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From: Digestifier <Linux-Misc-Request@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu>
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To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Reply-To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Date: Fri, 14 Oct 94 21:13:31 EDT
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Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #940
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Linux-Misc Digest #940, Volume #2 Fri, 14 Oct 94 21:13:31 EDT
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Contents:
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Re: What is Linux good for? (Daniel Woodard)
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Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux? (READ THIS!) (Byron A Jeff)
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Comments about the Linux WP idea (davis@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu)
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Re: Nailed down to 386bsd or linux, now which one? (Lennart Augustsson)
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Re: What is Linux good for? (Steven Buytaert)
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Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux? (Thomas Petersen)
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Re: Yggdrasil Fall 1994: buyers be aware (Roger Bicknell)
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Re: What is Linux good for? (Dan Newcombe)
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Re: [INFO WANTED] C/SLIP vs. PPP (Harmon Seaver)
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Re: transparent ftp filesystem? (Harald Milz)
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Re: Linux & Windows... (DAVID L. JOHNSON)
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Re: ez (was Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux?) (Byron A Jeff)
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Re: Does all SCO software run on Linux (Scott Weinstein)
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Re: Lilo booting last booted OS. (Rasquin Jean-Pierre)
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From: SA073@getty.onu.edu (Daniel Woodard)
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Subject: Re: What is Linux good for?
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Date: Fri, 14 Oct 1994 15:50:43 GMT
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>FAQ??? They even don't check the name of the group on which they are
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That's an outright lie. I looked for a faq. Not finding one, I posted
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this message.
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From: byron@gemini.cc.gatech.edu (Byron A Jeff)
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Subject: Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux? (READ THIS!)
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Date: 14 Oct 1994 15:51:57 GMT
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In article <37lv3s$ho0@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk>,
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Gareth Webber <gpw1000@cus.cam.ac.uk> wrote:
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>I am sorry but what is wrong with using the iBCS module and running SCO
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>wordperfect. In fact iBCS currently allows linux to run binaries from
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>lots of other intel unices with work on *BSD being made as we speak.
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Because of the audience. Typical conversation.
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(NU: Newbie User, LE: Linux Enthusiast)
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Senario after a brand new Linux installation on NU machine.
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LE: See. With Linux you can have multiple users, multiple tasks, all at the
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same time.
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NU: Ok where is the Wordprocessor?
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LE: Well all I have to do is get the IBSC2 package and install it. It's on
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tsx-11.mit.edu. Oh Oh we don't have a net connection from here.
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NU: So you mean it doesn't have a wordprocessor?
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LE: No it just has to be installed. WordPerfect runs fine.
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NU: Well there's a copy of Windows 6.0 Wordperfect on the DOS disk. Run that.
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LE: Well I can't because Linux doesn't run windows applications.
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NU: What about DOS then?
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LE: Sure. The DOS emulator runs all DOS applications. But I'll have to install
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the emulator. Hmm. That's on sunsite. I can get a floppy with it tomorrow.
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NU: So your telling me that Linux has no Wordprocessor unless you add something
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else that you don't have with you. It's too complicated. Take it off my
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machine.
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Note that this is a paraphrased conversation I've had with a couple of
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new users.
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Point being that Linux does need a native wordprocessor that doesn't depend
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on emulation.
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>
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>Linux doesn't need a WP of its own when it can be used as a base to run
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>apps from all the other major opearing systems (unices, windows under wine
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>ans dos under dosemu).
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Yes it does. Linux needs to have its own native apps just like all the other
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systems have their own native apps. It'll run faster, requires much less
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setup, and most improtantly it can be free so that it can be distributed with
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the disk.
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Now it doesn't have to be anything fancy. In fact I've taken a cursory look
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at HWP and it's about 1/2 to being perfectly usable.
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Most WP users don't use all the "kitchen sink" fancy features that most
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products tout. Usually it's just formatting (centering, indentation, bullets)
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and style (font type, size, and bold,italic,and underlined) along with a
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simple way to specify these things. I mean anyone who can use the function
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keys for WordPerfect should be thrilled with a simple Point and Click
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interface.
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How hard can it be to develop something like this? All the basic tools are
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already available:
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- Text editor with color highlighting (JED)
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- A mouse package that can be integrated into the editor (the selection
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replacement that sends events to applications in addition to performing
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all of selection's original functions)
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- Popup menu support (dialog)
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- Any number of formatters. I prefer QuikScript because it compresses
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the format/reder step into one step. However TeX or nroff could be used.
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- A renderer, GhostScript, that works with almost any graphics printer.
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- A previewer, GhostView/GhostScript, So that you can see what it looks like
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before you print. Note that Ghostscript can display on a normal Linux
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console.
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All this software already exist. All it really needs is a couple of
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enterprising people to pull it all together into a single package.
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As I have stated before I cannot by that person because I'm embroiled
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(actually it feels like being broiled) in my PhD research. I'll be happy
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to suggest a plan, coordinate efforts, and of course test. But as to
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actually doing it as much as I'd like to I can't right now.
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The above elements can be used to put together a functional product. The only
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thing that's missing is any hint of WYSIWYG. For a text version this would
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primarily consist of highlighting attributed text, showing some form of
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indentation/centering, and most importantly when the font size/style changes
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accurately showing the characters on each line and the lines on each page.
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Obviously for the X version a more sophitcated product is needed. But I point
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out the the EZ Wordprocessor performs many of the functions in a X environment.
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It's native and freely available. However it doesn't do diddly for a virtual
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console, telnet session, or a terminal session. That's why I'm suggesting that
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we focus in that direction.
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Comments?
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BAJ
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--
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Another random extraction from the mental bit stream of...
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Byron A. Jeff - PhD student operating in parallel - And Using Linux!
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Georgia Tech, Atlanta GA 30332 Internet: byron@cc.gatech.edu
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From: davis@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu
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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions
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Subject: Comments about the Linux WP idea
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Date: 14 Oct 1994 21:45:50 GMT
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Reply-To: davis@amy.tch.harvard.edu
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In article <37mion$kjm@solaria.cc.gatech.edu>, byron@gemini.cc.gatech.edu
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(Byron A Jeff) writes:
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: I think we can integrate existing editor (JED), menu(dialog), mouse(the
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: selection replacement of the Mouseless Commander), formatter (QuikScript),
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: and renderer (GhostScript) into a workable system that can meet the basic
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: wordprocessing demands of most folks.
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The fundamental question is how the buffer is going to be implemented---
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what will the data structure look like. Fundamentally, a word processor and
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an editor are very different. I suspect that the best choice for a data
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structure for the WP would consist of a linked list of paragraphs. Perhaps
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the paragraph should be implemented as a buffer gap. Also, how will the
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character attributes be stored? Should we store an attribute with each
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character? Should the data structure consist of a parallel stream of
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attributes? Questions like this are going to be fundamental to the
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development of the WP. I suspect that it is NOT a good idea to integrate an
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existing editor into the WP.
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The user interface should be fairly simple to implement. For example,
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consider my S-Lang library. It already has routines for multiple keymaps,
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keyboard tty input, Screen Managment Facility (with color), etc... In fact,
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much of JED is interfaced to this library. The rest of JED consists of
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routines to handle its representation of the buffer. Finally, I am also
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working on a Text based window library for S-Lang. One could incorporate
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this library into the WP to handle windows, Scroll bars, dialog boxes,
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etc... to make it look pretty.
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But, the fundamental question remains: What will the representation of the
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buffer look like?
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Finally, is this project worth doing? How well does DOSEMU run Wordperfect?
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Can it run Wordperfect over a serial line? If we ever do get a WP for Linux
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off the ground and functional, will it be better than Wordperfect running
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under DOSEMU over a serial line? (I am emphasising serial line because I
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would like to use something like it remotely from, e.g., a vt100)
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--
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_____________
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#___/John E. Davis\_________________________________________________________
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#
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# internet: davis@amy.tch.harvard.edu
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# bitnet: davis@ohstpy
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# office: 617-735-6746
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#
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From: augustss@cs.chalmers.se (Lennart Augustsson)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
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Subject: Re: Nailed down to 386bsd or linux, now which one?
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Date: 14 Oct 1994 16:02:30 GMT
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In article <37l61p$4qr@elaine.teleport.com> bmk@teleport.com (bmk) writes:
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> P.S. Linux is a fine product. I'm not slamming it; I just happen to
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> have an irrational dislike of all that is System V. :)
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Irrational? What's irrational about disliking System V. :-)
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From: buytaert@imec.be (Steven Buytaert)
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Subject: Re: What is Linux good for?
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Date: Wed, 12 Oct 1994 07:40:33 GMT
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Daniel Woodard (SA073@getty.onu.edu) wrote:
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: I found this group today. How well does it do multitasking? Does it run
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: under Windows or DOS?
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Maybe you could try to read *** READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *** tomorrow ?
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--
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Steven Buytaert
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WORK buytaert@imec.be
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HOME buytaert@innet.be
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'Imagination is more important than knowledge.'
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(A. Einstein)
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From: petersen@fys-hp-1.risoe.dk (Thomas Petersen)
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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions
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Subject: Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux?
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Date: 14 Oct 1994 16:03:51 GMT
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Miguel Alvarez Blanco (miguel@carbono.quimica.uniovi.es) wrote:
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> I won't claim that LaTeX is a good multilingual processor, but my master
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> thesis was written on it, in spanish, without troubles. Sure, Hebrew, Kanji
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> and lots of other languages are not there, but at least it's a step forward.
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Eh? The LaTeX package I dowloaded included support for several African
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languages, Gothic (a medieval rune system), Both of the Futharks,
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several versions of Tolkien's alphabets, Hebrew, Georgian, a couple
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of languages somebody probably just made up and God knows what else.
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I challenge you to name an alphabet that doesn't have at least some
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support.
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> BTW, I use vi as the editor for my LaTeX documents, so I'm probably brain
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> dead myself :-)
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vi, sed and awk: This is what text processing tools are supposed to
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be like! :-)
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Thomas
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From: bicknell@mdd.comm.mot.com (Roger Bicknell)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
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Subject: Re: Yggdrasil Fall 1994: buyers be aware
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Date: 14 Oct 1994 12:49:10 -0700
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In <crawford-121094134337@stonehenge.think.com> crawford@think.com (Lee Crawford) writes:
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>In article <YXIAO.94Oct7163816@umabnet.ab.umd.edu>,
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:yxiao@umabnet.ab.umd.edu (Yan Xiao) wrote:
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::
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:: We purchased Yggdrasil Fall 1994 Plug-and-Play recently,
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:: and here are some of the problems we`ve encountered so far:
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:: [much deleted]
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::
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:: The current yggdrasil CD is our second buy, and I can
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:: see the decline in quality. I sincerely hope that folks
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:: at yggdrasil keep up the spirit of Plug-'n-Play, while
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:: at the same time improve quality.
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::
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:I don't think it IS classified as experimental, do you have this from
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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:Yygdrasil, or is this your assumption because you failed to get it to work?
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:If you have a memory manager in your config.sys, that could probobly
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:screw you up. Have you stripped your config.sys down to nothing but
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:your CD-ROM driver?
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I just purchased Yggdrasil Linux.
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(yeah... me and my sony cdu33a cdrom, and sc400 fx sound card)
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<sigh>
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Yeah, I agree, I don't think that it IS classified as "experimental."
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BTW I'm running a 486DX-33 isa, 8M ram, mach32 video, 540M ide WD,
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sc400 sound, sony cdu33a cdrom, connor 120 tape,
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14.4k supra 32bis (external), a: is a 3.5" floppy,
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and Yggdrasil Fall'94 Linux.
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:: Next, I tried to boot Linux by using the bootflpy.phl (I have
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::the LMSI CM205 CD). It recognized the CD and say "LMSI CD Ready" but then
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::the boottrap program complaints about SONY CD31a and 525 and "Unable to mount
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::VFS". I got the errata, but there seems no fixes for these problems yet.
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:If you have a sony 31a running off the sony driver, then you need the
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:revision B boot disk and system stuff. Have you gotten that yet?
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:(Its mentioned in the errata.)
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Yup. Been there. Done (all) that. Still, although this revB
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kernal will boot, I get a zillion complaints about read-only
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filesystem and the install aborted. <sigh>
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I've found no way to dosload it; it don't matter _what_ I do
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with my config.sys/autoexec.bat - I've tried all 5327
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combinations ;)
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And now I'm starting to understand what movie-writer John Cleese
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(of Monty Python fame) meant when he had the protagonist in
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"Clockwise" say, "it's not the constant failure that gets me
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[down] so, it's the *hope*. That's what really slays me!"
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[sorry about the terrible paraphrase]. I've found another
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machine which will boot this Linux "plug-and-play." Now I
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can try rebuilding the kernal... oh no! there goes my Hope again!
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(as if I really had a _clue_ as to what I'm doing!)
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I haven't found any way to get the logitech busmouse to work
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yet on this 486DX-66 16M ram, mitsumi cdrom, machine (which
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_will_ boot the "plug-and-play") so I've a mountain yet to
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overcome (pro noblem, I have me spoon all ready...)
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I'm starting to think that this Linux thing is really
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"Doom II" and is the ultimate nightmare [virtual] reality
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game - AND I'M TRAPPED INSIDE!!! (thanks, I feel better now).
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Do I have a question? Uh... ok... "why me?"
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No... wait! Here's a reeeeel question:
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I downloaded the revB vmlinux from ftp.yggdrasil.com and
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RAWRITE'ed it to a floppy. I took this home and booted
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from it. It did find my sony cdu33a cdrom. But the root
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drive will not give me permission to write ANYTHING to it,
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even as 'root' user - thus all fails.
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Can anyone help? IS there something that I can do to undo this
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'permission denied' business? HELP!!!!!
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-r. "I've got an inferiority complex, but it's not a very good one" bickles
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--
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bicknell@mdd.comm.mot.com (Roger Bicknell)
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Remember: "Guns don't kill people and GNU is Not Unix." =]
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From: newcombe@aa.csc.peachnet.edu (Dan Newcombe)
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Subject: Re: What is Linux good for?
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Date: Fri, 14 Oct 1994 17:00:34 UNDEFINED
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In article <SA073.522.2E9EA8D3@getty.onu.edu> SA073@getty.onu.edu (Daniel Woodard) writes:
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>>FAQ??? They even don't check the name of the group on which they are
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> That's an outright lie. I looked for a faq. Not finding one, I posted
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>this message.
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Where did you look?
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There is one. There is quite a bit if you count the HOW-TO's etc...
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--
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Dan Newcombe newcombe@aa.csc.peachnet.edu
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-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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"And the man in the mirror has sad eyes." -Marillion
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From: hseaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (Harmon Seaver)
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Subject: Re: [INFO WANTED] C/SLIP vs. PPP
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Date: 14 Oct 1994 17:40:06 -0600
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Reply-To: hseaver@nyx.cs.du.edu
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I'm doing a class project to try to convince various grade and high
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school officials that they would be much smarter to buy a 586 and 100
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dumb terminals and run Linux/Xwindows/Motif than buying 100 macs. Or even
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just running Linux in text mode, since mostly what school computers are
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used for is just word processing anyway, and have a few macs or whatever
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for the other stuff.
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So here's my question: How much RAM and how much swap space does a 586
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need (or a 486 even) to run 100 terminals, either in text mode or Xwin
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mode? And can I even run Xwin on dumb terminals? Also, does anyone know
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of any good cheap vga res terminals w/color? Last time I looked, a few
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years ago, the cheapest was about $800. Also, what would you use for
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ports for that many terminals?
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Thanx.
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Harmon Seaver
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hseaver@nyx.cs.du.edu
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<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
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<> "The Way of the Samurai is death." - Jocho Yamamoto 1710 Hagakure <>
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<> "Let no man's life stand in the way -- especially your own." <>
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<> Miyamoto Musashi 1584-1645 <>
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<> "The fundamental delusion of humanity is to suppose that I am here <>
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<> and you are out there." Yasutani Roshi <>
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<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
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From: hm@ix.de (Harald Milz)
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Subject: Re: transparent ftp filesystem?
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Reply-To: hm@ix.de
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Date: Fri, 14 Oct 1994 16:49:58 GMT
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In comp.os.linux.misc, Benjamin John Walter (ben@tsunami.demon.co.uk) wrote:
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> Is anyone currently working on a filesystem that would provide
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> transparent access to files over ftp? I've seen that GNU would like
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> to see such an fs in their Hurd system, and I'd be interested in
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> getting in touch with anyone working in this area on Linux.
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You can use the ange-ftp package for Emacs or even Mosaic ... Seriously,
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there is something like a ftp filesystem as a sample in the userfs package.
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--
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Disclaimer: "These opinions are my own, though for a small fee they be
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yours too."
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-- Dave Haynie
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--
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Harald Milz (hm@ix.de) WWW: http://www.ix.de/editors/hm.html
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iX Multiuser Multitasking Magazine phone +49 (511) 53 52-377
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Helstorfer Str. 7, D-30625 Hannover fax +49 (511) 53 52-378
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Opinions stated herein are my own, not necessarily my employer's.
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my employer's.
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From: dlj0@Lehigh.EDU (DAVID L. JOHNSON)
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Subject: Re: Linux & Windows...
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Date: 14 Oct 1994 16:45:16 GMT
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In article <37lk0s$kgj@kubds1.kub.nl>, paai@kub.nl (J.J. Paijmans) writes:
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>In article <1994Oct12.142601.23816@lulea.trab.se> anders@lulea.trab.se (Anders Eriksson) writes:
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>>Hi all,
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>>
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>>I've hurd a rumour about Linux beeing able to run windows on the console.
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>>I standard mode of course kind of like an ordinary dos graphic app.
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>>Is that true???
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>>
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>>Since I don't follow this newsgroup regulary, please mail your replies.
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>>
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>
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>And for everybody else: No.
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>
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>I don't want to hurt the people who work on the WINE-project, but the
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>persistent rumour "...that you can run MS-Windows under Linux..."
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>leads people to expectations that are not founded in reality. Such
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>disappointments may cause people to think that the rest of Linux too
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>is just hype.
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>
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>Therefore I would suggest that we, Linux partisans,keep a low profile
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>on WINE unless at least those MS-Windows applications that come with
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>the original distribution, work without problems.
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>
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>Paai.
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>
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Agreed, but that wasn't the question. I believe the question was whether
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dosemu could handle, perhaps, Windows 3.0 in real mode. I thought I read that
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the answer was yes. Whether that would be acceptable or not is another
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question.
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As far as Wine goes, there was a great deal of progress being made a few months
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back, more and more things were running, and those that were were running
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better all the time. That seems to have slowed down now, which is a shame.
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But, it is a difficult project. You probably know that WABI, which inspired
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wine, also is limited in the number of app's it can run (I believe I saw
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an ad suggesting some dozen or so programs that were certified to run).
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I also don't think the benchmark of success with wine should be write or
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solitaire, either, but the kinds of product that would enable more people to
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leave the Gates behind, like WP/windows, Quicken, Lotus. With the advent of
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iBCS, which allows us to use SCO, etc., binaries, and commercial linux
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programs like Maple, there is less of a push in that direction, and with
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MS acquiring Quicken, they will push ever harder to make their software
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unworkable on anything but their own system.
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--
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David L. Johnson dlj0@lehigh.edu or
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Department of Mathematics dlj0@chern.math.lehigh.edu
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Lehigh University
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14 E. Packer Avenue (610) 758-3759
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Bethlehem, PA 18015-3174 (610) 828-3708
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From: byron@gemini.cc.gatech.edu (Byron A Jeff)
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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions
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Subject: Re: ez (was Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux?)
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Date: 14 Oct 1994 17:00:29 GMT
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In article <1994Oct10.185245.15648@midway.uchicago.edu>,
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Richard L. Goerwitz <goer@midway.uchicago.edu> wrote:
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>davis@amy.tch.harvard.edu writes:
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>>It is X only. I think Linux needs something more general for non-X
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>>terminals. I spend 90% of my time using MS-Kermit connected via a dialup
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>>line. I imagine that I am not alone.
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>
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>
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>Aside:
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>
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>Personally, I don't that dial-up character-based I/O is the future of
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>computing. To bend over backwards to suit this constituency would be
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>to cripple any forward-looking WP, and to slow development.
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Unfortunately it's elitist. My lab has 50 vt-320 terminals and no
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X-terminals. So my students who would use such a product are out of luck.
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I'm typing this from a Linux box with a CGA card and original issue
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IBM PC Color Display. Am I not worthy of this product?
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Not to bend over backwards but to realize that a single interface cannot
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solve all the problems.
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Have both. Enhance the X version.
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Later,
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BAJ
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--
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Another random extraction from the mental bit stream of...
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Byron A. Jeff - PhD student operating in parallel - And Using Linux!
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Georgia Tech, Atlanta GA 30332 Internet: byron@cc.gatech.edu
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From: swein@csc.albany.edu (Scott Weinstein)
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Subject: Re: Does all SCO software run on Linux
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Date: 11 Oct 1994 02:46:24 GMT
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>>>>> "Mike" == Mike Jagdis <jaggy@purplet.demon.co.uk> writes:
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Mike> The fact that many, *many* people seem to be using iBCS but
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Mike> hardly anyone talks to me <sniff> would appear to suggest
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Mike> there are few applications that have significant problems. I
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Mike> might be reduced to adding 286 Xenix support soon :-(.
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I posted about this in comp.windows.x.i368unix, but got no replies.
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I've been using WP 5.1 for sco unix with linux and Xfree 2.1 for about
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a month with no real problems.
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I recently tried to upgrade to XFree 3.1. When I tried out WP, it gave
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give me lots of Xm* error and then wold give me a seg violation. One time it
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cause my HD to do *something* for about 1/2 hour. I ended up rebooting
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that time.
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I'm at kernel 1.1.45 and am now back to Xfree 2.1.
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From: rasquin@crpcu.lu (Rasquin Jean-Pierre)
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Subject: Re: Lilo booting last booted OS.
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Date: Fri, 14 Oct 1994 12:26:51 GMT
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In article <372rua$1cau@cygnus.lnec.pt> mvalente@draco.lnec.pt () writes:
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>From: mvalente@draco.lnec.pt ()
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>Subject: Re: Lilo booting last booted OS.
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>Date: 7 Oct 1994 07:04:42 GMT
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>Bruno Van Wilder (bvwilder@elis.rug.ac.be) wrote:
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>: rutger@arrakis.kub.nl wrote:
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>: : I would like to know if it is possible that Lilo will boot the last booted
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>: : OS. E.g. if I boot Linux then Lilo will keep on booting linux 'till I select
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>: : another OS (MS-Dos). I liked this feature in the SLS distribution (0.99.X),
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>: : but it is gone in the slackware distribution.
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>: I do not think it is possible yet, but it is a good idea indeed.
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Well it _is_ possible if you only have two OS's to switch between. You can put
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MS-DOS as the first OS in lilo.conf and Linux as the second one. There is an
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option in LILO (don't remeber which one now... it's in the readme anyway)
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which enables to select which OS to boot next, but only once. In other words,
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LILO would boot the (this way) selected OS, and boot the standart first OS in
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any other subsequent bootup. If you now put this command in rc.local, each
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time you'd boot Linux, it would set-up Linux as next boot default. If you now
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select DOS, you'd override this setting, and any subsequent bootup would boot
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the default OS, which is DOS. This has worked fine for me for almost a year
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now.
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If you have any questions left, ask ;-)
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JP.
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