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From: Digestifier <Linux-Misc-Request@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu>
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To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Reply-To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Date: Thu, 13 Oct 94 11:13:53 EDT
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Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #929
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Linux-Misc Digest #929, Volume #2 Thu, 13 Oct 94 11:13:53 EDT
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Contents:
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Linux & Netware. (Peter Berger)
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Re: WARNING: Xfree-3.1 XF86_Mach32 may damage non-green monitors! (Andreas Koppenhoefer)
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Re: Fintronic ---> VERY impressive!!! (Larry Doolittle)
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Re: ISA video board : advice wanted. (Larry Doolittle)
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Re: SW Technologies (Jonathan I. Kamens)
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Re: Good IDE card (David Barth)
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Re: One answer and I'm happy ! (Erik Corry)
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Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux? (Richard L. Goerwitz)
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Is Buslogic 545s (ISA) supported? (Leung Danny Pui Fun)
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Problem with TERM (Kevin C. Dorff)
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Re: Mystery Chip...AMD (Alexandra Griffin)
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Re: /lib/ld.so: cache ... is corrupt. Help. (Mitchum DSouza)
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Re: Mystery Chip...AMD (Jason Saunders)
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Z Modem weird problems
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Re: Mystery Chip...AMD (Jeff Kesselman)
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Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux? (Richard L. Goerwitz)
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Re: Idle daemon (Martin Eggen)
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Date: Sun, 09 Oct 1994 22:29:00 +0100
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From: pit@p2.lxs.baboon.ch (Peter Berger)
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Subject: Linux & Netware.
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dbelliz@gomez.sc.intel.com (David W Bellizzi) wrote:
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Just to clear things up:
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> I was reading in the NET2 HOWTO that someone has a
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> package out for connecting DOS workstations to Linux
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> /Unix workstation/servers. It was call something
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> like Sams Own Server System (SOSS). I however use
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SOSS ist a nfs-server(!) running under DOS.
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(NFS-)Clients are NFS025*.* or XFS*.*
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bye,
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Peter
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,de.comp.os.linux
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From: koppenas@tick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (Andreas Koppenhoefer)
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Subject: Re: WARNING: Xfree-3.1 XF86_Mach32 may damage non-green monitors!
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Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 11:39:37 GMT
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Hello out there,
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now I'm able to *CANCEL* my warning about possible damage of non-green
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monitors. Thanks to Craig Groeschel for clarification:
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In article <37c0ur$jd@tartan.metrolink.com>,
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craig@metrolink.com (Craig Groeschel) wrote:
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In article <KOPPENAS.94Oct10115012@tick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de>,
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Andreas Koppenhoefer <koppenas@tick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> wrote:
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>While running 'startx -- /usr/X11R6/bin/XF86_Mach32 :0 -bpp 16' and
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>about 10 minutes of inactivity the screensaver blanked out my
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>screen. And surprisingly my monitor went into powersaving mode.
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>That's exactly what I want to get.
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>
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>While running 'startx -- /usr/X11R6/bin/XF86_Mach32 :0 -bpp16' (which
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>is a 8-bit server -bpp 8) my monitor doesn't switch to powersaving
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>mode while screensaver is active!? Why not?
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Because colors are handled differently at 8 and 16 bpp.
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8-bit mode uses a color lookup table. The screen saver writes
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five bytes out to the card, and boom, the lookup table
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returns "black" for every color. Screen goes dark.
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Very simple very easy.
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16-bit mode does not use any such lookup table, so to save
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the screen, I just disabled the CRT controller. Yes, I know,
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quick and dirty hack. Anyone please feel free to UTSL.
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>And here's the problem: What if my monitor wouldn't like powersaving
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>signals?
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You'll have to pardon me for deleting the FUD in your message.
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There are no special powersaving signals in this case. When the
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CRT controller is disabled, no signals go out to the monitor.
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It's like having your monitor turned on but your computer turned off.
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- Andreas
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--
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Andreas Koppenhoefer, Student der Universitaet Stuttgart, BR Deutschland
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prefered languages: German, English, C, perl ("Just another Perl hacker,")
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SMTP: koppenh@trick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de
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privat: Belaustr. 5/3, D-70195 Stuttgart, Germany,
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Earth, Sector ZZ9 plural Z alpha
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phone: +49 711 696378 and +49 711 694111 (19-22h MEZ=GMT+1)
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From: doolitt@recycle.cebaf.gov (Larry Doolittle)
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Subject: Re: Fintronic ---> VERY impressive!!!
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Reply-To: doolittle@cebaf.gov
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Date: Thu, 13 Oct 1994 12:53:44 GMT
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Marc Fraioli (mjf@clark.net) wrote:
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: In article gv5@dusk.fishkill.ibm.com, bubbly@dusk.fishkill.ibm.com (Steve Champagne) writes:
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: >Based on recent experience, I'd highly recommend Fintronic as a provider of
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: >systems pre-configured with Linux. I purchased the following:
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: >
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: > - Intel 486DX2-66MHz VLB basic system
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: > - Buslogic KT-445S VLB SCSI Controller w/ ASPI DOS drivers
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: > - 1.0GB, Quantum Empire 1080S, 9ms, 512K cache, 3.5x1"
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: > - Conner Viper 2525S 525MB 1/4" SCSI tape
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: > - Viewsonic 17, 17", 1280x1024
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: > - #9 GXE Level 11 VLB 2MB, S3-928
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: > - DOS 6.2/Windows 3.1 installed with dual boot (via LILO)
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: >
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: >For slightly less than $4100 (including shipping).
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: Wow, for that money you're in low-end RISC territory. You can get entry
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: level RISC boxes from Sun, HP, or IBM for less than that, all with 16MB
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: RAM and at least 16" color monitors. True, they have smaller disks (Sun
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: gives you a 535, IBM a 260, not sure about HP) and no tape, but you
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: get a _much_ faster CPU. Of course, they don't include source to their
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: OSes either...
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They also (usually) don't give you a video subsystem that can match
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the #9GXE series, or expandable busses. OTOH, they do include ethernet.
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I just saw a flyer for a DEC Alpha. Its price looked OK, until you
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saw just how under-configured the system was. 1024x768 video?
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Gimme a break. One more thing -- how much do they force you to
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spend on software "upgrades"?
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If you want to install Linux yourself, you should be able to
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trade up to a Pentium/PCI/Vision864 system for about the same
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money as the system listed above.
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- Larry Doolittle doolittle@cebaf.gov
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.misc
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From: doolitt@recycle.cebaf.gov (Larry Doolittle)
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Subject: Re: ISA video board : advice wanted.
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Reply-To: doolittle@cebaf.gov
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Date: Thu, 13 Oct 1994 13:01:27 GMT
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You want an S3-801 based card, like an Actix GraphicsEngine32
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or STB PowerGraph X-24. I think Orchid Fahrenheit 1280 comes
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in an ISA version, too. You should be able to find one of
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these for US$100 to US$130.
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All these boards are quite happy doing 1024x768ni at 256 colors,
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with 1M DRAM. Spending extra bucks on the 2M versions (if available)
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probably isn't worth it because of bandwidth limitations.
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Under DOS, with unaccelerated drivers, the ISA bus really hurts.
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Under XFree86 or MS-Windows, it's no big deal; all the drawing
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operations are done with registers anyway, and you are limited
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by the 32-bit path from S3-801 to video memory. STB claims
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a 10 to 30% speed penalty compared to the VLB twin.
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Cafe des etudiants du diro (cafiro@JSP.UMontreal.CA) wrote:
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: I'm currently looking for an ISA video board that will work well
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: in OS/2 and Linux. I want to run 1024x768 at 256 colors, perhaps
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: more if possible. But I'm more interested in speed than color. Also,
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: I want a card that have OS/2 and Linux drivers that takes
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: advantage of accelerated features (what's the use of an accelerated
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: board without accelerated drivers :-). Finally, I know ISA bus
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: can be a bottleneck for video, so I don't want to spend money
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: on a board that's too fast for ISA, that is, if board X is
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: faster 'in thery' that board Y, and more expensive, but ISA limits
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: them both to similar performances, I prefer to buy board Y and
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: save some pennies.
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: So any advice for such a card ? S3 seems to be a good choice,
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: but I don't know much models using S3 chipset, except for #9
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: (seems rather expensive) and Diamond (a no-no, espcially for
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: Linux, but that seems to change). What about ATI Mach32 and
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: Mach64. Is there any ISA Mach64 cards out there ? If so, are
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: they worthwhile on ISA bus ? What about ET400W32p (Hercules
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: Dynamite ?).
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: Any help greatly appreciated. Thanks !
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From: jik@cam.ov.com (Jonathan I. Kamens)
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Subject: Re: SW Technologies
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Date: 13 Oct 1994 13:15:14 GMT
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In article <37i2jf$5hb@maui.cs.ucla.edu>, edwin@maui.cs.ucla.edu (E. Robert Tisdale) writes:
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|> In article <37hcgb$cft@pad-thai.cam.ov.com>
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|> jik@cam.ov.com (Jonathan I. Kamens) writes:
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|>
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|> >"The question I am left with here is DOES Bob feel Mr. Wu acted improperly in
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|> >bouncing this refund check, and not as a repsonsible vendor? Comments , Bob?"
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|>
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|> I never did and do not now have any comment on this subject.
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Why not? You're all gung ho about defending SWT and publicly accusing me of
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being dishonest in my dealings with SWT, and yet you are unwilling to address
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the issue of whether or it was dishonest of SWT to write a rubber refund check
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and then refuse to pay me the charge my bank charged me for depositing a
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rubber check?
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Why do you feel that you have the right to make accusations against me, based
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on only speculation and supposition, but you aren't willing to discuss
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something that SWT did that was obviously wrong and that they have not
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disputed doing?
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Oh, and by the way, why have you still not answered this, which I wrote to you
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in a posting on October 7: "Bob, are you speaking from the point of view of a
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satisfied customer of SWT or something more? Are you and Wu acquaintenaces,
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perhaps, or even friends? You did tell me in E-mail that you are `on
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reasonably good terms with Marvin Wu.' What exactly does that mean?"
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|> Have you never bounced a check?
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Yes, I have. In college, about seven years ago, once or twice, because I
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forgot to transfer money from savings into checking. I immediately apologized
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to the payees, paid the fees that were charged to them, paid the fees that
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were charged to me, and transferred money into the account to cover the checks.
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Furthermore, my bank was *thought* I've bounced checks a number of times since
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then (because of errors on their part, not on mine), but rather than refusing
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to cash them, they've cashed them and charged me a bounce fee, because they
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know I'm good for the money.
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Now, let's analyze the differences here:
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1) I'm a person, and I bounced personal checks. SWT is a company, and it
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bounced company checks.
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2) I apologized immediately when I bounced checks, before being contacted by
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the payee, and paid their fees. SWT didn't try to contact me about the
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bounce, despite the fact that they should have known about it before I did,
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and didn't offer to pay the bounce fee I was charged (and, in fact, has
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ignored my repeated E-mail asking for them to pay the fee).
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3) My bank pays checks that they think I've bounced, even when they're large,
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because they know I'm good for the money (I do, after all, have a savings
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account with them with enough money in it to cover the checks, and I've never
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written a check I didn't have enough money to cover from my combined
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accounts), and because they can charge me the $20 bouncing fee even if they
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pay the check. SWT's bank refused to pay their rubber check (implying,
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perhaps, that the bank doesn't have faith in their ability to cover it?).
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4) The checks I bounced were seven years ago. The checks (plural, because as
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I've mentioned, over people have told me they've had the same experience with
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SWT) SWT has bounced are very recent.
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I might still be angry at SWT about wasting my time and making me pay
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shipping, but if they had apologized for bouncing the check and offered to pay
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the $4 charge my bank charged me, my opinion of them would be many notches
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higher than it is now.
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|> You needn't answer. I don't think anyone actually cares whether your
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|> self-righteous indignation justified or hypocritical.
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Gee, you must get tired from lifting yourself up onto that high pedestal all
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the time.
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--
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Jonathan Kamens | OpenVision Technologies, Inc. | jik@cam.ov.com
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From: dbarth@carl.fdn.fr (David Barth)
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Subject: Re: Good IDE card
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Date: 11 Oct 1994 14:43:52 +0100
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Wayne Adams (wadams@pcnet.com) wrote:
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: I'm looking for a new VLB ide card that will handle: 2 hard drives,
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[...]
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VLB won't help a lot under linux, as the driver only supports good'ol WD mode.
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Instead of paying for on board cache memory you'd better put RAM directly on
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your system : Linux will manage it more efficiently.
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I have upgraded my box to 16M and now it really flies under X (it's only a
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poor DX33). RAM makes the difference under Linux.
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About a board with scsi, sorry, but never heard of such one. The bios should
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help if you're planning to boot with a scsi hd (that is what I understood -) )
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: TIA,
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: Wayne
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Hope this helps
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--
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D.Barth (dbarth@carl.fdn.fr) "Linux, the choice of a GNU generation"
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From: erik@kroete2.freinet.de (Erik Corry)
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Subject: Re: One answer and I'm happy !
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Date: Thu, 13 Oct 1994 02:09:37 GMT
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Markus Gruenkorn (MAGIC) (rg1734@edfd) wrote:
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: Hi guys !
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: We have a very heterogeneous network with the Operating Systems :
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: Solaris, Sun-Os, Os2, DOS/WINDOWS, MAC-OS, CLIX,OS 400, IRIX, AIX, HP-UX,
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: sco-xenix, linux, ...
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: Linux can easy be used as a print server for most of the OS's .
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: Most of the unix/os2 systems print to the linux-box using lpr (berkley printing
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: system), and the dos/windows systems print files whith pcnfs own printing mechanism .
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: It would be very nice if I can find an implementation of the system-V print spooling
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: for linux, because there are some unix systems which only have a system-V style print spooling implemented!
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: Any information is appreciated !
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: Thanks in advance !
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: PS: It 's the third time I'm posting my problem , I never got an answer !
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If you don't find anything else, perhaps you can use the AIX machine as
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a sort of translator. I think AIX understands both systems. It's not
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a nice solution, but...
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--
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--
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Erik Corry, Skagerrakstr. 2, 79100 Freiburg, Germany, +49 761 406637
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erik@kroete2.freinet.de
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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions
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From: goer@quads.uchicago.edu (Richard L. Goerwitz)
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Subject: Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux?
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Reply-To: goer@midway.uchicago.edu
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Date: Sun, 9 Oct 1994 21:18:11 GMT
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In article <378dhb$r6p@kubds1.kub.nl> paai@kub.nl (J.J. Paijmans) writes:
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>
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>Funny. I travelled the road in the opposite direction. OK If and when
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>I have to do something that involves greek or hebrew (once a year), I
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>revert to Windows.
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How about calling it "regression"? Too bad it's still necessary. There
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is evidence, though, that the WWW community will soon address the multiple-
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language "problem" by extending HTML+ appropriately. I can't wait for the
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day when I can just make papers that quote several languages available in
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electronic form, and can relegate hardcopy to onside as-needed production!
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--
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-Richard L. Goerwitz goer%midway@uchicago.bitnet
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goer@midway.uchicago.edu rutgers!oddjob!ellis!goer
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From: puifunle@hkuxb.hku.hk (Leung Danny Pui Fun)
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Subject: Is Buslogic 545s (ISA) supported?
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Reply-To: puifunle@hkuxa.hku.hk
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Date: Thu, 13 Oct 1994 06:02:48 GMT
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Hello guys,
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I'm going to get a bigger disk for Linux and wondering if Buslogic
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545s (ISA version) is supported. I only know the VLB version is supported.
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Thanks in advanced.
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Danny
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From: mental@hydra.unm.edu (Kevin C. Dorff)
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Subject: Problem with TERM
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Date: 11 Oct 1994 17:27:06 GMT
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I downloaded TERM 2.14 (I believe, the lastest one on sunsite) and
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compiled it on an ultrix machine here and on my 1.0.9 Linux at home.
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I used Seyon to connect, ran linecheck, updated ~/.term/termrc
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with correct escape and ignore values on each side,
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and start term (with the suggested command line options from Term.HOWTO),
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quit seyon without hanging up, and started term locally (again with
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suggested command line params including "-r") and tried "trsh"
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and after pressing returns a few times I get the prompt, I can do
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a little and then it just stops transmitting for no obvious reason.
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I can see the send/receive lights flashing on the modem, so the
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two sides are talking to each other, BUT it is dead. At this point,
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if I open another window and try trsh again, it doesn't connect
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to the other term at all and I can just press "^C" to quit the new
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trsh, but the original trsh is locked. When I close everything down
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(sometimes echo '00000' > /dev/modem works) and look in the log
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file on linux I see an error message about "gethostbyname...".
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On the ultrix side I see nothing or '00000'.
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Is it possible that linecheck missed something? (I have not had
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better luck so far with expanding the escapes, but when I tried
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them covering a lot more I had no luck with term, now at least
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it starts to work).
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I have not had term work correctly for more than 1-2 minutes.
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During that 1-2 minutes, the 2nd time, I tried to use "txconn"
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but I couldn't get it to give me a good display name. Hmm!!
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Do I need to get a newer version of linux? Do I need an older version
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of term? I don't get it!!
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K
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--
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Kevin C. Dorff 5800 Osuna NE #93
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mental@hydra.unm.edu Albuquerque, NM 87109
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-=> Let's Go Paragliding! <=- 505-889-3254
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From: acg@kzin.cen.ufl.edu (Alexandra Griffin)
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Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.systems
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Subject: Re: Mystery Chip...AMD
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Date: 13 Oct 1994 12:35:51 GMT
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In article <37iuhc$lkk@holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk>,
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Jason Saunders <maupb@csv.warwick.ac.uk> wrote:
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>
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>I wonder if anyone has tried running the new DX2-80 at 90 or 100MHz? Now that
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>would be something to reckon with! A DX2-100 would in fact be faster than a
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>DX4-100.
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But the DX/4-100 *can* be run as a dx/2-- one of its pins (previously
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a no-connect on other 486's) will select whether the external clock is
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multipled by 2 or 3, depending on whether it's tied high or low. So,
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invert the usual state of this pin, up the bus clock to 50MHz, and you
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should get a substantial performance gain (assuming the rest of the
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motherboard, in particular the cache SRAMs, can keep up). This
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selector pin is in the specs, but I've never heard of anyone using it.
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It should also be possible to overclock a DX/4 a little bit without
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bad thermal problems, since it's a 3.3V chip...
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-- alex
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From: Mitchum.DSouza@mrc-apu.cam.ac.uk (Mitchum DSouza)
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Subject: Re: /lib/ld.so: cache ... is corrupt. Help.
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Date: 13 Oct 1994 09:24:15 GMT
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In article <1994Oct10.222751.1260@juncol.juniata.edu>, kline@juncol.juniata.edu
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writes:
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|> I'm currently in a fix. I shutdown my system while doing a tar to tape.
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|> The
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|> system shutdown properly but now when I reboot I get:
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|>
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|> /lib/ld.so: cache "/etc/ld.co.cache' is corrupt.
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|>
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|> This message appears when I do anything... changing directories, signing on
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|> or
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|> off, etc.
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|>
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|> When I shutdown, i get:
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|>
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|> ... /etc/mtab.temp : no room on device.
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|>
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|> I've tried booting from diskette and deleting those files (actually renaming
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|> them just in case) after which they're rebuilt with exactly the same error.
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|> Can anyone give me a hint as to what to try next? Is there a manpage that
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|> describes this problem?
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Just rerun "ldconfig" or "rm /etc/ld.so.cache"
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Mitch
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From: maupb@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Jason Saunders)
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Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.systems
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Subject: Re: Mystery Chip...AMD
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Date: 13 Oct 1994 10:27:08 +0100
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In article <37h24oINN15j@life.ai.mit.edu>,
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jolt@gnu.ai.mit.edu (John Palaima) writes:
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+Hah. Apparently you didn't hear that the Am486 DX/2 66 could be safely
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+over-clocked to run at 80Mhz. All the DX2-80 is is a relabeled DX2-66.
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+That's why it's not much more expensive. It's the same chip. Anyone wanna
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+take bets that new 66Mhz chips will be "crippled" so they can't be over-
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+clocked? :)
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Saying that you could call an intel DX50 a relabeled DX33! The only difference
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is that they ran a batch at a higher clock rate and they didn't fry. That's
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why the DX50 is so much more expensive - they have to throw out a lot more of
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them.
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I wonder if anyone has tried running the new DX2-80 at 90 or 100MHz? Now that
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would be something to reckon with! A DX2-100 would in fact be faster than a
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DX4-100.
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Jason
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--
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Jason L Saunders
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Argo Business Consultants
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22 Samuel Hayward House, Roseberry Avenue, Coventry, UK, CV2 1QR
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Tel: (0203) 666454
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From: mvalente@draco.lnec.pt ()
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Subject: Z Modem weird problems
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Date: 11 Oct 1994 17:31:41 GMT
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A couple of days ago I posted about not being able to use
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sz to download files from a Linux system to a DOS system.
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Both are using 14.4k modems with 19200 as DTE speed. Both
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are using RTC/CTS hardware flow control.
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I discovered yesterday that if the connection is made at
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a slower speed sz works. As long as throughput is below
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1500 cps all is OK. When above this the DOS machine receives
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the first 19k and then starts to choke, giving timeouts and
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CRC errors, etc
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Anyone know why this is ? Any possible solutions ? Is there
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some other source for a Z Modem transfer program ( or indeed
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any other program that allows me to download files from
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Linux to DOS using serial modem connection ) ?
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Thanks in advance.
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C U!
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Mario Valente
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--
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Et in Arcadia Ego
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Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.systems,comp.os.linux.admin
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From: jeffpk@netcom.com (Jeff Kesselman)
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Subject: Re: Mystery Chip...AMD
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Date: Sun, 9 Oct 1994 19:20:12 GMT
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In article <3740ss$4kj@venera.isi.edu>, Daniel Zappala <daniel@isi.edu> wrote:
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>
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>In article <372tuk$1el@huron.eel.ufl.edu>, acg@kzin.cen.ufl.edu (Alexandra Griffin) writes:
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>> In article <371kim$emf@venera.isi.edu>, Daniel Zappala <daniel@isi.edu> wrote:
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>> >
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>> >In article <370rc5$o7q@crl.crl.com>, rigor@crl.com (Sam Brown) writes:
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>> >
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>> >I have an AMD 486DX-40. Any news on an add-in from AMD to turn this into a
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>> >486DX2-80, or do I need to buy a whole new chip?
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>>
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>> Nope, sorry... the dx/2 chips are different inside (have a PLL circuit
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>> to double their on-chip clock, and extra interface logic to hook up to
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>> the half-speed external bus), and of course you can't very well modify
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>> a silicon die after it's been made!
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>>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>But doesn't Intel sell a chip that upgrades a 486DX-33 into a 486DX2-66?
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>How do they manage that?
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>
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>
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>Daniel
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Answer: they don't. What they sell is a REPLACEMENT processor, the DX2/66.
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You pull your old chip out and plug the DX2-66 in instead. Since its
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EXTERNAL speed is still 33mhz, it looks to the rest of your machine like
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your old chip, but INTERNALLY it process instructions twice as fast.
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JK
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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions
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From: goer@quads.uchicago.edu (Richard L. Goerwitz)
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|
Subject: Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux?
|
|
Reply-To: goer@midway.uchicago.edu
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Date: Sun, 9 Oct 1994 21:32:11 GMT
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byron@gemini.cc.gatech.edu (Byron A Jeff) writes:
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>
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>You and I are in agreement on this, Richard. Linux is in desparate need
|
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>of it's own wordprocessor, not a typesetter.
|
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>
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>The problem is what's be best/fastest way to accomlish this. Some observations
|
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>
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>1) Must be native. Until we reach a point where emulation is standard and
|
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> stable in Linux distributions we need a unpack and go package.
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>
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>2) Simple. Unfortunately that means that Richard's pet peeve - multiligualness
|
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> must be put on the back burner.
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This is quite right. It *is* a pet peeve of mine. Hmmm. I guess my
|
|
only worry is that if someone designs a system with no thought of multi-
|
|
linguality, this will be hard to graft on later. Bidirectional wordwrap,
|
|
though not exceedingly complex, is hard to work in after the fact. Input
|
|
methods for Japanese characters, contextual Arabic forms, and so on also
|
|
need to be at least given a nod early on.
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|
|
|
These things don't all need to be implemented. Just taken into the over-
|
|
all scope of the project so that, for example, someone who's interested
|
|
(or funded) could see to it that such capabilities were added.
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|
|
|
Does this make sense?
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|
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>Linux needs it's own Wordprocessor. Something simple, elegant, and moderately
|
|
>powerful. And we need it yesterday.
|
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>
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>The question is how to accomplish this?
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|
|
Word processing is a very specialized type of programming, involving all
|
|
sorts of knowledge that most programmers don't have - in particular how
|
|
writers in many different fields do their work. Typography is also quite
|
|
specialized, as are various low-level details such as printer interfaces
|
|
and drivers, and GUIs. Then there is the problem of coding schemes, such
|
|
as Unicode. I doubt many technical people have much training in the kinds
|
|
of considerations that go into the design philosophy of Unicode, or of
|
|
SGML, for that matter (which should also come into the picture, like it
|
|
or not).
|
|
|
|
It's no wonder to me that it's been difficult to find anyone to fill this
|
|
void. There are a lot of us out here who could fill one or another part
|
|
of the void. We need the technical equivalent of a "Refridgerator" Perry
|
|
to fill this one, though.
|
|
|
|
--
|
|
|
|
-Richard L. Goerwitz goer%midway@uchicago.bitnet
|
|
goer@midway.uchicago.edu rutgers!oddjob!ellis!goer
|
|
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|
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|
|
From: martine@powertech.no (Martin Eggen)
|
|
Subject: Re: Idle daemon
|
|
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 00:11:11 GMT
|
|
|
|
In article <37bg6b$m42@wumpus.cc.uow.edu.au>,
|
|
mai@wumpus.cc.uow.edu.au (Van Dao Mai) wrote:
|
|
> Idle daemon for linux? Can anyone give me the name of it please
|
|
|
|
What's an idle daemon? :-)
|
|
Does that have something to do with idle-time?? :)
|
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|
|
Martin :)
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