Michael Rogero Brown (Sys Admin))
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Subject: Re: Is Linux faster than Os/2? Please help.
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Date: Thu, 29 Sep 1994 20:26:23 GMT
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Robert Gasch (rgasch@nl.oracle.com) wrote:
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: All this discussion of Tex is making me curious: Is there an online
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: tuorial or guide detailing it's features available?
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: Thanks for any pointers
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: --> robert
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: PS: I know what it is but have no clue how to use it.
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Check out comp.text.tex. There are also several FTP sites, part of the CTAN
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(Comprehensive TeX Archive Network) which contain TeX, LaTeX, Web, etc and
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tutorials/manuals/fonts, etc. The comp.text.tex FAQ will point the way.
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There is also TUG (TeX Users Group), which maintains CTAN.
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: Robert Ashcroft (rna@leland.Stanford.EDU) wrote:
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: : In article <35r1n8$8e5@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu>,
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: : Jeffrey Nipp <jnipp@unix.cc.emory.edu> wrote:
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: : >The real question is: Why would you want to write a THESIS on emax and
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: : >latex? There are many comercial products which are much better suited to
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: : >that particular task which will run native under OS/2 or in a dos or
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: : >windows box under OS/2 and give much better performance than the unix
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: : >programs you mention.
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: : Uh, I've known numerous people who have written theses, and almost all
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: : of them used Latex or Tex or something, and most of those used Emacs
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: : while doing so. The only exception being a marketing weenie I know who
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: : wrote his thesis in MS Word on a ****ing Macintosh...
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: : And I'm using Latex and Emacs (with Auctex! Very nice package that
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: : more or less integrates the two) for my thesis.
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: : I've yet to see nicer looking math output than Tex and Latex. There is
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: : a ton of stuff available for it too, just check out the Tex newsgroup
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: : faqs sometime.
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: : RNA
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==========All Opinions Expressed are MINE, not IBM's==============
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Michael Rogero Brown (*IX System Administrator)
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IBM (uK Development) TEL/TIE (407) 443-6400
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Boca Raton, FL Internet: mikal@bocaraton.ibm.com
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If you think I speak for IBM, then I've got some swamp land^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H
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real estate to sell you.
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From: michaelb@hobbie.bocaraton.ibm.com (Michael Rogero Brown (Sys Admin))
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Subject: Re: where to get the texbook
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Date: Thu, 29 Sep 1994 20:40:29 GMT
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Hans Petter Fasteng (hansf@kfdata.no) wrote:
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: I hope to learn how to make docs in tex, I also hoped to make info pages and
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: I think I need the texbook to do this. Where can I get this book or books?
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From a bookstore. Knuth's TeXBook is not available on-line. Check out
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comp.text.tex for info on TeX/LaTeX. There are many, many books available on
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Tex/LaTeX and related programs.
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--
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==========All Opinions Expressed are MINE, not IBM's==============
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Michael Rogero Brown (*IX System Administrator)
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IBM (uK Development) TEL/TIE (407) 443-6400
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Boca Raton, FL Internet: mikal@bocaraton.ibm.com
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If you think I speak for IBM, then I've got some swamp land^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H
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real estate to sell you.
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GCM/CS d-- h-- s g+ p1 au a w+ v C++$ UA++++$ US+ UH+ P+>++ L>++ 3 N(+++) K
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W--- M-- V>-- -p+ Y+ t 5++ j(++) r !G v+ b+++ !D b--- e+++ u+ h+ f !r n x?
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From: andi@golem.greenie.muc.de (Andi Kleen)
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Subject: Re: Linux <-> Hurd (was: How Old Is Linus?)
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Date: Sat, 1 Oct 1994 13:22:37 GMT
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In article <19941001024823.AAA7336@emile.math.ucsb.edu>,
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Axel Boldt <boldt@math.ucsb.edu> wrote:
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>Jiann-Ming> Why would Linux go away?
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>
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>Hurd, maybe? Are they planning an 486 version at all?
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Hurd is being developed on a Compaq 386.
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-Andi
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|andi@golem.greenie.muc.de Nonsense is better than no sense at all.
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|Andi Kleen@2:2480/440.12 -NoMeansNo, 0+2=1
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