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From: Digestifier <Linux-Misc-Request@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu>
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To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Reply-To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Date: Sun, 9 Oct 94 15:13:28 EDT
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Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #907
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Linux-Misc Digest #907, Volume #2 Sun, 9 Oct 94 15:13:28 EDT
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Contents:
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Re: Yggdrasil Fall '94 Linux CD-ROM (Jeff Kesselman)
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Re: Dialup problem (Stinger)
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xclk.gz and SMODE (Babak Forutanpour)
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Re: Curious: Why is Linux DOOM so much slower than DOS doom (M. K. Shenk)
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Help! NCR 53c810 bootproblems after installing (Rolf Larsen)
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POLS ON THE NET (steven.rosenberg@support.com)
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Second Monitor (Mono) under X11 ? (Christoph Aichmayr)
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Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux? (Grant Edwards)
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Re: Flame on the attitude of Linux towards GCC development (Richard L. Goerwitz)
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Re: Maple V for linux! (wong tsang han)
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Re: Yggdrasil Linux Plug and Play CD ver1.1 ? (Jeff Kesselman)
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Re: Dialup problem (Timothy Murphy)
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From: jeffpk@netcom.com (Jeff Kesselman)
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Subject: Re: Yggdrasil Fall '94 Linux CD-ROM
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Date: Tue, 4 Oct 1994 18:56:22 GMT
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Hi:
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You've told us nothing abotu either the equiptment you are runnign or the
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boot up messages you see. if you can give these to us, someone can
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probobly help you.
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Ciao
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From: stinger@romeo.rlmk.no (Stinger)
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Subject: Re: Dialup problem
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Date: 9 Oct 1994 11:22:06 +0100
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Reply-To: stinger@romeo.rlmk.no
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In article <CxDAnK.F7F@pe1chl.ampr.org>, rob@pe1chl.ampr.org (Rob Janssen) wrote:
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> Use my special program for the ZyXEL, available from sunsite in directory
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> /pub/linux/system/Serial.
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> For me it works all the time. Plus you can use it as a FAX and an answering
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> machine as well...
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You didn't tell me the name, but I guess you meant the ZyXEL-1.4* archive.
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I've been playing with it about 10 mins now, and I can't get it to answer
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the phone. I'm trying to configure the thing from remote though, so there
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might be some errors at the console which I obviously can't see. :)
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Are there any faq's available btw?
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--
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->Stinger<-
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From: bforutan@crl.com (Babak Forutanpour)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
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Subject: xclk.gz and SMODE
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Date: 7 Oct 1994 10:00:44 -0700
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Im trying to follow Vesku's fix (diamond.faq) for the Diamond Stealth
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VRAM and cannot find the file xclk.gz on any of the sites. I also
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need the DOS program SMODE that comes with the purchase of a
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Diamond card.
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Any help would be much appreciated.
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If anyone has a Diamond Stealth VRAM working on a NEC 3V, please
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write me.
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--
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=o Bob <8-) Pet Shop Bob [-) FrankenBob
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;-) Pirate Bob !-) Flirting Bob %-) Contact Bob
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@-) Martian Bob ?-) School Bob X-) Malcolm Bob
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From: mkshenk@u.washington.edu (M. K. Shenk)
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Subject: Re: Curious: Why is Linux DOOM so much slower than DOS doom
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Date: 4 Oct 1994 23:27:45 GMT
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In article <36rujd$l79@news.tuwien.ac.at>,
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Thomas Gschwind <tom@csdec1.tuwien.ac.at> wrote:
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>Sujat Jamil (sujat@shasta.ee.umn.edu) wrote:
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>: I'd really like to know why does Linux DOOM run significantly slower
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>: on Linux than it does on DOS for the same machine. Is it because it
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This is not true for all machines. If you have a fast enough video card
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and enough memory that X+Doom is not a burden, and not much else running,
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the fact that you are using the accel functions of the card as opposed to
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using it as a dumb frame buffer in DOS will offset the X overhead. At
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least it does on my system--Linux doom is faster and smoother on it than
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under DOS.
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>: has to go through multiple layers of X and Linux? I've also played it
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>: on a SGI workstation, where it is reasonably fast. Of course, the
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>: machine also had a 150 MHz MIPS processor. Is there any way to
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>: make doom run faster on Linux besides getting a faster machine?
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Just buy a faster video card. A DRAM s3 card ought to be enough.
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>Kill everything, you do not need and if this is still to slow,
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>than try renicing it, see man nice.
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This too... using top and renicing any other piggy processes helps a lot.
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From: Rolf Larsen
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Subject: Help! NCR 53c810 bootproblems after installing
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Date: 9 Oct 1994 13:21:34 GMT
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I use a Install bootdisk with an updated NCR boot image which works well.
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When I installs Linux, I use custom disks ncr1 & ncr2. When these disks are installed I get
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an error message wich tells me that there are maybe missing som files on the disks, but I chose to continue,
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and everything seems to work well. (I know that the filesizes at the disk is a bit different than what
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displays in ncrdisc1 & ncrdisc2, but i just asume that there's maybe an difference in the way that unix and dos counts bytes..)
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Anyhow, in the setup I choose to not install scsi & ide files located in a1, but instead i select ncr later on.
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When setup makes a bootup floppy, it seems to take to short time to make it, and it will not work when i try to boot on it either.
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If I include scsi or ide support from disk a1, then the bootdisk that setup makes will boot, but the system will not be able to connect
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to my scsi drives.
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My conclusion is that i either do something wrong, or that i am missing som files. Anyone that can give me som help here?
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++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Rolf Larsen Digital Partner
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rolf@eunet.no Internet Provider
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PMD Data a.s Tel: +47 371 51644
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Postb. 181 Fax: +47 371 51900
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4951 RISOR Mob: 942 94005
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From: steven.rosenberg@support.com
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Subject: POLS ON THE NET
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Date: Tue, 04 Oct 94 14:41:21 -0700
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Message # 20170 has been read
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From: aichmayr@fstgds06.tu-graz.ac.at (Christoph Aichmayr)
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Subject: Second Monitor (Mono) under X11 ?
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Date: 9 Oct 1994 16:23:54 GMT
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Hi to all!
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Does anybody has an idea how to setup a second (Mono) Monitor to use under X11 with a normal SVGA
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Monitor. I have a Mono Graphics Adapter and a Tseng ET4000, and I want to use both at the
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same time. I read hundreds of FAQ and howto and README, no luck.
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I use XF86_SVGA X11R6. I know a friend of mine did this a few month ago, but he lost his
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Xconfig-File!
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Anyone any sloutions, suggestions ?
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Thanx a lot
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ac_
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Email: aichmayr@fstgds06.tu-graz.ac.at
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Graz, Austria, Europe, Planet World, Milky Way, ....
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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions
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From: grante@reddwarf.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards)
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Subject: Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux?
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Date: Sun, 9 Oct 1994 15:41:24 GMT
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Richard L. Goerwitz (goer@quads.uchicago.edu) wrote:
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: As has been noted here by others, though, Unix doesn't even have the few
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: tools that Windows does: Just a few hacked pieces of software done by
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: non-US groups who dispair of US engineers ever bothering with their
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: languages or scripts :-).
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Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on your point of view) that's
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how software development in the Unix community works. If somebody
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needs a tool that does X, they write a tool that does X. If somebody
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else likes it they might use it, if not, they don't. The author is
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usually trying to solve a particular problem and not to provide a
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generic, universal program (emacs aside).
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If I have no use for non-latin alphabets, it's not efficient use of my
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(or my employer's) time for me to add support for them to my program.
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--
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Grant Edwards |Yow! my NOSE is NUMB!
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Rosemount Inc. |
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grante@rosemount.com |
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.development
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From: goer@ellis.uchicago.edu (Richard L. Goerwitz)
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Subject: Re: Flame on the attitude of Linux towards GCC development
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Reply-To: goer@midway.uchicago.edu
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Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 20:24:30 GMT
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xjzhu@math.uwaterloo.ca (Xiaojun Zhu) writes:
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>
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>Think about the scenario, when linus announced his first release of
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>linux and no body wanted to try that out? You know the answer,
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>don't you?
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I think if everyone beta tested every piece of software to come out,
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no one would every get any work done. We all select the stuff that
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is most important to us, and try to help out as best we can. I'm
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currently working hard to help get kinks out of DOSEMU, which I think
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is a worthwhile project. It takes a lot of time, and I have to weed
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through a lot of debugging output and ftp patches every couple of days
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(plus the ones the authors want me to try out).
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I simply could not do this for every piece of software.
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--
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-Richard L. Goerwitz goer%midway@uchicago.bitnet
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goer@midway.uchicago.edu rutgers!oddjob!ellis!goer
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From: mpewth@leonis.nus.sg (wong tsang han)
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Subject: Re: Maple V for linux!
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Date: 5 Oct 1994 02:50:45 GMT
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William Huang (wyhuang@sdcc15.ucsd.edu) wrote:
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: In article <36blpu$491@j51.com> fsosi@j51.com (NightHawk) writes:
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: !William Huang (wyhuang@sdcc15.ucsd.edu) wrote:
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: !: In article <1994Sep27.003555.1874@escape.widomaker.com> shendrix@escape.widomaker.com (Shannon Hendrix) writes:
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: !: !swein@csc.albany.edu (Scott Weinstein) writes:
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: !: !
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: !
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: !: I'll be really impressed when they get Matlab working for Linux.
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: !
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: !Matlab was ported to Linux more than a year ago in Mar. 1993. But for
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: !whatever reason, it was not released. Please send emails to
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: !info@mathworks.com.
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: !
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: !Please don't send emails to me.
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: !
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: !Thanks.
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: !
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: !
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: !NH
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: Knowing mathworks, they're probably perfecting their liscense
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: manager for Linux, so that if you tried to violate their liscence,
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: your SCSI disk drive head will gouge the magnetic media.
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--
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Why do you want to use Matlab, when you can have Octave for free!!
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[*]----------------------------------[*]---------------------------------[*]
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| Wong Tsang Han | |
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| National University of Singapore | |
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| e-mail: mpewth@leonis.nus.sg | |
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[*]----------------------------------[*]---------------------------------[*]
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Only a few good things in Life comes free,
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Linux is one of them.
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From: jeffpk@netcom.com (Jeff Kesselman)
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Subject: Re: Yggdrasil Linux Plug and Play CD ver1.1 ?
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Date: Tue, 4 Oct 1994 19:32:11 GMT
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In article <pbashCx5M60.AE0@netcom.com>, Paul Bash <pbash@netcom.com> wrote:
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>In article <jeffpkCx4xuv.CoH@netcom.com>,
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>Jeff Kesselman <jeffpk@netcom.com> wrote:
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>>
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>>>My comments were constructive and to the point. Hopefully Yggdrasil will
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>>>read these and others here and take more care the next time. In the meantime
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>>>the Slackware distributions I've used have always worked perfectly and give
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>>>much finer control over the install process. Jan asked if there was a better
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>>>CD out there and I told him.
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>>>
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>>Umm, I hate to diagree with you, but you didn't start out by saying 'In
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>>response to your asking if there are other CD-ROMS available...'
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>>Rather if you look above, you will see that your opening reads:
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>> "Having worked with both, the obvious solution to the yygdrasil problem
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>> is..."
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>>I think it is QUITE reasonable to read that as a response to the question
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>> "Is there a solution to the above problem?"
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>>Said problem having been deleted. Can you now perhapse see why the
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>>deletion annoyed me?
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>>
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>
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>To the rest of this group:
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>-------------------------
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>
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>Sorry this has descended into a flame war. I had a bad day too and having this
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>snit publicly jump on my case, trying to put me down, solely because I expressed
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>a negative opinion about his current favorite toy, was more than I chose to
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>take.
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>
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>I got onto this topic because of major install problems I was having with
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>Yggdrasil Fall 94 and hoped I was just missing something. Reading through the
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>Linux newsgroups a common refrain emerged (and I paraphrase): "I'm having
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>major problems with the Yggdrasil install. After attempting x [where x > 1]
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>installs, I still don't have this thing figured out...".
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Hmm. Since you've been kind enough to give us your problems, this 'snit'
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will attempt to help you. (That IS why you are giving us this list, right?)
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>Yggdrasil's install process would be a thing of beauty, and a major reason to
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>buy the product, IF IT WORKED. Unfortunately, it is inflexible and bug ridden.
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>It tries to do too much automatically and holds no options for recovering when
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>things don't work. Here are some examples:
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> 1) At the beginning of the install process, you are prompted
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> for the disk device to partition. I have two SCSI drives attached
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> to an Adaptec 1542B controller. When I attempt to say /dev/sda it
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> says
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> FATAL ERROR: Bad logical partition
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> Press any key to exit fdisk
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> Funny, Slackware, OS/2 and DOS (all installed on the same disk) don't
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> see any problems. I have no other option except skipping the disk partition
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> phase of the install.
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I'm honestly not sure on this one, but I seem to recalll there being a
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patch bandied about thats needed for this particular controlelr to run
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two drives?? (Someone with more experience with Adpatecs feel free to jump
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in.) I don't have any experiene with this aprticualr conmtroller, I'm
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afraid. So I can't be too much help here. Its certainly possible that
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there are dfifferent versions of the kernel on your different
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distributions. Which Yygdrasil are you running? The latest (fall94) has
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a dos-callback fallback that should get you up and runing no matter what,
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if DOS can see your drives. Its not recommended as a permenant solution
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due to speed issues (thunking and droping to BIOS is slow) BUT it shoudl
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get you up so you cn apply patches where necessary....
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> 2) Once I've selected the partition I want to install into, the install
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> process insists on formatting and verifying all 257MB of it. No matter
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> if it is the 1st install or the 10th install, I'm still forced to wait
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> the 10 minutes or so it takes to analyze the partition even though I know
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> it doesn't need it. Aaaarrrggggh.
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Hmm. I find 10 minutes somewhat insignificant in terms of the time it
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takes me to copy files, etc.
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To a degree, this is the 'comfort' v. 'sportiness' factor mentioedn by
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the Linux Journel. By making assumptions about what you want to do in
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the general case, it eases the use by inexperienced people at the expense
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of some speed. If you really iknwo what you are doing and don't need
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this stuff, you can always log in as root and only run the scripts you
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need. (Not thatI recommend this. Personally, if you don't want the
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comfort level then yes, buy the sportscar! ;) )
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>
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> 3) When installing optional products, you have almost _no_ flexibility in
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> chosing what code will be installed. Sure, you can install major pieces
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> seperately, but what if I don't want to do X development, nor load server
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> versions for 20 or 30 different video cards when I only have one in my
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> system? I'm given no option. I must load all 73MB on my system then
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> manually delete those parts I don't need (assuming I even know what I can
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> delete without hosing the entire X server).
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Most people have no idea what is required in an X window system. Again,
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Ild say you are lookign for sport performance out of a sedan. Myself, I
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just delete stuff i don't need as I need the room. It works for me.
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>
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> 4) When attempting to auto-detect my modem and mouse, the install process
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> detected the mouse on the port where my modem is attached and detected no
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> modem _at all_. Even though Linux has been happily using this modem and
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> mouse for the last year. The result was that I'm thrown onto the X desktop
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> with no mouse but fvwm waiting for me to click the mouse button to indicate
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> where I want it to place the Control Panel window. I'm given absolutely
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> no chance to override what the install process detected. I have to
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> reboot the system, manually edit the Xconfig file, and start again. Good
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> thing I know where to find the Xconfig file. Many newcomers wouldn't. Nice.
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Huh? Autodetect? MY fall94 xinit runs a script that specificly asks me
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what mouse I'm using. (There WAS a script problem in Summer94 specificly
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with the ps/2 mouse, but it was fixed in Fall94). This does not sound
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ANYTHING like the Yygdrasil I have (either Summer94 OR fall94). If we
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ARE runni9gn the same version,l can only assume you didn't follow the
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directions, since I did and got totally different behavior.
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>
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>Not exactly "Plug and Play", I'd say.
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Not for you. I think how ever you have proved your earlier 'hard-on'
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point quite nicely. Ok. it isn't specificly what you want/need, that
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hardly makes it the anti-christ. It WAS exactly what i wanted/needed as
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a busy software engineer without a lot of time to fiddle with my home
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installation.
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Slackware, none of these were problems. The install process isn't as
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>flashy but, dammit, it doesn't need to be. Its an _install_ process for God's
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>sake! If I'm lucky, I'll never have to see it again.
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>
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>I installed a working Slackware Linux distribution with GNU C, emacs, man
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>pages and a VGA X server on my laptop with an 80MB disk (AND that was with a
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>5MB swap file and 11MB free disk space left over!). The only way that could
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>ever be done is by providing the installation flexibility that Slackware does.
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>With the current Yggdrasil state of affairs, this installation would be next
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>to impossible to do.
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With flexability comes choices, and a need for greater knowledge. Again,
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we are talkign about differen't products for different kinds of users.
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Myself, I have the knowledge, but not the TIME to go through a whoel host
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of choices. For me, easy, automated, and complete was alot more
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important then a high degree of flexability on teh install. I can
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perfectly capable and happy to strip stuff later as the need arises.
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(FRankly, i have SO much room left over on my 300meg SCSI so far, that
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I don't expect to have to do that for quite awhile. 'Course I didn't
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install EVERYTHING I coudl fomr Yygdrasil, just the deleopment and
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system stuff 'cause thats all I intedn to do with my machine. That was
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enough install flexabiltiy for me.)
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>
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>My experience with Yggdrasil is that Unix running from a CD-ROM is an
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>interesting curiosity but when I want real work done I don't have time to
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>figure out what hoops I have to jump through to get rid of that damn CD-ROM
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>or cram those many megabytes of software into my few megabytes of disk space.
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Funny thing is, I (and Yygdrasil 's docs) kind of agree with you. The
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cd-rom links serve 2 (and only 2 purposes).
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1: To allow people to get a peek at what UNIX is about (admittedly
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slowly) before doing the install. As you say, for 'curiousity'.
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2: To allow access to uninstalled packages to 'look them over'. I find
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this extreamly valuable. I can run a toll first to see what it does, and
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then do an install_package on it if I want it.
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By the way, the hoops you have to jump through to 'get rid of that damn
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cd-rom' are:
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umount /dev/system_cd
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And it all goes away.
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>Instead, I look for solid and dependable software and Slackware has always
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>provided that to me, both in terms of the clean, flexible installation process
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>and Patrick's choices of stable software versions to include in his releases.
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Great! I'm glad you found a distribution that meets YOUR needs.
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>
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>I wasted $35 on the Yggdrasil Fall 94 CD-ROM that I will never use.
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I have a feeling that, if you are that unhappy, and you bought it
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directly from yygdrasil theyw ill probobly refund your money. Note that
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I don't work for them, and certainly don't speak with them, but I've
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found them to be genuinely (if a bit ineptly) concerned abotu their users.
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Have you called them and asked? (Don't give me that 900 number nonsense,
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please, thier regular order number is in the back of the manual.)
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> That won't
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>keep me from buying Yggdrasil in the future, particularly when they get their
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>install problems worked out, but it will make me more careful to check here
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>before I plunk down my cash.
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Frankly, i don't thin kyou should. Your particualr list of problems have
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amde me fully understand what the author in the Linux JOurnal meant by
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his charcterization of yygdrasil v. Slackware. It sure soudsn to me like
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you are the wrong audience for Yygdrasil, an the right one for
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Slackware. Stick to what works for you.
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>
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>(If you aren't interested in Jeff and I bitching at each other, please press
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>"n" now)
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>
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>Back to Jeff's comments:
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>------------------------
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>
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>Hmmm. You start out conciliatory, but...
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>
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>I think its safe to say we disagree about the relative worth of the Yggdrasil
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>Fall 94 CD-ROM. Accept that. Try being constructive and telling the group what
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>is so great about Fall 94 instead of sarcastically attacking me for relating
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>my negative experience with the product.
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I didn't intend to attack you for your negative experiences. I'm
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geniunely sorry if it came off that way., What I WAS attacking (to use
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your term) was a diatribe without specifics, in response to a request
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for help. Now that you have given me some specifics of your problems, i
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can understand where you are comign from, and why (for the mosty part)
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your experiences are different then mine. I hope the above responses
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helped to sort it out.
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>
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>I don't think anyone else here cares to watch us battle this out in public.
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>This has _nothing_ to do with Yggdrasil's Fall 94 CD-ROM release.
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Actually it does. We have produced, IMO, finally some good solid points
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on why the Yygdrasil releas emight be wrong (or right) for someone. Same
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thign for Slackware, though less so, since I don't have your experience
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with that particualr release.
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>We _could_ start another thread about "Acceptable posting practices according
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>to Jeff", but that's a topic for another newsgroup, not comp.os.linux.misc.
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>If you do find an alternate newsgroup, particularly one that gives a damn,
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>make sure and let me know. I'll come over and join the thread.
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>
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>Better yet, just take it to email.
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I give up. Why didn't YOU?
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This is kind of childish debate tactics (here comes the return-flame..)
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Paul, and beneath your otherwise very intellegent comments above. Lets try
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to respect each others intelligences as computer professionals, shall we?
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[P.S. To all. Paul is right in a sense. I think our discussion has
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produced some good, solid comments on why the various releases might or
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might not be good for a specific person, but beyond this its probobly
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pointless. Unless Paul brings up more specific comments on the merits of
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the Yygdrasil release that I think really need another person's
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perspective to balance, Ill kill this thread in public. Thanks for your
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patience.]
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>
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>Thanks.
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Your Welcome.
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From: tim@maths.tcd.ie (Timothy Murphy)
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Subject: Re: Dialup problem
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Date: 9 Oct 1994 16:51:22 +0100
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stinger@romeo.rlmk.no (Stinger) writes:
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>> Use my special program for the ZyXEL, available from sunsite in directory
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>> /pub/linux/system/Serial.
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>> For me it works all the time. Plus you can use it as a FAX and an answering
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>> machine as well...
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>You didn't tell me the name, but I guess you meant the ZyXEL-1.4* archive.
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>I've been playing with it about 10 mins now, and I can't get it to answer
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>the phone. I'm trying to configure the thing from remote though, so there
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>might be some errors at the console which I obviously can't see. :)
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I looked at this too (I have a ZyXEL modem)
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but decided the documentation was too sparse for comfort ...
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IMHO, life's too short to spend hours trying to work out
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how you are meant to use programs.
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I'm using mgetty which is well-documented and works perfectly for me.
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--
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Timothy Murphy
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e-mail: tim@maths.tcd.ie
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tel: +353-1-2842366
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s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland
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