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From: Digestifier <Linux-Admin-Request@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu>
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To: Linux-Admin@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Reply-To: Linux-Admin@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Date: Thu, 13 Oct 94 09:14:04 EDT
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Subject: Linux-Admin Digest #185
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Linux-Admin Digest #185, Volume #2 Thu, 13 Oct 94 09:14:04 EDT
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Contents:
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[Q] Pathway FTP fails (Andres Grino Brandt)
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Re: Intel Etherexpress net card problems: nasty "Rx buf.." messages (Eelco)
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Re: Accidentally 'bash' file permissions are made 000. Thus I am unable to Login. Any idea how to tackle. (Jinwoo Shin)
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Re: What's failed after Bogomips (Hallvard Paulsen)
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Re: Please don't post security holess... (M. K. Shenk)
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Re: Drat--lpd runs, but not lpr. (Dolf Smits)
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formatting tapes (Frank B. Brokken)
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Re: Please don't post security holess... (M. K. Shenk)
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Re: Please don't post security holess... (M. K. Shenk)
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Re: Mystery Chip...AMD (Brad Matthew Garcia)
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Linux and X (Michael Hutera)
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ISDN and Linux (Serge Solski u)
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"more" quit working. HELP!!! (Tony Schwartz)
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can't boot need help.. (Anthony (Tony Reeves))
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Re: New Motif lib's for use with XFree 3.1 ? (Rajesh Raj)
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From: agrino@central.bcentral.cl (Andres Grino Brandt)
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Subject: [Q] Pathway FTP fails
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Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 02:29:13 GMT
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Hi!
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We have a Linux box conected to a Novell net.
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We use Pathway Access for Dos and Windows, and I can use telnet (dos
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and Windows) without problems, but FTP alway fails. I have tried:
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1. FTP from DOS to Linux.
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2. FTP from Windows to Linux.
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3. FTP from Linux to DOS (DOS with ftpd).
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The problems is always a loss of the last 512 bytes Ethernet package
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(maybe sometimes even more). Many times I simply loss the FTP connection
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on entry.
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I don't think it is Linux's fault, as Linux can do FTP with any machine
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in the world, including our mainframes.
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Currently I FTP from Linux to a local mainframe, and then ftp from DOS to that
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mainframe to get the files into DOS. Novell and mainframes both run
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Pathway Access.
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I have tried every posible parameter, both in DOS and in Linux.
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Ideas?
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--
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Andres Grino Brandt Casilla 14801
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agrino@bcentral.cl Santiago 21 - Chile
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* Ley Grino de la Economia: Todo tiene su costo, y alguien tiene que pagarlo *
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* Everything has a cost and someone must pay for it *
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From: eelco@wariat.org (Eelco)
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Subject: Re: Intel Etherexpress net card problems: nasty "Rx buf.." messages
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Date: 13 Oct 1994 04:41:17 GMT
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Daniel Tran (dtran@emelnitz.ucla.edu) wrote:
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: This is normal for Intel EtherExpress users. Changing / upgrading kernel
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: won't help unless there is a newer version eexpress.c. As of now, I don't
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: know if there is a newer version or if there will be one in the future.
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: Donald Becker (the author of this driver) told me something about the design
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: of EtherExpress that causes it to behave like that.
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: I ended up switching to a Novell NE2000 and it has been solid ever since.
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: Daniel Tran -dtran@emelnitz.ucla.edu
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Or do what I did, just add a small delay loop of 150 in the driver, and then
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it works perfectly!
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eelco@wariat.org
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From: jwshin@nitride.EECS.Berkeley.EDU (Jinwoo Shin)
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Subject: Re: Accidentally 'bash' file permissions are made 000. Thus I am unable to Login. Any idea how to tackle.
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Date: 12 Oct 94 10:21:40 GMT
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venkat@scs.leeds.ac.uk (N B Venkateswarlu) writes:
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>boot floopy and also boot/root floppies. But could not succeed. I am using
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>slackware version. Any ideas how I have to tackle this.
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I don't understand why this shouldn't work. After you boot from floppy,
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(which has its own copy of a shell) all you do is mount the harddrive
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partition and change the permission of bash. Can you give us more detail on
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why this doesn't work?
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--
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Jinwoo Shin jwshin@eecs.berkeley.edu
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System Administrator
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Berkeley Sensor and Actuator Center
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From: hallpaul@mt22pc-26.marina.unit.no (Hallvard Paulsen)
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Subject: Re: What's failed after Bogomips
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Date: 11 Oct 1994 07:16:03 GMT
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Eberhard Moenkeberg (Eberhard_Moenkeberg@p27.rollo.central.de) wrote:
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: Hello Eduardo Jacob Taquet and all others,
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: on 30.09.94 Eduardo Jacob Taquet wrote to All in USENET.COMP.OS.LINUX.ADMIN:
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: EJT> I found that when booting Linux, just after bogomips line, (33.. Ok), i
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: EJT> get a failed that seems not to be related to anything. Does anybody know
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: EJT> what is this about?
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: The Sony CDROM driver is just telling you that you have failed to
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: build your own kernel. ;-)
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: Greetings ... Eberhard
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Actually I think this has something to do with to little memory
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for kernel and such. On my slackware 2.0.0 boot kernel whith
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CD-ROM support I got the message "memory is tight" (or similar)
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very early in the bootup process. After calculating bongomips Ok,
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I got a failed. (But not what failed..) After building a new kernel
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without all the things I didn't need. The "memory is tight" message
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went away, and after bongomips there is a two line message telling
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how much memory is awailable and how much the kernel uses
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However while running the original kernel, I did not notice any
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problems with it, even if it "failed"...
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Hallvard.
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From: mkshenk@u.washington.edu (M. K. Shenk)
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Subject: Re: Please don't post security holess...
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Date: 13 Oct 1994 05:17:50 GMT
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In article <37gt3n$fn1@digdug.pencom.com>,
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Robin D. Wilson <robin@pencom.com> wrote:
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>In article <37foqi$8g2@nntp1.u.washington.edu> mkshenk@u.washington.edu (M.
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>K. Shenk) writes:
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>:In article <1994Oct11.152740.15304@cs.cornell.edu>,
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>:La'szlo' Lada'nyi <ladanyi@cs.cornell.edu> wrote:
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>:>mkshenk@u.washington.edu (M. K. Shenk) writes:
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>:>[...]
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>:>>>> Penetrating the security of a
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>:>>>> computer system is totally harmless in and of itself.
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>:>>> ^^^ LOOOK! LOOOOK at this! "in and of itself."
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>:>>>This is your opinion, and you would probably find that 99% of
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>:>>>administrators will disagree with you.
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>
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>Mr. Shenk, you are _simply_ (and completely) WRONG! Privacy is a _very_
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>significant thing. You are advocating a way of life that leaves people no
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>choice but to completely conceal their private information within their own
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>heads.
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You idiot. Where do you see advocation? Expression of an opinion
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does not imply advocation of anything. What I mean when I am
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saying something is not what you might mean when you were saying the
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same thing. I am advocating nothing. If you cared to read what I am
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saying and not what you would like to hear, you would see that I
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expressly have said that I do not believe this is a 'correct' thing
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to do, merely that it is possible that it can do no harm. Never do I
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say this makes it 'okay' or do I advocate it. Learn to read and think.
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>
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>Clearly, you have alot to learn about being _human_...
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A lot is two words. ;-)
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I'm through with this thread. Nobody seems to get it. This (now
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worthless) discussion simply stemmed from a response to a dogmatic view
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about system crackers. I don't care who you express an incorrect
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view about, be it a murderer, I will attack it. This does not
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mean I am defending murder. This does not mean I am advocating murder. Do
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you understand this? Expressly: I do not advocate system cracking. I
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also do not advocate blanket statements about system crackers, murderers
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or anyone else. If you have not the intellectual capacity to understand
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why being correct even in damning someone or some group, no matter how
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much one would like to just damn away indiscriminately, is important, then
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I give up.
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This has become pedantic. I apologize for the bandwidth I have wasted on
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this. If anyone feels they still need to 'straighten me out', take it
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to mail.
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--
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"A lot" is two words. So is "every day," in most cases. "Apostrophe-ess"
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is used only in the case of the possessive or a contraction. If you read,
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should see these things demonstrated correctly quite often. Unless you
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read ad copy.
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From: dolf@interduct.tudelft.nl (Dolf Smits)
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Subject: Re: Drat--lpd runs, but not lpr.
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Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 07:35:10 GMT
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Jeff Arnholt (arnholt@mayo.edu) wrote:
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: I'd appreciate any advice on the following: when setting
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: up my HP 4P laserjet on Linux (using LPT1), I'm able
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: to print to the queue (IE, lpq shows that the file is
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: waiting to print), but the printer never receives the
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: file. lpc gives some message like "lp unable to print--
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: offline," but the printer behaves normally under DOS/WfW3.11.
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: Any general suggests as to what to try next? I've
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: exhausted the possibilities in the HOWTO. I'm fairly sure
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: that an expert could troubleshoot this in minutes.
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What does lpc stat give for messages?
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Did you enable the printer? (with lpc enable <printername>
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Try this, if it doesn't work give the output of lpc stat over here and I will
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have a second look at it
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Luck, Dolf
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: Many thanks.
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: ---
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: Jeff Arnholt: mail arnholt@mayo.edu
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: Mayo Medical and Graduate Schools
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: 200 1st St. SW, Rochester, MN 55905
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--
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Smits@interduct.tudelft.nl D.F. Smits
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Interduct
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Delft University Clean Technology Institute
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Rotterdamseweg 145
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2628 AL DELFT tel. (+31) 15 78 72 39
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The Netherlands fax. (+31) 15 78 66 82
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Linux, The choice of a GNU generation
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(Anonymous)
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From: frank@icce.rug.nl (Frank B. Brokken)
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Subject: formatting tapes
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Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 08:01:26 GMT
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Dear Linuxers,
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If you ever have to format a tape to be used with a tapestreamer connected
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to the floppy-drive controller (like a Colorado Jumbo), you have to
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boot to DOS, then do a tape-format, then boot back to linux.
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The formatting takes about 1-2 hrs, and in the meantime you can't do
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anything else, because you're at DOS.
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From the bulletin board of Aragorn Computers (Eindhoven, the Netherlands)
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I recently retrieved the DOS program QS3.EXE which allows the recording
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and execution of keyboard macros. QS3 is a tape-formatting utility.
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Using its macro facility I can now format a tape while I'm away or asleep:
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Linux boots to dos, there a modified autoexec.bat waits, formatting the
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tape using the macro-program, booting back to linux thereafter.
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It works very smoothly. The QS3 program is contained in QS3.ZIP, and
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can be obtained from ftp.icce.rug.nl, directory pub/frank. There is also
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a small qs3.README file, in which you'll find more details about the
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procedure.
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Any questions or remarks ? Send me an e-mail.
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Frank Brokken
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(frank@icce.rug.nl)
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From: mkshenk@u.washington.edu (M. K. Shenk)
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Subject: Re: Please don't post security holess...
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Date: 12 Oct 1994 04:31:14 GMT
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In article <1994Oct11.152740.15304@cs.cornell.edu>,
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La'szlo' Lada'nyi <ladanyi@cs.cornell.edu> wrote:
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>mkshenk@u.washington.edu (M. K. Shenk) writes:
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>[...]
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>>>> Penetrating the security of a
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>>>> computer system is totally harmless in and of itself.
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>>> ^^^ LOOOK! LOOOOK at this! "in and of itself."
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>>>This is your opinion, and you would probably find that 99% of
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>>>administrators will disagree with you.
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>>No. This is a true statement. READ. "In and of itself." Meaning--when
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>>the system says "Password:" and I say "Susan" and I hang up, this is
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>>totally harmless IN AND OF ITSELF. If 99% of admins disagree, well, then
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>>99% of admins can't think straight.
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^^^ LOOOOK! Read this. Then read your response. You start talking about
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compiler use, etc. No. No. Look. Password: beavis "Welcome to.."
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<CLICK> Get it?
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>This reminds me of the joke:
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>A guy is driving on the higway and listens to the radio. It say: "Attention!
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>There is a crazy driver driving the wrong way on the highway!" The guy is
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>amazed: "One? All of them!"...
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>Seriously. I do not agree with you. If 99% of admins are against your opinion
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>you still might be right, but the probabilities are *very* low.
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Not really. Faith in the idea sort of depends on where you fall on the
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scale..
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>And if you want to be shown something you really steal when breaking in,
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>then two things:
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When you break in and USE THE SYSTEM. Not when you break in. Well, a few
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cycles for the login program. So I concede.
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>CPU cycles. Others have to pay for them and you don't pay. (Yes, even
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>universities have a theoretical value for CPU hours and if they sell
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<snip>
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>permission.
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>These are just two examples and I'm sure there are more.
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These examples do not bear on my statement, which was: (read..I
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specified this rather directly..I am not talking about doing anything
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with the system..) typing a correct response to a password prompt for
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an account which is not yours and hanging up does no harm. I'm not
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talking here about any of that stuff. I am not talking about using a
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compiler. I am not talking about typing ls. I am talking about the mere
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act of gaining entry. Now go on and read the rest of my post.
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>
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>I do hope that in time you'll realize that you are mistaken - at least in
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>the opinion of 99% of the admins.
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That would be a very sad day. Are you capable of representing 99% of admins?
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Are you capable of reading the statement I made, not the one you think I
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made, and refuting it? Can anyone understand I am not defending crackers,
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but trying to promote rationality in the issue? Disliking some people or
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some actions does not merit losing one's reason. One must still see what
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is and what is not. No contest that breaking in is "wrong." I never
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contested that, or if I did I certainly didn't mean to. But read what I'm
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saying and not what you think someone saying what I am saying would be
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meaning.
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>Laci Ladanyi
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You seem to have missed my point. For one thing, the original poster
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is not capable of dictating what 99% of sysadmins believe, only what
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he believes they believe. Secondly. Now. Read: the exact, singular
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act of typing a correct response to a password prompt does no damage. Ok,
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it might leech several thousand CPU cycles. What I am trying to point out
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is that what one does DOES matter. Why must this instantly be taken the
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wrong way? It may still be wrong to do it, because it is someone else's
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property and they do not want you to do that. But...true statement:
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the typing in of a correct password that is not yours and hanging up does
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NO harm. You have gained entry. But done no harm. It is possible to still
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disagree with the act. But no harm has been done. Period. Example:
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you may touch me on the arm, doing me no harm. But I may still rightfully
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deny you that. Can't you see there is no conflict here? Simply because I
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say an act does no harm does not mean I am defending that act. I am
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simply making a statement of fact about that act.
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I am not opposed to "99% of all sysadmins." I was opposed to one man's
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opinion of what 99% of all sysadmins would think, and IF that is
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REALLY what they think, then I said they would be wrong. Which they
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would be. Read my statement. Then tell me where you disagree.
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Can someone propose a location where followups would be more germane?
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We're sort of off-topic.
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From: mkshenk@u.washington.edu (M. K. Shenk)
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Subject: Re: Please don't post security holess...
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Date: 12 Oct 1994 04:33:43 GMT
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In article <37dvub$ojf@paperboy.osf.org>,
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Dan Swartzendruber <dswartz@pugsley.osf.org> wrote:
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>In article <37cp6s$t3o@nntp1.u.washington.edu> mkshenk@u.washington.edu (M. K. Shenk) writes:
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>>In article <37c7kn$auc@hermes.sibylline.com>,
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>>Patrick D. Ashmore <pda@procyon.com> wrote:
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>>>M. K. Shenk (mkshenk@u.washington.edu) wrote:
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>
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>[Horseshit deleted to save bandwidth]
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>
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>Listen, pal. Personally, you can have whatever screwed-up,
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>self-serving rationalization for violating other people's
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>privacy, but it doesn't wash. I mean, really. Have you ever
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>been a burglary victim? Do you think it makes the victim feel
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>less violated because the burglar entered through an unlocked
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>door/window instead of forcing entrance? Grow up, pinhead.
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My. I seem to have gotten your goat. If you will re-read, I never
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"rationalized" it. I in fact believe I implied it was rather unacceptable.
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However, I was trying to promote some thinking on the nature of
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virtual vs. real tresspassing. I seem to have struck an emotional chord
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with you rather than a rational one. Do you possess enough mental
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sophistication to understand arguing a side without being on that
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side? I specifically indicated that I personally wouldn't want crackers
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on my system. Try and use your brain and not your gut. Apparently, you
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have been a burglary victim, and as is often the case with victims, you
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are no longer able to think rationally about the issue. All that is
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left to you is an emotional, knee-jerk response. This response is
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pathetic whether or not what it is a reaction to is bad. My condolences.
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I certainly hope if I am ever victimized, I rise above it better than you
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have.
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G'day.
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>--
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>
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>#include <std_disclaimer.h>
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>
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>Dan S.
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From: garcia@ece.cmu.edu (Brad Matthew Garcia)
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Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.systems,comp.os.linux.misc
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Subject: Re: Mystery Chip...AMD
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Date: 13 Oct 1994 11:08:59 GMT
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In article <37hgfh$71n@venera.isi.edu>,
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daniel@isi.edu (Daniel Zappala) writes:
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|>
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|> In article <37h24oINN15j@life.ai.mit.edu>,
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|> jolt@gnu.ai.mit.edu (John Palaima) writes:
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|> >
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|> > Hah. Apparently you didn't hear that the Am486 DX/2 66 could be safely
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|> > over-clocked to run at 80Mhz. All the DX2-80 is is a relabeled DX2-66.
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|> > That's why it's not much more expensive. It's the same chip. Anyone wanna
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|> > take bets that new 66Mhz chips will be "crippled" so they can't be over-
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|> > clocked? :)
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|> > --
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|>
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|> But a DX2-80 can't be just a relabeled, overclocked DX2-66. It's bus speed has
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|> to be 40 Mhz.
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|>
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|> Daniel
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I think that you are confused, Dan, between a relabled 66 MHz *system* and
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a relabled 66 MHz *cpu*. They simply put the 66 MHz chip on a 40 MHz
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motherboard (which is also accomplished by changing the speed of the
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motherboard) and... TADA! - a 486DX2-80!
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--
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Brad M. Garcia Carnegie Mellon University
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____/ ____/ ____/ Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering
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__/ / __/ "The only Engineering department in the world where
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_____/ _____/ _____/ the secretaries have the most powerful computers."
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From: mikeh@ritz.mordor.com (Michael Hutera)
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Subject: Linux and X
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Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 04:22:44 GMT
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When I start up X the window is not centered. The whole screen shifts to the
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right. Is there a way to center it?
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Mike Hutera
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From: sols7520@mach1.wlu.ca (Serge Solski u)
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Subject: ISDN and Linux
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Date: Thu, 13 Oct 1994 03:30:38 GMT
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I noticed some talk before here about ISDN. A local service
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provider is going to be using ISDN in the near future, and I'd like to
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use it (a lot cheaper than 56K.)
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What is entailed in using ISDN with Linux? I take it there's an
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ISDN card for the computer. How does Linux use the card? Does it treat it
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like an ethernet card, or something else?
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Bell tells me I'll need an ISDN Terminal Adapter. What is that,
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and will I have that when I have the card? They give me an NT-1, whatever
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that is.
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I get two "B" channels. Does one ISDN card only use one "B"
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channel? Can I use another ISDN card to have two 64K links to my service
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provider (assuming I pay them twice)?
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Is there any other information about ISDN that I'll need. Anyone
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putting together a FAQ for this?
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Much thanks for any information anyone can give.
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-Mark
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--
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"Key chuckles. 'If Skinny Puppy, in terms of the movie _Alien_, is a
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chest-burster, then Doubting Thomas is more of a face-hugger,' he informs,
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as if that were an explanation."
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-Keyboard, Jan '92
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From: tony@teleport.com (Tony Schwartz)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
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Subject: "more" quit working. HELP!!!
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Date: Wed, 12 Oct 1994 22:55:43
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Recently my 'more' program quit working. I have tried several things with no
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success. When I type 'more filename', it simply goes to the next line. When
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I say "ls >more" I get a broken pipe error.
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This seems really stupid but it has me whooped. Any ideas???
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Tony
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From: tony@dunes.es.hac.com (Anthony (Tony) Reeves)
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Subject: can't boot need help..
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Date: 12 Oct 1994 16:21:17 GMT
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I have the yggdrasil plug and play linux,
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I can't get it to boot.. the floppy disk boots up, then it can't load
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the kernel cause it can't find the cdrom..
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I have a Medavision fusion 16 cdrom kit.. this is the sound blaster, cdrom
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speakers thing.. cdrom works fine in dos, no problems..
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but linux can't find...
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anyone know an option that I can feed the boot: prompt to make it work..
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--
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Tony Reeves |Email: tony@hbc.hac.com
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Hughes Business Communcations |"what we have here, is a falure to
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GM Hughes Electronics |communcate"
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Views expressed here have nothing to do with Hughes, GM or Elvis....
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From: Rajesh Raj <rxr401@huxley>
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Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.i386unix,comp.windows.x.motif
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Subject: Re: New Motif lib's for use with XFree 3.1 ?
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Date: Thu, 13 Oct 1994 16:37:39 +1000
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On 10 Oct 1994, Craig Groeschel wrote:
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> This article is Linux-specific and Metro Link Motif-specific.
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> Please hit n now if you're not interested.
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>
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> In article <Pine.SUN.3.90.941008125857.26941A-100000@huxley>,
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> Rajesh Raj <rxr401@huxley> wrote:
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> >I was in contact with tech@metrolink.com. They have no plan to recompile
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> >Linux Motif 1.2.4 with X11R6 libraries. The tech guy advised me to use the
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> >old X11R5 libraries.
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>
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> That's an interesting spin you have chosen to put on things.
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> Yes, it's true we do not plan to update 1.2.x, but you left out why:
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>
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> Motif 2.0 is out. We are working on porting Motif 2.0 to Linux.
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I am not trying to put "spin" on things. I posted what I gathered from
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your response. Yes, Motif 2.0 is out, and it is known that Motif-vendors
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are working on it. You are not revealing anything that was not known 30
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days ago when I bought Motif for Linux from you.
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Now, as you have chosen to speak for Metrolink would you like to clarify
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a few things ?
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1.When do you propose to make Motif 2.0 for Linux available ? How
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much would it cost me to upgrade ? [You did not reply to the
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e-mail in which I had asked these questions.]
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2.Why is it that none of your advertisements (e.g., on tsx-11.mit.edu)
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indicate that Motif 1.2.4 would *only* run with X11R5 libraries ?
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[Most companies mention the hardware/software requirements in their
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products.]
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My decision to buy Metrolik Motif was based on your old ad (replaced on
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11 Oct.) on tsx-11.mit.edu, in which future updates were mentioned. At
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the time of purchase, I was not told that Metrolink "does not plan to
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update 1.2.4" although all of us knew that XFree86 3.1 was about to be
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released and XFree86 3.0 (X11R6) was available. What if I was running
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XFree86 3.0 ?
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> In the meantime, allow me to explain how to make our Linux Motif work
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> with XFree86-3.1.
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> Yes, Virginia, Motif 1.2.x does work with X11R6, but we have
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> to rely on the magic of shared libraries and dynamic linking.
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People know that R4 libraries would be needed to compile/run R4 apps
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under X11R5. I am sure that there are many people running old versions of
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Motif with XFree86 3.1.
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>
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> The short answer:
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>
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> Install the libX11 and libXt of XFree86-2.1, and Motif will work.
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> (Also be sure /usr/X386/lib is in your /etc/ld.so.conf, and run ldconfig.)
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> The filename is XF86-2.1-lib.tar.gz, and it is available from
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> your friendly neighborhood Linux archive. Use archie to find one near you.
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>
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Again, thanks for the advice. What about reshuffling config (templates, cf,
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rules) files and includes ? Do you imply that Motif apps can be compiled
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with R6 includes and templates without any problem ? My experience
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suggests otherwise.
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> The long answer:
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>
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> Motif applications compiled with 1.2.4 WILL WORK with XFree86-3.1 (X11R6).
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> However, Motif 1.2.4 is based on X11R5, and it depends on
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> R5's libX11 and libXt. So all you need to do is keep those libraries
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> (libX11 and libXt) from XFree86-2.1 installed on your system.
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> Through the magic of dynamic linking, the proper libraries will be
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> linked in.
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>
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> I agree it would be nice if Motif would work seamlessly with R6,
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> but this is the way things are:
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>
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> XFree86-2.1 is based on X11R5.
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> XFree86-3.1 is based on X11R6.
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> X11R5 != X11R6
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> Motif 1.2.4 is based on X11R5.
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> Motif 2.0 is based on X11R5.
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> Motif 2.1 will be based on X11R6. (?)
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>
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Does it mean that Motif 2.0 would also need X11R5 libraries ?
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|
|
> >As I have no plan to keep old libraries taking the disk-space, I removed
|
|
> >motif from the disk altogether. Would somebody give me $100 for this
|
|
> >package ?
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>
|
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> This sounds to me like cutting off your nose to spite your face.
|
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> Let's see how much space the old libraries actually take up:
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>
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> [list of libraries deleted]
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|
|
The issue is not inadequate disk-space or old libraries. It is fine if
|
|
the author of a freeware does not specify the requirements of running the
|
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program, but I have not known a commercial software that would not
|
|
specify the software/hardware requirements on its package.
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|
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> Bottom line is that we support our customers, and we are working on
|
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> providing the latest technology both in X and Motif.
|
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> Pay no attention to the boilerplate: I am speaking for Metro Link this time.
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|
|
Well, in that case, reconsider the decision of not updating Motif 1.2.4.
|
|
You would be doing us a great favour. What do you think your potential
|
|
customers would feel, when they realise that the package they are
|
|
going to buy is not going to work on their existing (X11R6) system
|
|
without old libraries ?
|
|
|
|
Also, what is your policy regarding those people who have bought or are
|
|
going to buy Motif 1.2.4 after X11R6 release ? Are they going to pay the
|
|
full price for updating to Motif 2.0 ?
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Raj
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rxr401@huxley.anu.edu.au
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