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From: Digestifier <Linux-Misc-Request@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu>
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To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Reply-To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Date: Thu, 13 Oct 94 06:13:15 EDT
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Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #927
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Linux-Misc Digest #927, Volume #2 Thu, 13 Oct 94 06:13:15 EDT
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Contents:
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*** PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *** (misc-2.08) (Ian Jackson)
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Re: Telnet & ftp freeze! ("Stephen Davies")
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Re: Lilo booting last booted OS. (Werner Almesberger)
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Re: Nailed down to 386bsd or linux, now which one? (Joseph W. Vigneau)
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transparent ftp filesystem? (Benjamin John Walter)
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Apology re: QNX (Brad Hull)
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Re: Applets; was: Word (Text) processors for Linux? (Josh Wilmes)
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Re: Should the FAQ be in col.admin, .misc, .development ? (Christopher Gori)
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SyQuest owners......... (Daniel Sills)
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chat \q option (Mark D. Roth)
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AFS Linux? (Michael J. Tanenhaus)
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Re: Weakest Linux Box (L Saku P Airila)
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Re: X News-reader for LinuX (Iain Lea)
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Re: Newbies? (was Re: Hmmm) (James F. Morris)
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Re: ez (was Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux?) (Grant Edwards)
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Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux? (Jim Graham)
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Re: Commercial X servers: here's one (Shawn M Carey)
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From: ijackson@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ian Jackson)
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Subject: *** PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *** (misc-2.08)
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Date: Wed, 12 Oct 1994 10:03:01 GMT
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Please do not post questions to comp.os.linux.misc - read on for details of
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which groups you should read and post to.
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Please do not crosspost anything between different groups of the comp.os.linux
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hierarchy. See Matt Welsh's introduction to the hierarchy, posted weekly to
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comp.os.linux.announce.
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If you have a question about Linux you should get and read the Linux Frequently
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Asked Questions with Answers list from sunsite.unc.edu, in /pub/Linux/docs, or
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from another Linux FTP site. It is also posted periodically to c.o.l.announce.
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In particular, read the question `You still haven't answered my question!'
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The FAQ will refer you to the Linux HOWTOs (more detailed descriptions of
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particular topics) found in the HOWTO directory in the same place.
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Then you should consider posting to comp.os.linux.help - not
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comp.os.linux.misc.
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Note that X Windows related questions should go to comp.windows.x.i386unix, and
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that non-Linux-specific Unix questions should go to comp.unix.questions.
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Please read the FAQs for these groups before posting - look on rtfm.mit.edu in
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/pub/usenet/news.answers/Intel-Unix-X-faq and .../unix-faq.
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Only if you have a posting that is not more appropriate for one of the other
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Linux groups - ie it is not a question, not a contribution to the development
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of Linux, not an announcement or bug report and not about system administration
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- should you post to comp.os.linux.misc.
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Comments on this posting are welcomed - please email me !
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--
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Ian Jackson <ijackson@nyx.cs.du.edu> (urgent email: iwj@cam-orl.co.uk)
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2 Lexington Close, Cambridge, CB4 3LS, England; phone: +44 1223 64238
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From: "Stephen Davies" <scldad@sdc.com.au>
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.admin
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Subject: Re: Telnet & ftp freeze!
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Date: Sun, 9 Oct 94 11:42:49 PDT
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I still saw the problem at 1.1.51 (but not yet at 1.1.52) but only with
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FTPD on Linux and only when the FTP client came in via PPP (pre latest
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alpha).
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I have no trouble with Linux as a client nor with FTPD when the client
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comes in via Ethernet.
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Implication: The problem is caused by some interaction between PPP (or SLIP)
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and FTPD. (??)
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I have not had a chance to test 1.1.52 or Al's latest PPP version in this
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context.
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I will try to do that this week.
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Cheers,
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Stephen.
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>Ralph Sims (ralphs@halcyon.halcyon.com) wrote:
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>: root@jaguar.tigerden.com (System Administrator) writes:
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>
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>: >Trevor Lampre (trevor@xanax.apana.org.au) wrote:
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>
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>[stuff deleted]
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>: >for confirming what we've been seeing! I suggest we keep this thread
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>: >open and fill it with additional information until the problem gets the
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>: >attention it needs. I'm not a programmer, much less a kernel hacker, so
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>: >I can only voice frustration with the situation.
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>
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>: And what about those of us that DON'T see it? Basic setup is a
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>: dedicated PPP link on a 14.4 dialup, NET-3 stuff, ppd 2.1.2a,
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>: etc., with an InfoMagic/TransAmeritech CD-ROM combined install.
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>
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>: I move many megabytes of files around via FTP daily, and another
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>: many megs around with mosaic and lynx. Sendmail+IDA's been
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>: rock-solid.
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>
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>[stuff deleted]
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>If your not seeing be thankful and provide your system configuration
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>so the experts can see whats working and whats not working
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>I am NOT seeing th problem, Have a 14.4 modem using NET-3 pppd 2.2.2a with
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>slackware 1.2 , and kernel 1.1.30. I have downloaded 20 and 30 megs in a
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>single session via ftp and never had a problem. I regularly rlogin to
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>other sites, once again without problem
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>
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>
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>Colin
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>
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========================================================================
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Stephen Davies Consulting scldad@sdc.com.au
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Adelaide, South Australia. Voice: 61-8-2728863
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Computing & Network solutions. Fax : 61-8-2741015
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From: almesber@nessie.cs.id.ethz.ch (Werner Almesberger)
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Subject: Re: Lilo booting last booted OS.
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Date: 9 Oct 1994 11:51:48 GMT
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In article <36s7k8$r7j@kubds1.kub.nl> rutger@arrakis.kub.nl () writes:
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> I would like to know if it is possible that Lilo will boot the last booted
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> OS. E.g. if I boot Linux then Lilo will keep on booting linux 'till I select
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> another OS (MS-Dos).
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LILO 0.15 will have this.
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> I liked this feature in the SLS distribution (0.99.X), but it is gone in
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> the slackware distribution.
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Well, there it was a misfeature, causing quite a lot of complaints.
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The trick there was to use /sbin/lilo -R in some /etc/rc* to set the
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new default.
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- Werner
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--
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_________________________________________________________________________
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/ Werner Almesberger, sending this from almesber@nessie.cs.id.ethz.ch /
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/______________________..._but_now_at_home_at________almesber@di.epfl.ch_/
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From: joev@res.WPI.EDU (Joseph W. Vigneau)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
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Subject: Re: Nailed down to 386bsd or linux, now which one?
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Date: 13 Oct 1994 05:54:31 GMT
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In article <37hcr1$8b6@pdq.coe.montana.edu>,
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Nate Williams <nate@bsd.coe.montana.edu> wrote:
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>
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>Having been an Ultrix administrator for some years, and run Linux for a
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>very short time and now a FreeBSD developer, I can say with certainty
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>that Linux is *nothing* like Ultrix when compared to FreeBSD. FreeBSD
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>is orders of magnitude closer to Ultrix than Linux will ever be. Some
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>would argue that it's not necessarily a good thing. :-)
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Well, FreeBSD is closer to Ultrix (which is BSD based) by definition :)
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Linux, which is SYSV based, also has a lot of BSDisms with it...
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--
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joev@wpi.edu, joev@hotblack.gweep.net WPI Computer Science Linux!
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<a href="http://www.wpi.edu:8080/~joev"> Click Here! </a>
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From: ben@tsunami.demon.co.uk (Benjamin John Walter)
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Subject: transparent ftp filesystem?
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Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 06:29:43 +0000
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Hi,
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Is anyone currently working on a filesystem that would provide
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transparent access to files over ftp? I've seen that GNU would like
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to see such an fs in their Hurd system, and I'd be interested in
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getting in touch with anyone working in this area on Linux.
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Peace, Ben
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--
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/ / (_)__ __ ____ __
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/ /__/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / . . . t h e c h o i c e o f a
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/____/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ G N U g e n e r a t i o n . . .
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From: bhull@renoir.cftnet.com (Brad Hull)
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Subject: Apology re: QNX
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Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 01:04:38 GMT
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I responded to that QNX 'ad' (or whatever it should really be categorized) by
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repeating what I had heard a couple years ago, by a person who hadn't liked
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QNX a number of years before that. I got responses indicating that QNX has
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matured quite a lot since that time and may realistically deserve attention.
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Certainly everything I've heard makes it sound like a real performing
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monster... And they've put major effort into standards conformance, have
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solid Posix compliance and so on.
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Just thought I'd be big enough to apologize for flaming without justification.
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From: wilmesj@core-dev2.eng.rpi.edu (Josh Wilmes)
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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions
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Subject: Re: Applets; was: Word (Text) processors for Linux?
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Date: 12 Oct 1994 18:26:22 GMT
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: About a year ago (as someone already mentioned in this thread), some people
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: tried to write a WYSIWYG LaTeX interface. If something with that kind of
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: power is not the object of this discussion, whoever takes this project on
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: will just be wasting their time, in my opinion. There may be no WINE before
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: its time, but I think WINE will be running word for windows long before a
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: comparably powerful packages can be put together for Linux. The lead is just
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: too great.
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Any idea what progress has already been made in this area? It seems to me
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that this would be an excellent idea!
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--jw--
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From: cgori@isengard.stanford.edu (Christopher Gori)
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Subject: Re: Should the FAQ be in col.admin, .misc, .development ?
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Date: 12 Oct 1994 23:07:42 GMT
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(iwj10@cus.cam.ac.uk (Ian Jackson)) wrote:
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>Currently the Linux FAQ is posted only to comp.os.linux.announce and
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>col.help.
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>I'm considering expanding that to include the other groups in the
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>hierarchy. Does anyone have any comments to make about this ?
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>
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Yes. Please do this. _Please_. I'm sick of reading people posting to get
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information that's in the FAQ, and _really_, _really_ sick of reading
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cross-posts between the hierarchies. If Prodigy is adding 2 million
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newbies and are being responsible enough to give them the
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"FAQ button" we should certainly oblige - if not for their sake, at least
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for our sanity.
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Is the "* READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *" also cross-posted occasionally to
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news.answers? (I presume the FAQ is). If you could drag across the
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*READ.. * posting as well that could stem the tide...
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My .02,
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Chris Gori
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cgori@isengard.stanford.edu
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http://isengard.stanford.edu/~cgori/index.html
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From: dsills@neumann.une.edu.au (Daniel Sills)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.periphs,comp.periphs.scsi,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage
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Subject: SyQuest owners.........
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Date: 12 Oct 1994 09:58:35 GMT
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Could some kind soul please email me an address for SyQuest in Armerica
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(or wherever they are located) and/or a phone number and/or some other means
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of contact with them.
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An Australian direct dealer would be even more help.
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I need a 270 Meg internal (ide or scsi + card) with around 6-7 carts (or
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less if I can get a deal) for my linux box. But here the prices are huge,
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and I want to see if I can source one myself (or pass an address onto a
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local dealer)
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If anyone has one of the above (+ tapes) for sale, I would also be
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interested in that (prefer Australia somewhere)
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Also, anyone have any info on the new 540 SyQuests? Release date? price?
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Thanx for any replies in advance, but please email only if possible.
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===== Sepulturus of Borg = Daniel Sills = dsills@turing.une.edu.au ======
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--- B.Comp.Sci. - University of New England, NSW, Armidale, Australia ---
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http://fermat.une.edu.au:70/0h/home/neumann/ug2/dsills/.www/homepage.html
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---- GCS GM d? -p+ c++++ l++ u++ e++ m--- s/ n+ h f+ !g w+ t++ r y++ ----
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=========================================================================
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From: roth@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Mark D. Roth)
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Subject: chat \q option
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Date: 12 Oct 1994 04:34:06 GMT
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Does anyone know the proper use of the \q option in a chat script?
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It's supposed to prevent a string from being logged by logging
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"???????" instead.
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My script has to send my password to the terminal servers here twice.
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So, I prefaced each instance of my password with a \q. The result was
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that every string that was sent between the two, inclusive of the
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first one, was a "???????". Then the second one and all further
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output was clear text. So, I figured, "Hmmm, it must work by toggling
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the output off and on" and I put \q before and after each password.
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Then chat ignored all the \q's and just put everything in the log in
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clear text.
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Any ideas as to the proper syntax for this option? Can someone show
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me an example script using it, and the output it generates?
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Thanks for any help...
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--
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roth@uiuc.edu | Mark D. Roth | http://www.cen.uiuc.edu/~mr4342/
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(GEEK CODE 2.1) GCS d-- H+ s++:- g+ p1>4+ !au a-- w++@ v-(*)
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C++>$ UL+>++++ P--- L++>+++ 3 E(-) N++ K++ W--- M-- V-
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po Y+ t++@ 5+ !j R-- G tv b+ D+ B--- e+(*) u+@ h>++ f+ r@ n+@ y?
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From: mtanen@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (Michael J. Tanenhaus)
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Subject: AFS Linux?
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Date: 10 Oct 1994 21:10:36 GMT
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Anyone heard if this will be ported?
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--
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--
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--
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***********************************************************************
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* Michael J. Tanenhaus "What?? It doesnt work? *
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* You dont SAY!" *
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* CIRC Tech *
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* mtanen@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu *
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***********************************************************************
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From: airila@cc.Helsinki.FI (L Saku P Airila)
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Subject: Re: Weakest Linux Box
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Date: 12 Oct 1994 19:12:37 GMT
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Linux Mac Daddy (henslelf@henslelf.student.rose-hulman.edu) wrote:
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: I was just wondering who has the weakest Linux box? What I mean by this
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: is like anyone running Linux on a 386 with 3 megs of RAM... I've got a
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: 386sx-16 with 5 megs of RAM and it works great (tons faster than DOS).
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: If anyone has a "weaker" machine that runs Linux (and you actually use
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: it) let's hear it....
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I had a Linux box with amd386sx-40 with 2MB + 7Mb swap, and I used
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it to write and run all the homework of my C-programming course. It
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worked, but awfully slow, compiling my final project ( ~15KB of code )
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took 1 hour:)
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Now I have upgraded to 8MB, and it is a lot nicer, can even run X.
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From: iain@anl433.erlm.siemens.de (Iain Lea)
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Subject: Re: X News-reader for LinuX
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Date: 10 Oct 1994 09:35:33 -0000
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James Logajan (jamesl@jamesl.slip.netcom.com) wrote:
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: I pulled the sources for both xvnews and xrn. I could not get xvnews to
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: post, even though I liked its layout better than xrn. Both xvnews and xrn
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: allow sorting of subject lines, ignoring the "re:" stuff which gives a
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: certain amount of threading.
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: I read news from netcoms' nntp server over a cslip link and found that
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: tin -r was just plain unbearably slow. Otherwise I'd use tin, since it
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Try tin -nq
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--
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iain.lea@erlm.siemens.de +49-9131-7-43402
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'Raus aus dem Alltag, rein in die Kiste'
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Crossposted-To: alt.fan.linus-torvalds
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From: jfmorris@netcom.com (James F. Morris)
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Subject: Re: Newbies? (was Re: Hmmm)
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Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 03:53:16 GMT
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In article <37aqn8$stj@rc1.vub.ac.be>, Starblood <we47932@vub.ac.be> wrote:
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>
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>What are you guys talking about?? I think nobody will beat me. My first
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>linux system will probably be Slackware 5.0. That will probably be the
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>first release that supports the IBM PS/2 architecture :(.
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What are you talking about? Have you TRIED Linux on your PS/2? I am
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running a network server at the office right now - it is a PS/2 Model
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70!
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The main issues with Linux and MCA bus machines is that the methods used
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to autodetect adapter cards, etc, do not work the same in the PS/2. For
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example, the PS/2 internal ESDI drives are non-standard. However,
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patches are available for Linux that fix that. I am using an Adaptec
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AHA-1640 SCSI adapter, which looks like an ISA based AHA-1542 to Linux.
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My Ethernet adapter is an IBM Ethernet Adapter /A, which is essentially
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an MCA version of an SMC Ultra. However, I had to modify the SMC-ULTRA
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driver slightly - hard coding the addresses, etc (autodetect problem),
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and added some setup code.
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Let me know if you are interested in the SMC driver....
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/--------------------------------------------------\
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| Jim Morris | Internet: jfmorris@netcom.com |
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| | CompuServe: 73670,762 |
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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions
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From: grante@reddwarf.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards)
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Subject: Re: ez (was Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux?)
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Date: Wed, 12 Oct 1994 18:16:18 GMT
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davis@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu wrote:
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: : : Linux needs it's own Wordprocessor. Something simple, elegant,
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: : : and moderately powerful. And we need it yesterday. The
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: : : question is how to accomplish this?
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: :
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: : Who about Andrew's "ez" ? I think that's what you want.
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: It is X only. I think Linux needs something more general for non-X
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: terminals. I spend 90% of my time using MS-Kermit connected via a dialup
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: line. I imagine that I am not alone.
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Whoa!
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You want it to run on an uppercase-only ADM3 and it has to be
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WYSIWYG with support for different typefaces and sizes?
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What color is the sky in _your_ world? ;)
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|several BELLHOPS in the
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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions
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From: jim@n5ial.mythical.com (Jim Graham)
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Subject: Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux?
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Date: Mon, 10 Oct 1994 22:56:58 GMT
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NOTE: I don't intend for this post to be saying that TeX is the Linux
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version of a word processor. Any TeX user knows that to compare TeX to a
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word processor is to compare apples and oranges. TeX is a typesetting
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system, and is designed (and used) with a completely different set of goals
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than those intended for word processors, desktop publishing systems, and so
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on.
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In article <1994Oct10.172638.620@tanuki.twics.com> craig@tanuki.twics.com
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writes:
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>This is an ongoing debate. If a text editor + LaTeX is a
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>viable alternative to a standard word processor like MS Word in
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>an office environment, then there needs to be some way to share
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>documents with other platforms.
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In the case of TeX (and LaTeX, if you insist...), there is no problem
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at all with sharing the document between platforms---the file is just
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a plain ASCII file. Nice and simple. And if we're talking about the
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DVI file, that's no problem either. Remember, DVI == DeVice Independent.
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>If software for Linux can't do this, then it
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>should be able to read it plain text and translate the
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>"lf" characters. In the case of a Mac, this is ^M.
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As mentioned above, the file *IS* plain text. And for the rest, I've
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obviously misunderstood your question. To me, it reads as if you're
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saying that there needs to be some way of converting between various
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line endings (LF on UNIX, CR/LF on dog, etc.), but this is a trivial
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task.
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Just in case I haven't missed something, here's a short script that
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converts dos files (CR/LF) to UNIX format (LF). You can read the sed(1)
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man page, or better yet, ``The UNIX Programming Environment'' to find
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out how to expand this.
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=========================== CUT HERE ===========================
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#!/bin/sh
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for i in $*
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do
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echo working on $i
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sed 's/^M$//' $i > /tmp/$$.tmp
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mv /tmp/$$.tmp $i
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done
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=========================== CUT HERE ===========================
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Of course, the ``^M'' (two characters) is supposed to be a '^M'. You'll
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need to replace it with a ^M (^V^M in vi, don't know if the '^V' is
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needed in emacs or not).
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>I think it can be acceptable to translate a formatted document on
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>one platform to plain text to be formatted on another platform.
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Again, with TeX, there is no need to transfer a formatted document. Just
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transfer the source code, and let the other person work with it if they
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want to. Otherwise, if you don't want them to work with it, you might
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just want to transfer a DVI file, and let them print it, display it, etc.,
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with whatever output driver is appropriate for their hardware.
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>However, thus far, I have been unable to get a Linux text editor like
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>emacs to do a search and replace of the ^M lf character.
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I'm not familiar with how emacs implements regular expressions, but in
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vi, it would simply be :%s/^M$//g (again, that's ^V^M to get a ^M
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character). You can probably use the exact same regular expression in
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emacs---I assume it implements regular expressions, as that's pretty
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standard in UNIX. RTF-emacs-M for details on using regular expression
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searches or search/replace---I don't use emacs, so I don't know how it's
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done, but I can't imagine it not being supported.
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Even if you can't get emacs to do it, that doesn't stop you. Remember,
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there are a *LOT* of other ways of doing something like this in UNIX.
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The sed script shown above is just one way...you could write a short
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filter program in C. You could also grab the source to the ``pep''
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program that was posted to one of the *.sources groups (no idea which
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one) at some point in the past (don't remember when, but it at least
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as far back as 1990, and I think I had it before then). Or you could....
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And the list goes on. Don't assume that the editor has to do
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everything---UNIX doesn't work that way.
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Later,
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--jim
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73 DE N5IAL (/4) < Running Linux 1.0.9 >
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jim@n5ial.mythical.com ICBM: 30.23N 86.32W
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|| j.graham@ieee.org Packet: --OFFLINE-- (Ft. Walton Beach, FL)
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E-mail me for information about KAMterm (host mode for Kantronics TNCs).
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From: smcarey@rodan.syr.edu (Shawn M Carey)
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Subject: Re: Commercial X servers: here's one
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Date: 13 Oct 1994 05:12:18 GMT
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In article <CxIunp.J3M@ix.de> hm@ix.de writes:
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>In comp.os.linux.misc, Shawn M Carey (smcarey@gamera.syr.edu) wrote:
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>
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>> I can confirm this to a degree. I was a beta tester of this server
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>> (for FreeBSD), and it's undoubtedly faster than the XFree S3 server:
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> ^^^^^^^
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>Oh, how come? The latest prodinfo.txt (as of Sep 09) on their FTP server says,
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>
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>OS Non-Support: QNX
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> Coherent
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> FreeBSD 1.x, NetBSD.
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> Minix
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> MS-DOS
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> MS-Windows
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> OS/2
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>
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>(of which I clearly understand the last three ;^). Anyway, FreeBSD seems
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>not to be supported...
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>
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This information is clearly out of date. The prodinfo.txt that I have
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(sept 17, from the beta release) doesn't have FreeBSD in this list:
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OS Non-Support: QNX, Coherent, NetBSD, Minix, MS-DOS, MS-Windows,
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OS/2, Windows/NT.
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-Shawn Carey
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