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From: Digestifier <Linux-Development-Request@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu>
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To: Linux-Development@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Reply-To: Linux-Development@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu
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Date: Sun, 27 Feb 94 09:13:04 EST
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Subject: Linux-Development Digest #505
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Linux-Development Digest #505, Volume #1 Sun, 27 Feb 94 09:13:04 EST
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Contents:
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Re: PLEASE use the GPL (Brad Isley)
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Re: Specialix driver (Kjetil Torgrim Homme)
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Re: Specialix driver (Charles Hedrick)
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Re: Linux Darkstar 0.99.15 #2 Sat Jan 1 21:36:13 MET 1994 Alpha ?? (Donald J. Becker)
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Re: Specialix driver (Doug DeJulio)
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O_SYNC (GNU Emacs on X can't be interrupted by CTRL-G) (NIIBE Yutaka)
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using ioctl(KDSKBMODE) (Zeyd M. Ben-Halim)
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Re: PLEASE use the GPL (John F. Haugh II)
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Re: Tired question (PS/2 availability) (Arindam Banerji)
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Re: Specialix driver (Kjetil Torgrim Homme)
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Re: PLEASE use the GPL (Brad Isley)
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Re: effectiveness of cache ram? (Andrew Hutton)
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Finding new maintainer for dialog (Savio Lam)
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Re: PLEASE use the GPL (Tim Smith)
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Re: Specialix driver (Tim Smith)
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Re: Specialix driver (Tim Smith)
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Problems with shared Libs (Achim Reckeweg)
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Re: Alpha release of message catalog command and functions (Mitchum DSouza)
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From: brad@slammer.atl.ga.us (Brad Isley)
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Subject: Re: PLEASE use the GPL
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Date: Sun, 27 Feb 1994 02:57:39 GMT
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In article <1994Feb24.051058.1397@super.org> becker@super.org (Donald J. Becker) writes:
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>In article <CLonHu.9wy@slammer.atl.ga.us>,
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>Brad Isley <brad@slammer.atl.ga.us> wrote:
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>>seriously confused. If you think this is unprofessional, I invite you
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>>to get a clue. You're obviously ignorant and/or unexperienced.
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>
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>Hmmm, we should take a poll. Is Russ Nelson
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> ( ) ignorant
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> ( ) inexperienced
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Oh, well. An apology is in order here. Sorry, Russ.
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What I meant to say was more like "If you believe the GPL is the only way to
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go, ..." Open foot. Insert mouth. But nobody believes the GPL is the only
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way to go, right? :-)
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Again, sorry.
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--
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brad@slammer.atl.ga.us (Brad Isley) +1 404 925-9663(H) 493-2484(W)
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From: kjetilho@ifi.uio.no (Kjetil Torgrim Homme)
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Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
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Subject: Re: Specialix driver
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Date: 27 Feb 1994 04:41:54 GMT
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+--- Doug DeJulio:
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| Why should I, as a simple computer hobbyist, care if Linux ever does
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| this? I'm more concerned with making sure *I* have the source code
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| to everything I can possibly get the source code for.
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+-------
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So _you_ would never buy a Specialix product, or if you did, you would
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start working on a free driver. If we get commercial companies to
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develop drivers _in_addition_ to all the voluntary work, we will all
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benefit.
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Kjetil T.
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From: hedrick@athos.rutgers.edu (Charles Hedrick)
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Subject: Re: Specialix driver
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Date: 27 Feb 94 04:28:20 GMT
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ddj+@cs.cmu.edu (Doug DeJulio) writes:
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>> Let's say I run Linux, and one of it's system calls is unique to the OS
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>>(It could be another OS like VSTa for example). If I use that unique system
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>>call, would my code need to be GPLed under the GPL? ...
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>That's my understanding, yes. ...
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PLEASE, can't people read the notices. With the Linux kernel sources
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comes a file COPYING. It contains the GPL, but there is a paragraph
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before it:
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NOTE! This copyright does *not* cover user programs that use kernel
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services by normal system calls - this is merely considered normal use
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of the kernel, and does *not* fall under the heading of "derived work".
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Also note that the GPL below is copyrighted by the Free Software
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Foundation, but the instance of code that it refers to (the linux
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kernel) is copyrighted by me and others who actually wrote it.
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Linus Torvalds
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Why are we having arguments over absurd interpretations of the GPL
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when Linus has clarified the interpretation that actually applies to
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Linux?
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From: becker@super.org (Donald J. Becker)
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Subject: Re: Linux Darkstar 0.99.15 #2 Sat Jan 1 21:36:13 MET 1994 Alpha ??
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Date: Sat, 26 Feb 1994 20:20:17 GMT
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>Philippe Steindl (ilg@imp.ch) wrote:
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>: Are there any people working/interested on/in an Alpha port of Linux? With
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>: the upcoming PCI alpha boards with a cheap 21066 Alpha, very fast Linux
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>: boxes for the price of an 486 could be realised. Maybe this is only a dream
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I'm interested in an Alpha port. As many people out there know my current
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research interest is cost-effective off-the-shelf clustered processors. If
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DEC does come out with a low price on AlphaPCI boards I would probably be
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interested enough to spend a lot of time on a Linux port.
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In article <CLstDJ.4GB@fc.hp.com>, Dave Hollenbeck <dbh@fc.hp.com> wrote:
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>How about porting to a Hewlett Packard? :-) Same argument.
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Easy answer: cost. HP isn't interested in a low-cost PA implementation.
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Sure, they are "competitive" when you add all of the common workstation
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overhead to the single-processor price, but when considering the minimal
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system to build a cluster node (processor, memory, small disk, and OS) they
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don't come out ahead even with their relatively fast processor.
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To switch back to DEC for a moment: despite my hopes, I don't expect the
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AlphaPCI to be low-priced. I think DEC will do the traditional
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big-computer-company thing and try not to compete with their higher-priced
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products.
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--
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Donald Becker becker@super.org
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IDA Supercomputing Research Center
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17100 Science Drive, Bowie MD 20715 301-805-7482
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Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
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From: ddj+@cs.cmu.edu (Doug DeJulio)
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Subject: Re: Specialix driver
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Date: Sun, 27 Feb 1994 05:39:04 GMT
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In article <2kp8ai$i0@ifi.uio.no>,
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Kjetil Torgrim Homme <kjetilho@ifi.uio.no> wrote:
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>+--- Doug DeJulio:
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>| Why should I, as a simple computer hobbyist, care if Linux ever does
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>| this? I'm more concerned with making sure *I* have the source code
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>| to everything I can possibly get the source code for.
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>+-------
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>So _you_ would never buy a Specialix product, or if you did, you would
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>start working on a free driver. If we get commercial companies to
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>develop drivers _in_addition_ to all the voluntary work, we will all
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>benefit.
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Please explain -- how will *I* benefit?
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--
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Doug DeJulio
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ddj+@cmu.edu
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From: gniibe@mri.co.jp (NIIBE Yutaka)
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Subject: O_SYNC (GNU Emacs on X can't be interrupted by CTRL-G)
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Date: 27 Feb 94 15:05:51
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I found that when using GNU Emacs on X, it can't be interrupted by
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CTRL-G, because Linux doesn't support O_SYNC and SIGIO (yet). It can
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be interrupted when it runs on terminal, because a terminal device
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driver generates SIGQUIT by CTRL-G. Please try to evaluate the S
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expression
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(while t)
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and press CTRL-G.
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# My Linux is version 0.99pl15, GNU Emacs is version 19.22, Mule is
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# version 1.0pl1 (based on GNU Emacs 18.59).
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I can't imagine a life without Emacs, so it is rather big problem for
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me. :-)
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And I have another application which depends on O_SYNC for
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asynchronous I/O. If it works on my Linux box, I would be very happy.
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:-)
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Since Linux comes with source code, I can try to hack it. However, I
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want to know if someone is trying to implement that feature or not.
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Please let me know.
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Thank you in advance.
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--
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NIIBE Yutaka
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Mitsubishi Research Institute, Inc.
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From: zmbenhal@netcom.com (Zeyd M. Ben-Halim)
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Subject: using ioctl(KDSKBMODE)
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Date: Sun, 27 Feb 1994 06:14:20 GMT
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I'm trying to read keyboard scan code directly by using the call:
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ioctl(fd, KDSKBMODE, K_MEDIUMRAW);
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Everything seem ok except for the fact that pressing 'r' will result
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in the scroll lock light turning on and further input inhibited until
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'w' is pressed. This also happens in K_RAW mode.
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Is there something I'm missing? Any way to get rid of this behavior?
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I'm using stock 0.9.15 an kbd-0.84 but still using libc 4.4.4 if it
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makes any difference.
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Thanks for any help,
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Zeyd
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--
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---
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Zeyd M. Ben-Halim zmbenhal@netcom.com
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10479 1/4 Santa Monica Blvd, LA, CA, 90025 (310) 470-0281
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From: jfh@rpp386 (John F. Haugh II)
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Subject: Re: PLEASE use the GPL
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Reply-To: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F. Haugh II)
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Date: Sat, 26 Feb 1994 20:39:21 GMT
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In article <CLt0oL.6CL@specialix.com> jonb@specialix.com (Jon Brawn) writes:
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>kenney@u.washington.edu (Michael Kenney) writes:
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>>Just because anybody *can* support it doesn't mean anybody *will*. The GPL
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>>is no guarantee that there will be anyone supporting the software years from
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>>now.
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>
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>BUT there is more CHANCE of it being supported.
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I don't think there is any evidence whatsoever that this is true. Prior
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to the invention of the GPL, mod.sources was doing good business. Even
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my own experiences with Shadow and Linux indicates that non-GPL'd code
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gets supported by someone. In particular, Ed Carp and Peter MacDonald
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both did excellent work).
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What the GPL does that the other "free" copyrights don't do is create the
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environment for anyone to hack and slash the code as they see fit. If
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you've ever tried to maintain logical consistency of a large software
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package when people are clamouring for new features, you can imagine
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what this is like.
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>>If a piece of software becomes useful or popular enough it will stick
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>>around and be supported *regardless* of the copyright/license. Look at X
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>>and BSD.
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>
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>Ah, but for a piece of ``non-commercial-use-only'' software, this may well
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>be ILLEGAL!!!!
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"Commercial" restrictions are an entirely separate issue.
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--
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John F. Haugh II [ NRA-ILA ] [ Kill Barney ] !'s: ...!cs.utexas.edu!rpp386!jfh
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Ma Bell: (512) 251-2151 [GOP][DoF #17][PADI][ENTJ] @'s: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org
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There are three documents that run my life: The King James Bible, the United
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States Constitution, and the UNIX System V Release 4 Programmer's Reference.
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From: axb@defender.dcrl.nd.edu (Arindam Banerji)
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Subject: Re: Tired question (PS/2 availability)
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Date: 27 Feb 1994 07:27:23 GMT
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Peple at IBM T.J Watson Research are working on the port. They were delayed
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slightly, because I took a long time in writing up and sending them some routines
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for the PS/2
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ESDI driver. But I suspect that work is in progress.
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=============================================================================
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Arindam Banerji (219)-631-5273 (Voice)
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384 FitzPatrick Hall (219)-631-5772 (Voice)
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Dept. of Computer Science and Engineering (219)-273-0862 (Voice)
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University of Notre Dame (219)-631-9260 (FAX)
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Notre Dame, IN 46556 axb@cse.nd.edu (E-mail)
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=============================================================================
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From: kjetilho@ifi.uio.no (Kjetil Torgrim Homme)
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Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
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Subject: Re: Specialix driver
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Date: 27 Feb 1994 07:58:36 GMT
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++--- Kjetil T. Homme:
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|| So _you_ would never buy a Specialix product, or if you did, you
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|| would start working on a free driver. If we get commercial
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|| companies to develop drivers _in_addition_ to all the voluntary
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|| work, we will all benefit.
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+--- Doug DeJulio:
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| Please explain -- how will *I* benefit?
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+---
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You may not benefit, but you won't lose anything.
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You can now buy a Specialix board and get a driver to go with it. If
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the driver doesn't work, you can take your board back or write a
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better driver yourself.
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For most other hardware, you get just the hardware, and it is *your*
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responsibility to make it work with Linux.
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Now, if the product in question was a pure software product like, say,
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Stacker, there might be less of an incentive to write a free version
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(I don't really think so myself, but I can sympathise with such a
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view). However, a driver for some piece of hardware is almost an
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integral part of the hardware itself.
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Kjetil T.
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From: brad@slammer.atl.ga.us (Brad Isley)
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Subject: Re: PLEASE use the GPL
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Date: Sun, 27 Feb 1994 06:18:32 GMT
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In article <CLv484.FnC@slammer.atl.ga.us> brad@slammer.atl.ga.us (Brad Isley) writes:
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>In article <1994Feb24.051058.1397@super.org> becker@super.org (Donald J. Becker) writes:
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>>In article <CLonHu.9wy@slammer.atl.ga.us>,
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>>Brad Isley <brad@slammer.atl.ga.us> wrote:
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>>>seriously confused. If you think this is unprofessional, I invite you
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>>>to get a clue. You're obviously ignorant and/or unexperienced.
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>>
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>>Hmmm, we should take a poll. Is Russ Nelson
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>> ( ) ignorant
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>> ( ) inexperienced
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>Oh, well. An apology is in order here. Sorry, Russ.
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>
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>What I meant to say was more like "If you believe the GPL is the only way to
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>go, ..." Open foot. Insert mouth. But nobody believes the GPL is the only
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>way to go, right? :-)
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>Again, sorry.
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Once more I study what I wrote and see a need for amendment. I said, "If
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you think this is unprofessional, ... You are obviously..." The "You are
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obviously ..." is dependant upon the "If you think this [wanting to be paid
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some portion of commercial sales of your software] is unprofessional."
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I didn't write it this way, bit that's how I meant it. I stand by this
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meaning. I don't think Russ thinks this is unprofessional. I hope I'm right.
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Becker's follow-up made me think I was unconditionally calling Russ immature
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or ignorant. This was not the intent.
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-peace
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--
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brad@slammer.atl.ga.us (Brad Isley) +1 404 925-9663(H) 493-2484(W)
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From: ajh@zeus.achilles.org (Andrew Hutton)
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Subject: Re: effectiveness of cache ram?
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Date: 26 Feb 1994 22:45:19 GMT
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: There are many many things that are better than having more cache. I've
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: got a 486/33 board with 64k cache -- I used to have 486/33 256k and I
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: never missed it at all.....
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Try putting more than 8 megs on the board... For 32 megs you need 256K.
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--
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From: lam836@cs.cuhk.hk (Savio Lam)
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Subject: Finding new maintainer for dialog
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Reply-To: lam836@cs.cuhk.hk
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Date: Sun, 27 Feb 1994 09:32:54 GMT
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Hello all,
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I am the author of a program called dialog. For those who don't
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know, dialog is a program that can be used to display dialog boxes using
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a curses/ncurses interface from a shell script. It is used by Slackware
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1.1.2 for the 'color144' setup program. Due to some personal reasons, I
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find I can't spend as much time as before on dialog. Since I don't want
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to hold to development of dialog just because of me, I am seeking a new
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maintainer for dialog. My requirement is simple: dialog *must* remain
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freely available to everyone (I prefer the GPL), and that my name as the
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original author should be mentioned in the sources and in appropriate
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places in the documents (e.g. the man page, the README). Of course, the
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new maintainer can add his own name to it. Also, first priority should
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be given to Linux (i.e. It *must* run under Linux, porting to other
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Unices is of second priority).
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Anyone who is willing to look into the code of dialog and do
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modifications to it can do the job. If he's not familiar with curses
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programming, he can find another person to work with him. In other
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words, I don't mind how many are working on dialog, as long as they are
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cooperating with each other.
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Please send me a mail if you are interested. I will forward
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mails I've got about suggestions send in, so that you can decide on
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which features to add in the next version.
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Savio
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--
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# Internet: lam836@cs.cuhk.hk | / \ Can't live with DOS? #
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# Department of Computer Science | | DOS | #
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# Chinese University of Hong Kong | | | Try Linux... #
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From: tzs@u.washington.edu (Tim Smith)
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Subject: Re: PLEASE use the GPL
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Date: 27 Feb 1994 12:26:11 GMT
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Nate Williams <nate@bsd.coe.montana.edu> wrote:
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>>Modifying the GPL is not a really good idea unless you're a lawyer.
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>
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>Actually, I believe it's not allowed.
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Yeah, but you could make a license that is similar, but differs in those
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areas where you think the GPL should be modified. The copyright on the
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GPL covers its expression of the terms of the license, but it does not
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cover those terms themselves.
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The best way to do this would be to make a list of the rights, restrictions,
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and obligations spelled out in the GPL. Delete those you don't want. Add
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any new ones you want. Then give the list to a lawyer and tell him or her
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to write a license agreement for you.
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--Tim Smith
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From: tzs@u.washington.edu (Tim Smith)
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Subject: Re: Specialix driver
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Date: 27 Feb 1994 12:51:40 GMT
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Robert Sanders <gt8134b@prism.gatech.EDU> wrote:
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>I'm surprised that with the recent silliness over the Shadow suite that
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>you haven't heard some of the more recent interpretations. RMS and
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>others maintain that any program written to use an interface which
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>is solely available under the GPL is to be considered a derived work.
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>For example, if the only C library were glibc, and it was under the GPL
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>and not the GLPL, until someone wrote a non-GPL'ed libc, any code that
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>used printf() would be a derived work. For more on this, ask about
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>the gmp debacle on gnu.misc.discuss.
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RMS (if he really maintains that) and others are wrong. If anyone has
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any legal arguments that they are *not* wrong, I'd love to hear them.
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I've been looking for a topic for a paper I have to write, and a legal
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analysis of the gmp debacle would be good. However, for the paper to
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be any good, I need arguments for both sides, and so far everything
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I've found says that FSF was wrong.
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--Tim Smith
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From: tzs@u.washington.edu (Tim Smith)
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Subject: Re: Specialix driver
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Date: 27 Feb 1994 13:16:32 GMT
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Donald J. Becker <becker@super.org> wrote:
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>under the copyright. It *is* a derivative work because it required the
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>unique existing GPL code to develop it. Few readers would disagree that a
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That's not what "derivative work" means. To be a derivative work, it
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must in some form incorporate a copyrighted portion of the work it
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is alleged to a derivative work of.
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--Tim Smith
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From: rg@kirk.in-berlin.de (Achim Reckeweg)
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Subject: Problems with shared Libs
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Date: 27 Feb 1994 09:22:41 -0000
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Hi all together,
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recently I upgraded my libraries to 4.5.19 and gcc to 2.5.8. Afterwards I have
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problems with a bunch of programs which I tracked down to a problem
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probably regarding shared libs.
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As an example the xrolodex program runs without any problem with lib 4.4.4
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after upgrading it dumps core. I ran strace on it and get the following list:
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>> strace xrolodex
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uselib("/lib/ld.so") = 0
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getgid() = 100
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getegid() = 100
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stat("/etc/ld.so.cache", [dev 8 3 ino 1914 nlnks 1 ...]) = 0
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open("/etc/ld.so.cache", RDONLY, 144) = 3
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mmap(0, 899, READ, SHARED, 3, 0) = 0x40000000
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close(3) = 0
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access("/lib/libXm.so.1", 0) = 0
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uselib("/lib/libXm.so.1") = 0
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access("/lib/libXt.so.3", 0) = 0
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uselib("/lib/libXt.so.3") = 0
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access("/lib/libX11.so.3", 0) = 0
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uselib("/lib/libX11.so.3") = 0
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access("/lib/libc.so.4", 0) = 0
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uselib("/lib/libc.so.4") = 0
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munmap(0x40000000, , 899, ) = 0
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- [SIGSEGV]
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+ [SIGSEGV]
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This is the same on every program I have problems with. Then I compiled
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xrolodex as static and.... no problem anymore worked like before.
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Any clue??
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Thanks Achim
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--
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Achim Reckeweg | Ci$: 100065,37
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Berlin, Germany | email: rg@kirk.in-berlin.de
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From: Mitchum DSouza <Mitchum.Dsouza@mrc-apu.cam.ac.uk>
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Subject: Re: Alpha release of message catalog command and functions
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Date: 27 Feb 1994 08:50:56 -0500
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Reply-To: Mitchum.Dsouza@mrc-apu.cam.ac.uk
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John F. Haugh II says:
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| I've been wanting to add National Language Support to Shadow for some
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| time now but there is no freely redistributable NLS package that I am
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| aware of. I found some stuff in an old hacked up ELM directory, but
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| it didn't look to be complete. This isn't what I'd call "complete",
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| but it's better than anything I've found. And it includes a sample
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| message catalog for the three commands that are included.
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.....[shar file deleted].......
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You should have consulted before you started this. NLS has been implemented
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and integrated into libc ever since libc-4.4.4. It seems you have wasted you
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time somewhat.
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It is based on the ELM version - which is incidentally freely distributed -
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and I have sent my patches to make it even faster back to the author.
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The integration is complete now with full support for LC_MESSAGES in
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setlocale() and quite a few people are using it with Polish/German/French
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system messages already translated. At the moment only a few applications
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use it (ELM being one) and it seemed a good idea to make it catalog compatible
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with already existing applications. I have posted a more simple application
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to sunsite.unc.edu (hostid.tar.gz) which has NLS support to help people
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along.
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If someone had the time it would be wonderful if the all the GNU stuff were
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Internationalized and passed back to them as there exists very little NLS'ed
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applications, and people don't realize that support for NLS in Linux even
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exists - you for one :-)
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Mitch
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mitchum.dsouza@mrc-apu.cam.ac.uk
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